Rick: I view the idea of having the web page as the single repository for the currently accepted version of the Behymer genealogy, rather than distributing multiple versions over the mailing list. Of course, the initial posting will have many errors and/or omissions (I'm far from perfect). My idea is to solicit comments re what needs to be changed or annotated and then to post a new version after sufficient inputs have been received. Little by little we would arrive at something that all would agree upon (I hope). I like your suggestion of posting only the first 3 generations from Elder John and soliciting comments, however. That way I can continue to enter new data into TMG, which is mostly for the later generations, anyway, without affecting what is under evaluation and validation by the Behymer list. By limiting the initial posting to the first 3 generations, we would also limit the amout of "misinformation" that is posted to the net. Under the scrutiny (microscope?) of the researchers on this list, I doubt that any misinformation would be allowed to last for very long anyway <grin>. Once the first 3 generations have been validated, I could then post the genealogy though the fourth generation, and we could start the validation process all over again for the additional generation. I hope to post the initial release this weekend. Stay tuned. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

I am surprised that I have received so few comments from this group regarding my little contribution. Did it not make it to the list because of the server crash, or is the information contained in my analysis so obvious to everyone else on this list as to be noncontroversial? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Rick: I view the idea of having the web page as the single repository for the currently accepted version of the Behymer genealogy, rather than distributing multiple versions over the mailing list. Of course, the initial posting will have many errors and/or omissions (I'm far from perfect). My idea is to solicit comments re what needs to be changed or annotated and then to post a new version after sufficient inputs have been received. Little by little we would arrive at something that all would agree upon (I hope). I like your suggestion of posting only the first 3 generations from Elder John and soliciting comments, however. That way I can continue to enter new data into TMG, which is mostly for the later generations, anyway, without affecting what is under evaluation and validation by the Behymer list. By limiting the initial posting to the first 3 generations, we would also limit the amout of "misinformation" that is posted to the net. Under the scrutiny (microscope?) of the researchers on this list, I doubt that any misinformation would be allowed to last for very long anyway <grin>. Once the first 3 generations have been validated, I could then post the genealogy though the fourth generation, and we could start the validation process all over again for the additional generation. I hope to post the initial release this weekend. Stay tuned. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Rick Phillips <Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: New Behymer Web Page > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 1998 10:11 PM > > John, I think it would be a good idea to post the basic data [that you > might publish on a new web-page] here on the mailing list so we all can > examine it for errors and contribute source materials, if needed. This > would hasten getting an accurate webpage out there, and prevent further > evolution of erroneous assumptions, etc. The first 3 generations or so > would probably be managable at first. > > Thats my two cents worth. I think the concept is a great one! > > Rick Phillips > edwin-p@worldnet.att.net > > > > > > John Tippet wrote: > > > > John: > > > > I was thinking along similar lines as you. In my version, I was also going > > to give priority to correcting mistakes, clarifying assumptions, educated > > guesses, etc, as opposed to adding new material (I am not sure that a > > 1-month verification period is sufficient to reach a concensus on the > > initial release of data). However, in addition, I have a stack of new > > material about 5 inches thick that I have yet to enter into the database > > (along with references). While the list is evaluating the initial release, > > I thought, perhaps naively, that I would have time to input some of this > > material that is in the queue. If I wait to enter all of the new material, > > then it would delay posting of the initial release to the web, however, it > > would be more complete. As I post updates, it will also be difficult to > > keep track of what has changed if I am simultaneously responding to the > > verification process, as well as adding new material. > > > > At this point, I have a working knowledge of html programming (just enough > > to be dangerous) and could probably post the initial release (warts and > > all) as early as this week (or on the weekend). It will also include a > > list of references, which I have found a way to have automatically > > generated with The Master Genealogist, the program I use to keep track of > > everything. > > > > I would be interested in hearing from others on the Behymer list as to how > > they would like me to proceed. Should I publish now, warts and all, or > > wait? Should I delay adding new material to the database until all of the > > verification comments on the initial release have been addressed? (in this > > case I would put my 5" stack of new material on hold). Or would you rather > > I continue to incrementally add the new data that I have, and withhold the > > verification process until some appropriate point in time? > > > > John Charles Tippet > > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com >

In a message dated 98-09-16 21:19:16 EDT, you write: << By limiting the initial posting to the first 3 generations, we would also limit the amout of "misinformation" that is posted to the net. >> Excellant idea! Deanna

John, I believe the item that John Beckelshammer married Margarget is incorrect. Margaret was his daughter. Sallye Marrtin gave me the correct wife's name, if she could send that in again I'd appreciate it. Deanna

I sent this to the list Saturday, but, it didn't go through. I assume because the list was down--here it is again. I was able to talk with my aunt, daughter of Charles BEHYMER and she provided me with more information about the children of William W. and Matilda "Tillie" (MARTIN) BEHYMER. The longer we talked, the more names and dates she remembered! Most names were on the Daniel side, but a few were Behymers. William and Tillie were married in Campbell Co., KY in 1880 and resided in Clermont Co. where their children were born. Matilda died on 12-27-1895, then the children were all sent to live with other families. Unknown when or where William died and where either of them is buried. The only children I have gotten info on are: 1. Bertha b. 7-20-1881 d. 12-20-1896 2. Maning b. 2-19-1884 3. Frederick Lee b. 4-28-1888 d. Apr. 1963 4. Annie b. 9-4-1891 d. possibly 1-30-1901 I have not been able to confirm that this is same person (listed Annie of birth records, dau. of William and Tillie Martin Behymer--death record I have lists Anna as boarder of John Knalb, but, no record of parents, unless someone has the death certificate itself with that info.) 5. Neomi or Nomie b. 11-1893 d. ? 6. Charles Russell b. 12-26-1895 d. 10-23-1978 (my grandfather) My aunt remembers at leat 3 other children. I have asked for info about them on this list in the past, but, haven't been able to find anything on them. My aunt has a picture of a Ralph BEHYMER (not sure if related) who she said "looks just like Charles Russell, especially the way he held his hands." She felt, with the strong resemblence, he almost has to be related. Here's what my aunt remembers of the other 3 children of William and Matilda BEHYMER: 1. Mamie--my aunt has a picture of her that was taken at Glen Este School in Clermont Co. in 1893. She said Mamie looked about 12 or 13 and her brother Lee (Fred. L.), who was also in the photo, looked about 7 or 8. He would have been 5 according to birthdate. 2. Edith--b. ? Married Ross Daniel, (believed to be Wilbert R. DANIEL), son of William and Nancy Nartin (not related to Tillie that I know of) DANIEL of Campbell Co., KY. My grandfather Charles Russell married Ross' sister, Adele May DANIEL. Ross and Edith Daniel had children Forrest, Kenneth, Ralph and Mildred. I now have more work to do no the Daniel side. I found 4 Edith Daniels on the SSDI that were born between 1886 and 1894. Not sure if one of these could possibly be her, will figure it out in time. 3. Rachel--believed to have burned to death. 2 of Wm. & Tillies dau. were said to have died from burns. Wonder if that's what happened to Bertha. Do these names ring a bell with anyone? Linda

John, I think it would be a good idea to post the basic data [that you might publish on a new web-page] here on the mailing list so we all can examine it for errors and contribute source materials, if needed. This would hasten getting an accurate webpage out there, and prevent further evolution of erroneous assumptions, etc. The first 3 generations or so would probably be managable at first. Thats my two cents worth. I think the concept is a great one! Rick Phillips edwin-p@worldnet.att.net John Tippet wrote: > > John: > > I was thinking along similar lines as you. In my version, I was also going > to give priority to correcting mistakes, clarifying assumptions, educated > guesses, etc, as opposed to adding new material (I am not sure that a > 1-month verification period is sufficient to reach a concensus on the > initial release of data). However, in addition, I have a stack of new > material about 5 inches thick that I have yet to enter into the database > (along with references). While the list is evaluating the initial release, > I thought, perhaps naively, that I would have time to input some of this > material that is in the queue. If I wait to enter all of the new material, > then it would delay posting of the initial release to the web, however, it > would be more complete. As I post updates, it will also be difficult to > keep track of what has changed if I am simultaneously responding to the > verification process, as well as adding new material. > > At this point, I have a working knowledge of html programming (just enough > to be dangerous) and could probably post the initial release (warts and > all) as early as this week (or on the weekend). It will also include a > list of references, which I have found a way to have automatically > generated with The Master Genealogist, the program I use to keep track of > everything. > > I would be interested in hearing from others on the Behymer list as to how > they would like me to proceed. Should I publish now, warts and all, or > wait? Should I delay adding new material to the database until all of the > verification comments on the initial release have been addressed? (in this > case I would put my 5" stack of new material on hold). Or would you rather > I continue to incrementally add the new data that I have, and withhold the > verification process until some appropriate point in time? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

John: I was thinking along similar lines as you. In my version, I was also going to give priority to correcting mistakes, clarifying assumptions, educated guesses, etc, as opposed to adding new material (I am not sure that a 1-month verification period is sufficient to reach a concensus on the initial release of data). However, in addition, I have a stack of new material about 5 inches thick that I have yet to enter into the database (along with references). While the list is evaluating the initial release, I thought, perhaps naively, that I would have time to input some of this material that is in the queue. If I wait to enter all of the new material, then it would delay posting of the initial release to the web, however, it would be more complete. As I post updates, it will also be difficult to keep track of what has changed if I am simultaneously responding to the verification process, as well as adding new material. At this point, I have a working knowledge of html programming (just enough to be dangerous) and could probably post the initial release (warts and all) as early as this week (or on the weekend). It will also include a list of references, which I have found a way to have automatically generated with The Master Genealogist, the program I use to keep track of everything. I would be interested in hearing from others on the Behymer list as to how they would like me to proceed. Should I publish now, warts and all, or wait? Should I delay adding new material to the database until all of the verification comments on the initial release have been addressed? (in this case I would put my 5" stack of new material on hold). Or would you rather I continue to incrementally add the new data that I have, and withhold the verification process until some appropriate point in time? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

I am re-posting this message I sent to John Pickelsimer and the Behymer list due to the rootsweb crash. His response has already been posted to the Behymer list. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com John: I certainly don't claim to be an authority on the Southern Ohio and Northern Kentucky branch of the family either, however, I think I have enough information gathered over the years to get the ball rolling. Certainly, Rob Dupuy and Sallye Gundy have a lot more information than I. As far as my database being accurate and up-to-date, it is as far in that direction as I have been able to take it. Some of the information that has come to me over the Internet, however, is unverified, and I am sure there are places where I have made assumptions or deductions that are in error. By posting this one master copy we should be able to clean up the obvious errors, and at least annotate where key, unverified (or educated guesses) have been made. I see a bit of a catch 22 in your response to my proposal in that the magnitude of the task at hand will not allow me to have wrung out any and all verification issues prior to posting the initial version of the Behymer genealogy to the Internet. If an error-free initial version is what is expected, then I can't provide that. What I can provide is a reasonable attempt in that direction, which, over time, with a lot of inputs from this list, might evolve into something of that kind. What I am contemplating is a 5 generation descendancy narrative starting with Elder Johan George Behymer (BTW, most of the information for the first couple of generations comes from notes that you compiled and the book that you co-wrote with the other John Pickelsimer). John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: JPick323@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: A Proposal > Date: Friday, September 11, 1998 7:27 AM > > In a message dated 9/11/98 9:28:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > johndoetippet@csi.com writes: > > > To start with, I would include the Clermont County (and early Virginia) > > branches of the Behymer family, as the Eastern Kentucky branch has already > > been quite well documented by John & John Pickelsimer. By Clermont County > > branch, I also mean Campbell County, KY, IN and IL, etc. as well. > > Eventually, I would hope that Jennifer Black would add a pointer from the > > Behymer web page to the Behymer genealogy that I would post, however, I > > haven't heard from her in quite some time, and don't know what's happened > > to her. > John, > I agree that there should be a method of verification on information that has > been gathered on the Picklesimer/Bechtelheimer/Behymer etc. family of northern > Kentucky and southern Ohio. If we take an approach that lets one database be > the master copy then that establishes a point for everyone to focus on. Make > sure that the information contained there is up-to-date and accurate. > > I have not taken part in the discussions relating to this branch of the family > in that I am not an authority (if there is such an animal) on this branch. I > do not consider myself as an authority on my branch of the family. The only > thing that I will admit to is that I have a large amount of information on the > family and can access it very quickly for verification. > > Just recently I received input that would have established another leg to my > branch of the family but due to my insistence on having documented proof, we > found that someone had made an error in their research a few years ago and the > individual that attempting to followup was using this as gospel. It took me > almost two months to find sufficient evidence as proof of a wrong assumption > beeing made. Time that was well worth the effort in that my information could > have been incomplete and this individual was right. The point being, one > should not add information to their database until they are sure that it is > correct. The only exceptions that I make to this is the receipt of > information from family members regarding present generations and their OWN > family information. Lacking the ability to do verification on a lot of this > is the problem. > > Just my 2 cents worth! > > By the way, I have posted my genealogical information on the eastern Kentucky > branch of the family on Family Tree Makers web site. > <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/i/c/John-W- > Picklesimer/index.html">Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: Picklesimers</A> > This link will put you there if you wish to take a look at the information. > > John Walter Picklesimer >

Rob: Sorry to nail Tom Robison again, but I have the marriage as 16 Jan 1847 (place not listed) per an E-mail I received from Tom on 16 Jun 1998. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Robert Dupuy <DoopweRC@concentric.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: BEHYMER. WEBB > Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 8:11 PM > > Sal, > I don't know the origin of all of this message but I have a problem > with the marriage of John H. Morgan and Nancy Behymer. The > 1835 marriage is recorded in Campbell Kentucky: > > *1795-1850 KY CAMPBELL/ 976.394 V28w MARRIAGES > P.145 MORGAN, JOHN H. & NANCY B.HYMEN 15OCT1835, BY PHILIP SPILMAN, BOND > BY EDWARD SIMONS. > > *1795-1915 KY CAMPBELL/ MARRIAGE INDEX (FN529408) NANCY BHYMER M: JOHN > H. MORGAN IN 1835 > > Can anyone supply the reference for the marriage of Nancy Behymer and > John F. Morgan in Clermont on 30Jan1847??? > Rob > > SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary > > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > Tom, > > You will have to blame me for this question. I am a nosey old gal. > > > > 1. HISTORY OF MADISON CO, IN: by John L. Fork, Pg 698, Vol 1. > > stated children of Solomon and Mary as 1) SAMUEL 2) JOHN 3) LUCY BROWN, > > 4) WILLIAM and 5) JOSEPH. > > > > 2. Lucy Behymer marr Thomas Brown Oct 30, 1834 by Absalom Manker, JP. Lucy > > was shown to be in the 1850 Pleasant twsp, Fulton IL, > > Lucy Brown 38-VA (1812-1813); husband not here. > > Chd. Mary ! 15-OH; Sarah J 13-IL; Julia 11-IL; William 9-IL. > > > > Lucy married 2) John France (son of Miachel & Rebecca (Henry) France) in > > Fulton, IL...do not know date. > > > > I would assume Lucy was a daughter, wish I could remember who wrote the > > art > > icle in History of Madison, would need to check out the book again. She > > would > > be the female shown as 1810-1815..... > > > > 2. Solomon and Mary Webb marriage. > > I was wondering about this, as for many years a group of us ried to > > find the actual marriage date, and couldn't. All we found was the license > > showing Feb 1804, no return, surety Samuel Webb. I am not saying the > > marriage is not right, just where on earth it was found. > > > > 3. I have 2 Nancy Behymers > > 1. Nancy m John H Morgan Oct 14, 1835 Clermont Co, OH. Don't know who > > the parents were. > > 2. Nancy m John F. Morgan 30, 1847 Campbell Co.KY. Bondsman Jacob > > Behymer. This Jacob was the son of Daniel and Anna of Campbell Co, > > KY. > > > > It is feasable that the Nancy who marr in Clermont, OH might be dau. > > One way > > to find out is to trace this family until a death cert could be > > ascertained, > > or check the marriage application in Clermont. > > > > 4. Solomon stated in his will, that he left all real and personal property to > > his wife, and at her death (`which was in Sep? 1870) it was to be distributed > > between all his children, heirs, assignees. Has any one applied for this > > distribution? > > > > Last time I worked on this family was back in 1992, so it might be a new > > source to check out Mary's death and probate papers. > > > > Sorry...I caused any discomfort, Tom, didn't mean to, just a fanatic for > > proven facts. > > I will probably always ask questions as to where the sources came from. > > > > Sallye > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary > > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.adamswells.com.2> > > Content-type: message/rfc822 > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Content-disposition: inline > > > > Return-Path: <BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by > > air15.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:51:40 -0400 > > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) > > by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > > with ESMTP id AAA17618; > > Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:05:50 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05873; > > Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > > Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > > Message-Id: <l0302090ab21e4eb297ec@[206.230.124.125]> > > In-Reply-To: <199809110214.WAA29261@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:05:23 -0500 > > Old-To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > > Subject: Re: BEHYMER. WEBB > > Resent-Message-ID: <"x4nuE.A.VaB.GGK-1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> > > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/689 > > X-Loop: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > > John wrote: > > > > >My information (unverified) on Nancy being a daughter of Solomon Behymer > > >and Mary Webb as well as the exact date of marriage comes from Tom Robison > > >(tcrobi@adamswells.com). There is also a daughter born 1810 - 1815 per the > > >1830 census that I have deduced is Nancy born circa 1810 based on Tom's > > >information. Nancy Behymer married John F Morgan on 30 Jan 1847 according > > >to Tom Robison - place not indicated. > > > > Boy, it's tough defending oneself on this list... > > > > Here again, I don't have a source at hand for this information, but in this > > case, I suspect that my info came from someone else on this list... Perhaps > > Rob Dupuy? > > > > Rob, can you help me out here? They're ganging up on me!! > > > > Tom > > ducking the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... > > > > Tom Robison > > Ossian, Indiana > > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > > what happened before you took your place on earth, > > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary-- > >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_905917577_boundary Content-ID: <0_905917577@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John, My records indicate the following: 1. NANCY BEHYMER marr JOHN H MORGAN, Oct 14, 1835 in Campbell Co, KY...bondsman Jacob Behymer. Parents Un- known, but believe this Jacob as bondsman was from the Daniel and Anna Behymer family in Campbell Co, KY. (I believe Rob has bondsman as someone else, but I am sure I read the court records...but it was quite a few years ago, so don't want to put my life on the line for such a statement! 2. NANCY B.HYMER marr JOHN F MORGAN, Jan 30, 1847 in Clermont Co, OH. Parents unknown. The problem stems from their being 2 Nancys and 2 JOHN MORGAN... only the middle initial differs and marr dates. Now, eeny, meeny, miney, moe...which one was it? if at all? Have a good day folks! I Sallye --part0_905917577_boundary Content-ID: <0_905917577@inet_out.mail.csi.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <johndoetippet@csi.com> Received: from rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (rly-ya03.mail.aol.com [172.18.144.195]) by air-ya04.mx.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 23:09:44 -0400 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by rly-ya03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id WAA10732 for <salgundy@aol.com>; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:56 -0400 Sender: johndoetippet@csi.com Received: from 76361.636.compuserve.com (sf-dnpqr-233.compuserve.net [209.154.140.233]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id WAA29265; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 22:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199809160249.WAA29265@hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com> From: "John Tippet" <johndoetippet@csi.com> To: "Behymer" <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com>, "Tom Robison" <tcrobi@adamswells.com>, "Sallye Gundy" <SalGundy@aol.com>, <DoopweRC@concentric.net> Subject: Re: Fwd: BEHYMER. WEBB Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 19:38:43 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Rob: Sorry to nail Tom Robison again, but I have the marriage as 16 Jan 1847 (place not listed) per an E-mail I received from Tom on 16 Jun 1998. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Robert Dupuy <DoopweRC@concentric.net> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Fwd: BEHYMER. WEBB > Date: Sunday, September 13, 1998 8:11 PM > > Sal, > =09I don't know the origin of all of this message but I have a problem > with the marriage of John H. Morgan and Nancy Behymer. The > 1835 marriage is recorded in Campbell Kentucky: > > *1795-1850 KY CAMPBELL/ 976.394 V28w MARRIAGES > P.145 MORGAN, JOHN H. & NANCY B.HYMEN 15OCT1835, BY PHILIP SPILMAN, BOND > BY EDWARD SIMONS. > > *1795-1915 KY CAMPBELL/ MARRIAGE INDEX (FN529408) NANCY BHYMER M: JOHN > H. MORGAN IN 1835 > > Can anyone supply the reference for the marriage of Nancy Behymer and > John F. Morgan in Clermont on 30Jan1847??? > Rob > > SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary > > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII > > > > Tom, > > You will have to blame me for this question. I am a nosey old gal. > > > > 1. HISTORY OF MADISON CO, IN: by John L. Fork, Pg 698, Vol 1. > > stated children of Solomon and Mary as 1) SAMUEL 2) JOHN 3) LUCY BROWN, > > 4) WILLIAM and 5) JOSEPH. > > > > 2. Lucy Behymer marr Thomas Brown Oct 30, 1834 by Absalom Manker, JP.= Lucy > > was shown to be in the 1850 Pleasant twsp, Fulton IL, > > Lucy Brown 38-VA (1812-1813); husband not here. > > Chd. Mary ! 15-OH; Sarah J 13-IL; Julia 11-IL; William 9-IL. > > > > Lucy married 2) John France (son of Miachel & Rebecca (Henry) France) in > > Fulton, IL...do not know date. > > > > I would assume Lucy was a daughter, wish I could remember who wrote the > > art > > icle in History of Madison, would need to check out the book again. She > > would > > be the female shown as 1810-1815..... > > > > 2. Solomon and Mary Webb marriage. > > I was wondering about this, as for many years a group of us rie= d to > > find the actual marriage date, and couldn't. All we found was the license > > showing Feb 1804, no return, surety Samuel Webb. I am not saying th= e > > marriage is not right, just where on earth it was found. > > > > 3. I have 2 Nancy Behymers > > 1. Nancy m John H Morgan Oct 14, 1835 Clermont Co, OH. Don't know who > > the parents were. > > 2. Nancy m John F. Morgan 30, 1847 Campbell Co.KY. Bondsman Jacob > > Behymer. This Jacob was the son of Daniel and Anna of Campbel= l Co, > > KY. > > > > It is feasable that the Nancy who marr in Clermont, OH might be dau. > > One way > > to find out is to trace this family until a death cert could be > > ascertained, > > or check the marriage application in Clermont. > > > > 4. Solomon stated in his will, that he left all real and personal property to > > his wife, and at her death (`which was in Sep? 1870) it was to be distributed > > between all his children, heirs, assignees. Has any one applied for this > > distribution? > > > > Last time I worked on this family was back in 1992, so it might be a new > > source to check out Mary's death and probate papers. > > > > Sorry...I caused any discomfort, Tom, didn't mean to, just a fanatic for > > proven facts. > > I will probably always ask questions as to where the sources came from= .> > > > Sallye > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary > > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.adamswells.com.2> > > Content-type: message/rfc822 > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > Content-disposition: inline > > > > Return-Path: <BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com> > > Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by > > air15.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:51:4= 0 -0400 > > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) > > by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > > with ESMTP id AAA17618; > > Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:05:50 -0400 (EDT) > > Received: (from slist@localhost) > > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05873; > > Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > > Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > > Message-Id: <l0302090ab21e4eb297ec@[206.230.124.125]> > > In-Reply-To: <199809110214.WAA29261@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> > > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:05:23 -0500 > > Old-To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > > Subject: Re: BEHYMER. WEBB > > Resent-Message-ID: <"x4nuE.A.VaB.GGK-1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> > > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > Resent-From: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > X-Mailing-List: <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/689 > > X-Loop: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > Precedence: list > > Resent-Sender: BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Mime-Version: 1.0 > > Content-type: text/plain; charset=3DUS-ASCII > > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > > > John wrote: > > > > >My information (unverified) on Nancy being a daughter of Solomon Behymer > > >and Mary Webb as well as the exact date of marriage comes from Tom Robison > > >(tcrobi@adamswells.com). There is also a daughter born 1810 - 1815 per the > > >1830 census that I have deduced is Nancy born circa 1810 based on Tom's > > >information. Nancy Behymer married John F Morgan on 30 Jan 1847 according > > >to Tom Robison - place not indicated. > > > > Boy, it's tough defending oneself on this list... > > > > Here again, I don't have a source at hand for this information, but in this > > case, I suspect that my info came from someone else on this list... Perhaps > > Rob Dupuy? > > > > Rob, can you help me out here? They're ganging up on me!! > > > > Tom > > ducking the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... > > > > Tom Robison > > Ossian, Indiana > > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > > what happened before you took your place on earth, > > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > > > --part0_905493355_boundary-- > > --part0_905917577_boundary--

In a message dated 98-09-15 18:42:52 EDT, you write: << The maiden name of John, Sr's wife, Rinker >> I've seen the Surname RINKER in the the book "The Brethren in Colonial America" Edited by Donald F. Durnbaugh, The Brethren Press Pg. 177 The families belonging to the society are about Twenty whereof twent-eight persons are baptized. Thus stood things with them in 1770. In Greatswamp, Pa. ( John Frick exhor (ter) and wife, Lawrence Erboch and wife, Andrew Meinzinger, John Demud and wife, John Sleifer and wife, Henry Kun, Philip Goodman and wife, Philip Deal, Frederick Deal, John Redroch and wife, Egite Christian and wife, Lodowick Christian and wife, Jacob Staut and wife, Mary Christian, Widow: RINKER, Catherine RINKER, Widow Olinger, Widow Crayling, Freny Triffel.) Deanna

hey all, i made a change that should make you all happy with the list. If you don't have your "reply to" set (can't overwrite that) you should in the next hour or so be seeing the "reply to" going to the list instead of the sender. If yours is set to reply back to you, then it will not change. Anyway it is nice to know i have been missed. jen

guys i am online again. my new email address is: jeblack@fuse.net sorry that i haven't been in touch, too much going on in my life lately. jen Tom Robison wrote: > ><< Does anyone have her phone number? > > >> > >I don't, who lives closest to her? > >Deanna > > Jen lives in N. Kentucky, IIRC. Aren't there several folks here who live in > Clermont or Hamilton Co., Ohio? > > Tom > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

I see that the e-mail I sent to the Behymer list about 12 hours ago has not yet come back, so I can only assume that Rootsweb is still down. For those of you who hadn't heard, Rootsweb went down sometime Saturday night, and apparently still is. Bummer. I hope they've not been spammed to death like our other server was. Remember that horror? This has been sent to all the folks who were on the original "Behymer Team" before we had the mailing list. I'm sure some of the above addresses are out of date, so I'm broadcasting in the dark. Regards, Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Sal, I don't know the origin of all of this message but I have a problem with the marriage of John H. Morgan and Nancy Behymer. The 1835 marriage is recorded in Campbell Kentucky: *1795-1850 KY CAMPBELL/ 976.394 V28w MARRIAGES P.145 MORGAN, JOHN H. & NANCY B.HYMEN 15OCT1835, BY PHILIP SPILMAN, BOND BY EDWARD SIMONS. *1795-1915 KY CAMPBELL/ MARRIAGE INDEX (FN529408) NANCY BHYMER M: JOHN H. MORGAN IN 1835 Can anyone supply the reference for the marriage of Nancy Behymer and John F. Morgan in Clermont on 30Jan1847??? Rob SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_905493355_boundary > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Tom, > You will have to blame me for this question. I am a nosey old gal. > > 1. HISTORY OF MADISON CO, IN: by John L. Fork, Pg 698, Vol 1. > stated children of Solomon and Mary as 1) SAMUEL 2) JOHN 3) LUCY BROWN, > 4) WILLIAM and 5) JOSEPH. > > 2. Lucy Behymer marr Thomas Brown Oct 30, 1834 by Absalom Manker, JP. Lucy > was shown to be in the 1850 Pleasant twsp, Fulton IL, > Lucy Brown 38-VA (1812-1813); husband not here. > Chd. Mary ! 15-OH; Sarah J 13-IL; Julia 11-IL; William 9-IL. > > Lucy married 2) John France (son of Miachel & Rebecca (Henry) France) in > Fulton, IL...do not know date. > > I would assume Lucy was a daughter, wish I could remember who wrote the > art > icle in History of Madison, would need to check out the book again. She > would > be the female shown as 1810-1815..... > > 2. Solomon and Mary Webb marriage. > I was wondering about this, as for many years a group of us ried to > find the actual marriage date, and couldn't. All we found was the license > showing Feb 1804, no return, surety Samuel Webb. I am not saying the > marriage is not right, just where on earth it was found. > > 3. I have 2 Nancy Behymers > 1. Nancy m John H Morgan Oct 14, 1835 Clermont Co, OH. Don't know who > the parents were. > 2. Nancy m John F. Morgan 30, 1847 Campbell Co.KY. Bondsman Jacob > Behymer. This Jacob was the son of Daniel and Anna of Campbell Co, > KY. > > It is feasable that the Nancy who marr in Clermont, OH might be dau. > One way > to find out is to trace this family until a death cert could be > ascertained, > or check the marriage application in Clermont. > > 4. Solomon stated in his will, that he left all real and personal property to > his wife, and at her death (`which was in Sep? 1870) it was to be distributed > between all his children, heirs, assignees. Has any one applied for this > distribution? > > Last time I worked on this family was back in 1992, so it might be a new > source to check out Mary's death and probate papers. > > Sorry...I caused any discomfort, Tom, didn't mean to, just a fanatic for > proven facts. > I will probably always ask questions as to where the sources came from. > > Sallye > > --part0_905493355_boundary > Content-ID: <0_905493355@inet_out.mail.adamswells.com.2> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com> > Received: from relay26.mx.aol.com (relay26.mail.aol.com [172.31.109.26]) by > air15.mail.aol.com (v49.1) with SMTP; Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:51:40 -0400 > Received: from fp-1.rootsweb.com (fp-1.rootsweb.com [207.113.233.233]) > by relay26.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id AAA17618; > Fri, 11 Sep 1998 00:05:50 -0400 (EDT) > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by fp-1.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id VAA05873; > Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:05:28 -0700 (PDT) > Message-Id: <l0302090ab21e4eb297ec@[206.230.124.125]> > In-Reply-To: <199809110214.WAA29261@hil-img-ims-2.compuserve.com> > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 23:05:23 -0500 > Old-To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > Subject: Re: BEHYMER. WEBB > Resent-Message-ID: <"x4nuE.A.VaB.GGK-1"@fp-1.rootsweb.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/689 > X-Loop: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: BEHYMER-L-request@rootsweb.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > > John wrote: > > >My information (unverified) on Nancy being a daughter of Solomon Behymer > >and Mary Webb as well as the exact date of marriage comes from Tom Robison > >(tcrobi@adamswells.com). There is also a daughter born 1810 - 1815 per the > >1830 census that I have deduced is Nancy born circa 1810 based on Tom's > >information. Nancy Behymer married John F Morgan on 30 Jan 1847 according > >to Tom Robison - place not indicated. > > Boy, it's tough defending oneself on this list... > > Here again, I don't have a source at hand for this information, but in this > case, I suspect that my info came from someone else on this list... Perhaps > Rob Dupuy? > > Rob, can you help me out here? They're ganging up on me!! > > Tom > ducking the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune... > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > --part0_905493355_boundary--

Tom, The following is the best I can to clarify the marriage of Solomon and Mary Webb: *1786-1853 VA FRANKLIN/ MARRIAGE BONDS (SL0031523-IT.1) V.1 SOLOMON PICKLESIMER M: POLLY WEBB LIC:FEB1804, NO RETURN P77 3287 *1786-1853 VA FRANKLIN/ MARRIAGE BONDS (SL0031523-IT.1) V.1 LIC: FEB1804, NO RETURN, SURETY SAMUEL WEBB. *1786-1858 VA FRANKLIN/ MARRIAGE BONDS (SL0924473-IT.3, 975.568 V25W) SOLOMON PICKELSIMER M: POLLY WEBB, __FEB1804 Hope this is helpful! Rob Tom Robison wrote: > > Hi, all- > > I've searched through all my old records, even went to the attic to dig out > really old handwritten records I kept before the advent of the personal > confuser. > > Everywhere that I have the marriage of Solomon Behymer and Polly Webb > recorded, I have 2/2/1804. > > Alas, there is no provenance of same. > > Back in the late 1970s, when the first rumblings of genealogical interest > began to stir in my breast, I remember looking through some books of my > Grandmother. She had dabbled in the family history for a while, but never > really pursued it. (her mother was a Behymer, and thus my connection to > this list.) > > I remember copying some of her notes, and it's possible this is where I got > the date. > > (another alas: She died in 1982, and her notes and a bible that had other > info in it disappeared. Her son (my uncle) and her brother would have been > the only two folks who might have taken the stuff, but despite repeated > pleading to search again, they both insisted they've never seen it. I > suppose it got mixed in with some trash, or was sold amongst other stuff at > auction. I could just scream). > > Grandma's brother died about 6 months ago, and I've alerted his children to > keep an eye out for anything that might be related to family records. > > So, all I can say is, the date is recorded in my earliest genealogical > files, but I have no source to prove it. > > c'est la vie... > > Tom > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

(Note: I am sending this a second time, as I am not sure that the Behymer list received it the first time I sent it out) No, I don't mean Sidewalk Sally's favorite customers, I mean all of those John Behymers who show up as heads of household in the 1820, 1830 and 1840 censuses. Ever wonder which John Behymer was which? Well, I think I have the answer. It has taken me a while to sort them out, but here are my conclusions, a little contribution to the Behymer list (note: there are a few holes and some speculation, so I welcome comments, corrections, additions, etc): 1820 - Clermont County, OH John Behymer (000100/00100) This is John Abraham Behymer (son of Joseph Behymer and Christina Lazena) and his wife Margaret Short 1820 - Preble County, OH Jonathan Behymer (000010/00100) This is Jonathan Behymer (thought to be one of the 9 or more original brothers and son of John Behymer, Sr and Anne Elizabeth Rinker) and his wife, ? Note: The maiden name of John, Sr's wife, Rinker, comes from the IGI, and, as far as I no, has not been verified; her first name has variously been recorded as Anne and Elizabeth; according to John & John Pickelsimer in their book, Pickelsimers of Eastern Kentucky, they conclude that they are one and the same person, i.e., Anne Elizabeth) 1830 - Clermont County, OH John Behymer (0000100000000/0001000000000) This is John Behymer (son of Samuel Behymer and Catherine Logan) and his wife, Nancy Leach John Behymer (0200010000000/4100100000000) This is John Behymer (son of Nathaniel Behymer and Anna Magdalena ?) and his wife, Jane Meeker 2 male children 5-10 Nathaniel, William M 4 female children 0-5 Ann, Harriett J, Caroline, ? 1 female child 5-10 Charity John Behymer (1100010000000/2100100000000) This is John Abraham Behymer (son of Joseph Behymer and Christina Lazena) and his wife Margaret Short 1 Male child 0-5 Elijah 1 male child 5-10 Isaac 2 female children 0-5 ?, ? 1 female child 5-10 Mary Jonathan Behymer (0000001000000/0000001000000) This is Jonathan Behymer (thought to be one of the 9 or more original brothers and son of John Behymer, Sr and Anne Elizabeth Rinker) and his wife, ? 1830 - Lawrence County, IN John Behymer (1311201000000/1000001000000) This is John L(eonard) Behymer (probable son of John Behymer, Jr and Barbara Weddle) and his wife, Charity Ann Harger (or Anna Henry or Anna Hunter) 1 male child 0-5 Lemuel (or Samuel) 3 male children 5-10 Thomas, Alexander, ? 1 male child 10-15 Benjamin W 1 male child 15-20 Henry (or James?) 2 male children 20-30 Charles, Andrew 1 female child 0-5 Rebecca 1840 - Clermont County, OH John Behymer (3200010000000/01001) This is John Behymer (son of Samuel Behymer and Catherine Logan) and his wife, Nancy Leach 3 male children 0-5 Perry, Jerome, Lexias 2 male children 5-10 Barrington, Clarrington 1 female child 5-10 Emily John Behymer (0000100000000/1000100000000) This is John Behymer (son of Solomon Behymer and Mary Webb) and his wife, Sarah John 1 female child 0-5 Mary A John Behymer (0000100000000/0100100000000) This may be John Behymer (son of Jacob Behymer and Elizabeth France) and his wife, Martha Medaris as he is shown living next to Elias and Daniel Behymer, known sons of Jacob and Elizabeth. There should be two sons, however, one in the 0-5 (Jacob M) and one in the 5-10 category (William S) which are not listed, so this is somewhat of a speculation on my part - comments? 1 female child 5-10 ? 1840 - Fulton County, IL John Behymer (2011100100000/1101100100000) This is John L(eonard) Behymer (probable son of John Behymer, Jr and Barbara Weddle) and his wife, Charity Ann Harger (or Anna Henry or Anna Hunter) 2 male children 0-5 ?, ? (likely grandchildren) 1 male child 10-15 Lemuel (or Samuel) 1 male child 15-20 Thomas 1 male child 20-30 Alexander 1 female child 0-5 ? (likely grandchild) 1 female child 5-10 ? (likely grandchild) 1 female child 15-20 Rebecca 1 female child 20-30 Catherine 1840 - Clay County, IN John Behymer (0011001000000/2221010000000) This is John Abraham Behymer (son of Joseph Behymer and Christina Lazena) and his wife Margaret Short 1 male child 10-15 Elijah 1 male child 15-20 Isaac 2 female children 0-5 Christiana, Elizabeth 2 female children 5-10 Charlotte, Catherine 2 female children 10-15 ?, ? 1 female child 15-20 Mary

John, My statements regarding verified information was related to anything new that would be added after a base has been established. I know that we all have errors somewhere in our research and recorded information. I found a keying error in mine this weekend and have corrected the error. It is probably not the only error and some are not going to be keying errors. The development process of a master database should take some time to establish. Let me make a proposal: Post the information that you currently have so that everyone that is researching that line can view the data. Do not add any new information for a given time period (say a month), only update/correct identified errors/mistakes/etc. that we can supply proof on. At the end of the verification period, we you will then be open for additions! Those additions will be posted to the mailing list with the proof and everyone can review prior to the data being entered into the master. If there is a problem with the information, then it is not added until a resolution is made. This may appear to be a very time consuming process but we are dealing with something that we want to be as accurate as possible. Any other suggestions of a process or modification of the above should be sent to John for review as well. He is the one that is going to have to live with the RED TAPE! John W. Picklesimer for the other branch!