I messed up trying to store my mail, will forward other records, here are the rest. 1870 KENTON CO. KY CENSUS--(rec. Sept 2, 1870) BHYMER, Lucian 32 M W Farmer 5700 440 KY Benjamen 22 M W Farm lab. KY 1870 FLOYD CO. CENSUS--PRESTONBURG--(rec. Sept 3, 1870) BECKELHAMER, Henry D. 24 M W Farmer VA Jamo? 21 F W Keeping house KY name could be Janis, Janie? Nancy A. 2 F W KY 1880 CAMPBELL CO. CENSUS (rec. June 6 1880) BHYMER, Leroy M W 48 Farmer Mary E. F W 24 daughter keeping house Anna E. F W 22 daughter at home Carrie B. F W 15 daughter at home BHYMER, Arminta J. F W 13 Servant lived at home of Lorenzo (age 70) and Elizabeth (age 60) SIMONS The following were listed in the various indexes, but, I was unable to find them on said pages or around there: 1850 Beckle, H. Kenton Co. pg. 301 Covington 1860 Pickelsime, Jane Carter Co. pg. 815 Springville 1870 Becelhamer, Mahala Boyd Co. pg. 098 Catlettsburg I still have not looked up the following: 1850 Behanner, Ana Fayette pg. 196 Beheler, J. Allen 125 Beheler, Samuel Allen 124 Beheler, W. C. Allen 126 Behiler, F. A. Allen 127 1860 Pickle, Conrad Jefferson 24? Louisville 1870 Pickleheimer, Moses Kenton 335 Covington I also have not searched 1880 on up. Hope this helps someone. Linda

I'm still here, just out of touch most of the time. BillyBob -----Original Message----- From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 9:52 PM Subject: Re: Roster Entry >Hi, all >>Is anyone else interested? Jen? Bev? John P.? Rob? BillyBob? Bryan? >>Greg? Gary? Anyone? Speak up now. Don't be shy. The roster will give us all >>a reference when we see a message posted to the list. It will help us to >>recollect the lineage of the person and it fosters a sense of comaraderie. >> >>I hope to finish it up on Sunday, then post it to the list. I love the >>anecdotes you folks are sending. It's great. > > >I did a brief web search on Friday (at work... naughty, naughty) and found >a Lori Johnson on another genealogy page. So I wrote her a note, asking if >she was the same who had been on the Behymer list. > >No response, yet. I'll keep trying. >Tom > >Tom Robison >Ossian, Indiana >tcrobi@adamswells.com > >Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of >what happened before you took your place on earth, >is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > > >

I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but I have noticed in a couple of my lines that fathers were able to read and write (often they were born in the original colonial area), but their sons could not. I wonder if this might be due to that fact that schools were not as prevalent as the families moved westward, and maybe the parents weren't able, did'nt have time to, didn't think it important to, teach them to read and write?? Just wondering. I am a history major, but don't recall anything specific on the speed/spread of education during the early westward expansion years. Wilfred.

Twila wrote: >I'm sure we would like to believe that our ancestors were well-educated, but I >don't really believe that this family was. They were farmers and >millwrights. But wasn't it in a part of Aaron's diary that the family (his family, anyway) read the Bible in both German and English? And didn't he say that most of his uncles could read and write? Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but I was under the impression that the Botetourt/Clermont bunch were relatively well-educated. Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Kathy wrote >With my $.02, how much is in the treasury? Seems like we ought to have, what, 22-24 cents by now? Pretty soon we'll be able to buy a stamp. Who shall we write to? Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Ancestor: Henry Pickelsimer( most likely a son of Abraham?) b: 1765 Direct descendants: David Pickelsimer Sr. b: 1789 d. aft. 1850 Adolphus (Dolph) Pickelsimer b.1835 d. 1909 Adaline Pickelsimer Woody b.1861 d.1947 Emer Grace Woody Gosdin b. 1902 Roy Wesley Gosdin b. 1930 Don Gosdin b. 1953 I have solid records for all connections but the one between Henry and Abraham and am relying on John W. Picklesimer's book for that one. I also have copious records for several collateral lines from David Pickelsimer Sr. on down Don dwgosdin@tiaer.tarleton.edu dwgosdin@itexas.net http://www2.itexas.net/~dwgosdin/

In a message dated 9/29/98 11:53:00 AM, HolmHogs@aol.com writes: <<Cathy, Please look at this information that was from Microfilm of the Smith-Riffe genealogical information copied from information under Beckelhimer: I believe your James may be this James listed. James is a prominent name in my Beckelhimer family from Raleigh Co. WV. Deanna Jacob Beckelhimer, born Aug. 20, 1761 Christina " wife, born Sept/ 30, 1768 Isaac Beckelhimer, born 1788, dates illegible Moses " Nov. 13, 1799 William " July 15, 1802 James " March 3, 1805 Cary " Feb. 18, 1813 Aaron " Oct. 27, 1814 Morgan " Nov. 11, 1821 4 entries faded and illegible Moses Beckelhimer Nov. 13, 1799 Wm. Jackson, Dec. 19, 1828 Amanda May 4, 1839 Copied from old German Bible printed in 1784 in possession of Hines Beckel- himer, born Oct. 20, 1876, now living at Pilot, Va. with Bible in his pos- session. July 19, 1953 This was the date this information was obtained. A.J. Beckelhimer This is Andrew Johnson Beckelhimer a son of my gt. grand- father, Levi Harrison Beckelhimer son of Henderson. Kelly Beckelhimer W. A. Riffe Comment: One of the faded entries certainly is Levi Beckelhimer since in his marriage application in 1884 he stated that his father was Jacob and mother was C. Beckelhimer. Montgomery Co. Va. Vital Records. Hines Beckelhimer who lived in Pilot was a son of Levi Beckelhimer and his third wife Elizabeth Smith Lasley. Deanna >> Deanna: Thank you so much for that information. Before this, I didn't have enough to really feel connected. I didn't get much family information from my dad's side of the family. Besides living in California while all of his family was in Ohio, my Grandfather Behymer died when my dad was 14 and my Grandmother Behymer was deaf. Because I was very young when we used to visit, I wasn't able to communicate on the level to be able to ask questions about family. Thank you, cousins! I just wish my dad were here to share this with him. He would have been fascinated! Cathy (Behymer) Silva

Hi cousins, I agree with those that think that many of our ancestors couldn't read and caused the different spellings of family names. Census takers, etc. speeled names the way they heard them. Over the years, I've seen many x's (Tom, did I spell that right?) on legal documents. Don't you wonder who many times they signed papers which might not have been exactly what they were presented to be? Another theory that hasn't been mentioned....... several years ago a genealogist told me that when people had many bills that they couldn't pay, they simply changed their name. At that time in history, it was easy to do. Heaven forbid, it wasn't any of our Behymers! Surely not! Also, I've been told that when there was a family feud, some lines of the family simply changed the spelling. Did they think this severed the blood lines? With my $.02, how much is in the treasury? Happy hunting, Kathy Graham Friend

Some of you have been speculating on the family name, how it was changed over the years by many of the family members. On the Behymer/Picklesimer web page there is a section that is devoted to the family name. Some of the reasons that you have given may apply in some cases but we must remember that the early family members did not speak or read English very well, if at all. In addition, you may want to go ready the information on: <A HREF="file://C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\blank.htm">familyname.htm at www.geocities.com</A> Just my .02 worth. John Walter

I'm sending on Dulca's information about her grgrandparents. Twila > Twila, I don't have a lot of information about my gr grandparents but will > send what little I know. They were married December 4, 1876, and lived in > Green Castle, Missouri in 1883 when my grandmother, Edith, was born. From > other information I believe they may have had 3-4 children who died as infants > before Edith. Between 1883 and 1887, when the next child, John, was born, > they went to eastern Oregon and homesteaded in Riley, Oregon. (east of Burns) > John C. & Mary Leola also homesteaded land southeast of Burns where another > son was born. Mary Leola died on March 4, 1916. Cause of death is listed on > her death certificate as Valvular Insufficiency which I understand would be a > heart condition. I have a little more on Edith but wasn't sure if you wanted > info on down that far. Let me know if you do. > Dulca

John Tippet wrote: > Twila: > > Let me also say what a good idea you had with the roster. I have E-mailed > some other Behymer researchers who may not know about the mailing list in > the hopes that I can get them interested. I am hoping we can add a few > names to the roster, as well. BTW: where is Rob Duprey? (snip) Thanks for all the good comments from the list. I will put together another page, if those who didn't contribute would like to. Just send on your information to me. I know there are quite a few other list members. The roster has sure generated a lot of mail. Twila

Tom Robison wrote: (snip) Imagine the conversation: > Recorder: What's your last name? > > Mr. B/P: "Beckelshymer" (or Bechtelhymer or Pickleshimer or whatever) > > Recorder: How do you spell that? > > [Bear in mind here that Mr. B/P, though fairly well-educated, may not be > sure how to spell his native name in English] I'm sure we would like to believe that our ancestors were well-educated, but I don't really believe that this family was. They were farmers and millwrights. My ancestor Jacob B'Hymer signed his will with an X. I doubt if many of his family in the 1700s could read or write. Jacob couldn't even write his own name. I usually correct people who misspell my name and am annoyed when it is misspronounced. Do you think our early ancestors just got tired of correcting other people, or could it be they didn't know how to spell? MY $0.02 worth. Twila

Sorry again, I wasn't paying attention to the "Reply to" line when I sent the previous message. It was intended for John Tippet, but brain-fade (notorious amongst those of us in our "golden years") has struck once again. Never mind... Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Hi, John- you wrote: >In reading your roster entry, I find that you and I have something in >common other than Behymers. I too will be eligible for AARP, however, I >have a few months to go (Dec)! Planning a big bash to celebrate >(commiserate?) the event. Reaching the half-century mark was nowhere near as traumatic as reaching 30! Being among the generation who once preached "never trust anyone over 30", that milestone was troublesome. The 40-year mark was ignored, intentionally. I figured if I ignored it, it never happened, right? The 50th anniversary was grudgingly recognized, if only for the inevitability of it. What the hell, ya can't fight it. Fortunately, I don't look my age, though I'm beginning to feel it in various joints and muscles, and the subconscious fears of all the horrendous diseases that one can contract after age 50 are always on the mind. Still, It is not a bad age, and I suspect that 60 will be no more traumatic, provided that good health follows... God willing. Here's to the golden years... Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Dear Marion and Tom, et al: I think it's probably a combination of your two ideas set forth here. I know that nicknames and "going by your name of choice" can add to difficulty in tracing people. I also know that spelling of public recorder-types can create virtual nightmares, too. One of my "other" families I'm working on is Plikert which became in public records (in Clermont County alone) Plackard, Plishard, Placecard, Plikert. And that name seems a lot easier to deal with than Beckelhymer/Bettlescheimer/P'simer, etc.! Are we collecting all these $0.02 worth for the Behymer Geneological fund? Where do I send my check? ---Susan (who is NOT an expert in geneology but is becoming an expert in figuring out any possible way to mangle surnames of ancestors in order to track 'em down!!) PS- BTW, Marion, I think I'll be in your area of the world very soon......I'll give you a call so we can see if we can get together!! -----Original Message----- From: MARriposa@aol.com <MARriposa@aol.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 10:10 PM Subject: Spelling >A lot of the different names could be the older ways of spelling were more >like approximations than our 20th century ways. Remember, people were a lot >less schooled. They also had fewer reference books. People probably then, as >now, went by different versions of their birth name, according to what they >liked. >I was named Mary Ann, but I go by Marion and had it officially changed. I >could certainly see John and Jonathon or Enos and Enoch being the same person. >Also, remember these people came from German heritage and were in an English- >speaking country. >I'm not an expert on geneology like many of you. That is just my two cents >worth. >Marion vonBeck >

Tom: In reading your roster entry, I find that you and I have something in common other than Behymers. I too will be eligible for AARP, however, I have a few months to go (Dec)! Planning a big bash to celebrate (commiserate?) the event. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Tom Robison <tcrobi@adamswells.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Spelling > Date: Tuesday, September 29, 1998 7:51 PM > > Marion wrote: > > >A lot of the different names could be the older ways of spelling were more > >like approximations than our 20th century ways. Remember, people were a lot > >less schooled. They also had fewer reference books. People probably then, as > >now, went by different versions of their birth name, according to what they > >liked. > > All true, of course, but I suspect a primary reason for the differences in > spelling was simply laziness or ignorance of public recorders. > > Imagine the conversation: > > Recorder: What's your last name? > > Mr. B/P: "Beckelshymer" (or Bechtelhymer or Pickleshimer or whatever) > > Recorder: How do you spell that? > > [Bear in mind here that Mr. B/P, though fairly well-educated, may not be > sure how to spell his native name in English] > > Mr. B/P, in a HEAVY German or Dutch accent, begins to spell... > "B...E...C...H...etc., etc. > > Can you really blame the recorder if he simply writes down "B'Himer" [or > "P'Simer" or whatever] and calls "Next!" > > Even the difference between Bechelshymer and Pickleshimer could be > explained by a careless or tired or lazy recorder, listening (perhaps for > the umpteenth time that day) to a heavy German accent that prounounces 'B' > as 'P' and 'W' as 'V', 'D' as 'T', etc. I can understand how, when > listening to a non-Anglo accent, that one might think Picklehimer when the > speaker said Beckelhymer. > > I still hold to the theory that the original family who came to these > shores had just the one name, whatever it was. It was only after submitting > to the vagaries of public servants (well-meaning though they may be) that > the variations began to be seen. > > There may have been some intentional variations or truncations along the > way, but I can't believe that the family was so fragmented that they had to > develop 60-70 different spellings of the name, just to be unique. > > We all belong to the same family, sez I! Would 'twere that we could > accurately determine the original spelling. > > Just my $0.02, and now I'm broke! > > Tom Robison (Robinson, Roberson, Robyson, Robbinson, Robertson, Robeson, etc.) > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > >

Marion wrote: >A lot of the different names could be the older ways of spelling were more >like approximations than our 20th century ways. Remember, people were a lot >less schooled. They also had fewer reference books. People probably then, as >now, went by different versions of their birth name, according to what they >liked. All true, of course, but I suspect a primary reason for the differences in spelling was simply laziness or ignorance of public recorders. Imagine the conversation: Recorder: What's your last name? Mr. B/P: "Beckelshymer" (or Bechtelhymer or Pickleshimer or whatever) Recorder: How do you spell that? [Bear in mind here that Mr. B/P, though fairly well-educated, may not be sure how to spell his native name in English] Mr. B/P, in a HEAVY German or Dutch accent, begins to spell... "B...E...C...H...etc., etc. Can you really blame the recorder if he simply writes down "B'Himer" [or "P'Simer" or whatever] and calls "Next!" Even the difference between Bechelshymer and Pickleshimer could be explained by a careless or tired or lazy recorder, listening (perhaps for the umpteenth time that day) to a heavy German accent that prounounces 'B' as 'P' and 'W' as 'V', 'D' as 'T', etc. I can understand how, when listening to a non-Anglo accent, that one might think Picklehimer when the speaker said Beckelhymer. I still hold to the theory that the original family who came to these shores had just the one name, whatever it was. It was only after submitting to the vagaries of public servants (well-meaning though they may be) that the variations began to be seen. There may have been some intentional variations or truncations along the way, but I can't believe that the family was so fragmented that they had to develop 60-70 different spellings of the name, just to be unique. We all belong to the same family, sez I! Would 'twere that we could accurately determine the original spelling. Just my $0.02, and now I'm broke! Tom Robison (Robinson, Roberson, Robyson, Robbinson, Robertson, Robeson, etc.) Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Twila: Let me also say what a good idea you had with the roster. I have E-mailed some other Behymer researchers who may not know about the mailing list in the hopes that I can get them interested. I am hoping we can add a few names to the roster, as well. BTW: where is Rob Duprey? If you're out there Rob, ET phone home - join the roster! There's also at least a dozen other Behymer researchers out there who have been active in the past, that I hope eventually come back into the fold. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

In a message dated 98-09-30 00:50:18 EDT, you write: << Here's to the golden years... Tom >> Tom, my husband's cardiologist told me the best thing a person can do to stay young and healthy is to get out and walk every day. It's good for your heart! Deanna