One of the great Behymer mysteries is whether Jacob, Daniel and Joel were children of John Sr, or John, Jr. There has been a lot of discussion on this list in the past on this topic. I have been in favor of John, Sr, but I now think that it was more likely, John, Jr. Here are my reasons: (1) Eve France, who married Joel Behymer died in 1839. If she were Jonathan's sister-in-law, why wouldn't she have appeared in the Nauvoo baptisms for the dead?, (2) the first of John, Jr and Barbara's children, Sophia was born in 1783. The next child on record is Catherine born in 1791, followed by Levi, Martin, Benjamin, Christina, Lydia and Elizabeth all born after 1791. That leaves a large gap between 1783 and 1791 with no children. Daniel was born circa 1785. Joel was born in 1789. Jacob's birth date was between 1780 and 1790 per the 1830 and 1840 censuses and circa 1778 per the 1850 and 1860 censuses (I tend to believe the earlier censuses were closer to the truth). These birth dates nicely fill-in the gap between 1783 and 1791. (3) Jacob, Daniel and Joel all married daughters of John France, (4) David is listed as a cousin of Jonathan Behymer. This is likely the David who died in 1818, leaving an estate in Clermont. I believe he is also a likely son of John, Jr, yet another child potentially born in the 1783 to 1791 timeframe. Now looking at the birth dates of the children of John, Sr, once Jacob, Daniel and Joel are removed, we find the following: (1) only one child, John, Jr, was born to his first wife, Sophia, (2) 8 years or so passes before John, Sr marries his second wife, Anne. They have Samuel, Elizabeth, Joseph, Anne and Nathaniel all within a relatively close period of time. (3) Anne dies and more time passes whereupon John, Sr marries Elizabeth Rinker and has Solomon (maybe), Enoch and Jonathan, (4) the point is that being married 3 times, the large gaps between the childrens' birth dates makes since, but with John, Jr who only married once (to Barbara Weddle), you would expect the childrens' birth dates to be closely spaced. I welcome comments on this theory... If you all think it is the more likely scenario, I will post an updated descendancy narrative to my web page reflecting this change. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com