In a message dated 99-04-18 11:42:38 EDT, you write: << (6) It appears to me that Deanna's Lula E b. 1869 and Ellen b. 1871 may in fact be one and the same person, i.e. Lula Ellen as only Ellen shows up on the 1880 census - comments? >> Lula E. and Ellen are one in the same. My habit is when writing down records is to write it exactly as it's written. That's why in my descendancy the 1880 census was copied as it was written. Lula E. came from Montgomery Co. Vital records. Deanna