WAY off topic, but I can't resist... forgive me... +++++++++++++++ Rep. Dick Armey: "If this were happening to me, I would be lying on the floor in a pool of blood, and my wife would be standing over me, saying "How do I re-load this thing?" +++++++++++++++ Some woman I don't know, a friend of Linda Tripp or Monica or somesuch, said: "After reading the Starr report, it occurs to me that here is a man with too much time on his hands." +++++++++++++++ William Bennett: "Judgment is not bigotry; and tolerance may just be another term for indifference. If to make judgments of better or worse, good and bad, fit and unfit, sound and unsound, competent and incompetent is to be judgmental, then there is a need to be judgmental and there is no need to apologize for it. For a free people, the ordeal of judgment cannot be shirked." +++++++++++++++ Political cartoon: A lady is being interviewed at the door by a pollster: "About the only good thing I can see coming out of this is that my husband has given up cigars." Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Rick's email address has a dash -, not an underline _ Twila John Tippet wrote: > Rick: I keep getting undeliverable mail to your E-mail address so am > sending this message directly to the Behymer list, instead. Is there a > problem with: edwin_p@worldnet.att.net? > > Rick: > > I guess I am leaning towards removing the name Rinker until we can find > some sounder basis for its inclusion other than the IGI, but adding a note > to the descendancy narrative that idicates the fact that this > unsubstantiated fact exists in the IGI. What do others think? Does anyone > have any basis for Rinker other than the IGI - Rob, Sallye, Tom? > > I agree with you regarding Barbara (Vs Sarah A). I hadn't realized how > easily someone might have confused Sarah A with Barbara (if the stone were > difficult to read), until I read you E-mail. Both have 3 a's separated by > consonants. That's the best explanation I've heard to date. Any comments? > If others agree, we could again add a note in the descendancy narrative > explaining this apparent inconsistency. Has anyone actually found (and > read) the stone? Supposedly it is located on the hill opposite the Pierce > township cemetery. > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

If you have checked out the new Behymer home page, you will have noticed that I have attempted to list where each of the Behymers were living according to the various census records. For the most part, I have only read the census returns through 1860 (and then mostly only for Clermont County, OH). If any of you can add any of the later census returns to the database, I would be most appreciative. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Jeff: Does it list a residence, city, state, etc? If so, I could look it up on my CD ROM that lists all the telephone numbers in the US. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Jeff Becklehimer <beck@slidell.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Elizabeth Rinker > Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:37 PM > > I have a photocopy of the LDS information. It has the person who submitted > the information and list the source as: > "Membership of LDS 1830-1848" by S. Easton > > At 09:27 PM 9/21/98 -0400, you wrote: > >John... > > > >I suggest we contact LDS and find you entered "Rinker" as Elizabeth's > >maiden name..when was it entered, etc. Sometimes you can contact > >the person that entered this information. As you will/have noted that > >they entered a Jonathon as son. If it is a later entry, they have to > >prove it now, where before they used to take a lot of information without > >actual facts. I will volunteer to go to a branch office and order the > >information, but not until Thursday this week. > > > >The group I worked with years ago, finally came to the conclusion that > >Sarah's footstone was made at a later time...as they did in Clermont Co, > >OH, and was just a mistake in naming her. I have a lot of material > >on the Weddle families...and none had a Sarah. > > > >Sallye > > > Jeff Becklehimer > Slidell.Com Inc. >

Sallye: Thanks for volunteering. It is something I have been meaning to do, but just have never gotten around to. I think it is also important that we clear this up once and for all. Given the "Mormon" connection, perhaps we have a better than normal chance of getting some substantive basis for this info. (BTW: I am awaiting the 6 microfilms I ordered thru interlibrary loan for early newspapers of Clermont County in addition to updating the new Behymer web page, so I know I am going to be busy in the near future). It is nice to have another volunteer. It occured to me that it would be nice to have a few more volunteers to perhaps read through some of the other issues of the Clermont Courier and Clermont Sun newspapers (there is a small $ fee required). Are there any takers (if so, we need to coordinate our efforts)? Lastly, at some point in the not too distant future, I am sure I will be taking a trip to Washington, DC to visit my mother-in-law, and I plan on visiting the National Archives in person to find the 5 or 6 Behymer War of 1812 records that should be recorded there. I have tried (unsuccesfully) to order them through NARA, but I think that they are not too thorough in their investigative efforts! John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Elizabeth Rinker > Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:27 PM > > John... > > I suggest we contact LDS and find you entered "Rinker" as Elizabeth's > maiden name..when was it entered, etc. Sometimes you can contact > the person that entered this information. As you will/have noted that > they entered a Jonathon as son. If it is a later entry, they have to > prove it now, where before they used to take a lot of information without > actual facts. I will volunteer to go to a branch office and order the > information, but not until Thursday this week. > > The group I worked with years ago, finally came to the conclusion that > Sarah's footstone was made at a later time...as they did in Clermont Co, > OH, and was just a mistake in naming her. I have a lot of material > on the Weddle families...and none had a Sarah. > > Sallye >

I have a photocopy of the LDS information. It has the person who submitted the information and list the source as: "Membership of LDS 1830-1848" by S. Easton At 09:27 PM 9/21/98 -0400, you wrote: >John... > >I suggest we contact LDS and find you entered "Rinker" as Elizabeth's >maiden name..when was it entered, etc. Sometimes you can contact >the person that entered this information. As you will/have noted that >they entered a Jonathon as son. If it is a later entry, they have to >prove it now, where before they used to take a lot of information without >actual facts. I will volunteer to go to a branch office and order the >information, but not until Thursday this week. > >The group I worked with years ago, finally came to the conclusion that >Sarah's footstone was made at a later time...as they did in Clermont Co, >OH, and was just a mistake in naming her. I have a lot of material >on the Weddle families...and none had a Sarah. > >Sallye > Jeff Becklehimer Slidell.Com Inc.

Rick: I keep getting undeliverable mail to your E-mail address so am sending this message directly to the Behymer list, instead. Is there a problem with: edwin_p@worldnet.att.net? Rick: I guess I am leaning towards removing the name Rinker until we can find some sounder basis for its inclusion other than the IGI, but adding a note to the descendancy narrative that idicates the fact that this unsubstantiated fact exists in the IGI. What do others think? Does anyone have any basis for Rinker other than the IGI - Rob, Sallye, Tom? I agree with you regarding Barbara (Vs Sarah A). I hadn't realized how easily someone might have confused Sarah A with Barbara (if the stone were difficult to read), until I read you E-mail. Both have 3 a's separated by consonants. That's the best explanation I've heard to date. Any comments? If others agree, we could again add a note in the descendancy narrative explaining this apparent inconsistency. Has anyone actually found (and read) the stone? Supposedly it is located on the hill opposite the Pierce township cemetery. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Does anyone have an opinion on whether Enos and Enoch Behymer, supposed son(s) of John, Sr are one and the same person? There is an estate for an Enoch Behymer in Clermont County, OH circa 10 Aug 1816 with wife, Sally. However, Aaron Behymer, in his diary, mentions an Enos Behymer who lived in Clermont County for only a short time, moving west, with some of his descendants working for the Globe Democrat in St Louis. Does anyone have any data on either of these (one or two?) individuals? I notice Sallye has found a Jonathan Behymer who married in Nauvoo, IL (where Joseph Smith was murdered). Is this the same Jonathan who was found in Preble County, OH in the 1820 census and in Clermont in 1830? Does anyone have any more info on Jonathan? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

John: Your book was so thorough, I was just surprised that the marriage of David Behymer to Elizabeth Sailor wasn't mentioned. Do you have any theories on where they fit in? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: JPick323@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: David Behymer > Date: Sunday, September 20, 1998 7:24 PM > > John, > > We did not make any claim to having all of the recorded transactions relating > to the Picklesimer family members, only those that we found. I know that > there are records out there somewhere that will assist us in determining who > the parents of Abraham Adam and David were. We just have not found them > either! > > John W. >

John and....... CLERMONT CO, OH CEMETERY Book (inscriptions prior to 1900.) Private Cemetery in Pierce Township on old Nash farm State Rte 749, north side of road, high on the hill just opposite bridge over 10 mile to Pierce Twnship Cemetery. JOHN B'HYMER - d. Nov 9, 1812 - 58y2m22d (Old residents tell me the name B'Hymer was shortened from Beckelhymer)....I DON'T KNOW WROTE THIS IN THE BOOK. SARAH A. - wife of John Bhymer d. April 25, 1831, aged 67y14d MARY ANN- dau of James & esther John d. Oct 12, 1840 2y7m22d Footstones B.B. & J.B.....several field stones. NOTICE: Sarah A. could not have been this John's wife, checking the death/birth of John, as we know for a fact that Barbara was married to him before 1783... was in VA and was also in Clermont Co, OH, according to census and land transactions. My guess, is someone at a later date put up a stone and just got the wrong name.... It just doesn't make any sense otherwise. BEHYMER PRIVATE CEMETERY on Ten Mile Road, Pierce Twsp, Clermont, OH...owner now has a gift shop (1955.) MARY P. BEHYMER-dau of E & R Parvin, wife of Samuel behymer b. Mar 10, 1793 d. Sep 10, 1873 SAMUEL BEHYMER d. Nov 27, 1848 - 85y10m KATHARINE BEHYMER-wife of Samuel Bhymer b. Oct 1, 1774 d. Jul 2, 1818 (1st wife of course) JOHN BEHYMER - d. Mar 12, 1861 - 39y8m4d J.D. EPPERT - Co. A, 153 Ohio Inf ..no dates WESLEY R - son of Daniel & Nancy Behymer - b. Feb 23, 1842 d. Mar 4, 1864 NANCY BEHYMER - b. Feb 14, 1814 d. Aug 12, 1874 DANIEL BEHYMER - b. Dec 10, 1810 d. Jun 11, 1835. (some field-stones, but apparently never been marked). I believe someone wanted the Samuel info, don't remember who. John, I think you wanted to know about my John & Barbara. Who lives close to Clermont...send out a volunteer, but take a axe, saw, watch for snakes etc. A friend of mine took a picutre of Isaac Fergusons grave there, and couldn't wait to get out! Thank heavens, I didn't try that when I was there. Sallye

John... Remember, when looking for the several Behymers in the 1812...they might be listed as B.Hymer or B'hymer. I have the war papers, pension papers for Martin, so we need for Levi B'Hymer and John Behymer/Beckelhymer (remember all the various corrupted names to look at. Somewhere in my pile of papers, I have all that was under Haines in the 1812 war. You should have a copy of Martin FRS, sources, etc in a 2-3 days..as well as Jacob & Elizabeth. I have goofed off on getting them together. then I will go thru and get the rest of Clermont/Campbell Co. Sallye

John, The only Enos I know of, is son of Benjamin & Jane Ferguson. born abt 1821- OH; died 1843.Nov.27 IN.Fountain. Sallye

John... I suggest we contact LDS and find you entered "Rinker" as Elizabeth's maiden name..when was it entered, etc. Sometimes you can contact the person that entered this information. As you will/have noted that they entered a Jonathon as son. If it is a later entry, they have to prove it now, where before they used to take a lot of information without actual facts. I will volunteer to go to a branch office and order the information, but not until Thursday this week. The group I worked with years ago, finally came to the conclusion that Sarah's footstone was made at a later time...as they did in Clermont Co, OH, and was just a mistake in naming her. I have a lot of material on the Weddle families...and none had a Sarah. Sallye

Hi all .... I think I will put in my two cents for the name of the website. I like THE BECKELHYMER - PICKLEHYMER FAMILIES of AMERICA (1700 - 1998) (including various deviations of the name) Then again give the list of different names , such as Jen's list. I believe the original name was either Bechtlehymer or Beckelhymer, but was Americanized here in America and families changed/shortened the name for their own advantage or pleasure or even sometimes to get away from parts of the different family. A big family has arguments etc, and then prefer disassociating with the original name. My family name was Behymer and I believe it was shortened because of the length of the name?. I will go with anything you use tho! Sallye

John, That link didn't go thru it came up BLANK WINDOWS ?? Is that on Family Tree Maker? Deanna

John - I think it makes sense to put a question-mark with the name Rinker, because we don't know the true source for this as a last name for Ann/Elizabeth. By having the name out there, it may encourage research, and the person who submitted Rinker to LDS, hopefully had at least a circumstantial reason to insert it, and maybe someone will find it. As for Sarah A vs. Barbara. I think that Barbara is the mother of the Becklehymer children, as she is listed in VA as well as OH, while the only reference to Sarah A, is the tombstone recording in Clermont CO. If someone in that part of OH could find the tombestone, it would be helpful. If the Tombstone is hard to read, it is possible that BARBARA might be confused for SARAH.A What do you think? Rick Phillips Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net >John Tippet wrote: > > I would like to hear some discussion on this list re: the wife of John, Sr > being Elizabeth Rinker. As far as I can tell, the only source for this > surname is from the IGI and it is unverified and propagating like kudzu! I > most confess that I have helped to propagate this "fact" as well. John > Wayne and John Walter Picklesimer make a pretty convincing argument that > the Anne and Elizabeth who show up in various Virginia records as the wife > of John, Sr are, in fact, one and the same person. What does the list say > to this? Shall we toss out Rinker, or can someone "show us the beef"? Are > Anne and Elizabeth the same person, and while I am on this topic, are > Barbara Wettil/Wadle/etc, wife of John, Jr and Sarah one and the same > person? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_906402456_boundary Content-ID: <0_906402456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear Cousins All; This message apparently did not go through when I sent it originally. Cousin David in El Paso --part0_906402456_boundary Content-ID: <0_906402456@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline From: DMNewlin@aol.com Return-path: <DMNewlin@aol.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com Subject: New Behymer Web Page and Name Variations Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 20:07:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Dear Cousins All; Thanks you all for the wonderful information that you are contributing to the (originally Pickleshimer) family history. The web page is an excellent idea and onre that will bring many benefits to us all. I am a long time family history researcher (getting longer all the time, it seems) and have numerous family newsletters and web pages that provide information - almost too much at times. I am descended from Abraham Adam P'hymer b. 1775, son Samuel b. 1813 and son Lewis P'hymer b. KY 1832, about whom there is no information in the famous "book" (Volume I, anyway) by cousin John. This is because Lewis changed his name sometime before his immigration from KY to IL to the Hill Country of Texas to Lewis Preston SIMER. There is a much simpler variation for you! Of course, if you have read the "book" about Samuel and his wife and all the additional children that she had AFTER her hubby's death, you can understand why he might want to change his name. Lewis Preston Simer and his wife Mariah Roberts (whom he married in 1855 in Illinois) have a tremendous progeny (did I spell that right?) mostly in Texas. My own line descends further via Sarah Catherine Simer (Thomas Burks) > Bertie Burks (Clarence Edward Self) > Carl Self (Ruby Orene Vaughan) > Genie Ve Self (Philip Newlin) and yours truly, David M. Newlin. I recommend that there be some cross references in the webnet address page to the various name spellings. They should not be too hard to register since most of them, except perhaps mine, are so odd. The information that everyone has been sending is just tremendous. Even though my primary interests are my NEWLIN and SELF lines, I have seen so much good come from web pages and the rootsweb net. If anyone wishes any of the infomration on the SIMER line on down, please advise and I will send you disc, file, paperwork, etc. Thanks everyone, especially Cousin John and the web page, again. Cousin David in El Paso --part0_906402456_boundary--

In a message dated 9/20/98 7:17:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TideofTN@aol.com writes: > Hello, I am from the Picklesimer Of N.C. family. They lived in the Bear Paw > area near Murphy. I have a lot of info, maybe we could share as I seldom > see > a response from N.C. Abraham Wilson Picklesimer b 02/10/1816 married Jane > McCall b 04/01/1822 was my gggg grandfather. They had 10 children, I am a > decendent of their son George b 12/22/1830 d 03/21/1924 married 3 times, > George had many children with his first two wives at least 12 maybe as many > as > 18, most were males. I have his bible which contains many records. Do you > know > anything about these people? After doing a little surfing on the net, I found the following genealogical web site that may be of interest to you. <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/manypikls/index.html">Dennis Symer Genealogy Page</A> John W. Picklesimer

In a message dated 9/20/98 7:17:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TideofTN@aol.com writes: > Hello, I am from the Picklesimer Of N.C. family. They lived in the Bear Paw > area near Murphy. I have a lot of info, maybe we could share as I seldom > see > a response from N.C. Abraham Wilson Picklesimer b 02/10/1816 married Jane > McCall b 04/01/1822 was my gggg grandfather. They had 10 children, I am a > decendent of their son George b 12/22/1830 d 03/21/1924 married 3 times, > George had many children with his first two wives at least 12 maybe as many > as > 18, most were males. I have his bible which contains many records. Do you > know > anything about these people? Some information that I has been gathered from different sources, on the Pickelsimer family of Pendleton County, South Carolina can be found on the Behymer/Bechtelheimer/Picklesimer Family web page. The address for this information is: <A HREF="file://C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\blank.htm">PICKELSIMER FAMILY OF PENDLETON COUNTY</A> I believe that you will find your Abraham Wilson and Jane McCall Pickelsimer listed there. John W.

At 07:16 PM 9/20/98 EDT, you wrote: >Hello, I am from the Picklesimer Of N.C. family. They lived in the Bear Paw >area near Murphy. I have a lot of info, maybe we could share as I seldom see >a response from N.C. Abraham Wilson Picklesimer b 02/10/1816 married Jane >McCall b 04/01/1822 was my gggg grandfather. They had 10 children, I am a >decendent of their son George b 12/22/1830 d 03/21/1924 married 3 times, >George had many children with his first two wives at least 12 maybe as many as >18, most were males. I have his bible which contains many records. Do you know >anything about these people? > > I am from the David Pickelsimer, Sr. line of NC, but I do have some info from a small book that was written by Dr. Dewey Pickelsimer in the early 1960's. In this book he has listed some information on your Abraham line. You may already have this, but if so, it may help someone else. I. Abraham Pickelsimer, Sr., born January 16, 1787, about two years before David Pickelsimer, Sr. was born. Abraham married Elenor Hooper, Elenor b. April 12, 1790 d. September 21, 1825. To this union eight children were born. We list only the second one. a. Wilson Pickelsimer, born February 10, 1816. He married Jane McCall, born April 1, 1822, died May 6, 1892. They had ten children. We list only the fourth. 1. Judson L. Pickelsimer m. Lundie Lankford. Of their children, we list only one. (1) Dennis L. Pickelsimer m. Pansie Staley. Of their children, we list only one. (a) Henry M. Pickelsimer m. Elizabeth Brock. Children: Donna Elaine Pickelsimer Lisa Kay Pickelsimer This is all that was written about the Abraham Sr. line in Dr. Pickelsimer's book. There is more info in the Transylvania County NC History Book. Hope this helps someone. Frances Arthur.