George Washington was a son of Michael Behymer & Mary Ann Archer, born Mar 6, 1842. (Michael was son of Joel) Where else would you start looking for that marriage? It was not unusual to either go to Hamiliton Co, OH or across the Ohio to Campbell Co, KY to get married. Where better to look than in Hamilton? As for the census reports, has there ever been any children found for this marriage. Who were the 2 males? Could have been from one of the other families --that were living in Clermont? or even 2 of the France kids? I even went so far as to figure the older woman was Magdalena France and the female could have anyone. I have to admit, I believed the newspaper article re Daniel not having any children...or maybe I should say Mary Belle Crosier was quite a good researcher. She was born in Clermont...grew up there and went to Iowa after her marriage. She was a descendant of this family...Elizabeth who married James Robb. Other than that, it was a suggestion we check Hamilton Co. We know he was marr before the 1810 census. Where would you look? Want to solve another illusive Behymer? I would rather know who his parents were. Can't win them all can we? Sallye

Why do you think the marriage should have taken place in Hamilton County? Also, Daniel and Mary would likely have had perhaps 3 children born between 1810 and 1820, per the 1820 and 1830 censuses, although, the two male infants showing up in the 1820 census, do not appear on the 1830 census, and a female shows up in 1830. Who is George Behymer - a son of Joel? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Fwd: Daniel Behymer & Mary France > Date: Monday, November 23, 1998 8:00 PM > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_911880031_boundary > Content-ID: <0_911880031@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > John T > As for the article you are talking about, I have no information which > book, court, or anything. Apparently George Behymer came up > with this court paper from his father's things (Joel) and showed it > to Ralph. He in turn sent Mary Bell Crosier the material I got from > some of the letters that went on between them. > > It appears that France's will indicated family in his will. Mary Belle as > well as the rest of us, decided that Mary had to be the wife of Daniel, > however we never found a marriage date in Clermont. Did not check > Hamilton Co, as it could have taken place there. Did not find marriage > in Campbell Co. > > Notice sale of June 7, 1810, wherein John & Magdalin sold land to > Daniel Beckelhymer for 100 cents and other divers & good causes...etc > on 9 mile Creek, corner of Jacob Becklehimer to Stephen Lindsay > thence by land of Michael France...50 acres. (this would surely > indicate he marr one of John & Magdalina's children. > > The 1832 paper (which may never have been filed) indicated "Daniel > B Hymer of one part and Joel B Hymer of the 2nd part, ...agreed on a final > division and separation that was made between Daniel and his wife Mary.... > > I don''t believe they divorced, but they both stayed single until Mary who > must have died before 1850, as I am pretty sure the Daniel who marr in > Susan Brown, a wid, on 1850.Jul.18 OH.Clermont and lived in Campbell > Co, KY were one and the same "Daniel" . > > Also, in Clermont courer, Feb 1893, OH.Clermont, article stated " > Daniel, married but no children...." which again indicates that he > didn't remarry until 1850, and doubtful Susan Brown wife would have > had children at age 50?? possible but unlikely. > > As I stated, I don't know that the 1832 article/agreement was even > filed with the courts. It appeared to be between Joel and Daniel with > Solomon witnessing the paper. > > As to deed 1825 - it looks like Joel, Jacob, and Daniel had to buy > out Michel France in the matter of taking care of his mother, or not > making sure he gave money to take care of her. Again, indicates > the sisters marring the 3 men, Joel, Jacob and Daniel. > > Sorry I couldn't supply where and exactly when the 1834 item was > filed, if it was. > > Further...see what I said about believing Joel, Daniel, Jacob & possible > Solomon were from the same family, whoever that was. > > Sallye > > --part0_911880031_boundary > Content-ID: <0_911880031@inet_out.mail.csi.com.2> > Content-type: message/rfc822 > Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit > Content-disposition: inline > > Return-Path: <johndoetippet@csi.com> > Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by > air-za03.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:08 > 1900 > Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) > by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) > with ESMTP id VAA28470 for <salgundy@aol.com>; > Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:07 -0500 (EST) > Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; > Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:05 -0500 > Sender: johndoetippet@csi.com > Received: from 76361.636.compuserve.com (sfr-qbu-pqc-vty70.as.wcom.net > [209.154.97.70]) > by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id VAA12046 > for <SalGundy@aol.com>; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:46:28 -0500 (EST) > Message-Id: <199811240246.VAA12046@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> > From: "John Tippet" <johndoetippet@csi.com> > To: "Sallye Gundy" <SalGundy@aol.com> > Subject: Daniel Behymer > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:43:10 -0800 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Priority: 3 > X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > > Sallye: > > You list an item dated 2 Apr 1832 received by Mary Belle Crosier from Ralp= > h > Behymer in your list of sources for Daniel Behymer. This is a key source > for establishing Daniel Behymer's wife as Mary France. Do you know where > this is recorded, i.e., in the common pleas court records, land > transactions, or ? I would like to obtain a copy. Also, I will be sendin= > g > you the probate records that we paid for as soon as I have them copied. > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > > > --part0_911880031_boundary-- > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Picklesimer, P'Simer, Pickelsheimer, Simer, Picklesimon, . . . . . . >

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911880031_boundary Content-ID: <0_911880031@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John T As for the article you are talking about, I have no information which book, court, or anything. Apparently George Behymer came up with this court paper from his father's things (Joel) and showed it to Ralph. He in turn sent Mary Bell Crosier the material I got from some of the letters that went on between them. It appears that France's will indicated family in his will. Mary Belle as well as the rest of us, decided that Mary had to be the wife of Daniel, however we never found a marriage date in Clermont. Did not check Hamilton Co, as it could have taken place there. Did not find marriage in Campbell Co. Notice sale of June 7, 1810, wherein John & Magdalin sold land to Daniel Beckelhymer for 100 cents and other divers & good causes...etc on 9 mile Creek, corner of Jacob Becklehimer to Stephen Lindsay thence by land of Michael France...50 acres. (this would surely indicate he marr one of John & Magdalina's children. The 1832 paper (which may never have been filed) indicated "Daniel B Hymer of one part and Joel B Hymer of the 2nd part, ...agreed on a final division and separation that was made between Daniel and his wife Mary.... I don''t believe they divorced, but they both stayed single until Mary who must have died before 1850, as I am pretty sure the Daniel who marr in Susan Brown, a wid, on 1850.Jul.18 OH.Clermont and lived in Campbell Co, KY were one and the same "Daniel" . Also, in Clermont courer, Feb 1893, OH.Clermont, article stated " Daniel, married but no children...." which again indicates that he didn't remarry until 1850, and doubtful Susan Brown wife would have had children at age 50?? possible but unlikely. As I stated, I don't know that the 1832 article/agreement was even filed with the courts. It appeared to be between Joel and Daniel with Solomon witnessing the paper. As to deed 1825 - it looks like Joel, Jacob, and Daniel had to buy out Michel France in the matter of taking care of his mother, or not making sure he gave money to take care of her. Again, indicates the sisters marring the 3 men, Joel, Jacob and Daniel. Sorry I couldn't supply where and exactly when the 1834 item was filed, if it was. Further...see what I said about believing Joel, Daniel, Jacob & possible Solomon were from the same family, whoever that was. Sallye --part0_911880031_boundary Content-ID: <0_911880031@inet_out.mail.csi.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <johndoetippet@csi.com> Received: from rly-za04.mx.aol.com (rly-za04.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.100]) by air-za03.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:08 1900 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by rly-za04.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA28470 for <salgundy@aol.com>; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:47:05 -0500 Sender: johndoetippet@csi.com Received: from 76361.636.compuserve.com (sfr-qbu-pqc-vty70.as.wcom.net [209.154.97.70]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id VAA12046 for <SalGundy@aol.com>; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 21:46:28 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811240246.VAA12046@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> From: "John Tippet" <johndoetippet@csi.com> To: "Sallye Gundy" <SalGundy@aol.com> Subject: Daniel Behymer Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:43:10 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Sallye: You list an item dated 2 Apr 1832 received by Mary Belle Crosier from Ralp= h Behymer in your list of sources for Daniel Behymer. This is a key source for establishing Daniel Behymer's wife as Mary France. Do you know where this is recorded, i.e., in the common pleas court records, land transactions, or ? I would like to obtain a copy. Also, I will be sendin= g you the probate records that we paid for as soon as I have them copied. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com --part0_911880031_boundary--

John: "she was married to Enoch Beckelhymer as Enoch (with wife, Sally) died circa 9 Jul 1816 per the Clermont County probate records. " I seem to have nothing on an Enoch married to a Sally. Would you please tell me what you know about this pair! Thank you! Rob John Tippet wrote: > > The following 3 deeds, for which I am including excerpts, are quite > interesting: > > On 21 Nov 1826, Juliana Kinsey, widow of Jacob Kinsey, deceased and John > Kinsey, Jacob Kinsey (of Hamilton County, OH), Daniel Kinsey, David Kinsey, > Martin Reed, Catharine Burk and Joseph Overholtz, children and heirs of > said Deceased and Sally Beckleshimer sold to Jonathan Beckleshimer for > $100, 26 acres of land on the West side of the South West quarter of > Section 7 of township 4 in Range 3 East in Preble County, OH. Signatories > at the bottom of the deed were: Martin Reed and Elizabeth Reed (both of > Hamilton County, OH), John Kinsey, Katharine Burk, Juliann Kinsey, Daniel > Kinsey, David Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz, Hannah Overholtz, Abraham Stoner > and Sally Stoner (both of Montgomery County, OH). > > On 19 Aug 1826, John Kinsey, David Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz and Hannah, his > wife, late Hannah Kinsey of Preble County, OH and Jacob Kinsey, Martin Reed > and Elizabeth Reed, his wife, late Elizabeth Kinsey of Hamilton County, OH, > Jonathan Becelhimer and Susannah, his wife, late Susannah Kinsey, of > Clermont County, OH, Abr. Stoner and Sally Stoner, his wife, late Sally > Kinsey, of Montgomery County, OH, Caty Burk, widow of James Burk, late Caty > Kinsey of Butler County, OH, heirs of Jacob Kinsey, deceased of Preble > County, OH sold to Daniel Kinsey of Preble County, OH for $400, 65 acres > and 80 perches of land beginning at the South East corner of the South West > quarter of Section 7, Township 4, Range 3 East, adjoining Beclehimer's > line. > > On 18 Aug 1826, John Kinsey, Daniel Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz and Hannah, > his wife, late Hannah Kinsey, of Preble County, OH and Jacob Kinsey, Martin > Reed and Elizabeth Reed, formerly Elizabeth Kinsey of Hamilton County, OH, > Jonathan Beclehimer and Susanah Beckelhimer, his wife, formerly Susanah > Kinsey, of Clermont County, OH, Abraham Stoner and Sally, his wife, > formerly Sally Kinsey, of Montgomery County, OH and Caty Burk, widow of > James Burk, deceased of Butler County, OH sold to David Kinsey of Preble > County, OH for $400, 65 acres and 80 perches of land beginning at the North > East corner of the South West quarter of Section 7, Township 4, Range 3 > East, adjoining Beckelhimer's line. > > >From the above, I conclude: > > (1) Jacob and Julianna Kinsey were the parents of Jonathan Beckelhymer's > wife, Susannah > (2) Sally Kinsey, daughter of Jacob Kinsey, was first married to a > Beckelhymer and then later to Abraham Stoner. We know that a Sally > Beckelhymer shows up living next door to Jonathan Beckelhymer per the 1820 > census for Preble County, OH. It seems likely that she was Jacob Kinsey's > daugher. I would guess that she was married to Enoch Beckelhymer as Enoch > (with wife, Sally) died circa 9 Jul 1816 per the Clermont County probate > records. There was also a David Beckelhymer (with wife, Elizabeth) who > circa died 31 Jul 1818 per the Clermont County probate records who > obviously could not have been Sally's husband. In addtion there is a David > Beckelhymer who married Sarah Moore circa 14 Jun 1802 in Franklin County, > VA who is a possibility. I am leaning towards Enoch as Sally Kinsey's > husband because of the Clermont County connection where Jonathan and his > wife were living for a time. We need to find more information on David and > Sarah Moore, however, to rule them out. What do others think? Does anyone > have any data on David and Sarah? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Philhimer, Picklesimore, Pickilsimer, Pickleshymer, Packlesimer

Deanna, I am confused again. In this Obit, father of William J. is JYLES. I have father of William J. as Henderson Charles Beckelheimer (spouse is Sarah Ellen Smith) whose father was Levi Beckelhymer (spouse was Artimissa Ferguson). Is JYLES another name for Henderson Charles or is JYLES another person altogether? Is so please advise as to what you have on JYLES and how Henderson Charles fits in somewhere else! Thank you for your assistance! Rob HolmHogs@aol.com wrote: > > John, > Here's that Obituary for William Jackson Beckelhiemr: > > Pemberton Man Dies in Hospital > > William J. Beckelhimer, 85, of Pemberton died at 7:15 A.M. Tuesday in a local > hospital after a long illness, 9/11/73 > Born Nov. 14, 1887, in Raleigh County, he was the son of the late JYLES and > ELLEN SMITH BECKELHIMER. A retired carpenter, he was a member of the > Pemberton Missionary Baptist Church and was a lifelong resident of Raleigh Co. > He is survived by his wife, Lillian Pettry Beckelhimer, at home; seven > daughters, > Mrs. Bill (Edna) Ramsey of Pemberton, Mrs. Joe (Dora) Keith of Birmingham, > Ala. > Mrs. James (Mildred) Lenhoff of New Castle, Del., Mrs. Roy (Larie) Smith of > Ansted, Mrs. Hubert (Joann) Swingle of Springfield, Mo., Mrs. David (Juanita) > Polk of Wayside and Mrs. Jack (Pauline) Mentz of Mount Dora, Fla., and three > sons, Basil of Guthrie, Ky., William of Wilmington, Del, and Paul of Chapman- > sboro, Tenn. > One son, Woodrow, preceded him in death. > The body is at the Calfee Funeral Home pending completion of funeral arrange- > ments. > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Bechtolsheimer, Beckelhimer, P.Simer, Becklehamer, Behymer, . . . . . .

The LDS early church information index cards were not as illuminating as those for her husband Jonathan. Her parents were not listed, only the following: She had an uncle named John Kinsey She had an aunt named Eve Kinsey She had a cousin named John Kinsey There was also a reference to a Special Collections Area (Bk A, pg 171) for the sealing of Susanna on 26 Jan 1846 in which it states: The information on this film may provide the following information on this individual: Date and place of birth, husbands name and place of sealing. The last item is available on microfilm, and I plan on ordering it in the near future. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

The following 3 deeds, for which I am including excerpts, are quite interesting: On 21 Nov 1826, Juliana Kinsey, widow of Jacob Kinsey, deceased and John Kinsey, Jacob Kinsey (of Hamilton County, OH), Daniel Kinsey, David Kinsey, Martin Reed, Catharine Burk and Joseph Overholtz, children and heirs of said Deceased and Sally Beckleshimer sold to Jonathan Beckleshimer for $100, 26 acres of land on the West side of the South West quarter of Section 7 of township 4 in Range 3 East in Preble County, OH. Signatories at the bottom of the deed were: Martin Reed and Elizabeth Reed (both of Hamilton County, OH), John Kinsey, Katharine Burk, Juliann Kinsey, Daniel Kinsey, David Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz, Hannah Overholtz, Abraham Stoner and Sally Stoner (both of Montgomery County, OH). On 19 Aug 1826, John Kinsey, David Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz and Hannah, his wife, late Hannah Kinsey of Preble County, OH and Jacob Kinsey, Martin Reed and Elizabeth Reed, his wife, late Elizabeth Kinsey of Hamilton County, OH, Jonathan Becelhimer and Susannah, his wife, late Susannah Kinsey, of Clermont County, OH, Abr. Stoner and Sally Stoner, his wife, late Sally Kinsey, of Montgomery County, OH, Caty Burk, widow of James Burk, late Caty Kinsey of Butler County, OH, heirs of Jacob Kinsey, deceased of Preble County, OH sold to Daniel Kinsey of Preble County, OH for $400, 65 acres and 80 perches of land beginning at the South East corner of the South West quarter of Section 7, Township 4, Range 3 East, adjoining Beclehimer's line. On 18 Aug 1826, John Kinsey, Daniel Kinsey, Joseph Overholtz and Hannah, his wife, late Hannah Kinsey, of Preble County, OH and Jacob Kinsey, Martin Reed and Elizabeth Reed, formerly Elizabeth Kinsey of Hamilton County, OH, Jonathan Beclehimer and Susanah Beckelhimer, his wife, formerly Susanah Kinsey, of Clermont County, OH, Abraham Stoner and Sally, his wife, formerly Sally Kinsey, of Montgomery County, OH and Caty Burk, widow of James Burk, deceased of Butler County, OH sold to David Kinsey of Preble County, OH for $400, 65 acres and 80 perches of land beginning at the North East corner of the South West quarter of Section 7, Township 4, Range 3 East, adjoining Beckelhimer's line. >From the above, I conclude: (1) Jacob and Julianna Kinsey were the parents of Jonathan Beckelhymer's wife, Susannah (2) Sally Kinsey, daughter of Jacob Kinsey, was first married to a Beckelhymer and then later to Abraham Stoner. We know that a Sally Beckelhymer shows up living next door to Jonathan Beckelhymer per the 1820 census for Preble County, OH. It seems likely that she was Jacob Kinsey's daugher. I would guess that she was married to Enoch Beckelhymer as Enoch (with wife, Sally) died circa 9 Jul 1816 per the Clermont County probate records. There was also a David Beckelhymer (with wife, Elizabeth) who circa died 31 Jul 1818 per the Clermont County probate records who obviously could not have been Sally's husband. In addtion there is a David Beckelhymer who married Sarah Moore circa 14 Jun 1802 in Franklin County, VA who is a possibility. I am leaning towards Enoch as Sally Kinsey's husband because of the Clermont County connection where Jonathan and his wife were living for a time. We need to find more information on David and Sarah Moore, however, to rule them out. What do others think? Does anyone have any data on David and Sarah? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Dulca: Jesse is a bit of an enigma. The other 12 children are know to be those of John and Anna. Jesse is "thought" to have been a son of John and Charity. I have the John who married Anna and the John who married Charity listed as one and the same person, which is probably not the case, since Jesse was born chronologically in the middle of the other 12 children. I believe I put a disclaimer regarding these two John Beckelhymers in the descendancy narrative. What we need to sort this out is the pension record for John's widow for his service in the War of 1812. John, Martin and Levi, 3 brothers, are all known to have served in Captain Robert Haines Company in the War of 1812. I have just discovered that the LDS church has the National Archives pension and military records indices for the War of 1812 on microfilm. I just ordered these yesterday, and have got my fingers crossed that I will find something important in them. John and Anna show up in the land transactions for Lawrence County, IN from 1829 through 1845, and are in Fulton County, IL after 1840 (per the census). I have yet to check the land transactions (or verify the 1820 census enumeration) for John and Anna in Jackson County, IN, but I plan on doing that in the near future. Per one of my earlier E-mails, Charity is know to have died prior to 1822 per her father's will, so it seems likely that we may be dealing with two separate John Beckelsymers - the one that married Charity and the one who married Anna. Which one is the son of John, Jr could be provided by the War of 1812 data, if it exists. Regarding, Samuel - yes he was a remarable man! All of his children are verified in various sources, and he did indeed have the last one when he was 74 years old. His next to last child, Aaron Sargeant was born when Samuel was 69 years old. Aaron, of course, is the one who wrote the diary of his family, and who was the father of Ellsworth "Bee" Behymer, noted opera impressario in the Los Angeles area. BTW: when I first joined this list, I too was disbelieving that Aaron Sargeant could have been Samuel's son. I do not know who was the mother of Daniel's two children. Maybe others on the list can provide this information. You are right about Sara E being duplicated. This is probably not the only error in the database <grin> I have fixed this and it will appear whenever I post an update to the web page, I appreciate comments, as that is the only way to evolve the database. In the next update, I will be adding land transactions for Campbell County, KY, Montgomery County, VA, Bedford County, VA, Lawrence County, IN, Clay County, IN and Jackson County, IN as well as all of the wills for Clermont County, OH. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: ToDulca@aol.com > To: johndoetippet@csi.com > Subject: Beckelhymer's > Date: Saturday, November 21, 1998 10:46 PM > > John, I have been entering the latest info and have a few questions. > You have Jesse, born circa 1818 listed as a son of John III and Charity. Then > you have him married to Rebecca, born January 25, 1825, and her listed as the > daughter of John III and Anna Henry. That would make them half brother and > sister. Is this correct? > Samuel, born January 27, 1763, had 6 children with 1st wife Catherine Logan. > At age 55 he married Mary Parvin and had 7 more children, the last one when he > was 74. If true, he was a remarkable man. > Daniel born December 14, 1822, had 4 wives. You have two children listed but > I'm not sure which of the last 3 wives would be their mother(s). > William born April 5, 1822, - child 10 and 11 looks to be the same person. > That is as far as I have gotten. Your web site is wonderful and I really > appreciate your sharing all this information. My gr grandmother should be in > the next generation and I can't wait to see if I have her in the right place. > Dulca Baxter

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_911760249_boundary Content-ID: <0_911760249@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII John, I would be happy to be the first. Send on a list for mailing. Sallye --part0_911760249_boundary Content-ID: <0_911760249@inet_out.mail.csi.com.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <johndoetippet@csi.com> Received: from rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (rly-yc03.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.35]) by air-yc05.mail.aol.com (v51.29) with SMTP; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:13:58 -0500 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by rly-yc03.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id NAA28375; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:13:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:13:55 -0500 Sender: johndoetippet@csi.com Received: from 76361.636.compuserve.com (sfr-qbu-pqb-vty33.as.wcom.net [209.154.96.33]) by hil-img-12.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.6) with ESMTP id NAA04058; Sun, 22 Nov 1998 13:13:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811221813.NAA04058@hil-img-12.compuserve.com> From: "John Tippet" <johndoetippet@csi.com> To: "Nancy Weaver Knight" <frank.knight@worldnet.att.net>, "Clifford C. Trimble" <cct71@nconnect.net>, "Cathy Silva" <SILVA4GATE@aol.com>, "Linda Adkinson" <ladkinso@seidata.com>, "Pam MacRae" <p_macrae@yahoo.com>, "Sallye Gundy" <SalGundy@aol.com> Subject: Clermont Probate Records Date: Sun, 22 Nov 1998 10:10:22 -0800 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable They have finally arrived - all 183 pages worth! That's the good news. The bad news is I don't think there is any new data of "earth-shaking" proportions. Oh well... I am currently in the process of making a decent copy from the "slick" paper originals that the Clermont County courthouse provided. Apparently they have a very antiquated copier. Not everything = I requested was sent, as the clerk indicated that the Court of Common Please records they did not have, but were available at the Historical Society library on microfilm. Let me know what your druthers are in terms of distributing the data. My idea is to make a copy just for myself, and the= y mail the original to one of you to make copies for yourself, and that person could then forward it on to the next person in line. Sallye: would you like to be first? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com --part0_911760249_boundary--

That's funny! But only if it isn't true! Twila Tom Robison wrote: > When you run across some one in the family that was sent to the electric > chair, this is how you record it: > > "Uncle Tom occupied a seat of applied electronics at an important > government institution. He was attached to his position by the strongest of > ties and his death came as a real shock." > > Tom Robison > Ossian, Indiana > tcrobi@adamswells.com > > Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of > what happened before you took your place on earth, > is to remain a child forever. [unknown] > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Pickelsheimer, Beckleshymer, Becklesimon, Bevelhimer, Hymer, . . . . . .

When you run across some one in the family that was sent to the electric chair, this is how you record it: "Uncle Tom occupied a seat of applied electronics at an important government institution. He was attached to his position by the strongest of ties and his death came as a real shock." Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

John, I am still around but have been very busy with family. Dau and Son-in-law (and 3 g-kids) lived with us for 3 1/2 months while waiting for house to be completed. They moved in this last weekend and I can't believe how nice and quiet it is. I am trying to get my act back together. Yes, I have had trouble tieing into all these Behymers. My g-gfather James M. Behymer was born 1847 in Ohio. His wife was Edith (Eda) Oswald (or Oswalt). They married 06 sep 1868 in Mercer Co., Ohio. Here is what I have on him: *1867-1908 OH MERCER/ BIRTHS V-1 (FN914953) JAMES B. BEHYMER & EDA P/O LEWIS P. *1867-1908 OH MERCER/ DEATHS (FN914954) JAS. M. BEHYMER & EDA OSWALD P/O MALE BEHYMER D:14NOV1882 *1867-1908 OH MERCER/ DEATHS (FN914954) JAMES M. BEHYMER & EDA OSWALT P/O JOHN W. *1868 OH MERCER/ MARRIAGE RECORD JAMES M. BEHYMER M: EDA OSWALD 06SEP1868 BY S.G. WILSON *1870 OH MERCER/WASHINGTON CELINA TAKEN 08AUG1870 P.4 L.2 30/29 JAMES BEHYMER 23 MW FARM LABORER -/$500 OH *1880 OH DARKE/MISSISSINAWA/LIGHTVILLE (FN1255010) 65/2/2 ST.236 P.12 09JUN1880 L.2 75/75 JAMES BEHYMER WM 32 MARR FARMER OH VA/OH *1883-1888 OH MERCER/ BIRTHS (FN914953) V-2 JAMES BEHYMER & EDA P/O JAMES *1883-1888 OH MERCER/ BIRTHS (FN914953) V-2 JAMES BEHYMER & EDA OSWALD P/O SAVELLA *1900 OH MERCER/HOPEWELL B560 SOUNDEX (FNT1065-30) 82/5/35 JAMES M. BEHYMER FEB1847 53 OH *1900 OH/MERCER/HOPEWELL ROLL 1241304 06JUN1900 82/5A ST.141 L35 96/96 JAMES BEHYMER HD WM FEB1847 53 M 32YR OH VA OH *1910 CA SANTA CLARA/SAN JOSE (FN106) 85/216(10A)/35 04MAY1910 214/216 JAMES BEHYMER HD MW 63 OH M1:40Y OH VA/OH FARM LABORER *1916 CA SAN JOSE & SANTA CLARA/ DIRECTORY R917.947 S22 JAS. M. BEHYMER ORCHDST RFD.2 BOX59 *1973 IL COOK/CHICAGO DEATH SEARCH, 19JUL1973 JAMES BEHYMER, NO RECORD FOUND 1920-1936 *1987 CA / CERTIFICATION OF NO DEATH RECORD 14JUL1987 JAMES M. BEHYMER NOT FOUND 1916-1925 *1988 IGI U.S. & CANADA, 01SEP1988 JAMES M. BEHYMER M: 1868 OH SP: EDA OSWALD. I simply don't know what happened to them after 1916 in San Jose California. Their youngest was Daniel Ernest Behymer. Info on him: *1893 OH MERCER/HOPEWELL TWP. COPY OF BIRTH RECORD #44 DANIEL ERNEST BEHYMER B: 29DEC1892 HOPEWELL/MERCER/OHIO, MALE F: JAMES BEHYMER, M: EDA OSWOLD *1888-1901 OH MERCER/ BIRTHS (FN914953) V-3 P15 DANIEL ERNEST BEHYMER, B: 29DEC1892, HOPEWELL/MERCER/OH, MALE, *1900 OH MERCER/HOPEWELL B560 SOUNDEX (FNT1065-30) 82/5/35 DANIEL E. SON DEC1892 8 OH *1900 OH/MERCER/HOPEWELL ROLL 1241304 06JUN1900 82/5A ST.141 DANIEL E. BEHYMER SON WM DEC1892 8 S OH OH OH *1910 CA SANTA CLARA/SAN JOSE (FN106) 85/216(10A)/35 03MAY1910 DANIEL SON MW 17 SINGL OH OH/OH Don't know what happened to him either. Any help would be appreciated. John Tippet wrote: > > Rob, glad to oblige (and nice to hear from you) - I thought you had dropped > out of sight. Are you still actively working this family's genealogy? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > P.S. I am curious to know which line you descend from. I seem to recall > that you had a broken link in trying to make a connection. > > P.P.S. I will also forward a few more E-mails that are germain to this > topic > > ---------- > > From: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > > To: Behymer <BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Subject: Behymer Breakthroughs!!! > > Date: Saturday, November 14, 1998 3:59 PM > > > > I just returned from my local LDS family history center, and I have some > > exciting news to share. I ordered microfilm (#1750659) which contains > the > > LDS early church information file (sunames: Barnes to Beecher). In it > are > > 3 x 5 index cards that have been typed (transcribed) from various > sources. > > The following was included for the surname - Beckelshymer: > > > > Card 1102: Name: Beckelhimer, Lela, (PETTRY), Date: 25 Aug 1897, Event: > > Birth, Page: Box 314, Ward/Branch: Bluefield Branch W. Va., Mission: East > > Central States Mission, Book Number: 28257, May also provide baptism, > > ordination, death, emigration, blessing of children, marriages, etc., LDS > > Film Area: 002003 Item1 > > > > Card 1103: Beckelhymer, Jonathan, Born 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, The above > > person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > Saints. > > Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple > > Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: > > Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may also > > show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS Reg > > Table 977.343/N1 K29c > > > > > > Card 1104: Name: Jonathan Beckelhymer, When born: 31 Dec 1787, Where > born: > > Montgomery Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of blessing: > > Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, > > Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 319 > > > > Card 1105 Susanna Beckelhymer (KINSEY), Born: 12 Jun 1790, Page: 21, The > > above person appears in this source: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day > > Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo > > Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 to 8 February 1846 - Salt > Lake > > City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. - 422 leaves. This source may > > also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, endowment data, & comments, LDS > > Reg Table 977.343/N1 K29c > > > > > > Card 1106: Name: Beckelhymer - Susannah, When born: 12 Jun 1790, Where > > born: Franklin Co., Va., Date of blessing: 28 Feb 1838, Place of > blessing: > > Jackson Co., Mo., Patriarch: Isaac Morley, Recorded Historians Office, > > Patriarchal Blessings, Vol. 15, Page 256, No. 320 > > > > > > Card 1107: Jonathan Beckelshimer, Date: 1831-1841, Page: 93, LDS Book > Area: > > 977.8 K2L, The above person appears in this source: Lewis, Wayn J., > Mormon > > Land Ownership as a Factor in Evaluating the Extent of Mormon Settlements > > and Influence in Missouri 1831-1841, Thesis (M.A.) Brigham Young Univ., > > 1981, 173p. > > > > Card 1108: Beckelshymer - Anna, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > > step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book > D, > > Page 78 > > > > Card 1109: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, > > Rel: Son, When baptized: 1841, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book A, Page > 11 > > > > Card 1110: Beckelshymer - Elizabeth, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, > > Rel: nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, > Book > > D, Page 7 > > > > Card 1111: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > > nephew, When baptized: 27 Aug 1843, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, > > Page 7 > > > > Card 1112: Beckelshymer - Jacob, Instance of: Jonathan Beckelshymer, Rel: > > nephew, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo Temple Records, Book D, > > Page 78 > > > > Card 1113: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 589, LDS Book > > Area 209.3 Ea85m v. 4, The above person appears in this source: Easton, > > Susan Ward, Membership of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints > > 1830-1848. Volume 4 Bar - Ben - Provo, UT: Religious Studies Center > > Brigham Young University, 1985., xii, 1000p. May show much more compiled > > genealogical data on several pages for each individual > > > > Card 1114: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 20 Jul 1844, step m.: > > Sophia Beckelshymer D-78, nephew: John Lower, niece: Sarah Lower, Nauvoo > > Bapt > > > > Card 1115: Beckelshymer - Jonathan, baptized for 27 Aug 1843, neice: > Peggy > > Hough D-7, uncle: Jacob Beckelshymer, Nauvoo Bapt > > > > Card 1116: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, Born: 31 Dec 1787, Page: 21, LDS Reg > > Table 977.343/N1 K29c, The above person appears in this source: Church of > > Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Genealogical Department. Temple > > Records Index Bureau - Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register, 10 December 1845 > > to 8 February 1846 - Salt Lake City: Genealogical Society of Utah, 1974. > - > > 422 leaves. This source may also show:: sex, priesthood, birth-place, > > endowment data, & comments > > > > Card 1117: Name in full: Beckelshymer, Jonathan, When born: 30 Dec 1789 > (or > > 31 Dec 1787), Where born: Franklin Co., Virginia, Franklin, When > baptized: > > 9 Mar. 1833, Father: John Beckelshymer, Mother: Elizabeth Rinker, Record > > No.: High Priest B. Page: 3 12, Ordained at Nauvoo 6 Oct 1844 by G. > > Miller > > > > Card 1118: Name in full: Beckelshymer - Sophia, Instance of: Jonathan > > Beckelshymer, Rel: step son, When baptized: 20 Jul 1844, Bapt. Nauvoo > > Temple Records > > > > Card 1119: Beckelshymer - Susannah, baptized for 20 July 1844, gt. aunt: > > Margaret Spangle D-78, friend: Jane Scott, uncle: Jacob Lemons, aunt: > > Catharine Lemons, Nauvoo Bapt. > > > > The other interesting find was the following from LDS film (#0564894) > Index > > to Deeds for Preble County, OH 1805 - 1837: > > > > Nov 21, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Jonathan Beckleshimer, Range: 3, > > Township: 4, Section: 7, 20 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 104 > > > > Aug 19, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to Daniel Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: > > 4, Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 > > > > Aug 18, 1826, Jacob Kinsey by heirs to David Kinsey, Range: 3, Township: > 4, > > Section: 7, 65 acres, pt. S. W. qr, Vol 9, p 108 > > > > There is a lot of new information here, that, as far as I know, has not > > been known heretofore. For example, the above shows that John > Beckelhymer, > > Sr, Jonathan's father was married 3 times, once to > > Elizabeth Rinker, once to Anna ?, and once to Sophia (Slingluff per John > > Wayne and John Walter Pickelsimer). This contradicts JWP & JWP's > > assumption that the Anna and Elizabeth who show up in the early VA > records > > as the wife of > > John, Sr are one and the same person; they are, in fact, two different > > individuals. This also shows that John, Sr had a sister, Elizabeth, that > > Jacob, Sr was John, Sr's brother, that one of John, Sr's sisters married > > a Lower (BTW: This is one of my direct lines through Elizabeth > Beckelhymer, > > daugher of Joseph and Christina and wife of John J Lower) and that one of > > John Sr's sisters married a Hough. Isn't this an unbelievable find!!! > > > > BTW: I have already ordered the Nauvoo Temple Endowment Register (fiche # > > 6051326), the LDS Early Church Information Card Index (Kendrick to > Knowles) > > (film # 1750691) for Susannah > > Kinsey, and the Preble County, OH Deeds, Vol 9-11 (1828 - 1831) (film # > > 0564909). > > > > From the Preble County deeds, apparently Susannah Kinsey was the likely > > daughter of Jacob Kinsey, not Henry Kinsey, as I had previously surmised. > > > I would guess that Henry was Susannah's brother. > > > > Regards... > > > > John Charles Tippet > > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > >

Hello All, I am severing my long association with itexas.net and will only be accessable through the below address. I have reached a sorry state. I'm broke. I had a good job, but it is gone. The State of Texas university system doesn't pay graphic artists enough to support a large family and I'm forced to cut back. I hope to stay in touch as I am able. Don gosdin dwgosdin@tiaer.tarleton.edu

John - in the land transactions of Clermont County posted on your website, there is a sale of land by Samuel Behymer to Lewis Huff in 1823. Samuel gets my vote as the father although I haven't heard her mentioned in connection with this family. Rick John Tippet wrote: > > Replying to my own E-mail: > > It dawned on me that I need to modify the second paragraph below. Peggy > Hough could as easily have been a daughter of one of the Beckelhymer > brothers as one of the sisters, so there does not necessarily have to be an > unaccounted for sister. > > Also, it dawned on me that I find a Lewis Huff who married a Peggy B. Hymer > on 1 Jan 1818 per the Clermont County marriage records. I think it is > pretty obvious that this is the niece that Jonathan was referring to. Now, > which of the 9 or more children of John, Sr was her parent? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > ---------- > > From: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Behymer Sisters > > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:58 PM > > > > Based on the info I found from the LDS index cards for Jonathan > > Beckelhymer's relatives, I am left with the following conclusion: In > > addition to Anna Beckett and Elizabeth Waggoner, there was at least one > > other sister. Jonathan mentions John Lower and Sarah Lower as nephew and > > niece. Thus, he had to have a sister who married a Lower. Now, John > > Lower's parents' were Peter and Magdalene Lower, per the biography from a > > McDonough County, IL atlas that is posted on my web page - > > http://ourworld,compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet under Lower. > > Therefore, I conclude that Magdalene, was, in fact, Magdalene > Beckelhymer, > > sister (or step-sister) to Jonathan and wife of Peter Lower. The next > > question is: who was Magdalene's mother: Sophia Slingluff, Anne (Trout? > > per Rick) or Elizabeth Rinker? Magdalene was likely born circa 1780 > since > > her son, John Lower was born in the early 1800s, leading me to conclude > > that Elizabeth Rinker was the likely mother of Magdalene, in addition to > > which, they would be technically only step nephew and niece to Jonathan > > otherwise. Peter Lower drowned himself in a fit of insanity in the Ohio > > River per the Evert's History of Clermont County, OH. I believe he died > > young, and perhaps had only the two children, John and Sarah. Other than > > my direct ancestor, John, I find only one land transaction for Sarah > (circa > > 1826) and no indication of any other siblings to these two. One thing > that > > bothers me, however, is that the two Lower nephew and niece's are listed > on > > the same index card as that for Sophia, Jonathan's step mother, leaving > me > > wondering if Sophia may have been Magdalene's mother. Magdalene would > have > > been in her late 40's, however, when she had John and Sarah, for this to > > fit - seems unlikely, but possible. > > > > I also conclude there may have been even one more sister, since Peggy > Hough > > is mentioned by Jonathan as a niece. Does anyone know if Elizabeth > > Waggoner or Anne Beckett had a daughter named Peggy (Margaret)? If so, > > this could have been who Jonathan was refering to. If not, then perhaps > > there is yet one more sister still unaccounted for. > > > > Just some rambling thoughts. What do others think? > > > > John Charles Tippet > > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > > > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > > Behymer, Beckelhymer, Bechtelheimer, BHymer, Bechelheimer, . . . . . . > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > B'Hymer, Beevelhamaer, Bevelheimer, Bechtelsheimer, Bechtelheimer

Replying to my own E-mail: It dawned on me that I need to modify the second paragraph below. Peggy Hough could as easily have been a daughter of one of the Beckelhymer brothers as one of the sisters, so there does not necessarily have to be an unaccounted for sister. Also, it dawned on me that I find a Lewis Huff who married a Peggy B. Hymer on 1 Jan 1818 per the Clermont County marriage records. I think it is pretty obvious that this is the niece that Jonathan was referring to. Now, which of the 9 or more children of John, Sr was her parent? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Behymer Sisters > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 8:58 PM > > Based on the info I found from the LDS index cards for Jonathan > Beckelhymer's relatives, I am left with the following conclusion: In > addition to Anna Beckett and Elizabeth Waggoner, there was at least one > other sister. Jonathan mentions John Lower and Sarah Lower as nephew and > niece. Thus, he had to have a sister who married a Lower. Now, John > Lower's parents' were Peter and Magdalene Lower, per the biography from a > McDonough County, IL atlas that is posted on my web page - > http://ourworld,compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet under Lower. > Therefore, I conclude that Magdalene, was, in fact, Magdalene Beckelhymer, > sister (or step-sister) to Jonathan and wife of Peter Lower. The next > question is: who was Magdalene's mother: Sophia Slingluff, Anne (Trout? > per Rick) or Elizabeth Rinker? Magdalene was likely born circa 1780 since > her son, John Lower was born in the early 1800s, leading me to conclude > that Elizabeth Rinker was the likely mother of Magdalene, in addition to > which, they would be technically only step nephew and niece to Jonathan > otherwise. Peter Lower drowned himself in a fit of insanity in the Ohio > River per the Evert's History of Clermont County, OH. I believe he died > young, and perhaps had only the two children, John and Sarah. Other than > my direct ancestor, John, I find only one land transaction for Sarah (circa > 1826) and no indication of any other siblings to these two. One thing that > bothers me, however, is that the two Lower nephew and niece's are listed on > the same index card as that for Sophia, Jonathan's step mother, leaving me > wondering if Sophia may have been Magdalene's mother. Magdalene would have > been in her late 40's, however, when she had John and Sarah, for this to > fit - seems unlikely, but possible. > > I also conclude there may have been even one more sister, since Peggy Hough > is mentioned by Jonathan as a niece. Does anyone know if Elizabeth > Waggoner or Anne Beckett had a daughter named Peggy (Margaret)? If so, > this could have been who Jonathan was refering to. If not, then perhaps > there is yet one more sister still unaccounted for. > > Just some rambling thoughts. What do others think? > > John Charles Tippet > JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Behymer, Beckelhymer, Bechtelheimer, BHymer, Bechelheimer, . . . . . . >

Based on the info I found from the LDS index cards for Jonathan Beckelhymer's relatives, I am left with the following conclusion: In addition to Anna Beckett and Elizabeth Waggoner, there was at least one other sister. Jonathan mentions John Lower and Sarah Lower as nephew and niece. Thus, he had to have a sister who married a Lower. Now, John Lower's parents' were Peter and Magdalene Lower, per the biography from a McDonough County, IL atlas that is posted on my web page - http://ourworld,compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet under Lower. Therefore, I conclude that Magdalene, was, in fact, Magdalene Beckelhymer, sister (or step-sister) to Jonathan and wife of Peter Lower. The next question is: who was Magdalene's mother: Sophia Slingluff, Anne (Trout? per Rick) or Elizabeth Rinker? Magdalene was likely born circa 1780 since her son, John Lower was born in the early 1800s, leading me to conclude that Elizabeth Rinker was the likely mother of Magdalene, in addition to which, they would be technically only step nephew and niece to Jonathan otherwise. Peter Lower drowned himself in a fit of insanity in the Ohio River per the Evert's History of Clermont County, OH. I believe he died young, and perhaps had only the two children, John and Sarah. Other than my direct ancestor, John, I find only one land transaction for Sarah (circa 1826) and no indication of any other siblings to these two. One thing that bothers me, however, is that the two Lower nephew and niece's are listed on the same index card as that for Sophia, Jonathan's step mother, leaving me wondering if Sophia may have been Magdalene's mother. Magdalene would have been in her late 40's, however, when she had John and Sarah, for this to fit - seems unlikely, but possible. I also conclude there may have been even one more sister, since Peggy Hough is mentioned by Jonathan as a niece. Does anyone know if Elizabeth Waggoner or Anne Beckett had a daughter named Peggy (Margaret)? If so, this could have been who Jonathan was refering to. If not, then perhaps there is yet one more sister still unaccounted for. Just some rambling thoughts. What do others think? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Sallye: Many thanks for the data on the land transactions in MD. One of the things that seems puzzling to me, is that Aaron Sargeant Behymer, in his diary, says that his father, Samuel (as well as several of Samuel's brothers) were born in Botetourt County, VA, 12 miles South of Fincastle. I believe that this is probably in error, as John Sr would have been unlikely to move directly to VA after his marriage to his wife, Anne, have several children (Samuel was born in 1763), move back to Frederick County, MD, where he spent roughly 10 years, and then move back again to VA. A more likely scenario is that Samuel was born in Frederick County, MD, but was raised in Botetourt County, VA. Aaron Sargeant Behymer wrote his diary when he was not a young man, and so may have gotten things confused. Of course, this is all just my educated guess until we find more data to sort this out. What are the opinions of others on this list with respect to this issue? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: JOHN & ANNA OF FREDRICK CO, MD > Date: Monday, November 16, 1998 5:29 PM > > John > > You asked about land transactions in MD > > FREDRICK CO, MARYLAND > (a) Book O Pg 660/1/2 - Nov 22, 1771/Aug 3, 1771 > Richard and Mary Reynolds to JOHN PICKLEHAMMER, all of > Fredrick Co, MD. Both "Farmers" Part of Tract "Resurvey on > "Good Neighborhood", 447 acres. > Wit: Jos Wood, Wm Price, Johann DWL Robboe > PRINCE GEORGE CO, MD. > (b) Book U, page 60/1/2/3/4 Oct 26, 1773/May 15/My 15, 1773 > Alexander Thomas Hawkins, Planter, of Prince Geo Co to > JOHN PICKLESHAMMER, and wife Anne, and son Samuel, "farmer" > of Frederick Co. "Mary Peep of Day" 200 acres. Rent > Wit: Thomas Gault Jr, Alex Howard Magruder > FREDERICK CO, MD > (c) Book 80, pg 51/2/3/4/5 Jan 14, 1775/Dec 19, 1774 > JOHN BECKELHIMR to Henry Crawle & Joseph Boiler, all of > Frederick Co, 290A sold, land colled "resurvey". (Crawle & > Boiler--farmers) on Goodneighborhoos on Israel Ck, Anne > Signs dower rights. > ISRAEL CREEK > (c) Becklehimer, "reedmaker" > Part of Resurvey of Good Neighborhood, 297 acres, EXCEPT > hay in Beckelhimer's meadow and right of way to Beckelhimers > land and meadow. > Beckelhimers wife...Anne > Wit: Thomas Price, Wm. Beaty. > FREDERICK CO, MD. > (d) Book RP1, pg 376/7 May 13, 1778/ May 26, 1778 > JOHN BCKELHIMER, reedmaker, to Peter Wetsell, > "blacksmith", both of Frederick Co. 4 1/2 acres 19 pounds. > Part of "Resurvey of Good Neighborhood" > Wit: Upton/Elener Sheredin (Sheridin"), Jacob Young. > > (a), (c) (d) = same land, or parts of sam > (b) = land rented > > "All 4 are for John "bhymer", wife Anne, and son, Samuel, > who was likely 21 years in 1773 (born 1752). John & Anne > born by 1730. > > This land is located just below present Adams Co, PA.... > which was then in York Co, PA...York Co being where > the Weddles were. > > Sallye > > > Sallye > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Pickelheimer, B'Hymer, Beckelhymer, Picklesimon, Behimer, . . . . . . >

John You asked about land transactions in MD FREDRICK CO, MARYLAND (a) Book O Pg 660/1/2 - Nov 22, 1771/Aug 3, 1771 Richard and Mary Reynolds to JOHN PICKLEHAMMER, all of Fredrick Co, MD. Both "Farmers" Part of Tract "Resurvey on "Good Neighborhood", 447 acres. Wit: Jos Wood, Wm Price, Johann DWL Robboe PRINCE GEORGE CO, MD. (b) Book U, page 60/1/2/3/4 Oct 26, 1773/May 15/My 15, 1773 Alexander Thomas Hawkins, Planter, of Prince Geo Co to JOHN PICKLESHAMMER, and wife Anne, and son Samuel, "farmer" of Frederick Co. "Mary Peep of Day" 200 acres. Rent Wit: Thomas Gault Jr, Alex Howard Magruder FREDERICK CO, MD (c) Book 80, pg 51/2/3/4/5 Jan 14, 1775/Dec 19, 1774 JOHN BECKELHIMR to Henry Crawle & Joseph Boiler, all of Frederick Co, 290A sold, land colled "resurvey". (Crawle & Boiler--farmers) on Goodneighborhoos on Israel Ck, Anne Signs dower rights. ISRAEL CREEK (c) Becklehimer, "reedmaker" Part of Resurvey of Good Neighborhood, 297 acres, EXCEPT hay in Beckelhimer's meadow and right of way to Beckelhimers land and meadow. Beckelhimers wife...Anne Wit: Thomas Price, Wm. Beaty. FREDERICK CO, MD. (d) Book RP1, pg 376/7 May 13, 1778/ May 26, 1778 JOHN BCKELHIMER, reedmaker, to Peter Wetsell, "blacksmith", both of Frederick Co. 4 1/2 acres 19 pounds. Part of "Resurvey of Good Neighborhood" Wit: Upton/Elener Sheredin (Sheridin"), Jacob Young. (a), (c) (d) = same land, or parts of sam (b) = land rented "All 4 are for John "bhymer", wife Anne, and son, Samuel, who was likely 21 years in 1773 (born 1752). John & Anne born by 1730. This land is located just below present Adams Co, PA.... which was then in York Co, PA...York Co being where the Weddles were. Sallye Sallye

I haven't seen much information come across this mailing list on Anne, daughter of John, Sr who married a Beckett. I have a fair amount of data on Anne's sister, Elizabeth who married Melcher Waggoner, but not much on Anne. Can anyone help me out here? John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

FYI: ---------- > From: Jack & JoAnn Kester <kester@sprintmail.com> > To: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > Subject: Re: CUSTERS, HAUSERS, ETC > Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 8:48 PM > > If the Henry mentioned is a son of Emanuel Custer, a brother of Christian, > would make this Henry a nephew of Christian. I checked my FTM and found > that this Henry would be a 2nd cousin, once removed to the General. > > Your Christian is a 1st cousin, twice removed to the General. > > If you are interested, I am a 3rd cousin, three times removed to the > General. > > In my case. George's gr-grandfather is a brother to my 4th gr-grandfather. > > Aren't you sorry you asked? > > Your website is very interesting. Maybe someday I should do something like > that. Was it very difficult? > > Jo Kester > > kester@saber.udayton.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Tippet <johndoetippet@csi.com> > To: Jack & JoAnn Kester <kester@saber.udayton.edu> > Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: CUSTERS, HAUSERS, ETC > > > >Jo: > > > >I have a fair amount of data on Christian Custer, as I have been actively > >researing the Beckelhymer family for a long time. If you go to my web > >page: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/JohnDoeTippet/ you can look > >up what I have on him and Catherine. You should also join the Behymer > >mailing list, if you are interested in the Beckelhymer family. BTW: I ran > >across an article in the Clermont Courier that mentioned a Henry Custer, a > >cousin to General George Armstrong Custer. Can you confirm the tie-in to > >the general for Christian Custer? > > > >Regards... > > > >John Charles Tippet > >JohnDoeTippet@csi.com > > > >---------- > >> From: Jack & JoAnn Kester <kester@sprintmail.com> > >> To: OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: CUSTERS, HAUSERS, ETC > >> Date: Sunday, November 15, 1998 10:31 AM > >> > >> I am hoping there are folks on this list who are researching some or all > >of > >> the following names: > >> > >> CUSTER, HAUSER, MILLER, KESSLER, GERBER, GARVER, KERN, FRYBARGER, > >> MYERS,BECKELSHYMER, and maybe MARSTELLER > >> > >> > >> Johannes/John CUSTER b ca1736 PA, died 1812 Hamilton Co, OH > >> > >> married 31 Mar 1751 in Barren Hill, PA to Elizabeth HAUSER (no birth > >date) > >> . She died Feb, 1829 Clermont Co, OH > >> > >> children: > >> > >> Emanuel CUSTER b 1770 in VA died 1841 Goshen, Clermont, OH > >> married Elizabeth MILLER born 1777 NC and died 1857 in Goshen, > >Clermont, > >> OH > >> > >> Elizabeth never married > >> > >> Mary married John Kessler > >> > >> Susannah married 1. ? Gerber 2. Joseph Kessler > >> > >> Sarah married ? Kern > >> > >> Rachel married 23 Apr 1803 in Clermont Co Lewis Frybarger. Did he have a > >> sister Eve who married Jacob Myers? > >> > >> Paul married Mary Garver (my 3rd gr-grandparents) > >> > >> Christian married 12 Dec 1812 in Clermont Co Catherine Beckleshymer > >> > >> > >> Burials in Clermont Co are at Myers Cem in Goshen. Was the cemetery > >named > >> for Jacob Myers? > >> > >> Morgan Raid Claims: > >> > >> John Custer, Sr living in Mulberry 5 horses and 1 mule $700 > >> > >> Joseph Custer in Goshen 1 horse $185 > >> > >> Looking forward to anyone searching these names. > >> > >> Jo Kester > >> > >> kesterQ@saber.udayton.edu > >> > > > > > > >