John: The sons of Benjamin Beckelhyer and Jane Ferguson : 1. Peter b 6 Sept 1820 Clermont Co OH; source: Fountain Co IN Cemetery and Marriage Records. Married Manerva Webb 20 March 1842, Fountain Co IN. Died March 1852. 2. Isaiah b 3 March 1822 Clermont Co OH, married Abi Carman 7 Jan 1844, Parke Co IN; source: Parke Co IN Marriage Records. Died 29 June 1893, Akron, Colorado, buried Nother Loup, Nebraska. 3. LEVI (my line) b 7 Sept 1823, Clermont Co OH, married Lavina Coleman 7 Sept 1851, Fountain Co IN; source: Fountain Co IN Cemetery and Marriage Records, 1881 Fountain Co IN History; 1880 Census of Fountain County. Died 2 Jan 1909, Fountain Co IN. 4. Enos, no birth date listed, could be son of Benjamin and 2nd wife, Eunice Fitzpatrick, as they were married 13 Sept 1824; born in Clermont Co OH; died 27 Nov 1843 Fountain Co IN. His grave is in an old field once owned by our family; stone no longer visible. His father, Benjamin, is also buried in the same field. His tombstone is still there, although it is broken in two. I was there in December of 1998 and took photograph of stone. Deb -----Original Message----- From: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 10:46 PM Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends >Deb: > >Thanks for the info. BTW: what is the source for Isaiah and Levi's DOB? >Also, who was the third son? > >John Charles Tippet >JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > >---------- >> From: Dave & Deb Park <davepark@ptd.net> >> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends >> Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 11:23 AM >> >> John: >> >> In regards to item # 1 below: I show Isaiah, son of Benjamin, as being >born >> 3 March 1822, Clermont Co Ohio, making him the son of Jane Ferguson, not >> Eunics Fitzptrick; Jane died after sometime after giving birth to 3rd son >> Levi on 7 Sept 1923. Benjamin married Eunice 13 Sept 1924. Have copies of >> both marriage certificates. >> Deb >> >> (Benjamin is my g-g-g-grandpa. :) >> >> >> >(1) We agree that Isaiah is the son of Benjamin, but is his mother Jane >> >Ferguson or Eunice Fitzpatrick? Since he was born circa 1825, wouldn't >it >> >be more likely that Benjamin's second wife, Eunice, was his mother, >since >> >Benjamin and Eunice were married in 1824? >> > >> >> >> ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >> Picklesimer website: Jeff's Genealogy >> http://users.vnet.net/jwjones/gen/ >> Thanks, Jeff! >> > > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >Behymer webpage: BillyBob's Genealogy Homepage >http://members.iglou.com/wbehymer/ >Thanks, BillyBob! > >

Just a few thoughts on Enoch. Several months ago I posted my theory that the Sally Behymer who is enumerated in the 1820 census for Preble County, OH, was, in fact, Sarah Kinsey who married Enoch Behymer. The point of this followup is that she had 3 male children enumerated with her at that time, 2 in the 0-10 age group and 1 in the 10-16 age group. Sarah later married Abraham Stoner on 22 Mar 1822 in Preble County, OH. This is to encourage other researchers to do more research (census records, etc) on Abraham and Sarah. Did the 3 male sons change their name to Stoner or did they go by Behymer? Also, in the diary written by Aaron Sargeant Behymer, he said that some of the descendants of Enos (one and the same as Enoch?) lived in St Louis and worked for the Globe Democrat. Could these be the sons of Sarah Kinsey and Enoch Behymer? Lastly, this adds two more unaccounted for males born in the crucial 1810 to 1820 timeframe, the same as Chapman, Jesse and Martin. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Sallye: That's great that you found George Washington Behymer, son of Martin. What is the source for your information? BTW: that shoots down my theory re: Martin b. circa 1818 being Martin, Jr, the son of Martin and Lucinda. Back to the drawing board for me! That doesn't bother me, however, in that it gets us just that much closer to the truth, and this dialogue is exactly what I hoped would occur from my original posting. Regards... John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 7:19 PM > > In a message dated 5/2/99 4:17:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > johndoetippet@csi.com writes: > > John T. > Will answer what I can on these. > << > In preparation for the next update of my web page, I have been entering and > reviewing all the data I have on the descendants of the John Beckelshymer, > III who married Anna Henry, the progenitor of a large contingent of Fulton > County, IL Behymers. John Beckelshymer, III, you may recall is the likely > son of the John Beckelhymer who married Barbara Weddle and who died in > Clermont County, OH in 1812. Barbara Weddle may or may not be John, III's > mother, however, as it is possible that John, Jr may have married prior to > his marriage to Barbara. > > The following Behymers are those for whom parents have not been established > (this is my 10 most wanted list!): > > (1) Chapman Behymer, b. circa 1811 in OH > (2) Jesse Beckelhymer, b. circa 1818 in OH > (3) Aaron Behymer, b. 14 Oct 1813 in OH > (4) Isaiah Beckelhymer, b. circa 1825 in OH > Isaiah was son of Levi, who was a son of Benjamin & Jane > Ferguson - in Fountain, IN. > (5) John Beckelhymer, b. circa 1831 (age calculated from marriage to > Margaret E Holmes in Fulton County, IL on 15 Nov 1852) > (6) Latitia Beckelhymer, b. circa 1830 (age calculated from marriage to > William P Cass in Fulton County, IL on 1 Apr 1850) > (7) Henry Beckelshymer, b. circa 1832 (age calculated from marriage to > Sarah Allenbaugh in Fulton County, IL on 16 Feb 1854) > can't be Henry, son of John and Anna.... Henry, son of John and > Anna marr 2) Nancy Jane Statz, by JP, on Sep 23, 1858 and then > died shortly after that. Mary Johnson Behymer said they had a > two month son at the time of Henry's death. > (8) Elizabeth Becklehymer, b. circa 1829 (age calculated from marriage to > Reuben Hurt in Fulton County, IL on 1 Feb 1849) > (9) Martin Behymer, b. circa 1818 (age calculated from marriage to Caroline > Cummings in Lawrence County, IN on 22 Sep 1839) > (10) Catherine Behymer, b. circa 1819 (age calculated from marriage to Noah > M Matheney in Lawrence County, IN on 4 Jul 1839) > Hezekiah Beckelshymer was living with Catherine & Noah Matheny > in 1850 census of Fulton Co, IL ..... > Still doesn't tell us who Catherine belonged to. > >> > So, we have the following: > Chapman, c1811 OH > Jesse c1818 OH > Aaron - Oct 1813 - OH > Latitia b 1830 > Henry b. c1832 > Elizabeth c1829 > Martin c1818 > Catherine 1819 > > Chapman, Jesse, Aaron could be brothers--sons of ? > Martin, could be son of Martin > > I suggest we do more census reports on > 1. William P Cass - 1850 or 1860 > 2. Reuben Hurt - 1850 or 1860 > 3. Martin Behymer 1840-1850-1860 > 4. Catherine & Noah Matheny - 1860 > > I do not believe that John L Beckelshymer was a son of John and > Barbara. None of their children except Benjamin, follows John & > Barbara's family. As you know, I do not think we have enough to > even guess about. > > Don't forget, we have a few more to add to the above list. > 1. Esther Behymer, an heir of Barbara, marr James John in Clermont > Co., OH, and they went to Spencer IN. She named one of her children > after Martin. > 2. A Lucy Beckelhymer marr a William Williamson in Fountain > Co. IN. > 3. I believe there was a Thomas in Fountain Co, IN also. > > I have to remind you, I am of the old school...facts.facts.facts. is > what we need. The best breakthru was material you got on > Jonathon...and I really appreciated that. > > Martin and Lucy had a son: > 1. George Washington Behymer > b. Sep 8, 1817 > d. Sep 9, 1905 Macon, MO > lived in Gentry MO in 1850 and Knox, MO in 1860. > m. Cynthia Wait (probably in KY) > > This is new information I have found. George was named after > one the Beagles in Campbell Co, KY. The Wait/Waite was one of > the original member of 4th Brethren Church in the early 1800's. > > Campbell Co Gen. Soc. couldn't tell me very much, nothing that > would help me, so am going to try Kenton Library. They have > always been a good help. > > Sallye > ' > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Behymer webpage: BillyBob's Genealogy Homepage > http://members.iglou.com/wbehymer/ > Thanks, BillyBob! >

Deb: Thanks for the info. BTW: what is the source for Isaiah and Levi's DOB? Also, who was the third son? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Dave & Deb Park <davepark@ptd.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 11:23 AM > > John: > > In regards to item # 1 below: I show Isaiah, son of Benjamin, as being born > 3 March 1822, Clermont Co Ohio, making him the son of Jane Ferguson, not > Eunics Fitzptrick; Jane died after sometime after giving birth to 3rd son > Levi on 7 Sept 1923. Benjamin married Eunice 13 Sept 1924. Have copies of > both marriage certificates. > Deb > > (Benjamin is my g-g-g-grandpa. :) > > > >(1) We agree that Isaiah is the son of Benjamin, but is his mother Jane > >Ferguson or Eunice Fitzpatrick? Since he was born circa 1825, wouldn't it > >be more likely that Benjamin's second wife, Eunice, was his mother, since > >Benjamin and Eunice were married in 1824? > > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Picklesimer website: Jeff's Genealogy > http://users.vnet.net/jwjones/gen/ > Thanks, Jeff! >

Sallye: Thanks for the show of support!! John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: FULTON, IL > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 9:28 AM > > Cliff, > A brief note to tell you I have photocopied the material that Mary Johnson > Behymer put together on the "JOHN L AND ANN BECKELHYMER" group > and put it in the mail yesterday. > > I think she did a good job, inserting proof where she found it. > > Any way, look at it, and let me know what you think. > John T. found this. I may argue with him, but he has worked > very hard on this job that no one else wanted. Thank you John T... > I may disagree and argue with you, but I admire you.... > > The only thing Mary Behymer didn't do, was know or find out, who the > father of John L was, nor who was the father of Jesse. What a shame. > > Sallye > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Behymer website: The Gerald Behymer Family Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/h/Gerald-I-Behymer/index.html > Thanks, Gerald! >

John P.: I don't know if it was intended, but the disparaging tone of: "Several years ago I was a lot like John T." offends me, the implication being that I am making assumptions with no basis for them. It also sounds like you live on a higher plane than the rest of us mere mortals. I have clearly stated what was behind my reasoning, and indicated my desire to get into a dialogue on my hypotheses. I feel that this promotes getting at the truth of the thing to at least express one's opinion. I think Tom Robison hit it right on the mark in that educated guesses are OK so long as the basis for them are clearly explained. I suggest that you continue to "cease to participate" until you have more constructive comments to make. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: JPick323@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Wednesday, May 05, 1999 4:22 AM > > In a message dated 5/5/99 12:08:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SalGundy@aol.com > writes: > > > Discussion is great, John, but what happened to our cohorts? You guys > > put in your two cents also but I am sure you males will stick together!!! > > > Most of you that have been members of this research group know that I for one > do not made assumptions. Several years ago I was a lot like John T. and > would look at the evidence and assume that something was "true". On one of > those great trips, I spent five years barking up the wrong tree. The > information that I obtained was not a total waste in that I later found a > connection with this family with my eastern Kentucky branch of the > Picklesimers. I now must have proof beyond a doubt before I will put > something into my database as being fact. > > With the beginning of this group going off on "I think" tangents, I ceased to > participate. I do not like to get into discussion/arguments regarding family > lineage. It is or it ain't! > > I have monitored the activity of this group and have remained silent waiting > on the light to come on! I now see a glimmer of hope! > > John P. > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Check this out: The Picklesimers of Eastern Kentucky > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/i/c/John-W-Picklesimer/index.html > Thanks, John! >

Tom: Here here!!! I couldn't have said it better. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Loose Ends & evidence > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:52 PM > > Regarding facts, evidence, etc: > > I've always been of the opinion that you can put anything in your data you > want, as long as you characterize it properly, i.e., if you have > circumstantial evidence of an event, state that it is circumstantial but > offer as much supportive evidence as you can. Use statements such as "Most > records claim John was born in Timbuktu, but one record [citation here] > states he was found in a cabbage patch". Or say "We think John was found in > a cabbage patch, but we have only one source for this data, which has not > been confirmed". > > I see no reason to exclude suppositions, even W.A. guesses, from your data, > as long as it is clear to the reader 100 years from now that these ARE > suppositions and guesses. > > Genealogists should never assume anything, but you have to assume that > someone in the future is going to read your data. Don't deny the future > genealogist the benefit of your intuition. If you have a "gut" feeling > about something, record it! 100 years from now your W.A. guesses may be all > the reader has to go on. > > Just my $0.02, and now, once again, I'm broke. > > Tom > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > "Those who will not learn from the past > are condemned to relive it." > George Santayana > > > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Related website: Behymer Genealogy Group > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3927/ > Thanks, Jen! >

Sallye: Thanks for the offer, but I already have a copy of Isaiah Ferguson's will. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:07 PM > > John, > Another thing, Isaiah Ferguson was the father of Jane Ferguson and he > named his grandchildren in his will. Will dig out my records and send to > you. > > Sallye > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Picklesimer webpage: Shawna's Genealogy Page > http://www.concentric.net/~shahall/ > Thanks, Shawna! >

Sallye: I agree with you on the improbability of John and Anna going all the way back to Philadelphia to get married. I have seen this "fact" reported in several different places, but have seen no sources offered to substantiate it. Can anyone help here? In a similar vein, I have seen John, III's middle name/initial reported as L/Leonard. What is the source for this information? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:05 PM > > John.....and the rest of you Behymer researchers..... > Must tell you, you sound just like a man. One thing I agree, they > were most likely from the Clermont Co Behymers. In my mind, I still > think that John, Jr would more have named his children as Chapman, > Jesse, Aaron, ie, Chapman, a bro-in-law; Jesse, a bro-in-law, Aaron..?; > Catherine - sister; Benjamin - brother, Sophia - sister...on and on. As for > John L. (most likely Leonard) could have been from Billy Bob's Daniel > group in Campbell Co. John L's children went back and forth with OH and > or KY, for place of birth. Why on earth would John L and Anna Henry have > been living in VA and gone back to Philadelphia to get married? My > friend Maxine Wade was one of the old time researchers on both Behymer > and Henry families. Unfortunely, she is not alive today, but when we > found this information on an Ann Henry, she was adament that there was > no Ann Henry...course that does not mean there couldn't have been. But > why Philadelphia ... I wonder? > > I will go into this more later. I had to get up at 6:00 this morning and take > a friend to the hospital, and have to take her back tomorrow, and by this > time I am about ready to fall in bed hoping to fire up my batteries again > for tomorrow. > > Discussion is great, John, but what happened to our coharts? You guys > put in your two cents also but I am sure you males will stick together!!! > > > Sallye..born in Colorado...but with the mentality of a Missourian... > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer >

John, In answer to your email of the 4th.... Here is your answer to one question. Esther Behymer marr James John Sep 13, 1832 by Wm. Robb MG Esther Behymer and James John was named heir for Barbara (Weddle) Behymer. Deed Book K2-page 320, dated Mar 21, 1835. James John and Esther John, heirs to estate of Barbara Behymer, sold to Benjamin B'hymer of Fountain Co, IN; (re 158 acres of Barbara's husband, John). NOTE: Esther Behymer was thought to be dau of John and Barbara Weddle Behymer, but its more likely she was a granddaughter. She is one of young females that was with Barbara in 1830 census. When Esther marr James they moved to Spencer, IN (about 1854). James John was grandson of Barthlolomew and Rachel (Wood) Gaskins of VA and James John, Rev. Soldier, who went to Clermont Co, OH in 1796. JAMES's parents were Thomas and Sarah (Witham) John. Because of Esther's birth, I believe it is more reasonable that she was a granddaughter of John and Barbara, but do not know who her father was... could have been 1) John Jr 2) Levi 3) Martin. Esther was born Nov 26, 1812 in Clermont, OH. She died Nov 5, 1877 in Newtonville, Spencer, In and buried in New Hope Baptist Cem. She was not the same person as the wife of Levi. Levi marr Esther Franz Nov 23, 1812 by Stephen Lindsay, JP (1-32). Esther Franz Behymer marr John Gray Mar 2, 1820 by Wm Robb MG Reb Baptist (1-137)...Esther Franz Behyme was age 43 at 2nd marr, making her born about 1777. Would estimate Levi was about the same age. If Esther Behymer Johns was their daughter, she was born a couple days after Levi's marr to Esther Franz...Not impossible, but illogical. Esther Franz and Esther Behymer are two different people. Esther Behymer couldn't be Martin's daughter. His first marriage was to Lucinda Beagle on Dec 5, 1816. Esther could have been daughter of John, Jr...since I don't feel we have found the right John for this family. Esther and James John had: 1. Thomas L. John b. 3-31-1836 OH.Clermont 2. Mary Ann John, b. 2-2-1838 d. 10-12-1840 OH.Clermont 3. Benjamin B. John b. 1-7-1840 OH.Clermont 4. Alonzo A. John b. 1-9-1841 OH.Clermont 5. Lorenzo Dow John b. 3-21-1844 OH.Clermont 6. Martin Taylor John b. 8-22-1846 OH.Clermont 7. Emily Alice John b. 12-18-1849 OH.Clermont ...Thomas, Benjamin, Alonzo and Martin in civil war. Hope this clears up the question on Esther. Sallye

John: In regards to item # 1 below: I show Isaiah, son of Benjamin, as being born 3 March 1822, Clermont Co Ohio, making him the son of Jane Ferguson, not Eunics Fitzptrick; Jane died after sometime after giving birth to 3rd son Levi on 7 Sept 1923. Benjamin married Eunice 13 Sept 1924. Have copies of both marriage certificates. Deb (Benjamin is my g-g-g-grandpa. :) >(1) We agree that Isaiah is the son of Benjamin, but is his mother Jane >Ferguson or Eunice Fitzpatrick? Since he was born circa 1825, wouldn't it >be more likely that Benjamin's second wife, Eunice, was his mother, since >Benjamin and Eunice were married in 1824? >

Sallye, Were you going to send this will by snail-mail or e-mail it to John? I would like a copy - or email version. Thank you! Rob SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > John, > Another thing, Isaiah Ferguson was the father of Jane Ferguson and he > named his grandchildren in his will. Will dig out my records and send to > you. > > Sallye > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Picklesimer webpage: Shawna's Genealogy Page > http://www.concentric.net/~shahall/ > Thanks, Shawna!

Sally, Can you please quote the source and info for birth of Isaiah! Do we have anything more firm as a source for Levi's son Isaiah being born in 1860 other than the 1870 Indiana/Fountain census? Thank you, Rob SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > John, > I am not thinking very clearly tonight! Isaiah was born Mar 3, 1822, > (son of Benjamin and Jane Ferguson) and Isaiah son of Levi (who was > another son of Benjamin & Jane) was born 1860. Will still send a copy > of Ferguson's will. > > Sallye > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Picklesimer website: Jeff's Genealogy > http://users.vnet.net/jwjones/gen/ > Thanks, Jeff!

Cliff, A brief note to tell you I have photocopied the material that Mary Johnson Behymer put together on the "JOHN L AND ANN BECKELHYMER" group and put it in the mail yesterday. I think she did a good job, inserting proof where she found it. Any way, look at it, and let me know what you think. John T. found this. I may argue with him, but he has worked very hard on this job that no one else wanted. Thank you John T... I may disagree and argue with you, but I admire you.... The only thing Mary Behymer didn't do, was know or find out, who the father of John L was, nor who was the father of Jesse. What a shame. Sallye

In a message dated 5/5/99 12:08:44 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SalGundy@aol.com writes: > Discussion is great, John, but what happened to our cohorts? You guys > put in your two cents also but I am sure you males will stick together!!! > Most of you that have been members of this research group know that I for one do not made assumptions. Several years ago I was a lot like John T. and would look at the evidence and assume that something was "true". On one of those great trips, I spent five years barking up the wrong tree. The information that I obtained was not a total waste in that I later found a connection with this family with my eastern Kentucky branch of the Picklesimers. I now must have proof beyond a doubt before I will put something into my database as being fact. With the beginning of this group going off on "I think" tangents, I ceased to participate. I do not like to get into discussion/arguments regarding family lineage. It is or it ain't! I have monitored the activity of this group and have remained silent waiting on the light to come on! I now see a glimmer of hope! John P.

Regarding facts, evidence, etc: I've always been of the opinion that you can put anything in your data you want, as long as you characterize it properly, i.e., if you have circumstantial evidence of an event, state that it is circumstantial but offer as much supportive evidence as you can. Use statements such as "Most records claim John was born in Timbuktu, but one record [citation here] states he was found in a cabbage patch". Or say "We think John was found in a cabbage patch, but we have only one source for this data, which has not been confirmed". I see no reason to exclude suppositions, even W.A. guesses, from your data, as long as it is clear to the reader 100 years from now that these ARE suppositions and guesses. Genealogists should never assume anything, but you have to assume that someone in the future is going to read your data. Don't deny the future genealogist the benefit of your intuition. If you have a "gut" feeling about something, record it! 100 years from now your W.A. guesses may be all the reader has to go on. Just my $0.02, and now, once again, I'm broke. Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com "Those who will not learn from the past are condemned to relive it." George Santayana

Sallye: I agree that what is needed are facts, facts, facts, however, I think you and I have a fundamental philosophical difference as to what establishes a fact. IMHO a fact is established by either direct or circumstantial evidence, somewhat akin to the way a jury establishes the facts in a court of law. While it would be nice to have a direct piece of evidence to establish a particular fact, that is oftentimes not possible in genealogical research (or in a court of law for that matter), and so, of necessity, one must resort to all the circumstantial evidence, in addition to any direct evidence that may also be available. The subscribers to this list represent a jury of sorts, so if anyone is really out in left field with a particular theory, then they should hear about it. I have attempted to establish who the parents of the top 10 might be through a process of elimination. I believe the use of this circumstantial evidence, is entirely fair game. While, I am on shaky grounds as to whether David, Levi or Martin is the father of 1, 2, 3 or 9 below, I believe that it is highly likely that one (or more) of them is. If not them, who else is there? Regardless of whether we agree or disagree on this point, I think the dialogue on this topic is what is important, and encourage others on this list who have an opinion to participate. In any event, on my next web page update, I plan on posting disclaimers regarding any assumptions I have made, so that the unwary, will not be led astray. In addition, I hope that this will motivate others to do further research in the areas of contention. Now, my interpretation of your response: (1) We agree that Isaiah is the son of Benjamin, but is his mother Jane Ferguson or Eunice Fitzpatrick? Since he was born circa 1825, wouldn't it be more likely that Benjamin's second wife, Eunice, was his mother, since Benjamin and Eunice were married in 1824? (2) How is it that you know that Henry was married only two times. What's to say he wasn't married a third time, in between Elizabeth Meyers and Nancy Jane Statz? (3) I wasn't aware that Noah Matheny and Catherine were enumerated in the census for Fulton County. That is a welcome new piece of data for me. (4) I agree that more research needs to be done (census reports, etc.) as you indicated. That was one of the reasons I posted my theory, to motivate the discussion, and to point other people's research in the right direction. (5) I don't agree that John, III (who married Anna Henry) is not the son of John, Jr. If not him, then who else do you have in mind? He was certainly in OH in the right time frame, although only for a short period of time. I think she was also from the same VA Henry line as Rebecca Henry who married Michael France, the granddaugher of Abraham Beckelhymer, Sr. (6) Regarding Esther Behymer who married James John in Clermont County, OH: I have this as Esther France's third marriage, first to Levi, second to John Gray, and third to James John. Do you agree? (7) Your information on George Washington Behymer, son of Martin, is also new welcome information. Now, I will end my reply by pointing out a few inconsistencies in my original posting: (1) If Chapman were born circa 1811, then that may have been a little too early for him to have been a son of Levi and Esther, since they were married in 1812. Chapman's birth date is based on his age as recorded in the 1850 census for Fulton County, IL, which I have not seen. Comments? (2) Elizabeth (Briney) Behymer, wife of Andrew, shows up in the 1860 census for Fulton County, IL living with her son, Hezekiah. If she were married to Reuben Hurt, why was her surname enumerated as Behymer? Comments on this greatly encouraged... John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com P.S. Why don't we hear from some of the other longtime researchers such as Rob Dupuy? ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fulton County Behymer Loose Ends > Date: Monday, May 03, 1999 7:19 PM > > In a message dated 5/2/99 4:17:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > johndoetippet@csi.com writes: > > John T. > Will answer what I can on these. > << > In preparation for the next update of my web page, I have been entering and > reviewing all the data I have on the descendants of the John Beckelshymer, > III who married Anna Henry, the progenitor of a large contingent of Fulton > County, IL Behymers. John Beckelshymer, III, you may recall is the likely > son of the John Beckelhymer who married Barbara Weddle and who died in > Clermont County, OH in 1812. Barbara Weddle may or may not be John, III's > mother, however, as it is possible that John, Jr may have married prior to > his marriage to Barbara. > > The following Behymers are those for whom parents have not been established > (this is my 10 most wanted list!): > > (1) Chapman Behymer, b. circa 1811 in OH > (2) Jesse Beckelhymer, b. circa 1818 in OH > (3) Aaron Behymer, b. 14 Oct 1813 in OH > (4) Isaiah Beckelhymer, b. circa 1825 in OH > Isaiah was son of Levi, who was a son of Benjamin & Jane > Ferguson - in Fountain, IN. > (5) John Beckelhymer, b. circa 1831 (age calculated from marriage to > Margaret E Holmes in Fulton County, IL on 15 Nov 1852) > (6) Latitia Beckelhymer, b. circa 1830 (age calculated from marriage to > William P Cass in Fulton County, IL on 1 Apr 1850) > (7) Henry Beckelshymer, b. circa 1832 (age calculated from marriage to > Sarah Allenbaugh in Fulton County, IL on 16 Feb 1854) > can't be Henry, son of John and Anna.... Henry, son of John and > Anna marr 2) Nancy Jane Statz, by JP, on Sep 23, 1858 and then > died shortly after that. Mary Johnson Behymer said they had a > two month son at the time of Henry's death. > (8) Elizabeth Becklehymer, b. circa 1829 (age calculated from marriage to > Reuben Hurt in Fulton County, IL on 1 Feb 1849) > (9) Martin Behymer, b. circa 1818 (age calculated from marriage to Caroline > Cummings in Lawrence County, IN on 22 Sep 1839) > (10) Catherine Behymer, b. circa 1819 (age calculated from marriage to Noah > M Matheney in Lawrence County, IN on 4 Jul 1839) > Hezekiah Beckelshymer was living with Catherine & Noah Matheny > in 1850 census of Fulton Co, IL ..... > Still doesn't tell us who Catherine belonged to. > >> > So, we have the following: > Chapman, c1811 OH > Jesse c1818 OH > Aaron - Oct 1813 - OH > Latitia b 1830 > Henry b. c1832 > Elizabeth c1829 > Martin c1818 > Catherine 1819 > > Chapman, Jesse, Aaron could be brothers--sons of ? > Martin, could be son of Martin > > I suggest we do more census reports on > 1. William P Cass - 1850 or 1860 > 2. Reuben Hurt - 1850 or 1860 > 3. Martin Behymer 1840-1850-1860 > 4. Catherine & Noah Matheny - 1860 > > I do not believe that John L Beckelshymer was a son of John and > Barbara. None of their children except Benjamin, follows John & > Barbara's family. As you know, I do not think we have enough to > even guess about. > > Don't forget, we have a few more to add to the above list. > 1. Esther Behymer, an heir of Barbara, marr James John in Clermont > Co., OH, and they went to Spencer IN. She named one of her children > after Martin. > 2. A Lucy Beckelhymer marr a William Williamson in Fountain > Co. IN. > 3. I believe there was a Thomas in Fountain Co, IN also. > > I have to remind you, I am of the old school...facts.facts.facts. is > what we need. The best breakthru was material you got on > Jonathon...and I really appreciated that. > > Martin and Lucy had a son: > 1. George Washington Behymer > b. Sep 8, 1817 > d. Sep 9, 1905 Macon, MO > lived in Gentry MO in 1850 and Knox, MO in 1860. > m. Cynthia Wait (probably in KY) > > This is new information I have found. George was named after > one the Beagles in Campbell Co, KY. The Wait/Waite was one of > the original member of 4th Brethren Church in the early 1800's. > > Campbell Co Gen. Soc. couldn't tell me very much, nothing that > would help me, so am going to try Kenton Library. They have > always been a good help. > > Sallye > ' > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Behymer webpage: BillyBob's Genealogy Homepage > http://members.iglou.com/wbehymer/ > Thanks, BillyBob! >

In a message dated 99-05-05 00:08:44 EDT, you write: << Discussion is great, John, but what happened to our coharts? You guys put in your two cents also but I am sure you males will stick together!!! Sallye..born in Colorado...but with the mentality of a Missourian... >> Everybody on this list: You have to LOVE Sallye!!! She's got that down home kind of methodical logic, I just love her! Christine Rose gave a lecture to our Sonoma County Genealogical Group a couple of years ago and she discussed circumstantial evidence and in so many words said, determining the facts from circumstantial evidence is fine so long as it's overwhelming and convincing circumstantial evidence. So I'll leave you with that. Deanna

John, I am not thinking very clearly tonight! Isaiah was born Mar 3, 1822, (son of Benjamin and Jane Ferguson) and Isaiah son of Levi (who was another son of Benjamin & Jane) was born 1860. Will still send a copy of Ferguson's will. Sallye

John, Another thing, Isaiah Ferguson was the father of Jane Ferguson and he named his grandchildren in his will. Will dig out my records and send to you. Sallye