Hello, I have Abraham Adam Picklesimer listed as birth 06-04-1775 Va. death 10-11-1823 Floyd Co. Ky. Married Elizabeth "Betsy" Prater 07-25-1800 Franklin Co. Ky. Children--Nathaniel--Thomas--John--David--Mary--Samuel--Elizabeth (could be more)

Hello, my name is John Hindman I live in Chattanooga Tn. TideofTn@aol.com Jocob Picklesimer 1743 Catherine Kilgary Henry Picklesimer 1765--1828 Abraham Picklesimer 01-16-1787--05-05-1861 Morning Barnes George Picklesimer 12-22-1830--03-21-1924 Lucinda Vaughn John Wilson Picklesimer 04-02-1861--06-24-1942 Callie Sutton Earl Picklesimer 08-21-1900--11-06-1966 Opal Smith Gwendolynn Picklesimer 07-30-1933 My mother

In a message dated 98-09-27 11:11:04 EDT, you write: << We could leave out the later generations (and any personal data), as I have done for my own entry, >> This sounds reasonable to me. Go for it! Deanna

John T. I now have my computer back in service and have gone back a checked my files. At this time, the possible line for my Abraham Adam would be Abraham & Christenah and Jacob & Elizabeth. Of the known sons of these two family heads there were two Henrys, a Jacob, a Daniel, an Abraham, two Davids, two Johns and Abraham Adam. It is certain that one of each of the Henrys, Davids and Johns were sons of each of the elder family heads - Abraham and Jacob - but it could never be determined which Henry, which David or which John belonged to which family head. It is also certain that the younger Abraham and Abraham Adam were sons of a different family head, but it could never be determined which was a son of the elder Abraham and his wife Christenah, and which was a son of the elder Jacob and his wife Elizabeth. Therefore, the parents of Abraham Adam Picklesimer are yet unknown. If you have information that would tie the younger Abraham to Abraham and Christenah, I would appreciate a copy. This is a question that is still open for me and I would love to have an answer to it. John W.

Deanna, Don't know what happened but here is the link again. John <A HREF="http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/p/i/c/John-W- Picklesimer/index.html">Family Tree Maker's Genealogy Site: Picklesimers</A>

Hi all... As John Tippet said in a recent email, my Behymers were "under construction." I have now posted my Behymer lineage. You can find my home page at http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/4360/ If you want to skip extra stuff and go straight to the Behymer stuff, go to http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/Vineyard/4360/behymer.html ---Susan

John Tippet wrote: (snip) > What do you say if I post the finished product to the new Behymer web site, > so other researchers will know whom to contact? John: The roster entry includes your first and last name, city and state, and e-mail address and sometimes names of living relatives. I hesitate to post that on a website for the world to see, but feel comfortable posting it to this mail list for the list members. I could make a revised roster for the website that would delete personal information and suggest interested researchers send e-mail comments to the mail list. So far the following people have expressed interest in being included on the roster: Tom, Deanna, Linda, Cathy, Sallye, Kenny, Kay, Susan, John T., Rick, Kathy, Wilfred and me. Is anyone else interested? Jen? Bev? John P.? Rob? BillyBob? Bryan? Greg? Gary? Anyone? Speak up now. Don't be shy. The roster will give us all a reference when we see a message posted to the list. It will help us to recollect the lineage of the person and it fosters a sense of comaraderie. I hope to finish it up on Sunday, then post it to the list. I love the anecdotes you folks are sending. It's great. Twila

At 07:07 PM 9/26/98 -0700, you wrote: >Barb: > >I would be interested in the map. What is it and how much are you asking? > >John Charles Tippet >JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > ================================= Hi John, I am a member of the Franklin County Heritage Society and sell the maps for them. It is a map of the early settlers of Franklin Co. giving the names and locations from 1786 to 1886. It was made for the Franklin County Historical Society. (The historical society and the genealogical society merger this year and formed the Heritage Society). Mrs. Gertrude C. Mann, (deceased) - Historian - Researcher, in conjunction with the Roanoke Valley Historical Society. J. R. Hildebrand, cartographer George A. Kegley, Researcher It is about 24 X 30 and the cost is $8.00 + $1.34 postage (book rate - 3 to 4 weeks delivery) or $3.00 postage (first class rate - 2 to 3 days delivery) Your check should be made to: Franklin County Heritage Society and mailed to: Barbara Stanley 6913 Plantation Road Roanoke, VA 24019 Thank you for you interest. Barb S.

Barb: I would be interested in the map. What is it and how much are you asking? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Barb Stanley <bobnroa@pipeline.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Chestnut Creek > Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 5:49 PM > > At 03:29 PM 9/26/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi... > > > > Since we are all guessing about the Johns, with some facts here and > >there, lets assume > > > >Johan George (the elder) > >John .... (the son) > >John Joseph... (known as John Jr) > > > >I have a map of Franklin Co, VA (too large to send over email) which > >shows Joseph owned property on Chestnut Creek. According to > >land transactions, John and Barbara owned this > land..........................................snipped......... > ====================================== > Would this be the "Settlement Map of Franklin County, Virginia"? > I have this map (in fact I have them to sell if anyone is interested) > but can't seem to find Chestnut Creek. Can you give me the general area to > look in? > > Thanks, > Barb S. >

Twila,. please add me to the roster. Can you take my info from the other Behymer web page? If not, I can send you my family list. Sally, would you consider copying your grandmother's wagon trip diary and putting it on a web page? Or would you send me a copy? I love reading old diaries. I encouraged one man to copy his grandfather's diary of a trip to Alaska. Lo and behold, a book is in the making. He went back to Grandpa's home town and took pictures of family homes and local buildings. Should be quite an interesting . Think about it..... Til later, Kathy Graham Friend

Linda: I will check for all of the Behymers, Beckelshymers, etc. through whatever is the end date for the microfilms that I ordered. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Linda Adkinson <ladkinso@seidata.com> > To: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > Subject: Clermont Co. Behymers > Date: Saturday, September 26, 1998 6:45 PM > > John, > > If you run across any deed info on William Behymer in Clermont Co., I > would like to have that. William lived in Clermont Co. (son of Samuel > and Sarah Ward Behymer), married 1880 in Campbell Co. Ky but lived with > wife Matilda "Tillie" Martin in Clermont Co. where their children > Bertha, Anna, Maning, Charles, Lee, Mame, Edith, Rachel and Nomie were > born. Matilda died 12-2-1895. I know nothing of William after that > date. > > Linda

At 03:29 PM 9/26/98 -0400, you wrote: >Hi... > > Since we are all guessing about the Johns, with some facts here and >there, lets assume > >Johan George (the elder) >John .... (the son) >John Joseph... (known as John Jr) > >I have a map of Franklin Co, VA (too large to send over email) which >shows Joseph owned property on Chestnut Creek. According to >land transactions, John and Barbara owned this land..........................................snipped......... ====================================== Would this be the "Settlement Map of Franklin County, Virginia"? I have this map (in fact I have them to sell if anyone is interested) but can't seem to find Chestnut Creek. Can you give me the general area to look in? Thanks, Barb S.

I copied all of the land transactions for the two surnames: Becklehimer and Lazena from the Franklin County, Virgina deed index (1786-1897) (LDS microfilms 0031494 and 0031495) today at my local LDS family history center. I found the following: >From 0031494 (grantor index): Abraham Behymer to James Webb, Bk 4, p 642 Barbara to Thomas Whitworth, Bk 5, p 146 John to Alexander Ferguson, Bk 2, p 226 Joseph to John Behymer, Bk 3, p 507 John to Joseph Behymer, Bk 3, p 515 John to Thomas Whitworth, Bk 4, p 275 John to John Fishburn, Bk 4, p 440 John to James Green?. Bk 5, p 241 Samuel to Daniel Nafe, Bk 4, p 94 Solomon to Peter Fishburn, Bk 8, p 292 Susannah to Betty Henderson, Bk 9, p 39 John Lasena to Jacob Miller, Bk 2, p 146 John Lazena's heirs to Tobias Miller, Bk 5, p 536 John Lazena to Elizabeth Lazena, Bk 5, p 635 John Lazena's heirs to Elizabeth Lazena, power of attorny, Bk 6, p 60 Elizabeth Leazenia to Elizabeth Leazenia, Sr, Bk 4, p 593 Christina Lezena to Samuel Prad?, Bk 7, p 365 Christina Lezena to William Linsey, Bk 7, p 372 Jacob Lezina to Samuel Prad, Bk 7, p 365? Jacob Lezina to William Linsey, Bk 7, p 372? Pickelsimers, et al - nil >From 0031495 (grantee index): Abraham Behymer from Peter Kingery, Bk 3, p 711 John from Samuel Webb and Standhope Richeson, Bk 2, p 439 John from Joseph, Bk 3, p 507 John from Milker Waggoner, Bk 3, p 510 Joseph from John, Bk 3, p 515 John from Richard White, Bk 3, p 631 Samuel from Edward Richards, Bk 3, p 159 Susanna from David Frost, Bk 5, p 550? Solomon from James Bird, Bk 6, p 297 John Lasena from Jacob Miller, Bk 2, p 68 John Lasenah from Stephen Peters, Bk 3, p 403 Elizabeth Lazena from John Lazena, Bk 5, p 635 Elizabeth Lazena from John Adney, Bk 5, p 638 Elizabeth Lazena from John Lazena's heirs, power of attorney, Bk 6, p 60 Elizabeth Leazenia from Elizabeth Lazenia, Sr, Bk 4, p 593 Picklesimers, et al = nil Note: in the above if only a given name is listed, assume the last name is Behymer (Beckleheimer, etc). I also have the deed indices for Clermont County awaiting me at my local LDS library. I would consider doing lookups for anyone on this list for Franklin County, VA and Clermont County, OH, time permiting. Let me know if there are other surnames you are interested in for these two counties. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Check out the update I just posted to the new Behymer web site (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet/. The genealogy of Elder John Behymer is unchanged, but I have added 3 scanned images: the Feb 1893 Clermont Courier newspaper article on the Behymers, and the two most relevant pages from the 1880 Everts Clermont County genealogy. I also added a link to Susan Debrunner's home page (at the moment, however, the Behymer section of her web site is under construction). If you want to print any of the scanned images on the web site, just right click with the mouse (under Windows 95) and you will be able to save the jpg image file. If you have some image-handling software, you should then be able to print it. BTW: the trick to uploading reasonably small image files to the Internet is to scan them as jpg files using medium resolution. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Here is my Ancestry: Johan George Bechtolsimer John Beckleshymer and Elizabeth Rinker Jacob B'Hymer 1777-8 and Elizabeth France Solomon Behymer(1819-1917) Elizabeth Wagner Mary Elizabeth Behymer, 1854- and William T. Davis Ida Myrtle Davis and Gordon Manderville Eva Manderville and Henry Fisher, my Grandparents. Rick Phillips

Columns are name, age, sex, occupation, real estate value, personal property value, and place born. 1860 CAMPBELL Co. KY Census (rec. July 10, 1860) BHYMER, Leroy 28 M 300 100 KY Sarah J. 26 F KY Mary? 4 F KY (name looks like Keary?) Annette 2 F KY BEHMER, Andrew 26 M Blacksmith (rec. Aug 13, 1860) Catharine 24 F Catharine 4 F Charles 1 M KENET, Charles 20 M D? OCKEL?, John 30 M Wagon Maker 1860 KENTON Co. KY Census (rec. June 14, 1860) KEIZER, James F. 23 M Farm laborer 275 200 IN Malinda 18 F KY BECKLEHEIMER, James 6 M KY __EHART?, Joseph 25 M Farm laborer GER 1860 KENTON Co. KY Census (rec. July 5, 1860) BHZMER, Columbus 31 M Farmer ___ 500 KY Mary J. 28 F KY Lewis M. 6 M KY Joshua 4 M KY Beverly 2 M KY BHYMER, Alfred 35 M Farmer 2050 920 KY (4 entries below Col.) Charlotte 28 F KY William 9 M KY James 5 M KY Dulcena 3 F KY Lafayette 1 M KY BHZMER, Abraham 63 M Farmer 2000 __ VA BHYMER, Jacob 50 M Farmer 4000 500 VA (rec. July 7, 1860) Julia? A. 48 F MD Leucian 25 M Teacher C School KY Leonard 22 M Farm laborer KY Amanda 20 F KY John 16 M Farm laborer KY Marietta 12 F KY Benjamin J. 10 M KY DIXON, Simeon L. 21 M Farmer ? (rec. July 13, 1860) Ann A. 18 F BHZMER, Mary C. 56 F 1000 100 VA TO BE CONTINUED AGAIN! Linda

It is great to see so much research/review etc. being done! Here is my attempt to identify the sons of John/Johan/Jonathan Assumptions: 1. I assume that all of men who went early to Clermont CO. were of the same line of Beckelshimers, ie. of John and Eliz., rather than of Abraham or Jacob. 2. Those men traditionally identified with John and Eliz. were either sons, or grandsons by John and Barbara. 3. Children of John, b. 1754, could have been born as early as 1775 or so if he had an early wife, and born by wife Barbara by about 1780. Sons of John and Elizabeth: 1. John, b. 1754. His connection is already documented. He was a half brother to the others, although he might have had a full sister or two. 2. Samuel, b. 1763. He is listed in land transactions as son of John and Eliz. 3. Joseph, b ca 1768-1770, he mar. in 1793. He is too old to be a son of John Jr. 4. Nathaniel, b. 1772, mentioned in many sources as a brother of Samuel. He is also too old to be son of John Jr. 5. David, b. say 1775. He is listed in land records in VA in 1800. 6. Jacob, b. 1777-78. He could be the oldest son of John Jr, but is most often mentioned as a brother to Samuel and Nathaniel. 7. Daniel, b. between 1780-1790, according to 1830 census. He also could be a son of John Jr. The name Daniel is prominent with John Jr's descendents. 8. Enos/Enoch. He was in Clermont early. He could have been born anywhere from 1760-1785. 9. Jonathan, b. 31 Dec 1787. The following children, I believe, are the sons of John Jr. and Barbara: Solomon, b. 1781. He is placed in "Clermont CO. OH", 1980 as the son of John Jr. on pg. 97. He is also listed as a son of John [Jr] and "Sarah A" in the IGI and Ancestral Files at LDS. Aaron's diary has him as a brother of Joel and Martin. His emigration pattern suggests that he was not moving with Samuel, or the others who came to Clermont early. He could certainly be a son of John and Eliz. but I think it more likely that he is a son of John Jr. Joel, b. 1789. He was placed as the son of John Jr. in the History of Clermont, pg. 442, in the biography of Michael Behymer. Ditto for the IGI. Aaron's diary puts him as brother to Solomon and Martin. Martin, b. ca 1794. He is clearly a son of John Jr. John , mar. Charity Harger another son could be Levi, who mar. Esther Frans. Please give your opinions. Rick Phillips Edwin-P@worldnet.att.net

Hi... Since we are all guessing about the Johns, with some facts here and there, lets assume Johan George (the elder) John .... (the son) John Joseph... (known as John Jr) I have a map of Franklin Co, VA (too large to send over email) which shows Joseph owned property on Chestnut Creek. According to land transactions, John and Barbara owned this land. Perhaps he was also known as Joseph, because of the many different Johns before and around him...then decided to be called John again? What a wild story we could write about these illusive Beckelhymers! Who wants to write this story....I guess we elected John T to take this job over. John Jr and Barbara's children that were named heirs in 2 land transactions in Clermont were: 1. SOPHIA BEHYMER ARCHER b. 1783 VA.Henry (if this birthday is correct) marr Chapman Archer. 2. JOHN BECKELHYMER #4, b. abt 1787 VA ..supposed to be the one who marr Charity Ann Harger. ALTHO, Ralph Behymer and a Mary Belle Crosier (1963) said that John marr Anna Hunter Aug 4, 1813 Clermont Co, OH; yet another researcher said John marr Anna Henry Aug 12, 1806, PA.Philadelphia. This John ended up in Fulton Co, IL. 3. LEVI B.HYMER born 1777-1792, marr Esther France (1812- Clermont OH) He died in KY, Campbell Co - wife remarried. 4. ELIZABETH D. BEHYMER, born abt 1788 VA marr a Jacob Rardin...nothing known on him. 5. CATHERINE BEHYMER, b 3-9-1791 VA; marr Thomas Littleton. 6. MARTIN BEHYMER/B'HYMER, born 1794 VA.Franklin, marr 1) Lucinda Beagle 1816 KY.Campbell 2) Elizabeth Lindsey 1827 OH.Clermont. Lived part of the time in Clermont, and part in Campbell Co, KY, where he died 1881. 7. BENJAMIN BECKELHYMER, b. abt 1794-1800; died 1844 Fountain IN. Marr 1) Jane Ferguson (dau of Isaiah) 1819 OH.Clermont; 2) Eunice Fitzpatrick 1824 OH.Clermont. 8. LYDIA BECKELHYMER b. 1794-1804; marr Jesse Beckelhymer (son of Joseph) and died bef 1829 in Clay or Henry, IN. It is said that Lydia remarried... 9. CHRISTINE BEHYMER b. abt 1800-VA; married Peter Robb 1818 OH.Clermont; She died 1866 possibly in IN. Delaware.Muncie. These are the only children named in the sale of John's land, in Clermont co OH. When Barbara died, she named Esther (Behymer) Johns as heir, but this must have been a grandchild...by who? Don't know. If there were other heirs/descendants of John, we can't verify as yet. Have a good day...stewing over all the Johns. Sallye

Twila: I have added the birth and death years below. As far as an interesting fact, family legend (unverified) has it that John Jay Lower, who married Elizabeth Beckelshymer, was a descendant of John Jay, the first Supreme Court Justice of the United States. John Lower's father (Peter) and grandfather (Michael) were some of the earliest residents of Clermont County, OH, having purchased land there adjacent to the Beckelshymers from Nathaniel Lucas in 1806. Michael and two of his sons sold their land in 1809 and left for parts unknown. Peter apparently drowned himself in the Ohio River in a fit of insanity according to Evert's History of Clermont County, Ohio. BTW: Nathaniel Lucas (who resided in Montgomery County, VA, probably near the Beckelshymers) received a very large land grant in Clermont County, Ohio from the United States of America for his service in the Revolutionary War. Some of this land was sold to Michael Lower as well as to several of the Beckelshymer brothers who left Virginia for Ohio circa 1805 (Joseph, John, Jr, Samuel and Nathaniel) I think this is a good idea you had to collect this roster information. What do you say if I post the finished product to the new Behymer web site, so other researchers will know whom to contact? ---------- > From: Veysey <veysey@coos.or.us> > To: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > Subject: Roster Entry > Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 8:37 PM > > John: > > Do you have any birth and death years? How about an interesting fact > about one of your Beckelhymers? > > Twila > > ANCESTOR: JOHAN GEORGE BECHTELHYMER, THE ELDER > Direct Descendants: Johan George Bechtelhymer (before 1712 - before 1790) –John Beckelhymer (circa 1732 - after 1801) –Joseph > Beckelhymer (1770/1771 - 1833) –Elizabeth Beckelhymer (1806 - 1859) –James Henry Lower (1848 - 1914) > JOHN TIPPET of Rancho Palos Verdes, California is the great grandson of > James. He can be contacted at johndoetippet@csi.com

Tom: Aaron got it wrong in his diary regarding Martin. Martin is a known son of John, Jr, not John, Sr. I have my doubts about Daniel being a son of John, Sr. I think it is more likely that he is also a son of John, Jr, as well but have no real basis for this other than a hunch. Clearly, we now know for sure that Jonathan was one of the sons of John, Sr (see article I posted yesterday). I believe Aaron when he says David was one of the sons of John, Sr. The question is which David (the one who died in Clermont County in 1818 with wife, Elizabeth (Sailor?) or the one who married Sarah Moore). Regarding the Enoch/Enos controversy, I don't know. Aaron says that Enos lived for only a short time in Clermont County, moving west, with some of his relatives working in St Louis for the Globe Democrat. This does not seem to be a made-up story, but the problem is we have no substantion of any of this. We know there was an Enoch who died in Clermont County in 1816 with wife Sally. Did Aaron get Enos confused with Enoch? Two of the sons of John, Jr are listed as recipients of the distribution of Enoch's estate, which leaves me wondering, if Enoch may have also been a son of John, Jr. Other than these few loose ends, I think the other siblings are well documented (including the two sisters, Anne and Elizabeth) who married and remained in Virginia. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Jonathan Behymer's kids > Date: Friday, September 25, 1998 10:27 PM > > Hi, all, > > I ashamedly admit that I have not yet looked at John Tippet's web page, but > judging from the messages to the list of the past few days, I take it there > is some consternation as to John/Jonathan Behymer's lineage. > > Following is a chart I first prepared in April of 1997 when we were hot on > the trail of "Jonathan's kids". I publish it here again to illustrate the > variety of records that are still out there, and that "official" records > can often be contradictory to the point of madness. > > Comments? > > Jonathan's children: > >====================================================================== > > A B C D E F > >1 Samuel Samuel John Samuel John John > >2 Jacob Jacob Samuel Joseph Samuel Jonathan > >3 Nathaniel Nathaniel Nathaniel Anne Jacob Daniel > >4 Joseph David Joseph Elizabeth Nathaniel Solomon > >5 Enos Anna Jacob Nathaniel Enos Joel > >6 David Martin Solomon Jacob Joseph > >7 Anna Joel Daniel Solomon Samuel > >8 Martin Solomon Jonathan Daniel Nathaniel > >9 Joel Joel Joel Enoch > >10 Solomon Ann John B. > >11 Elizabeth Jonathan > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >A) Per Aaron Behymer diary entry "Our Family Tree", sent by Lori; > >B) Per Aaron Behymer diary entry "Aaron Sargent Behymer" from Lori; > >C) Per Clermont Co. Courier, Feb 1893, sent by Wilfred > >D) Per Rob Dupuy's data file > >E) Per Ralph Behymer in 1980 History of Clermont Co. > >F) Per 1880 History of Clermont Co. by Everts > >====================================================================== > > > >In case the column formatting gets screwed up in your e-mail software, > >here's the same info long-hand: > > > >Column A: Samuel, Jacob, Nathaniel, Joseph, Enos, David, Anna, Martin, > >Joel, Solomon; > > > >Column B: Samuel, Jacob, Nathaniel, David, Anna, Martin, Joel, Solomon; > > > >Column C: John, Samuel, Nathaniel, Joseph, Jacob, Solomon, Daniel, > >Jonathan, Joel, Ann, Elizabeth; > > > >Column D: Samuel, Joseph, Anne, Elizabeth, Nathaniel, Jacob, Solomon, > >Daniel, Joel, John B., Jonathan; > > > >Column E: John, Samuel, Jacob, Nathaniel, Enos; > > > >Column F: John, Jonathan, Daniel, Solomon, Joel, Joseph, Samuel, > >Nathaniel, Enoch. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > I find it interesting that Aaron lists David and Martin among the children, > and no one else does. Note also that Aaron lists no John, Jonathan, or > Daniel... > > The other lists show a Daniel in most cases, but Aaron does not. I wonder > if David and Martin are middle names for Daniel, John, or Jonathan... > [recall that the Dutch/Germans had a habit of using the middle name as the > "call" name of a person, whereas the first name was generally used only for > official purposes.] > > I find it curious, also, that Rob's data matches the 1893 Newspaper > article for every name, but not their order... > > Equally curious, only Rob and the newspaper mention the daughter Elizabeth. > > curioser and curioser... Any comments, thoughts, or God-willing, an > EXPLANATION, will be appreciated. > > Tom > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > >