Sharon, I read your communication with interest. I have many thousand Behymers .... but can't clearly identify the folks you mention. Can you provide more specifics on George W. Behymer and Mary Bell Vaughn? Is Vaugh her maiden name? Do you have birth/marriage/death information on them? How many children and what do you know of birth/marriage/death infor on the kids? Thank you for taking time to respond to my request. I am anxiously awaiting your response. I will try to connect what you send to what I might already know and will send you what I can add. Rob Mike1228@aol.com wrote: > > What is the name of the book you are referring to. > I am new. I am a Great G.Dau. of George W. Behymer and wife Mary Bell > Vaughn. I come through their dau. Mary Jane Behymer of Owsley Co. Kentucky > who md. a Kimber Morris and 2nd. to Gilbert Miller. > > Sharon > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Check this out: The Picklesimers of Eastern Kentucky > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/i/c/John-W-Picklesimer/index.html > Thanks, John!

John: Could you possibly send me copies of these pages you reference here? Would appreciate it very much. How are things going? Sounds like you are busier than a one armed paper hangar. Cliff Trimble John Tippet wrote: > Sharon: > > This book, written by Edith Beach Sipple, is long out of print. It > contains, for the most part, descendancy narratives on Aaron and James > Beckelhymer of Washington and Monroe townships. They are thought to have > been the children of Jacob, Jr, son of Abraham, Sr. I have copies of a few > selected pages from this book, but not the whole thing. I could send them > to you if you like. > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike1228@aol.com <Mike1228@aol.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Fwd: {not a subscriber} Lewis Behymer/Jane Gaskins/Phoebe > Ward] > > >Does anyone know how I can obtain a copy of a book on Becklehymer called > Deep > >Roots. > > > >Sharon > > > > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > >What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > >name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > >Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer > > > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Behymer website: The Gerald Behymer Family Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/h/Gerald-I-Behymer/index.html > Thanks, Gerald!

Thank you for your offer. I found a copy and am going to copy a few pages. Thank you everyone for your help. Sharon

Sharon: This book, written by Edith Beach Sipple, is long out of print. It contains, for the most part, descendancy narratives on Aaron and James Beckelhymer of Washington and Monroe townships. They are thought to have been the children of Jacob, Jr, son of Abraham, Sr. I have copies of a few selected pages from this book, but not the whole thing. I could send them to you if you like. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: Mike1228@aol.com <Mike1228@aol.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, June 04, 1999 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Fwd: {not a subscriber} Lewis Behymer/Jane Gaskins/Phoebe Ward] >Does anyone know how I can obtain a copy of a book on Becklehymer called Deep >Roots. > >Sharon > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other >name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare >Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer > >

Try a library. Your local library can get any book, in print or out of print through it's interlibrary loan department. There may be a small cost but usually not. Good luck. I will try to look it up but we are related. My line of Martin's is from northern Kentucky. Bill

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3E7535D1E7697D9B3643C472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------3E7535D1E7697D9B3643C472 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <BEHYMER-D-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com (bl-14.rootsweb.com [204.212.38.30]) by mail.coos.or.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA28526 for <veysey@coos.or.us>; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:46 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA21862 for owner-BEHYMER@lists.rootsweb.com; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 12:28:43 -0700 (PDT) X-From_: BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com Thu Jun 3 12:28:42 1999 Message-ID: <37556C20.3B8638A2@farmwagon.com> Old-Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 12:38:40 -0500 From: Lori Johnson <ljohnson@mailcoach.farmwagon.com> Reply-To: ljohnson@mailcoach.farmwagon.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com References: <00ff01beaa3a$9158e5e0$3c34c0d8@Jtippet.sp.trw.com> <3754BD6C.99776E7A@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-Message-ID: <KmYK-B.A.JVF.pdtV3@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/1633 X-Loop: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Diagnostic: Not on the accept list Subject: {not a subscriber} Lewis Behymer/Jane Gaskins/Phoebe Ward X-Diagnostic: Mail coming from a daemon, ignored X-Envelope-To: BEHYMER-D > I have Lewis Behymer's Parents as Nathaniel Behymer b.1772 in Franklin Cnty VA. > d. Dec 19, 1860 Clermont Cnty Ohio AND Diadamia Manning b. 1789 Billerica MA d. > Feb 12, 1874 Clermont Cnty Ohio. I believe that Samuel Behymer & Mary Parvin are the parents of Lewis. Can anyone confirm either? > Lewis & Phebe's parents were Nehemiah Ward b.sept 16 1756 in Newark NJ d.1840 > Ohio & Elizabeth Crane b.1765 NJ d.1865 Ohio. Both are Buried in Ward Cemetery. > Yeah! A new name - I didn't have a maiden name for Elizabeth. Thanks. The LDS has a huge history on Nehemiah Ward and his ancestors. I was looking at the Lewis & Jane book, and saw something I hadn't noticed before. There is a descendancy chart that lists the children of Jonathan Behymer. It indicates that he had at least two wives, and that Martin, Joel & Solomon are the half brothers to Nathaniel, David, Anna, Jacob and Samuel. I had not seen the half brother indication. Lori --------------3E7535D1E7697D9B3643C472--

Does anyone know how I can obtain a copy of a book on Becklehymer called Deep Roots. Sharon

What is the name of the book you are referring to. I am new. I am a Great G.Dau. of George W. Behymer and wife Mary Bell Vaughn. I come through their dau. Mary Jane Behymer of Owsley Co. Kentucky who md. a Kimber Morris and 2nd. to Gilbert Miller. Sharon

< Is your line available somewhere on the web so that I could look at it? It might keep me from going off on tangents.> Bev, My Behymer page (which is sadly in need of updating) is at http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/4360/behymer.html . ---Susan

Susan, Thanks for enlightening me on this. Is your line available somewhere on the web so that I could look at it? It might keep me from going off on tangents. The notes I have on the cemetery are from the DAR and it states that many stones are buried too deep to read. Do you know if the situation is still the same? I am going to query the Clermont county group to see if there is more current info. bev SUSAN L DEBRUNNER wrote: > -snip- > <1. infant dau. of E. & Eve B'hymer d. 9-11-1844; aet.1 yr. 18 d. > > 2.Huldah Behymer b. 9-13-1845 d.1-11-18-- (stone broken) dua. of Elias & > E. > Behymer.> > > Bev, > > The two stones you found at the Ward cemetary are both for daughters of > Elias and Eve (Plackard) Behymer. The infant daughter was Susan Behymer. > And there is much discussion about the actual date of death for Huldah > Behymer; too bad the stone was broken!! (Elias and Eve are my > g-g-grandparents). > > ---Susan in TN > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer

-snip- <1. infant dau. of E. & Eve B'hymer d. 9-11-1844; aet.1 yr. 18 d. 2.Huldah Behymer b. 9-13-1845 d.1-11-18-- (stone broken) dua. of Elias & E. Behymer.> Bev, The two stones you found at the Ward cemetary are both for daughters of Elias and Eve (Plackard) Behymer. The infant daughter was Susan Behymer. And there is much discussion about the actual date of death for Huldah Behymer; too bad the stone was broken!! (Elias and Eve are my g-g-grandparents). ---Susan in TN

John, It was Phebe's daughter, Jane Gaskins, who married Lewis Behymer. The info on her family is the original part of this e-mail, and is more complete than what I previously knew. They were married Aug 29, 1840. I have Lewis Behymer's Parents as Nathaniel Behymer b.1772 in Franklin Cnty VA. d. Dec 19, 1860 Clermont Cnty Ohio AND Diadamia Manning b. 1789 Billerica MA d. Feb 12, 1874 Clermont Cnty Ohio. Being new at the SEARCH, I must emphasize that this information is peripheral to MY main lines and can site sources but have not verified them. Lewis & Phebe's parents were Nehemiah Ward b.sept 16 1756 in Newark NJ d.1840 Ohio & Elizabeth Crane b.1765 NJ d.1865 Ohio. Both are Buried in Ward Cemetery. I am in the process right now of examining the records of the Ward Cemetery in Pleasant Hill, Clermont County. This cemetery is located on land originally owned by Elijah Ward(brother to Phebe and Lewis). While I have not yet cross checked the WARDS in the Cemetery, I did find two B'hymer entries. 1. infant dau. of E. & Eve B'hymer d. 9-11-1844; aet.1 yr. 18 d. 2.Huldah Behymer b. 9-13-1845 d.1-11-18-- (stone broken) dua. of Elias & E. Behymer. I also found a Thos Behymer listed in the 1856 Cincinnati Directory as a blk smth on Front & Walnut. Let me restate my interest. Christina Ward married Charles Penn 1858 in Cincinnati. Christina Wards parents were Elijah Ward (son of Lewis Ward and nephew of Elijah Ward) & Cassandra Behymer. Charles Penn and Cassandra Behymer are solid DEAD ends right now so I am turning over stones in Clermont and Hamilton Counties in OHIO, trying to find relevant information for 1800-1850. bev I hope this is coherent. I just got home from a week in Washinton DC and am trying to catch up. John Tippet wrote: > Bev: > > Which daughter of Phoebe's married Lewis Behymer. When were they married? > Also, who were Lewis Behymer's parents? Lastly, do you know who were the > parents of Phoebe and Lewis Ward? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bev elmshauser <belmshauser@uswest.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, May 06, 1999 6:27 PM > Subject: Re: ESTHER BEHYMER & JAMES JOHN > > >Hi My name is Bev Elmshauser, I'm very new to the Behymer hunt and > searching for the > >family of Cassandra Behymer. She was born @1810 in Ohio. She Married > Elijah Ward > >1829 in Anderson Township, Hamilton County Ohio. Anderson Township is > adjacent to > >Clermont County. Elijah Wards father was Lewis Ward. Lewis Ward is a > brother of > >Pheobe Ward who's daughter married Lewis Behymer. I can't help but believe > >Cassandra Behymer somehow fits into the same family line as Lewis Behymer. > > > > bev > > > > > >Lori Johnson wrote: > > > >> Sallye - > >> > >> I hope you can help me. Is the Bartholomew Gaskins you listed the same > as mine? > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Lori > >> > >> SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > >> > >> > James John was grandson of Barthlolomew and Rachel (Wood) Gaskins of > >> > VA and James John, Rev. Soldier, who went to Clermont Co, OH in 1796. > >> > JAMES's parents were Thomas and Sarah (Witham) John. > >> > > >> > >> 1 Bartholmew Gaskins > >> d: in Gallia County, Ohio > >> ...... 2 Thomas Gaskins > >> b: October 17, 1795 in Virginia > >> d: November 07, 1858 in Pierce, Clermont County, Ohio > >> .......... +Phoebe Ward > >> b: November 12, 1785 in Newark, Essex, New Jersey > >> m: June 03, 1819 in Clermont County, Ohio > >> d: April 11, 1861 in Amelia, Clermont County, Ohio > >> .............. 3 Jane Gaskins > >> b: 1824 in Withamsville, Claremont Co, Ohio > >> d: 1892 in Wayne County, Illinois > >> .................. +Lewis Behymer > >> b: 1823 in Clermont County, Ohio > >> m: August 29, 1840 in Clermont County, Ohio > >> d: December 27, 1891 in Edward County, Illinois > >> .............. 3 Cyrus Gaskins, M.D. b: February 21, 1820 > >> .............. 3 John Gaskins, M.D. b: February 15, 1824 > >> .............. 3 William Gaskins b: February 24, 1826 > >> .............. 3 Susan Gaskins b: 1829 > >> .............. 3 Hettie Gaskins b: 1823 > >> .............. 3 Sylvester Gaskins b: 1828 > >> > >> ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > >> Picklesimer webpage: Shawna's Genealogy Page > >> http://www.concentric.net/~shahall/ > >> Thanks, Shawna! > > > > > > > > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > >Behymer website: Susan's Place > >http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/4360 > >Thanks, Susan! > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Check this out: The Picklesimers of Eastern Kentucky > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/i/c/John-W-Picklesimer/index.html > Thanks, John!

Deanna: Please be specific. What do you view as fact Vs fiction? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: HolmHogs@aol.com <HolmHogs@aol.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:57 PM Subject: Re: Sallye's comments >John, >Sallye made a good point. Seperate the fact from the fiction and conjecture. >Deanna > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >THE GIANT OF BECKLEHYMER RESEARCH: The Tippet Home Page >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet/ >Many, many thanks, John! > >

Rick: Regarding comment 1): The only reason that all of the sources haven't been included at this point is that this is a work in progress. I felt that it was more important to get the information out there first. I still have man-months more work ahead of me to just finish documenting some of the other lines (through Nathaniel, Samuel, Joseph, etc.). Once this is done, I plan on going back to insert the missing source references. Regarding comment 2): Please be specific. I have added disclaimers where I thought appropriate on the web page. I would be happy to add others to make sections of it clearer. BTW: it is not that I am in a hurry to resolve conflicting data, rather, to point out these conflicts, so as to guide other researchers on where more work needs to be done. Also, in the interest of my time, it is much easier for me to tie everyone together in the database (with appropriate disclaimers) as I can automatically generate the descendancy narrative using my genealogy software program. I don't think many of the members of this mailing list appreciate how much of my time I have put into this project (I know Sallye does, however). Regarding comment 3): Correct me if I am wrong, Sallye, but I do not believe that the data you have provided me, that I have added to my web page, was done so without your permission. I also don't believe that your E-mail was intended to send the message that I had plagiarized your work, without giving you due credit. If it was, then I would be happy to add a list of acknowledgements, however. Back when I suggested that we have a repository of information on the web, you whole-heartedly agreed that that was a good idea. Regarding comment 4): As long as we keep to a discussion of genealogy and don't personalize the discussion, I don't think any of us will steer too far astray. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: Rick Phillips <Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 8:10 PM Subject: Re: Ethics and Plagiarism >I want to also respond with my opinion on this subject. I read the >article on "Restoring Ethics in Genealogy" that Sallye referenced. I >agree with it. I do think we have to be very careful about how to >interpret information on a website and how to present research on one. >Here are some thoughts: > >1. John has been more diligent than 95% of genealogy webpage authors by >adding sources to much of the data presented. It is an important >example for all of us to follow. I applaud him for this. > >2. John, I do think that you seem occasionally in a hurry to resolve >genealogical quandries. I agree with others that it is best to separate >fact or strong-evidence from speculation ON THE WEBPAGE, and be a bit >more cautious. However, I think your speculations are very helpful on >the mailing list and can be quite refreshing. I can't tell you how many >times I have made legitimate breakthroughs over the years by rethinking >things from new perspectives. > >3. I believe that we should give great respect for the primary source >research contributions that John, Sallye, John P. and all the others >have shared on this mailing list. This requires that we only use the >information as it was intended by the sender, and that we give credit >for it. > >4. Finally, let's all remember that we all share the same goal, to find >our common roots. We each contribute to that goal in our own way with >our own styles and gifts. This has been a very hard-working group with >significant years of research behind it. I hope that we continue to keep >one another in check if we are too extreme, but that we also continue to >work and talk together in the spirit of our common goal. This doesn't >have to be so stressful, it should be fun! As far as I can surmise, we >are nearly all related to each other (Lets continue to find out how). > >Rick Phillips > > > >>SalGundy@aol.com wrote: >> >> John T and Behymer group >> >> <A HREF="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9904news/ethics.htm.en">Click here: >> Restoring Ethics to Genealogy >> </A> >> >> After reading the above Article in the Net, I feel we are doing a >> great injustice to our website on the Beckelhymers. I know I >> have gone over this before and I know you will not like what I >> say about this, but remember, I do have my principals and for >> what it is worth, I have to state what I think. >> >> I would like to make a suggestion, which might solve your >> wanting to put all the Behymers, including the ones we >> don't know who their parents are, on the same site, but >> separate. You can then give in their report as to who >> you think they belong to when you type up a separate sheet >> for them, and indicate there is not proof at this present time. >> You would then be able to keep them in the same website as >> Johan Yeri Becktelhymer, better known as Johan Becktelhymer, >> the elder. >> >> As for Johan George Becktel, on the ship Mortonhouse - I >> have to remind you that the Mennoiute group claim him as >> a Becktel. (not a Becktelhymer). This should be checked >> out. Matter of fact, I will check with the German Association >> in Burbank, and see if they can come up with anything. >> >> Now, everyone, if I am still giving you the same repeated >> reminder, as I have often done, and you wish.....I will retreat >> from the group. I don't want a confrontation, but I also >> don't want people added to John and Barbara's family without >> proof. This is my family, and apparently I am the only one working >> on it. >> >> This reminds me of a skit I ran across.... >> >> If GH can stand for P as in Hiccough >> If OUGH stands for O as in Dough >> If PHTH stands for T as in Phthsis >> If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour >> If TTE stands for T as in Gazette >> If EAU stands for O as in Plateau >> /// Then the right way to spell Potato should be >> GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. >> >> Do you think this would stand up in a Court of Law >> being a logical conclusion? >> >> Sorry, John, you may feel like telling me off, but I >> thought the website was for all of us, and this time >> I cannot stand back and watch you take all the >> information I sent you and make conclusions at/or >> when you want to. >> >> Sallye >> >> >> >> ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >> Behymer website: The Gerald Behymer Family Home Page >> http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/h/Gerald-I-Behymer/index.html >> Thanks, Gerald! > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other >name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare >Behymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimer, Hymer, Buclehymer > >

Kathy: I agree with you that genealogy should not be fiction. Rather than talk in generalities, however, I think it would be best to talk specifics. If there is a "bone of contention" regarding a particular issue, let's get it out on the table so we can all discuss it. Specifically, what particular conclusion or piece of data do you take issue with? This is the main reason I recommended more than a year ago of having a database of information on the Internet which, with inputs from this mailing list, would eventually evolve into the generally accepted version of this family's history. Except for a few isolated cases, however, there has been paltry little discussion from this list pointing out errors in dates, relationships, etc. I wish this were not the case. I am anxious to participate in a dialogue of the issues. This would be much more beneficial to everyone than an abstract discussion of philosophical differences. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com -----Original Message----- From: Kathy Friend <friendlm@trianglenet.net> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 6:32 PM Subject: Sallye's comments >Hi Behymer cousins, > >I have been silent on this mailing list for quite a while. But, at this >time, I feel as Member ># 3 of the beginning group, I should voice my opinion. I wholehardly >agree with Sallye. >How can it be called family history if it isn't KNOWN to be fact? I >have done family research for years and many times have come to a >stand-still because I didn't have proof of month., year, wife, son, >etc...... > >The meaning of the word fiction is= anything made up or imagined, as a >statement, story, >etc. Please, let's not have fiction. Let's have facts. Let's not >imagine or suppose or guess >about any of the Behymer family history. Let's research until we find >the necessary >documents. > >Sallye, you have contributed a lot to this group. I just want to let >you know that I agree >with you. > > >Kathy Graham Friend > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >Related website: Behymer Genealogy Group >http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/3927/ >Thanks, Jen! > >

I want to also respond with my opinion on this subject. I read the article on "Restoring Ethics in Genealogy" that Sallye referenced. I agree with it. I do think we have to be very careful about how to interpret information on a website and how to present research on one. Here are some thoughts: 1. John has been more diligent than 95% of genealogy webpage authors by adding sources to much of the data presented. It is an important example for all of us to follow. I applaud him for this. 2. John, I do think that you seem occasionally in a hurry to resolve genealogical quandries. I agree with others that it is best to separate fact or strong-evidence from speculation ON THE WEBPAGE, and be a bit more cautious. However, I think your speculations are very helpful on the mailing list and can be quite refreshing. I can't tell you how many times I have made legitimate breakthroughs over the years by rethinking things from new perspectives. 3. I believe that we should give great respect for the primary source research contributions that John, Sallye, John P. and all the others have shared on this mailing list. This requires that we only use the information as it was intended by the sender, and that we give credit for it. 4. Finally, let's all remember that we all share the same goal, to find our common roots. We each contribute to that goal in our own way with our own styles and gifts. This has been a very hard-working group with significant years of research behind it. I hope that we continue to keep one another in check if we are too extreme, but that we also continue to work and talk together in the spirit of our common goal. This doesn't have to be so stressful, it should be fun! As far as I can surmise, we are nearly all related to each other (Lets continue to find out how). Rick Phillips >SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > John T and Behymer group > > <A HREF="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9904news/ethics.htm.en">Click here: > Restoring Ethics to Genealogy > </A> > > After reading the above Article in the Net, I feel we are doing a > great injustice to our website on the Beckelhymers. I know I > have gone over this before and I know you will not like what I > say about this, but remember, I do have my principals and for > what it is worth, I have to state what I think. > > I would like to make a suggestion, which might solve your > wanting to put all the Behymers, including the ones we > don't know who their parents are, on the same site, but > separate. You can then give in their report as to who > you think they belong to when you type up a separate sheet > for them, and indicate there is not proof at this present time. > You would then be able to keep them in the same website as > Johan Yeri Becktelhymer, better known as Johan Becktelhymer, > the elder. > > As for Johan George Becktel, on the ship Mortonhouse - I > have to remind you that the Mennoiute group claim him as > a Becktel. (not a Becktelhymer). This should be checked > out. Matter of fact, I will check with the German Association > in Burbank, and see if they can come up with anything. > > Now, everyone, if I am still giving you the same repeated > reminder, as I have often done, and you wish.....I will retreat > from the group. I don't want a confrontation, but I also > don't want people added to John and Barbara's family without > proof. This is my family, and apparently I am the only one working > on it. > > This reminds me of a skit I ran across.... > > If GH can stand for P as in Hiccough > If OUGH stands for O as in Dough > If PHTH stands for T as in Phthsis > If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour > If TTE stands for T as in Gazette > If EAU stands for O as in Plateau > /// Then the right way to spell Potato should be > GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. > > Do you think this would stand up in a Court of Law > being a logical conclusion? > > Sorry, John, you may feel like telling me off, but I > thought the website was for all of us, and this time > I cannot stand back and watch you take all the > information I sent you and make conclusions at/or > when you want to. > > Sallye > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > Behymer website: The Gerald Behymer Family Home Page > http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/e/h/Gerald-I-Behymer/index.html > Thanks, Gerald!

Hi Behymer cousins, I have been silent on this mailing list for quite a while. But, at this time, I feel as Member # 3 of the beginning group, I should voice my opinion. I wholehardly agree with Sallye. How can it be called family history if it isn't KNOWN to be fact? I have done family research for years and many times have come to a stand-still because I didn't have proof of month., year, wife, son, etc...... The meaning of the word fiction is= anything made up or imagined, as a statement, story, etc. Please, let's not have fiction. Let's have facts. Let's not imagine or suppose or guess about any of the Behymer family history. Let's research until we find the necessary documents. Sallye, you have contributed a lot to this group. I just want to let you know that I agree with you. Kathy Graham Friend

In a message dated 99-06-02 00:10:10 EDT, you write: << Please be specific. What do you view as fact Vs fiction? >> John, Trying to tie various members of say Sallye's family together with no proof. Sallye had a good suggestion to me earlier and that is on those lines that are proven and established beyond a reasonable doubt keep those in one section. The other that you don't know for sure, keep them together so there's no confusion between the two. I'll let Sallye answer that one cause it was her suggestion and I like it. Sallye? Deanna

John, Sallye made a good point. Seperate the fact from the fiction and conjecture. Deanna

John T and Behymer group <A HREF="http://www.iigs.org/newsletter/9904news/ethics.htm.en">Click here: Restoring Ethics to Genealogy </A> After reading the above Article in the Net, I feel we are doing a great injustice to our website on the Beckelhymers. I know I have gone over this before and I know you will not like what I say about this, but remember, I do have my principals and for what it is worth, I have to state what I think. I would like to make a suggestion, which might solve your wanting to put all the Behymers, including the ones we don't know who their parents are, on the same site, but separate. You can then give in their report as to who you think they belong to when you type up a separate sheet for them, and indicate there is not proof at this present time. You would then be able to keep them in the same website as Johan Yeri Becktelhymer, better known as Johan Becktelhymer, the elder. As for Johan George Becktel, on the ship Mortonhouse - I have to remind you that the Mennoiute group claim him as a Becktel. (not a Becktelhymer). This should be checked out. Matter of fact, I will check with the German Association in Burbank, and see if they can come up with anything. Now, everyone, if I am still giving you the same repeated reminder, as I have often done, and you wish.....I will retreat from the group. I don't want a confrontation, but I also don't want people added to John and Barbara's family without proof. This is my family, and apparently I am the only one working on it. This reminds me of a skit I ran across.... If GH can stand for P as in Hiccough If OUGH stands for O as in Dough If PHTH stands for T as in Phthsis If EIGH stands for A as in Neighbour If TTE stands for T as in Gazette If EAU stands for O as in Plateau /// Then the right way to spell Potato should be GHOUGHPHTHEIGHTTEEAU. Do you think this would stand up in a Court of Law being a logical conclusion? Sorry, John, you may feel like telling me off, but I thought the website was for all of us, and this time I cannot stand back and watch you take all the information I sent you and make conclusions at/or when you want to. Sallye