Deb & Dave, Thanks on the information you set forth Feb 13 re Michael Weddle. Calvin Weddle and I have worked several years on this, my finding his information on Benjamin Weddel, brother to Barbara Weddle Becklehymer/Behymer. I have maintained that we had the wrong Michael due to the land warrant dated 1739.May.29. I could not believe he could not gotten over here before he obtained that warrant. I am now forwarding a copy of research done by Calvin Weddle in Germany. I will try to type it exactly as he received it, and later forwarded a photocopy to me. ============================================================ Letter from Dr. Martin Jordan, of Heidelberg, Germany. ============================================================ Dr. Martin Jordan D 69121 Heidelberg, 19.9.1994 Klein Lobingsgasse 7 Tel. 06221-412287 Mr. Calvin Weddle 1900 E. Ocean View Ave, Unit E Norfolk, VA 23503-2555 Dr Mr. Weddle, After receiving your letter of Aug 4th, I began to dig into the Dossenheim registers of that time, helped by Mr. Fritz Reibel, Dossenheim. Firstly I regret to inform you, that of my book "Die Handschuhsheimer vor 1900" there are no more copies to get, they are all sold out. In that time the Wedels seem to have been a widespread family in Dossenheim. Hans Georg, citisan and acciser, +before 1708. He was married to Barbara NN. + 11.11.1722, 61 years old. Their children: Hans George.*16.1.1669, +1753, oo16.6.1702 Anna Margaret Popp George, conf. 1701, oo16.1.1706 Eva Katherina Schepp Elisabeth *(1671), +11.5.1740, oo 1.11.1708 Johannes Frisch Hans Michael, oo 24.1.1713 Anna Margarde Schlepp. Valentin, *(1679), + 4.11.1741, oo 22.1.1707 Kathar.Elisab. Burgemeister. ? Maria, oo 14.1.1715 Hans Michael Rimsberger ? Johannes, *(8.2.1687), + 18.2.1715 Valentin, (see above) Hans Niklas Eva Katharina, oo 23.2.1727 Bernhard Moll Hans George, (see above) Maria Barbara *5.5.1704, oo 22.1.1726 Johann George Scholl Anna Maria Gretha, *15..3.1706 oo 11.1.1729 Johannes Herdel, Hanschuhsheim Anna Katharina * Nov. 1708, oo 6.2.1731 Johann Nikolaus Casper Eva Katharina *14.4.1711 Anna Maria, *2.9.1713 Christoph. *15.6.1715 Elisabeth, *16.3.1718, +25.3.1721 (Tochterchen des Hans George Wedel") Johann Georg, *29.12.1719, oo Susanne Margrete WeiBmehl Johann Balthasar, *9.1.1722, + 21.10.1729 George and Eva Katharina Schlepp (see above) Anna Margarte, *25.2.1707 Anna Margarte, *27.1.1709, conf Whitsun 1718 * Georg Adam, *23.5.1711 Benedictus, *20.10.1713 * Johann Michael *17.12.1716 Sebastian, *7.1.1719, +24.12.1740 * Johann Peter, *21.10.1721 Eva Rosina, *11.10,1724 Anna Margarete, *9.3.1726 Valentin (s.a.) Eva Katharina, *7.1.1708 + 4.3.1746 oo 23.2.1727 Bernard Moll Johann Nikolaus, *7.5.1710, +4.3.1788, oo 29.2.1753 Anna Katharina Scholl Anna Maria, 13.1.1713, + 2.3.1771, oo Johann Nickolaus Gramm * Hans Michael, *19.3.1716 Anna Margarte, *3.7.1718 + 6.12.1782, oo K.W. Hahn Johann Valentine, *27.5.1721, + 27.9.1749 Jakob, *25.3.1725 Hans George, "the younger", oo Anna Margarete N.N. Johann Philipp, *23.12.1711, + 27.12.1735 oo bef 1735 Anna Margarete NN. Anna Maria, *18.11.1715 Elisabeth, *14.2.1718 Maria Katharina *13.10.1720 Eva Katharina, *20.2.1724 Eva Katharina, *20.1.1726 Elisabeth, *5.2.1729 Hans Michael, oo 24.1.1713 Anna Margarete schlepp, d. of the late Hans Peter Schlepp. (*1.1.1697) Maria Katharina, *2.10.1713 Martin *10.12.1715. Hans Martin, *24.4.1718, godfather Martin WeiBmehl. Hans Michael, *30.3.1721 Anna Barbara, *2.2.1725 ? Elisabeth *(19.5.1739), + 3.4.1733 *Michael, s. of Michel Wedel and Anna Maria Roscher, (1697), oo 10.1.1720 Anna Maria Roscher. Hans Ulrich, *6.7.1722 Hans Bernhard *27.2.1724 Anna Katharina, *10.1.1726 Elisabeth, *20.5.1730 Anna Margarete, *23.2.1735 (this family probably emigrated to Jutland (Denmark) Hans, oo Eva NN. Anna Maria *2.2.1720 Hans oo Maria NN Bernhard *26.11.1720 Johan Philipp, *23.12.1711, +27.12.1735, oo Anna Margarete NN Anna Maria, *1.11.1735 Johann Nikolaus, *7.5.1710, + 4.3.1788, oo 29.5.1753, Anna Margarete NN Johann Valentin, *27.7.1755, + 17.3.1797 Maria Katharina, *25.8.1759, + 10.2.1762 Anna Maria *25.10.1761, + 1.8.1764 Johann Philipp *8.4.1764, +7.11.1834 Katharina Margarete *20.7.1766 + 16.9.1833 Johann Jakob *20.9.1768 + 30.1.1844 Johannes, *1.9.1772, +17.6.1857 Maria Salome, *15.1.1776 + 2.8.1846 Anna Elisabeth *11.6.1779, +13.4.1852 I underlined the persons who might be your ancestors and marked with asterics(*) the possible emigrants in Hackers list. As you see from these excerpts the parishioner was not too exact with his notes. There are children who died without their baptism beeing registered, deaths of children often were not noted - there were so many! The Hans Martin Wedel you found in the Handschuhsheim register probably followed his brother, who died within a years time. Now the question of emigration. The Michael Wedel, listed in Hacker's emigration list, possibly tried to emigrate illegally and succeeded. Of all his family there are no deaths and marriages registered in Dossenheim with the possible exception of the youngest daughter whose filiation is doubtful. If she was his daughter, he was still in Dossenheim as late as 1733, to have her death registered there, if not, the latest registered date is 1725, prior to his request for legal emigration. What sources could you follow up on your side of the ocean? Are there shipping lists? A relative of my son in law found his ancestors gravestone with an inscription naming his home town in Germany, but that is probably a rare luck. A possible source of information could be the "Grundbucher" of Dossenheim, where sales of houses and fields were registered, but I do not know, whether they still exist, if they are at the Burgermeisteramt at Dossenheim or at the State archive at Karlsruhe. In any case, a search in them would take a lot of time (Address would be: Gemeinde- verwaltung, Rathausplatz 1, D69221 Dossenheim. Wishing that my notes will be a help to you I am, Yours truly, Dr. M. Jordan ======================================================= Please...anyone...any comments on this. Any suggestions other than to find entry to USA. I did find Georg Adam Wedel entry, but nothing other than that. He could also have gone to another country and then over here, but I would guess he landed at Philadelphia as that is where he obtained a land grant/warrant. I still believe this is the Michael that lived in York Co, PA...and the rest of the information is correct. If any of you would like a copy of the original letter, let me know and I will forward reg mail to you. Incidently Calvin was a descendant of Benjamin, and I am descended from Barbara. I am sending a copy of this to the Brethren group. Maybe they have something to add??? Sallye (Gundy) Martin 9819 Shadow Way Sunland, CA 91040-1543 email -- Sal Gundy@AOL Tel: 818-352-3097 (Calif, LA County)