The Breakthrough you found is very interesting, John! Good work. The indication that John Beckleshymer Sr. had 3 wives has put me to the task of trying to determine Anne’s (his 2nd wife) identity. I think I have come up with a theory on this. Known facts on Anne: She was married to John by 1763, Samuel’s birth year. She was in Frederick CO. MD in 1771-1774 She had dower rights in Frederick Co. (this suggests to me that her parents/family might have lived there). She is not mentioned after Dec. 1774, as far as I know. John’s 3rd wife, Elizabeth is only mentioned in VA records, I believe, beginning 1785-7. I re-examined the known data, looking for more clues and came across: 7 June 1756, "John Bechtelheimer and Catherine Trout" were married (by Elder Christopher Sauer, II, according to Brethren records. Elder Sauer/Sower, II/Jr., minister at Germantown, Pennsylvania, just across the river from Amwell, New Jersey.) It had been assumed that this John was Johan the Elder - in part, BECAUSE IT WAS THOUGHT THAT ANNE AND ELIZABETH WERE ONE PERSON. I think this John could easily be John Sr. , son of Johan the Elder, as 1st wife, Sophia Slinghoff could be deceased by this time, and John could have taken Catherine as his 2nd wife. It is possible that her name is Catherine Ann. I checked some data on the internet on any Trout’s in Frederick CO. MD, and , in fact, there are Trout’s there at the same time as John Sr. would have been there with Anne. There are Trouts there!, including a Jacob Trout, Sr. born in 1759, married to Elizabeth Reed August 9, 1780 in Frederick County, Maryland. I checked some more data and found: Descendants of Johannes and Anna Katharina TRAUT: Johannes TRAUT born: Germany died: 1728 Germantown, PA immigrated: 1709 spouse: Anna Katharina ____ born: Germany died: PA immigrated: 1709 GENERATION TWO II-1. Johan Baltzer TRAUT (John Balthazar TROUT) born: 1700 Germany died: 1750 PA spouse: unknown children: III-11. Jeremias TROUT (1723-) III-12. Balthazar TROUT (1726-) III-13. Jacob TROUT (1731-) This leads me to a possible conclusion that Catherine Trout, wife of John Bechtelheimer in the earlier marriage record in Germantown, could be named Anna Catherina, and that she is connected to the Johannes TRAUT of Germantown, PA above, possibly a grand dtr. Furthermore, it is conceivable that they moved to Frederick CO. MD to improve land that was part of her dowery as a member of a migration of the Trout family to this area. Also intriguing is the later record of Joseph Picklesimer marrying Susanna Trout in Franklin CO. VA I know I’m getting carried away here, but it might be reasonable to think that John’s wife Anne died around 1775-8, and this is why he sold his Maryland land and moved to VA. Please let me know what you think of this hypothesis. Rick Phillips John Tippet wrote: > > I just returned from my local LDS family history center, and I have some > exciting news to share. I ordered microfilm (#1750659) which contains the > LDS early church information file (sunames: Barnes to Beecher). In it are > 3 x 5 index cards that have been typed (transcribed) from various sources. > The following was included for the surname - Beckelshymer: > > Card 1102: Name: Beckelhimer, Lela, (PETTRY), Date: 25 Aug 1897, Event: > Birth, Page: Box 314, Ward/Branch: Bluefield Branch W. Va., Mission: East > Central States Mission, Book Number: 28257, May also provide baptism, > ordination, death, emigration, blessing of children, marriages, etc., LDS > Film Area: 002003 Item1 > > Card 1103: Beckelhymer, Jonathan, Born 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, The above > person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. > Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple > Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: > Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may also > show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS Reg > Table 977.343/N1 K29c > > Card 1104: Name: Jonathan Beckelhymer, When born: 31 Dec 1787, Where born: > Montgomery Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of blessing: > Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, > Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 319 > > Card 1105 Susanna Beckelhymer (KINSEY), Born: 12 Jun 1790, Page: 21, The > above person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo > Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake > City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may > also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS > Reg Table 977.343/N1 K29c > > Card 1106: Name: Beckelhymer - Susannah, When born: 12 Jun 1790, Where > born: Franklin Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of blessing: > Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, > Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 320 > > Card 1107: Jonathan Beckelshimer, Date: 1831-1841, Page: 93, LDS Book Area: > 977.8 K2L, The above person appears in this source: Lewis, Wayn J., Mormon > Land Ownership as a Factor in Evaluating the Extent of Mormon Settlements > and Influence in Missouri 1831-1841, Thesis (M.A.) Brigham Young Univ., > 1981, 173p. > > Card 1108: Beckelshymer - Anna, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, > Page 78 > > Card 1109: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, > Rel: Son, When baptized: 1841, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book A, Page 11 > > Card 1110: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, > Rel: nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book > D, Page 7 > > Card 1111: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, > Page 7 > > Card 1112: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > nephew, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, > Page 78 > > Card 1113: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 589, LDS Book > Area 209.3 Ea85m v. 4, The above person appears in this source: Easton, > Susan Ward, Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints > 1830-1848. Volume 4 Bar - Ben - Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center > Brigham Young University, 1985., xii, 1000p. May show much more compiled > genealogical data on several pages for each individual > > Card 1114: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 20 Jul 1844, step m.: > Sophia Beckelshymer D-78, nephew: John Lower, niece: Sarah Lower, Nauvoo > Bapt > > Card 1115: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 27 Aug 1843, neice: Peggy > Hough D-7, uncle: Jacob Beckelshymer, Nauvoo Bapt > > Card 1116: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, LDS Reg > Table 977.343/N1 K29c, The above person appears in this source: Church of > Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple > Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 > to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - > 422 leaves. This source may also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, > endowment data, & comments > > Card 1117: Name in full: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, When born: 30 Dec 1789 (or > 31 Dec 1787), Where born: Franklin Co., Virginia, Franklin, When baptized: > 9 Mar. 1833, Father: John Beckelshymer, Mother: Elizabeth Rinker, Record > No.: High Priest B. Page: 3 12, Ordained at Nauvoo 6 Oct 1844 by G. > Miller > > Card 1118: Name in full: Beckelshymer - Sophia, Instance of: Jonathan > Beckelshymer, Rel: step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo > Temple Records > > Card 1119: Beckelshymer - Susannah, baptized for 20 July 1844, gt. aunt: > Margaret Spangle D-78, friend: Jane Scott, uncle: Jacob Lemons, aunt: > Catharine Lemons, Nauvoo Bapt. > > The other interesting find was the following from LDS film (#0564894) Index > to Deeds for Preble County, OH 1805 - 1837: > > Nov 21, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Jonathan Beckleshimer, Range: 3, > Township: 4, Section: 7, 20 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 104 > > Aug 19, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Daniel Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: > 4, Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 > > Aug 18, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to David Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: 4, > Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 > > There is a lot of new information here, that, as far as I know, has not > been known heretofore. For example, the above shows that John Beckelhymer, > Sr, Jonathan's father was married 3 times, once to > Elizabeth Rinker, once to Anna ?, and once to Sophia (Slingluff per John > Wayne and John Walter Pickelsimer). This contradicts JWP & JWP's > assumption that the Anna and Elizabeth who show up in the early VA records > as the wife of > John, Sr are one and the same person; they are, in fact, two different > individuals. This also shows that John, Sr had a sister, Elizabeth, that > Jacob, Sr was John, Sr's brother, that one of John, Sr's sisters married > a Lower (BTW: This is one of my direct lines through Elizabeth Beckelhymer, > daugher of Joseph and Christina and wife of John J Lower) and that one of > John Sr's sisters married a Hough. Isn't this an unbelievable find!!! > > BTW: I have already ordered the Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register (fiche # > 6051326), the LDS Early Church Information Card Index (Kendrick to Knowles) > (film # 1750691) for Susannah > Kinsey, and the Preble County, OH Deeds, Vol 9-11 (1828 - 1831) (film # > 0564909). > > >From the Preble County deeds, apparently Susannah Kinsey was the likely > daughter of Jacob Kinsey, not Henry Kinsey, as I had previously surmised. > I would guess that Henry was Susannah's brother. > > Regards... > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Philhimer, Picklesimore, Pickilsimer, Pickleshymer, Packlesimer

Merle: The counties mentioned are where my Beckelhymers/Pickelesimers, etc. were living in the late 1700s and early 1800s. I have exhausted most of the land transactions for these names, but was just wondering if there might not be church records available that might have some genealogical information on this family. I do not believe the LDS church has any of the COB records for these counties on microfilm. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Merle Rummel <cliffr@infocom.com> > To: BRETHREN@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: VA COB > Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 1:03 PM > > >Does anyone know if there were COB churches in Montgomery, Botetourt or > >Franklin County, VA, and if so, if any church records available? > > > >John Charles Tippet > >JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > > > There were Brethren in Montgomery Co as early as 1740 (including Alexander > Mack Jr), Franklin Co settlement was established before Elder Jacob Miller > moved there in 1773 -and is one of our larger areas, Botetourt had > Brethren settlers about the same time. > > Why don't you ask about some names? There are some records, but ones I > know about are not church records. Gertrude Mann was the Franklin Co > Historian, she told me that her records were going to Ferrum College when > she died -and 30 years ago she was in her 70s. > > Merle C Rummel > Church Historian > > > ==== BRETHREN Mailing List ==== > 7 ------------------- > The Fellowship of Brethren Genealogists > (owners of this list-server) > Now have a Homepage on The World Wide Web > To visit it point your browser to > http://www.cob-net.org/fobg/ > ------------------ > > > > >

I just returned from my local LDS family history center, and I have some exciting news to share. I ordered microfilm (#1750659) which contains the LDS early church information file (sunames: Barnes to Beecher). In it are 3 x 5 index cards that have been typed (transcribed) from various sources. The following was included for the surname - Beckelshymer: Card 1102: Name: Beckelhimer, Lela, (PETTRY), Date: 25 Aug 1897, Event: Birth, Page: Box 314, Ward/Branch: Bluefield Branch W. Va., Mission: East Central States Mission, Book Number: 28257, May also provide baptism, ordination, death, emigration, blessing of children, marriages, etc., LDS Film Area: 002003 Item1 Card 1103: Beckelhymer, Jonathan, Born 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, The above person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS Reg Table 977.343/N1 K29c Card 1104: Name: Jonathan Beckelhymer, When born: 31 Dec 1787, Where born: Montgomery Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of blessing: Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 319 Card 1105 Susanna Beckelhymer (KINSEY), Born: 12 Jun 1790, Page: 21, The above person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS Reg Table 977.343/N1 K29c Card 1106: Name: Beckelhymer - Susannah, When born: 12 Jun 1790, Where born: Franklin Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of blessing: Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 320 Card 1107: Jonathan Beckelshimer, Date: 1831-1841, Page: 93, LDS Book Area: 977.8 K2L, The above person appears in this source: Lewis, Wayn J., Mormon Land Ownership as a Factor in Evaluating the Extent of Mormon Settlements and Influence in Missouri 1831-1841, Thesis (M.A.) Brigham Young Univ., 1981, 173p. Card 1108: Beckelshymer - Anna, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, Page 78 Card 1109: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: Son, When baptized: 1841, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book A, Page 11 Card 1110: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, Page 7 Card 1111: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, Page 7 Card 1112: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: nephew, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, Page 78 Card 1113: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 589, LDS Book Area 209.3 Ea85m v. 4, The above person appears in this source: Easton, Susan Ward, Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints 1830-1848. Volume 4 Bar - Ben - Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center Brigham Young University, 1985., xii, 1000p. May show much more compiled genealogical data on several pages for each individual Card 1114: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 20 Jul 1844, step m.: Sophia Beckelshymer D-78, nephew: John Lower, niece: Sarah Lower, Nauvoo Bapt Card 1115: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 27 Aug 1843, neice: Peggy Hough D-7, uncle: Jacob Beckelshymer, Nauvoo Bapt Card 1116: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, LDS Reg Table 977.343/N1 K29c, The above person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments Card 1117: Name in full: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, When born: 30 Dec 1789 (or 31 Dec 1787), Where born: Franklin Co., Virginia, Franklin, When baptized: 9 Mar. 1833, Father: John Beckelshymer, Mother: Elizabeth Rinker, Record No.: High Priest B. Page: 3 12, Ordained at Nauvoo 6 Oct 1844 by G. Miller Card 1118: Name in full: Beckelshymer - Sophia, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records Card 1119: Beckelshymer - Susannah, baptized for 20 July 1844, gt. aunt: Margaret Spangle D-78, friend: Jane Scott, uncle: Jacob Lemons, aunt: Catharine Lemons, Nauvoo Bapt. The other interesting find was the following from LDS film (#0564894) Index to Deeds for Preble County, OH 1805 - 1837: Nov 21, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Jonathan Beckleshimer, Range: 3, Township: 4, Section: 7, 20 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 104 Aug 19, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Daniel Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: 4, Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 Aug 18, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to David Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: 4, Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 There is a lot of new information here, that, as far as I know, has not been known heretofore. For example, the above shows that John Beckelhymer, Sr, Jonathan's father was married 3 times, once to Elizabeth Rinker, once to Anna ?, and once to Sophia (Slingluff per John Wayne and John Walter Pickelsimer). This contradicts JWP & JWP's assumption that the Anna and Elizabeth who show up in the early VA records as the wife of John, Sr are one and the same person; they are, in fact, two different individuals. This also shows that John, Sr had a sister, Elizabeth, that Jacob, Sr was John, Sr's brother, that one of John, Sr's sisters married a Lower (BTW: This is one of my direct lines through Elizabeth Beckelhymer, daugher of Joseph and Christina and wife of John J Lower) and that one of John Sr's sisters married a Hough. Isn't this an unbelievable find!!! BTW: I have already ordered the Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register (fiche # 6051326), the LDS Early Church Information Card Index (Kendrick to Knowles) (film # 1750691) for Susannah Kinsey, and the Preble County, OH Deeds, Vol 9-11 (1828 - 1831) (film # 0564909). >From the Preble County deeds, apparently Susannah Kinsey was the likely daughter of Jacob Kinsey, not Henry Kinsey, as I had previously surmised. I would guess that Henry was Susannah's brother. Regards... John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

John, Here's that Obituary for William Jackson Beckelhiemr: Pemberton Man Dies in Hospital William J. Beckelhimer, 85, of Pemberton died at 7:15 A.M. Tuesday in a local hospital after a long illness, 9/11/73 Born Nov. 14, 1887, in Raleigh County, he was the son of the late JYLES and ELLEN SMITH BECKELHIMER. A retired carpenter, he was a member of the Pemberton Missionary Baptist Church and was a lifelong resident of Raleigh Co. He is survived by his wife, Lillian Pettry Beckelhimer, at home; seven daughters, Mrs. Bill (Edna) Ramsey of Pemberton, Mrs. Joe (Dora) Keith of Birmingham, Ala. Mrs. James (Mildred) Lenhoff of New Castle, Del., Mrs. Roy (Larie) Smith of Ansted, Mrs. Hubert (Joann) Swingle of Springfield, Mo., Mrs. David (Juanita) Polk of Wayside and Mrs. Jack (Pauline) Mentz of Mount Dora, Fla., and three sons, Basil of Guthrie, Ky., William of Wilmington, Del, and Paul of Chapman- sboro, Tenn. One son, Woodrow, preceded him in death. The body is at the Calfee Funeral Home pending completion of funeral arrange- ments.

In a message dated 98-11-14 19:07:05 EST, you write: << Card 1102: Name: Beckelhimer, Lela, (PETTRY), Date: 25 Aug 1897, Event: Birth, Page: Box 314, Ward/Branch: Bluefield Branch W. Va., Mission: East Central States Mission, Book Number: 28257, May also provide baptism, ordination, death, emigration, blessing of children, marriages, etc., LDS Film Area: 002003 Item1 >> Lela/Lillian Pettry was my gt. Aunt, she was married to William Jackson Beckelhimer, son of Henderson Beckelhimer and Sarah Ellen Smith. I have a letter floating around out there, to her daughter who supposedly has tons of information. As yet I haven't heard from her. I located the daughter by writing to all the children that were listed in the newspaper clipping from W.J.'s Obituary. Deanna

Barb: In a deed dated 11 Jun 1850, Samuel Fishburn, administrator of the Will of Melcher Waggoner, deceased, sells 236 acres of land on the waters of Chestnut Creek (all the lands belonging to the estate of Melcher Waggoner in Franklin County) to Willis Tinsley for $275. Jacob Fishburn, the executor of the will of Melcher Waggoner having died before the will was admitted to probate, Samuel Fishburn was appointed administrator. One acre of the said tract of land (including the family grave yard) was specifically exluded from the transaction. As you live in Franklin County, could you check around and see if there would be any possibility of locating this family cemetery? Perhaps the Franklin County Historical Society keeps records on the cemeteries in the county. On another matter, the LDS church does not seem to have any church records for Franklin County, VA. I don't know if this is because, they just haven't filmed them, or that they just plain don't exist. Do you know if there are any early church records that might have some pertinent genealogical data? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Merle and Clifford: Twila came up with the great idea for the roster. If you check out my homepage at http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet you will see a link to Behymer researchers which is in fact, the roster (with personal information and later generations removed, for security purposes). If you would like to provide your descendancy data, I will add it to the homepage. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Merle Saunders <saundman@essex1.com> > To: veysey@coos.or.us; johndoetippet@csi.com; BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Behymer Roster > Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 9:05 PM > > Hello! > I don't think I got the message the first time this roster was > mentioned, but I saw some others responding to it, so I thought I would > see if I could get in on it also. I'm not sure if I have all the > details. Lately, it doesn't seem like I've been getting all the > messages, but I've been working 70 to 80 hour weeks the last couple of > years, so I haven't been able to keep up like I want anyway. I really > miss doing my genealogy research and getting involved in this great > Behymer List. It's one of the best I have been involved in. Thanks and > take care! > > Merle Saunders > 1024 Cooper St. > Dixon, Illinois 61021 > > saundman@essex1.com >

Hello! I don't think I got the message the first time this roster was mentioned, but I saw some others responding to it, so I thought I would see if I could get in on it also. I'm not sure if I have all the details. Lately, it doesn't seem like I've been getting all the messages, but I've been working 70 to 80 hour weeks the last couple of years, so I haven't been able to keep up like I want anyway. I really miss doing my genealogy research and getting involved in this great Behymer List. It's one of the best I have been involved in. Thanks and take care! Merle Saunders 1024 Cooper St. Dixon, Illinois 61021 saundman@essex1.com

Deanna and Susan: You're making me blush! I am just another one hooked on the quest for the definitive Behymer genealogy, just as Rob, Sallye, Ralph and so many others before me. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: HolmHogs@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: An educated guess > Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:46 PM > > You're just doing a sensational job John, you deserve a hug and a pat on the > back. > Thank you, > Deanna > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Picklesimer, P'Simer, Pickelsheimer, Simer, Picklesimon, . . . . . . >

Sallye, I wouldn't dream of you sending me money after all the things you've done to help me in researching my family! Besides, copying here in my small town is still 10 cents a page. I'm really glad it was just what you were looking for. If you ever need anything else about Indiana or Kentucky, let me know, good chance our library will have it. Linda

Please include me on the roster. Keep up the good work. Cliff Trimble cct71@nconnect.net

John, Ditto to Deanna's kudos! You are amazing!! I've barely even had time to lurk these past few weeks, and the information that keeps coming out on this mailing group is wonderful! --Susan -----Original Message----- From: HolmHogs@aol.com <HolmHogs@aol.com> To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 12:10 AM Subject: Re: An educated guess >You're just doing a sensational job John, you deserve a hug and a pat on the >back. >Thank you, >Deanna > > >==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== >What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other >name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare >Picklesimer, P'Simer, Pickelsheimer, Simer, Picklesimon, . . . . . . >

Sorry, I've been on vacation for a couple of weeks. Sounds like a great idea s/greg At 10:52 PM 9/26/98 -0700, you wrote: > > >John Tippet wrote: > >(snip) > >> What do you say if I post the finished product to the new Behymer web site, >> so other researchers will know whom to contact? > >John: > >The roster entry includes your first and last name, city and state, and e-mail >address and sometimes names of living relatives. I hesitate to post that on a >website for the world to see, but feel comfortable posting it to this mail list >for the list members. I could make a revised roster for the website that would >delete personal information and suggest interested researchers send e-mail >comments to the mail list. > >So far the following people have expressed interest in being included on the >roster: Tom, Deanna, Linda, Cathy, Sallye, Kenny, Kay, Susan, John T., Rick, >Kathy, Wilfred and me. > >Is anyone else interested? Jen? Bev? John P.? Rob? BillyBob? Bryan? >Greg? Gary? Anyone? Speak up now. Don't be shy. The roster will give us all >a reference when we see a message posted to the list. It will help us to >recollect the lineage of the person and it fosters a sense of comaraderie. > >I hope to finish it up on Sunday, then post it to the list. I love the >anecdotes you folks are sending. It's great. > >Twila > > >

I found another interesting deed for Franklin County, VA in which Henry Kinsy and Mary, his wife of Montgomery County, OH appoints John Kinsy of Botetourt County, VA his power of attorney to ask, demand and receive of Peter Kover of Franklin County, VA monies due him by bond. The transaction was dated 2 Apr 1810. Now, Montgomery County, OH is right next door to Preble County, OH, the county in which Jonathan Behymer is found to reside in the 1820 census. We also know that Jonathan's wife was Susannah Kinsey from the early records of the Mormon Church. My guess, is that Henry and Mary Kinsey, were Susannah's parents, and that Jonathan married Susannah either in Franklin County, VA (no record), or perhaps in Montgomery or Preble County, OH circa 1810 (Jonathan would have been 23 years old in 1810.) I have ordered the land records for Preble County, OH. It will be interesting to see if they shed any light on this guess. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

John T. I have not problem with being included in the Roster. John W.

You're just doing a sensational job John, you deserve a hug and a pat on the back. Thank you, Deanna

Linda... I can't thank you enough. The book published 1914 was the one I was hunting for. HISTORY OF MADISON CO., IN. by John L. Forkner Volume I published by Lewis Publishing Co, 1914 RE: Andrew J. Behymer Andrew J Behymer born at Mt. Holly, OH, March 1, 1850. His parents were WILLIAM AND MARTHA (LITTLETON) BEHYMER, the former a] native of Garrard Co, KY, and the latter of Clermont Co, OH. On the father's side the grandfather was SOLOMON BEHYMER and he and his wife were both natives of Virginia and lived to old age. THEIR 5 CHILDREN WERE: 1) SAMUEL 2) JOHN, 3) LUCY BROWN, 4) WILLIAM and 5) JOSEPH. On the mother's side the Littletons were natives of Pennsylvania, the grandfather being a farmer and becoming an early settler in Clermont Co, OH, where he died a comparatively young man. The only child in the Littleton family was Martha who subsequently became Mrs. Behymer. I hope this helps to identify the female born to Solomon & Mary. Lucy lived in Fulton Co, IL, and upon her husband's death (Thomas Brown, she married a John France in Fulton, IL. Linda, let me know the charges for all of this? Again, many thanks and hope you can find the right William for Tillie! Sallye

John, I cant remember who wrote you about John Wagoner. I do have a bit of information re Melcher and Elizabeth Beckelhimer Wagoner. Another old time researcher, Ruth Erhardt, advised me sometime in the past that she apparently found information on their marriage. She said that John Picklesimer signed his daughter's marriage consent to Melcher Waggoner. Witnesses: Wm Turnball, Christian C Lange, CHRISTINA SLINGLUFF were witnesses. (Franklin Co, VA Mar 11, 1789) I presume Slingluff was Slinghuff? According to either Aaron or Ralph, some of their children lived in Clermont Co, OH. Sallye

John The other day you asked about this couple. They were marr Nov 15, 1852 Fulton Co, IL. The only other thing I have is a census in Cass, IL 1860 IL.Cass John Beckelhimer 32-IN; Margaret 32-IN Emily 5 IL; Francis M 1-IL It would seem logical that he might have been related to the group in Fulton, IL, but could not determine who. Sallye

Please ignore and delete this if you have no interest in causes of possible war with Iraq. UNSCOM AND IRAQ - FEBRUARY 1998 TO NOVEMBER 1998 Summary: British agent and head of UNSCOM Richard Butler has given U.S. high altitude photographic intelligence regarding Iraq to Israel and allowed Israeli military intelligence agents to operate as members of UNSCOM inspection teams. As least 3 Israelis entered Iraq under false names using false passports. Former UN weapons inspector Scott Ritter all but admits that allegations of weapons violation against Iraq were provided by these spies. The intelligence provided by these provocateurs has been fed back to UNSCOM so that it appears that the accusations come from the U.S. [Source: IHT, 21-22 February 1998] WEAPONS INSPECTIONS BY THE UNITED NATIONS UNSCOM IN IRAQ, HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED WITH FULL COOPERATION OF THE IRAQIS. On March 8, the new buildings of the Defense Ministry were inspected, including the personal office of Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, without incident. Also the offices of the Special Republican Guard and the Special Security Organization, both of which are under the direct control of Saddam Hussein, were inspected. Other sites were inspected as well, which had been off-limits in the past. Nothing was found at any of the sites. Between March 24 to April 6 the UN will inspect the Presidential cites. Unscom chairman Richard Butler said, "In the past we've been blocked." But apparently now, "We were not. We met with a degree of cooperation that I think justifies figuring that maybe there is now a new spirit out there." The International Herald Tribune writes that pressure continues from "Russia, France, China and the Arab League to wind down the inspections." April 29--ARE THE BRITISH PREPARING A NEW CRISIS IN IRAQ? Judging by the provocative report presented by UNSCOM head and British agent Richard Butler, to the UN Security Council, and the resultant decision by that body to continue the sanctions another 6 months, there is good reason to suspect the British want to keep this on the back burner, but turn up the heat. Iraq's leadership had already made known, in threatening tones, that if the sanctions regime were not loosened, they would not continue cooperation with the UNSCOM team. Thus, the ingredients for a crisis, a replay of November and January, are there. June 16 -- IRAQIS WELCOME LIGHT AT END OF TUNNEL. Sources in the region report that the news of an agreement struck between Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz and UNSCOM head Richard Butler, to end the inspections in two months and proceed, following Butler's report to the Security Council, to lifting the embargo, has been greeted with enthusiasm. It is being presented as a victory for Iraq against Butler and the UN, as well as a victory "against the U.S.." In reality, the decision to ease the sanctions regime has been coordinated in Washington. Butler himself admitted that it would not have come about without the forceful intervention of UN general Secretart Kofi Annan, who had coordinated his mission to Baghdad, with Clinton. King Hussein's visit to Washington currently aims at further discussing how to relieve the suffering imposed on the Iraqi population, through the sanctions. It is not known, what sort of post-sanctions policy is being mapped out. The good news for Iraq--though much too late, and after the death of countless civilians--loses some of its luster, when cast against the backdrop of the disastrous financial and economic collapse worldwide, which is pulling the international oil price down daily. Iraq's return to the international oil market is expected to have a further depressive effect on prices. [Source: Washington Post, "US Sought to Prevent Iraqi Arms Inspections - Surprise Visits Cancelled after Albright Argued that Timing was Wrong," by Barton Gellman, Aug. 14, 1998.] A "BEHIND THE SCENES" CAMPAIGN OF CAUTION, is how the {Washington Post} characterizes its unidentified "knowledgeable American and diplomatic accounts" of conversations between U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and UNSCOM "inspector" Richard Butler which, it reports, caused Butler to pull out of Iraq earlier this month. Butler, according to the report, had "orders for [his] team to mount `challenge inspections' at two sites where alleged forbidden weapons and documents were stored. On July 15, according to the {WaPo} there consultations between Britain's Foreign Office director of Middle East Command, Derek Plumbly, and Butler occurred in which Butler was told the time was not ripe for a provocation because Iraq is still cooperating. Shortly thereafter, U.S. Ambassador Peter Burleigh, reportedly called in Butler for consultation at which Burleigh raised U.S. questions and concerns about the UNSCOM orders. But the U.S. diplomat "told Butler the decision was UNSCOM's." So, according to the account, Butler postponed his "raids" until August 3 or 4. Then on August 4, "Albright urged Butler to rescind" the orders. After this, Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz said Iraq had answered long ago all questions about forbidden weapons, and there were no further answers to give. As the account goes, Butler notified the U.S. government on August 4 he authorized the raids to go forward on August 6. That same day, Butler "got word that Albright wished to speak with him." The back and forth continued, Butler agreed to delay to August 9 so that broader support could be secured for the move. It was not, and he received another call from a "high-level" American urging him to have his team "stand down." Butler then ordered the team to leave. [Source: New York Times article by Judith Miller, Aug. 28, 1998.] REPUBLICANS TO HOLD HEARINGS ON CLINTON ADMINISTRATION "SOFTENING" ON IRAQ. Jumping off claims by William Ritter, an American who resigned from the UNSCOM inspection team this week in protest over U.S. "inaction" on Iraq, U.S. Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) announced he will hold hearings on the matter Sept. 9. Brownback, who called Ritter's charges "credible, specific, and substantial," charged that the Clinton administration has shown "little resolve in containing Iraq and removing Saddam Hussein from power." Thus, he announced he will convene a hearing of the Senate Foreign Relations subcommittee on Near Eastern and South Asian Affairs, which he chairs, to explore the administration's actions. Rep. Benjamin Gilman (R-NY) also is reportedly troubled by Ritter's claims, and he may convene the House Committee on International Relations which he chairs, on the matter. [mjf] [Source: Ha'aretz Sept. 28,1998] WAS UNSCOM RUN BY THE ISRAELIS? In some highly revealing statements to the Israeli daily {Ha'aretz}, former United Nations weapons inspector Scott Ritter all but admits that all the so-called intelligence on Iraqi weapons violations came from Israel. He claimed that the Israelis gave much more information on alleged weapons violations by Iraq than did the CIA. Ritter also admits that the FBI is investigating him for alleged espionage in favor of the Israel. He claims that the CIA told the FBI to investigate him in an effort to discredit him as part of the Clinton administration's ``soft'' policy towards Iraq. At the same time, he admits visiting Israel on many occasions with the permission of UNSCOM director Rolf Ekeus. ``From 1994 to 1998, I was there a lot,'' Ritter told {Ha'aretz}. He also gushed about Israel's role, ``I can honestly say that if it weren't for Israel, the Special Commission would not have been able to carry out the anti-concealment effort.'' He also said that the CIA got the FBI to investigate him out of jealousy, since UNSCOM had a better working relationship with Israeli officials then American officials. He said, ``I didn't receive any money from Israel.... I got a shake of the hand, a pat on the back.'' [source: IISS Newsletter, SUMMER, 1998; Barton Gellman, "Israel Gave Key Help to U.N. Team in Iraq", Wash. Post, Sept. 29, 1998. BRIT SET UP ISRAELI-UNSCOM LINK WHICH U.S. LEAKED TO BREAK. Tim Trevan, the Electronic Information Manager for the British intelligence think tank International Institute for Strategic Studies, arranged for the Israeli military intelligence to begin working with the UNSCOM provocateur-"inspectors" operating in Iraq. The Washington Post reports that Trevan, in 1994 the "political adviser" to UNSCOM executive chairman Rolf Ekeus, met with Israeli intelligence officials who later met secretly with Ekeus. Over time, the UNSCOM leaders reportedly shared with the Israelis U.S.-produced high altitude photographs of Iraq, and the Israelis supplied intelligence input to UNSCOM to feed an aggressive stance against Iraq for which the U.S. was blamed. The Post reports that the "first public hint of the relationship" between UNSCOM, its inspector Scott Ritter, and the Israeli secret services, "came in a leak from the U.S. government aimed at discrediting Ritter, disclosing that he was under FBI investigation for his intelligence contacts with Israel." The Post quotes the British intelligence manager Trevan, "I think it's perfectly valid we had contact with the Israelis. There's nothing to be ashamed about with that contact." Scott Ritter is quoted, that he was not "America's spy or Israel's spy or anyone else's spy." The Washington Post story does not identify Trevan other than as "a Briton," and the adviser to Ekeus. The IISS newsletter reports that Trevan left his post with IISS on March 31, 1998, to begin "writing a book on the UN Special Commission on Iraq." Oct. 28--IRAQ'S CONTINUED COMPLAINTS OF UNSCOM SPIES, are neither paranoid nor exaggerated. According to wire reports picked up in Europe and the Iranian press, a technician of Chilean nationality, working as part of the 120-person UNSCOM team, was expelled from Iraq Oct. 26, after having been caught photographing sensitive military installations. This is the second case this month, a UN spokesman said. The man's name is Julio Minos. He was flown out to Bahrain Monday, according to Nils Carlstrom, the head of the UNSCOM unit in Baghdad. On Oct. 12, a US arms inspector was kicked out, after having photographed a missile site, with a private camera. The Iraqi government demanded that UN rein in its hyperactive spies, threatening otherwise to take steps to protect its security. Iraq is expecting, with good reason, that UNSCOM will sabotage a review of the sanctions regime, when it comes up at the UN. [source: combined wires, Oct. 31, Nov. 1, 1998] BRITISH PUSHING IRAQ CRISIS -- IRAQ DEMANDS END OF ESPIONAGE, EMBARGO. The Iraqi government announced on Saturday, Oct. 31, that Iraq would stop cooperating with the UN Special Commission (UNSCOM) weapons inspectors. Iraq demanded the lifting of the economic sanctions, which have killed a large proportion of Iraq's children since being imposed after the Bush-Thatcher Gulf War of 1991. Saturday afternoon, just hours before the British government's temporary presidency of the United Nations Security Council expired, Britain called an emergency meeting of the Council to get a condemnation of Iraq's decision. An Iraqi newspaper responded, "We say to the Security council that it should expel the spy [Richard] Butler from the Special Commission and lift the unjust embargo on Iraq." Butler, an Australian national, has served as a British provocateur throughout his tenure in the inspections inside Iraq. While describing U.S. concern about the new flare-up on Iraq, Reuters and Anglophile U.S. media made no mention of the Clinton administration's distancing of itself from the UNSCOM provocations -- a policy stance that has drawn the fire of British- and Mossad-aligned officials. Nov. 4--ISRAELI SPIES HAVE BEEN WORKING UNDER THE COVER OF THE UN IN IRAQ. This is the gist of a speech delivered by Iraqi Deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz, to the Iraqi parliament before that body endorsed the decision of the Revolutionary Command Council, to discontinue cooperation with UNSCOM. Tariq Aziz reported that at least three inspectors of UNSCOM were Israeli intelligence officers, who had entered the country with false passports. The names he gave were (transliterated from Arabic) Col. Roneed Hahan Haduri, who works in the Iraqi section of Israeli military intelligence; Col. Naseen Shamai, who works in the Arab Affairs Office of Mossad; and Jedian Deliail Shamoni, who works for Israeli military intelligence. Another name mentioned was that of Col. Friedman Jakov Rikson, an expert on nuclear affairs in Israeli military intelligence. Tariq Aziz said they entered Iraq under cover names, with UNSCOM. These are presumably people in addition to Scott Ritter, who admitted passing information to the Israelis. Tariq Aziz also said that the UN had not raised the possibility of lifting sanctions, even when Iraq was cooperating. He said, they would continue cooperation, if there were a light at the end of the tunnel. It should be noted that Iraq has not terminated all cooperation with the UN. Monitor cameras and some inspections are continuing. [AEI seminar, 10/14/98; Nightline 11/5/98; Forward newspaper, 10/30/98; file material] MELLON SCAIFE YAHOOS PUSH FOR WAR WITH IRAQ: Hollinger Corporation director, Richard Perle, is in the middle of a drive to enact measures to destroy Iraq. On October 14, speaking at a forum at the Mellon Scaife-financed American Enterprise Institute, Perle, who is a supporter of freeing spy Jonathan Jay Pollard, promoted the cause of Scott Ritter, a former U.S. member of the UNSCOM concealment inspection unit in Iraq, who has been suspected of passing information about Iraq on to the Israelis. Perle denounced the Clinton administration for interfering with Ritter's inspections. Last week, as part of the propaganda buildup for action against Iraq, Ritter was featured on Ted Koppel's Nightline, where he repeatedly made claims that Iraq was producing weapons in violation of the ceasefire. Speaking in zombie-like style, Ritter made clear he doesn't believe there ever should have been a ceasefire with Iraq in 1991. Continuing the press drumbeat for action, the WSJ today wrote "military action may be unavoidable" even though they report that Clinton made no such determination over the weekend. In a lead editorial last week, the New York Times called for military strikes against Iraq. (mjs) [Source: Daily Telegraph, November 10, 1998] BRITAIN WARNS IRAQ `TIME IS RUNNING OUT'. British Defence Secretary George Robertson is touring the Gulf states trying to drum up support for a military strike against Iraq. In Kuwait he said, "Don't underestimate the resolution of the international community. We mean it." Kuwait apparently assured its support. Robin Cook, the British Foreign Secretary, is to visit egypt and Saudi Arabia next week. The article cites foreign office sources as saying they will allow another two weeks for a possible diplomatic solution.