I went searching for an ancestor, I cannot find him still, He moved around from place to place and did not leave a Will. He married where a courthouse burned. He mended all his fences, He avoided any man who came to take the U.S. census. He always kept his luggage packed, this man who had no fame. And every 20 years or so, this rascal changed his name. His parents came from Europe. They should be upon some list of passengers to U.S.A, but somehow they got missed. And no one else in this world is searching for this man, So, I play geneasolitaire to find him if I can. I'm told he's buried in a plot, with tombstone he was blessed; but the weather took engraving, and some vandals too the rest. He died before the country clerks decided to keep records, No Family Bible has emerged, in spite of all my efforts. To top it off this ancestor, who caused me many groans, Just to give me one more pain, bethrothed a girl named JONES. (by Merrel Kenworthy) A MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EACH ONE OF YOU IN THE GROUP, AND A HAPPY, PEACEFUL, AND HEALTHY NEW YEAR , AND MAY YOU FIND ALL YOUR BEHYMER RELATIVES NEXT YEAR. Sallye Gundy Martin 1998

Our homepage with our BEHYMER line is under BARGER section of our page click on http://members.truepath.com/beverly/index.html when colored page comes up click on BARGER when BARGER page comes up scroll down generations. Feliz Navidad from New Mexico Beverly (HIMES) BARGER

I just sent out a request to the Fulton County, IL Court House to obtain copies of pre-1900 land transactions and any wills for the surname Beckelshymer. I'll let you know what I find. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com

Hi, y'all Some time back I sent a "funny" to this list, something about "you know you're an internet junkie..." or words to that effect. It included such items as "you get up to take a leak and check to see if you have new e-mail..." And "you named your daughter "dot com", etc. I've lost this document! Does anyone here still have a copy? Warmest wishes to all for a happy holiday season. Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

I found Catherine Picklesimer borned 1804 married 18-12-1824 Joseph Gearhart on the Fiche Files at the LDS Center. Batch # 6010117 Serial Sheet #90. I got there marriage licience from Floyd Co Ky. and it says Pickle and I want to know why the LDS put Picklesimer. Problem the LDS center near my home has closed for a year for remodeling. If anyone goes to the LDS center and finds a marriage or birth on the fiche files it cost 15 cents each minium of two dollars. I would be glad to send two dollars for Catherine and Joseph and you could use the rest on your Family. I have searched every where for Catherine Picklesimer PARENTS. I still believe this is the unnamed Daughter of Abraham & Elizabeth Picklesimer borned in Franklin Co. Va. The unnamed Child is on page 92 and 94 of the Picklesimer. Any help would be very much appreciated. Happy Holidays. > Brenda C. Danials 561 Bulger Av Fostoria, Ohio 44830 419-435-0087 Email bcd17577@bright.net Member & Volunteer- Knott County Historical & Genealogical Society & Library INFORMATION- David Smith 606-785-5751 Email knothist@tgtel.com

Jerilyn: There are a lot of people on the Behymer list who I know would be very interested if a volunteer could locate the grave of John and Barbara Behymer. John died on 9 Nov 1812 and Barbara on 25 Apr 1831. The DAR many years ago recorded that these two were buried "on the hillside opposite the Pierce township cemetery." The DAR listed John's wife as Sarah A, but I believe the headstone was not too legible and the name should have been Barbara. This site may also be known as the old Nash Farm Cemetery. I would very much like to get a picture of their headstones. If you find any volunteers to help in this regard, we would be very appreciative. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com ---------- > From: Jerilyn Johnson <jaibird@infocom.com> > To: OHCLERMO-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: People for Lookups > Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 12:20 PM > > I'm looking for people who are willing to do lookups for people. Let me > know if you can and what you have. I believe it will help our webpage > tremendously. I will do lookups on > Early Clermont Marriages > Mt. Holly Cemetery > Old Hopewell Church Cemetery > Goshen Cemetery > The Moore Cemetery-East Fork Rd near the Old Mill (1955) > Union Cemetery > Apple-German-Old Olive Br Cem > Greenbriar Cemetery > The Old Village Graveyard > History of Clermont and Brown County Lookups (as long as Uncle Butch > lets me keep the book for a while) *giggle* > > Jerilyn > >

>Haven't seen any talk on the list, just checking to see if this message >comes through. Suppose everyone is just too busy with the holidays. >MERRY CHRISTMAS! > >Linda Everyone is watching the impeachment proceedings, of course. Fun stuff! :{ Tom Tom Robison Ossian, Indiana tcrobi@adamswells.com Never forget the importance of history. To know nothing of what happened before you took your place on earth, is to remain a child forever. [unknown]

Haven't seen any talk on the list, just checking to see if this message comes through. Suppose everyone is just too busy with the holidays. MERRY CHRISTMAS! Linda

In a message dated 12/18/98 4:06:53 AM, ladkinso@seidata.com writes: <<Haven't seen any talk on the list, just checking to see if this message comes through. Suppose everyone is just too busy with the holidays. MERRY CHRISTMAS! Linda >> I am sure that is what is happening! This message is to wish a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to ALL of our cousins! Cathy (Behymer) Silva

Dear Behymer/Picklesimer/etc. Researchers: Rootsweb has just announced that they have closed all lists to nonsubscribers. This means that only those who have subscribed to the list may post messages to it. The reason is due to the large amount of spam that is currently being posted. That is, messages soliciting products or asking for money. Our list was already closed and you shouldn't have been receiving those messages for several months now. However, I receive all posted messages and there has been a lot of spam. Yesterday there were 6 messages suggesting websites with pornographic content sent to our list, but Rootsweb caught them and they were not posted to the list. If you are subscribed to the list under one email address and post from another email address, please let me know. There are some things I can do to keep your messages from bouncing. There should be no interruption of service for our list. Business will go on as usual. Happy Holidays! Twila, Listowner

This is correct. He was my grandfather. Marion vonBeck

Sal, I have the following for the death of Bennett: * MICHAEL BEHYMER BIBLE BENNETT BEHYMER B: 20AUG1852 D: 06DEC1938. *1900 OH CLERMONT, MONUMENT INSCRIPTIONS PRIOR TO: V7P22 BENNETT BEHYMER B: 20AUG1852 D: 1938 AMELIA CEM. Hope this helps. Rob SalGundy@aol.com wrote: > > Marion, > Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner. Apparently there are no > descendants of the family in this Behymer group. This is not my > family, but have a bit on Joel's family. > I also have Joel's Bible records as well as Michael's Bible records. > The Geo Washington was a brother to Bennett. He marr a Sarah > Bell Riles. > Bennett (as my records indicate) had 6 children. > 1) Clara Raye; 2) Edgar Allen; 3) Ruth L; 4)Geo Wash-1896; > 5) Roscoe C; 6) Mary Catherine. > > BENNETT T BEHYMER > B. 1852.Aug.20 OH.Clermont > m 1887.Oct.12 OH.Clermont > d. 1932.Dec.06 OH.Clermont; Bur Amelia 100F cem > FATHER: Michael Behymer > MOTHER: Mary Ann Archer > > ROSE BELL NASH > b. 1863.Nov.06 > d. abt 1943 OH.Clermont.Bur Amelia 100F cem > FATHER; > MOTHER; > > children > 1. CLARA RAYE BEHYMER > b. 1889.Mar.22 OH.Clermont.Pierce > d. > m, HOWARD AYERS...after 1910 > > 2. EDGAR ALLEN BEHYMER > b. 1891.Dec.12 OH.Clermont > d. 1893.Feb.13 OH.Clermont, Amelia 100F Cem > > 3. RUTH L. BEHYMER > b. 1894.Jul.21 OH.Clermont.Pierce > d. 1921.May.23 OH.Clermont.Amelia 100F cem > > 4. GEORGE WASHINGTON BEHYMER > b. 1896.Dec.24 OH.Clermont.Pierce > d. > m. Hazel Alma Brown...bef 1910...she d. 1957.Feb.21 Mt.MorahCem > > 5. ROSCOE C. BEHYMER > b. 1901.Jan.08 OH.Clermont.Pierce > d. > m. > > 6. MARY CATHERINE BEHYMER > b. 1906.Aug.04 OH.Clermont.Pierce > > 1900 & 1910 OH.Clermont census > Oh Clermont Court Births > OH Death court records > > I got this far, but hadn't done much over the last 10 years. If > you have anything else on your family, would love to update > this. > > Do you want some of the other children of Joel? If you do, let > me know. > > Sallye Gundy Martin > 9819 Shadow Way > Sunland, LA Co, CA 91040-1543 > 818-352-3097 > > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Picklesimer, P'Simer, Pickelsheimer, Simer, Picklesimon, . . . . . .

Sallye, John and anyone interested, Today I got the death certificate of William BEHYMER, son of Louis and Mary Woods BEHYMER (wonder if this is same as Lewis and Hester B. or is this someone else? It gives Full name as William without a middle initial, states that he is widowed. I'll send copies to anyone who wants one, here it is: Place of Death: Hamilton County City of: Cincinnati, Cincinnati General Hospital. Full name: William Behymer, male, white, widowed. Date of Birth: April 15, 1860, age 55 yrs. 3 mos. Occupation: blank General nature of industry, business, etc. : communication or possibly commission man? Birthplace: USA Father: Louis Behymer Maiden name of mother: Mary Woods Birthplace of mother: USA Signed by informant A. C. Bachmeyer?, Supt. Cincinnati General Hosp. per Cin.? Filed: July 15, 1915 Signed by Registrar E. Walter Evans. Date of death: July 14, 1915 "I hereby certify, that I attended deceased from Apr. 22, 1915 to July 14, 1915, that the last time I saw him alive was July 14, 1915, and that death occurred, on the date stated above, at 7:45 AM. The cause of death was as follows: Hemothorax, Lung tumor (Sarcoma?), Testicular Sarcoma, metastasis in mesenteric node, Hemorrhagic colitis. Contributory (secondary): chronic diffuse nephritis, cirrhosis of liver." Signed: Thos. H. Kelly? M.D., July 14, 1915 Address: Cincinnati General Hospital. Length of Residence (for hospitals, institutions, transients of recent residents): At place of death: 0 yrs, 2 mo. 21 da. In the state: blank Where was disease contracted, if not at place of death? 1432 Race St., usual residence: 1432 Race St. (possibly Rose St. but looks like Race.) Place of burial or removal: Mt. Moriah Date of burial: July 16, 1915. Undertaker: J. J. Radel ? Address: 652 State Ave. Does anyone know if this is the William who married Matilda "Tillie" Martin and had children Bertha, Mame, Anna, Maning, Lee, Neomi, Rachael, Edith and Charles? Thanks for your help. Linda

Does anyone have any information on William BEHYMER, son of Jacob M. BEHYMER and Harriet L. DURHAM, from the family of Jacob and Elizabeth France BEHYMER? I am trying to find the parents of William W. BEHYMER, born in Clermont Co. in 1860, married in Campbell Co. KY to Matilda "Tillie" Martin on 26 July 1880. They resided in Clermont Co. after marriage and had children Bertha, Anna, Maning, Nomie, Frederick Lee, Rachael, Edith and Charles. I believe my great grandfather William W. is either the son of Lewis and Hester Woods BEHYMER, or possibly son of this Jacob and Harriet BEHYMER. Can anyone help? Linda

Kay, Jesse Beckelhymer, born Sep 7, 1818 Clermont Co, OH. marr Rebecca Beckelshymer, dau of John and Anna (Henry) Beckelshymer on Jan 17, 1841 Fulton, IL. Jesse died Dec 30, 1903 Bethany, Lincoln, Lancaster, NE and is buried in Havelock Cem (i believe) Rebecca died Aug 20, 1915 same place, bur same cem. I believe they had 13 children. I am particularly interested in Jesse, being a son of John Beckelhymer. and Charity. Can you tell me how you got this information? I would be glad to give you further information on this family, I have corresponded with a couple of their descendants. Please let me hear from you. I am a descendant of John and Barbara Weddle Behymer of Clermont Co, OH, and have been trying to find their son John. (originally Franklin Co, VA). A group of us have a website re the Beckelhymers. Sallye Gundy Martin

Sallye: Regarding the infant heirs of John Beckelshymer: I have copies of some probate records from Fulton County, IL that indicate the following: (1) State of Illinois, Fulton County - "Henry Beckelshymer being first duly sworn deposed and on oath says that Lewis Beckelshymer and Charlotte Beckelshymer are infant heirs of Charles Beckelshymer late of Indiana deceased and now reside there." Subscribed and sworn to before me this 20th day of June in 1849 (2) Beckelshymer and Davis Vs Henry Beckelshymer et al, In Chancery No 42 - "In this case Henry Beckelshymer Benjamin Beckelshymer Alexander Beckelshymer Lemuel Beckelshymer Samuel Guthrie Catharine Guthrie Jesse Beckelshymer Rebecca Beckelshymer having been served with legal process and having been solemnly called in open Court came not. It is ordered that the Bill be taken and confessed as to them and that N. L. Gordon? be appointed Guardian ad litem for Lewis Beckelshymer Charlotte Beckelshymer Diantha Beckelshymer Charles Beckelshymer and Hezekiah Beckelshymer infant heirs of John Beckelshymer deceased and that this case be continued with an order of Publication as to ? resident defendants. Wm A. Minshall (3) State of Illinois, Fulton County, Thomas Beckelshymer and William David Vs Henry Beckelshymer and other heirs of John Beckelshymer deceased - "This day this cause coming in to be heard and it appearing to the Court that all the said defendants have been duly served with process except Lewis Beckelshymer Charlotte Beckelshymer Diantha Beckelshymer Charles Beckelshymer and Hezekiah Beckelshymer who are infants out of the state and that as to them due publication has been made and it also appearing that all the said defendants have been called in open Court (except said infants who have been answered by their Guardian ad Litem) and that they have made default. And the Court having now examined the proofs and exhibits in this case produced and being sufficiently advised in the matters and being of the opinion that the said complainants are entitled for the relief prayed for in their said Bill of Complaint. It is therefore ordered, adjudged and decreed that the said matter in Chancery in and for Fulton County make and execute and deliver to the complainants a Deed to the premises set forth in said Bill that is to say the North East Qr of Section Nine T. Three North Range Three East situate in Fulton County Illinois. Conveying to them all the interest of which the said John Beckelshymer died seized in the said premises and make report of his doings at the next term of this Court." Wm Kellogg >From the above, I conclude that: (1) Lewis and Charlotte Beckelshymer were children of Charles Beckelshymer and Ann Briney (2) Diantha, Charles and Hezekiah Beckelshymer were likely children of Andrew Beckelshymer and Elizabeth Briney I hope this clears up the confusion. John Charles Tippet JohnDoeTippet@csi.com P.S. (1) Samuel Guthrie married 1st Catharine Beckelshymer on 13 Aug 1829 and 2nd Sophia Laws on 16 Dec 1831, both in Lawrence County, IN. Cliff, you indicate that Catharine died on 10 Aug 1870. If this is the case, then it appears that she must have divorced Samuel Guthrie. Can you clarify? Where did she die? Where does your information come from? (2) Also married in Lawrence County, IN were: Catherine Bekymer (sic) to Noah M. Matheney on 4 Jul 1839. Was this Catherine's 2nd marriage after having divorced Samuel Guthrie? (3) Ann Beckelshymer married married James Litton on 22 Nov 1835 in Lawrence County, IN. Does anyone know how Ann is related to John Beckelshymer? Is she a daughter? (4) Martin Beckelshymer married Caroline Cummings on 22 Sep 1839 in Lawrence County, IN. Does anyone know how Martin is related to John Beckelshymer? Is he a son? ---------- > From: SalGundy@aol.com > To: BEHYMER-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: HEZIKIAH, CHARLES, LEWIS, DIANTHA & CHARLOTTE > Date: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:54 AM > > Cliff > Rec your letter on the JOHN L BECKELHYMER family. To answer > your questions.... > > 1. As far as Willard being marr to a Nancy Martin...I do not show > where I got that information . Must have received it from some > where, just have no idea. > > 2. The above kids as shown in subject...I believe John Tippet said > they were infant heirs of Charles and Ann Briney. At least that > is where I put them with a note showing from John. > > JOHN...better clarify this for both of us, p l e a s e > > Cliff...I mailed the probate papers to you, hope you got them. I have > noted all your information on John L's family on my FRS. Thanks a > lot. > > Sallye > > > ==== BEHYMER Mailing List ==== > What's in a name? That which we call a rose by any other > name would smell as sweet--Shakespeare > Bechtolsheimer, Beckelhimer, P.Simer, Becklehamer, Behymer, . . . . . . >

Please excuse, ignore, disregard and delete the following if you have no interest in this subject: Lyndon LaRouche wants it known that he insists that President Clinton should {cancel} his scheduled trip to the Middle East, because of the danger that the Israeli secret services will kill him (as they have so many), in order to make Gore the President. We must keep attacking Gore. With the dangerous combination of impeachment hype and a possible Israeli secret service assassination, you could be saying "President Gore," a lot sooner than you think. The Zionist lobby, right-wing Israelis and the British, who are behind the impeachment, are the same people behind Gore. And Clinton's decision to go to Israel, when he has no reason to go, may be a determining point in history. Our Gore dossier will show that Albert Gore, Jr., has been trained and deployed since childhood, as a sort of robot-destroyer against the nation-state, U.S. sovereignty, constituency politics, and, indeed, all the progress achieved by the Golden Renaissance. On that latter point, the principal graphic in Gore's book, {Earth in the Balance}, a chart which he has displayed in countless lectures since, is the same chart LaRouche uses to show the take-off of population beginning with the Renaissance. But Gore uses it to say that that population growth, and the Renaissance which made it possible, should be reversed. That same book features the detail of Raphael's "The School of Athens" fresco, which LaRouche made the cover of his report on the "Secrets Known Only to the Inner Elite." It depicts the fight between Plato and Aristotle. But Gore's point is that it was Plato who caused the problems of subsequent civilization, by placing man above nature. On this level of genocidal "cultural warfare," Gore founded and led the Congressional Clearinghouse on the Future, which bragged about its close ties to the Club of Rome, and listed its key advisors as futurologist Alvin Toffler, {Small is Beautiful} author Schumacher, Club of Rome {Limits of Growth} author Jay Forrester, Aquarian kook cultist Barbara Marx Hubbard, Hazel Henderson, and "new age" guru Willis Harman, the creator of Charles Manson. When Gore was chairing the CCF in the late 1970s and early 1980s, Newt Gingrich sat on its executive committee. In fact, Gingrich was Gore's closest friend in the Congress. No surprise -- don't they agree on all the essentials? At the same time, Gore was the puppet of the evil Armand Hammer, who owned him just as he had earlier purchased his father, and of the most evil parts of the FBI and Department of Justice. Gore has not limited himself to cultural warfare; he has long been intimately involved with the "wetworks" of frameup and assassination as well. Gore started his career in operation "Fruehmenschen" as a young "journalist" in Nashville when he was in his twenties. One of his early collaborators, was DOJ "Fruehmenschen" operative Hickman Ewing, who, more recently, has been the number one responsible for framing up President Clinton, out of Kenneth Starr's office. Dec. 8 -- CLINTON IS IN DANGER IN ISRAEL. According to an Arab source briefed on the Times story about security dangers to Clinton, the danger is very real. He cited a report on CNN, according to which Israeli Foreign Minister and butcher Ariel Sharon, had said he thought it "would be better" for Clinton to postpone his trip. Sharon said it was "not the best time" to visit now. The source characterized this as a "veiled threat." He added, that if anything were to happen to Clinton, it would have to be as a result of an action organized by the Israeli government. He said, it could be arranged through the Mossad, and blamed on some "rogue element." He stressed that security precautions taken by the Palestinian Authority, for Clinton's scheduled visit to Gaza, are massive. [Source: EIR discussion with Israeli strategist at Hebrew University] WIESBADEN, Dec. 8 (EIRNS)--IS THE SAME "RIGHTWING CRAZY" CROWD THAT KILLED YITZHAK RABIN PLANNING AN ATTACK ON PRESIDENT CLINTON? Said this source, during a discussion of the upcoming Clinton visit to the Middle East: "I would not be surprised, if among the crazy right wing people, there is talk, planning, dreaming, maybe more active things, against President Clinton. As long as this country continues to occupy the occupied territories, there is a war of all against all in Israel. I would not be one bit surprised, under these circumstances, that certain people may attempt to do away with Clinton. After all, these people did kill Rabin. I take this matter very seriously indeed, although I lack any detailed information. That is the job of our dear security services." He noted that, following the Wye River agreement, Bibi Netanyahu was hoping that the main purpose of Clinton's visit would be to witness the Palestine National Congress renouncing their charter calling for the destruction of Israel. But since then, Netanyahu, in order to hold his government together, has refused to implement the Wye accords. Now, "Netanyahu wishes Mr. Clinton to the devil. Mr. Clinton is in his way " He doubts, however, that Netanyahu would dare to launch a war, since "80% of the Israeli population wants to live in peace, and is dead set against further casualties." [Source: EIR discussion with senior Russian Orientalist] WIESBADEN, Dec. 8 (EIRNS)--"THE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT PRESIDENT CLINTON`S UPCOMING MIDDLE EAST VISIT IS, WILL HE GO OR NOT? I THINK HE WILL NOT COME," said this source. "Netanyahu has hinted that it would be better if Clinton stayed at home. I see the visit as useless, and dangerous. If it were dangerous and useful, that would be different, but why go under these circumstances? Obviously, there is a threat to his life. So why go?" Dec, 8--IS FRANK GAFFFNEY AND THE CENTER OF SECURITY POLICY PART OF THE THREAT TO PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE MIDDLE EAST? On December 7, Frank Gaffney, director of the so-called Center for Security Policy, participated in a radio broadcast that fanatically accused President Clinton's efforts to achieve peace between Israel and Palestine as a security threat to Israel. Gaffney was on the WAVA FM at approximately the same time that Ariel Sharon was in Washington holding meetings and press conference to get out the line that the Palestinians have launched a new wave of violence and terrorism against Israel. Gaffney's outfit is essentially a "digestive tract" for policies cooked by his former boss at the Defense Dept., Richard Perle, the suspected controller of convicted spy Jonathon Pollard as part of the "X Committee", as the network of "Mr. X" Israeli moles are known in U.S., and a network of other high-level "asteroids" of the intelligence staff that worked for George Bush under Executive Order 12333. EIR recently learned that both Henry Hyde, who is pushing the impeachment of President Clinton despite opposition from his own party and from the American population; and Bob Livingston, the new Speaker of the House are on the Advisory Board of Gaffney's front group. Also on the board are Perle; Kenneth DeGraffenreid, the actual author of E.O. 12333, and the Heritage Foundation/Mont Pelerin head Ed Feulner. Funding this nest of maniacs is the financier of the impeachment process, Richard Mellon Scaife. This Perle/Gaffney network, hooked into the Ariel Sharon killing machine, has run cover for the Israeli fundamentalist crazies that pulled off the murder of Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin in 1995.

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_913170328_boundary Content-ID: <0_913170328@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII I thought this was interesting enough to share. Deanna --part0_913170328_boundary Content-ID: <0_913170328@inet_out.mail.prodigy.net.2> Content-type: message/rfc822 Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Content-disposition: inline Return-Path: <KINZER-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from rly-za05.mx.aol.com (rly-za05.mail.aol.com [172.31.36.101]) by air-za05.mail.aol.com (v53.20) with SMTP; Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:17:25 1900 Received: from bl-30.rootsweb.com (bl-30.rootsweb.com [207.113.245.30]) by rly-za05.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.8.5/AOL-4.0.0) with ESMTP id VAA15361; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 21:17:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-30.rootsweb.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id SAA27382; Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:15:33 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:15:33 -0800 (PST) From: Angel329@prodigy.net Message-ID: <015801be2315$58fe51a0$ce1a9cd1@angel29.gte.net> Old-To: <KINZER-L@ROOTSWEB.COM> Subject: VA Germans Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 20:40:54 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Resent-Message-ID: <"3D-tWB.A.trG.B1db2"@bl-30.rootsweb.com> To: KINZER-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: KINZER-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <KINZER-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/14 X-Loop: KINZER-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: KINZER-L-request@rootsweb.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Dear Listers, Here is a narrative that I found very important. It relates to our Kinzer= s (of course, all spellings!!) and most of our collateral families. I thought it would be important to forward and share with you all on our early German ancestors. Diana Kinzer Heath THE VIRGINIA GERMANS pg. 28 The logical chain of planning, however, was broken by unforeseen events As inaccessible as the Valley looked from the east, it was an inviting path for those moving from north to south. The wilderness offered few other highways so well laid out by nature. Where Indians had traced out the natural course, with easily fordable streams to cross and few hill= s to surmount, traders and travelers hardy enough to brave the solitude found ready passage. From the Potomac an southward, the Valley continues as a natural road into the Carolinas, and on through Cumberland Gap into Kentucky Early contacts with Indians along the Pennsylvania frontier explain the knowledge inhabitants of Penn's colony had gained about this north-south route. Hunters and traders on this trail could not help being impressed by the lands they saw. The immediate interest of numerous Germans in the reports from the Virginia hinterland was not quite adventitious In a sense, the tide of German migration was just then headin= g in the direction from where the tidings of fertile land came From 1683 onward, Germans had been emigrating to Pennsylvania At first they occupied land around Philadelphia, but within a few years after the turn o= f the century their numbers increased so much by new immigration and by the exodus of many others from the New York frontier that they soon swarmed all over the fertile limestone soil of eastern Pennsylvania. As thousands more were arriving every year from Germany and Switzerland, settlement proceeded in a southwesterly direction until by 1720 it reached the Susquehanna, where it came to a temporary halt. Only a few years later= , Germans began to cross the broad river, and as land prices in Pennsylvania showed a rapid upward trend, they followed the Monocacy trail through Maryland to the Potomac. THE VIRGINIA GERMANS pg. 38 Nor did the German migration stop at the southern end of the Shenandoah Valley. The Scotch-Irish were nor alone in pushing on southward and westward. Their predominance in the southern valleys did not deter many Germans from venturing into the "Irish Tract" and beyond. Early pioneers on the Virginia frontier showed much more readiness to intermingle than the solidification of ethnic areas in later years leads one to believe. During the first decades, settlement was in no way final for many people: names which appear in the thirties in the Shenandoah Valley are encountered in southwestern Virginia in subsequent years. There was a considerable strain between the attachment to the land they tilled and the lure of bett= er land still farther away. Many Germans succumbed to the temptation to continue their wanderings. Willing to forgo the convenience of having neighbors of their own language and faith, individuals wandered forth into the far-off river valleys in search of unknown and isolated places which could be appropriated. Family groups scouted for rich bottom land that could provide ideal fields and pastures. In the Southwest land was still available for the asking while contentions over titles, such as existed ov= er the Hite grant, made some of the Shenandoah lands unattractive to newcomers. Among the Scotch-Irish on the James and Roanoke rivers and their tributaries, German names began to appear. In 1740 John Peter Saling settled in the first fork of James River below Natural Bridge. Christopher Zimmerman obtained a 400-acre grant in the James River country in June 1743. John Miller (Johannes M=FCller) built th= e first mill at present-day Fincastle. It was operating when Colonel John Buchanan visited Miller in October 1745. Peter Kinder (G=FCnther) came to the Roanoke soon after 1740 and made his home on what became known as Peter's Creek. Tobias and Erich Bright (Brecht) settled between Pearls and Brush Mountains on the North Fork of the Roanoke About 1746 Stephen Holston (Holstein) built his cabin at the head springs of the river which bears his name to this day. Between the years 1743 and 1745 several German family groups moved southward through the Shenandoah Valley and the James River country. They bypassed the settled areas, crossed the dividing ridge to the valleys of the western waters, and settled on apparently unclaimed land. *pg. 39 When James Patton and others, to whom 100,000 acres had been granted on the three branches of the Mississippi River, sent a surveyor into the New River country, he found several groups of people already seated there, among them two distinct German neighborhoods. Adam Harman (Henrich Adam Hermann), a Shenandoah settler of 1736, had led the first group, many of them his relatives, to the New River about 1743. They occupied the horseshoe bottoms along the western bank. More Germans from the Shenandoah and from Pennsylvania joined the Harman group until the most fertile sections along the dyer were taken up and the settlement spread north over the plateau beyond Price's Fork and west into present Giles County. In the autumn of 1745 Israel and Samuel Eckerlin and Alexander Mack, Jr, disgruntled leaders of the Sabbatarian cloisters at Ephrata, Pennsylvania, arrived on New River and established Mahanaim, a religious colony which attracted many other Ephrata Brethren and kindred spirits. First conceived as a secluded refuge for celibate Sabbatarians, the assembly of log cabins on Dunkard's Bottom, a few miles south of present-day Radford, was soon surrounded by the farms of Dunker families, the "householders" of the Sabbatarian order. Some of these Dunkers also lived an Sinking Creek. Their presence naturally aroused much curiosity on the frontier. By October 1745 the Woods River Company sent John Buchanan out to arrange far the terms of their land. At William Mack's cabin he encountere= d the first long beard... Thomas Walker visited Mahanaim in April 1750 and left a vivid description of this "odd set of people who mate it a matter of Religion not to Shave their Beards, b an Bees, or eat Flesh, though at present, in the Last, they transgress, being constrained to it as they say, by the want of sufficienc= y of Gram and Roots, they having not long been seated here I doubt the plenty and deliciousness of the Venison and Turkeys has contributed not a little to this. The unmarried have no private property, but live on a common Stock. They don't baptize either Young or Old, they Keep their Sabbath on Saturdays, and hold that all their men shall be happy hereafter but first must pass through punishment according to their Sins. They are very hospitable." The Swedish clergyman Israel Acrelius noted in one of his reports that the New River Sabbatarians did not build community houses as in Ephrata but "dwell in separate houses, but in one neighborhood, and so by themselves that they neither help nor desire help from other people. pg. 41 While he carried on an extensive trade with the Cherokees, he also contracted the hatred of other Indians in the area. Samuel Stalnaker left the New River community and moved his family westward in order to be closer to his trading partners. In April 1748 Dr. Thomas Walker, then on one of his surveying tours, met Stalnaker between Reedy Creek and Holston River. The German was on his way to the Cherokees. During this encounter, Stalnaker is credited with having indicated to Walker where the Cumberland Gap is located, a road which was then still unknown to Virginians. The two met again in 1750 when Samuel and Adam Stalnaker had moved to the north side of the Holston. Walker came upon their camp in March and he and his party helped Stalnaker raise his house. On Fly and Jefferson's map of 1751, the German's place is shown as the extreme western habitation in Virginia. Stalnaker's renown as a frontiersman spread throughout the colony. Governor Dinwiddie soon would have reasons to avail himself of the services of this man "well acquainted with the woods, and a good Pilot or Guide upon occasion. For a number of years, the Harman clan on New River carried on daring hunting expeditions into the mountains to supply their extensive trade in furs and skins. At least seven brothers of this family came to Virginia in the 1730'9 and early 1740's Their favorite hunting region lay along Bluestone River deep in the mountains where they obtained a grant for 15,000 acres o= f land in 1750. pg. 69 Wherever Germans formed the majority of inhabitants, the landscape soon bore the stamp of their agricultural skill. A pamphlet on Virginia, published in Germany in 1772, said of the Valley: "There are now seated a great number of Germans who grow considerable quantities of good wheat, rye, barley, oats, hemp and flax, and they keep much livestock so that thi= s Province is now acquiring a very beautiful aspect." pg. 102 THE VIRGINIA GERMANS was unrest among the Germans, Hodson sensed: "They are evidently beginning to feel the inconveniences which drove their fathers further west, and will, probably, gradually imitate their example, in spite of the= ir old steady German habits." Some years later, in 1837. the young Lutheran minister Henry Wetzel wrote from Rural Retreat: "Our friends are nearly al= l selling off, and some have sold, among them same old people, and intend to remove to the west." Notwithstanding a considerable exodus, which was quickened by serious internal dissensions in the German churches, a substantial number of the descendants remained in Wythe or spread into adjacent counties In 1852, a newly arrived German immigrant, Louis Heuser, marveled at the farms near Wytheville "inhabited by German-speaking Pennsylvanians. They were all born in America and speak but a poor German."' The original Wythe settlement overflowed early beyond the present county lines to the south, west, and north. On Elk Creek in Grayson County, German farmers organized a union church which, however, faded out of existence in the first half of the nineteenth century." Many of the first settlers of Bland County were Germans coming either across Walker's Mountain from Wythe or up Walker's Creek from the New River neighborhoods. Sharon Lutheran Church near Ceres was the center of a farm community that developed along the headwaters of the North Fork of the Holston. Other Germans located on Walker and Kimberling creeks. In Tazewell County, migration followed the head branches of the Clinch River. In 1771 three brothers of the Harman family from New River, Mathias, Henry, and Jacob, already made their homes near the sire of Jeffersonville= .The first court in Tazewell was held in June 1800 in the large log house o= f Henry Harman, Jr. The ovally shaped basin of Burke's Garden was largely settled by German farmers Walled in by ridges rising to a thousand feet above the level bottom land, the Garden lent itself ideally to intensive farming and stock raising. There was a Lutheran church in Burke's Garden, and German itinerants served preaching points at Poor Valley southwest of the Garden and at Concord near Tazewell. The three forks of the Holston, the Clinch, and the Powell all received = a fair number of Germans. On the South Fork of the Holston, their names appeared in the land records from 1781 on. Adam Lerberber, Balzer Rouse, and Jacob Hartenstine were among the first to settle. Typical German neighborhoods evolved only along the Middle Fork in Smyth County. The Largest one, extending from Atkins to the county line on both sides of the river, supported two churches, Schneble's near Groseclose and St. Mark's near Atkins, both maintained jointly by Lutherans and Reformed. The old Chilhowie country, where Samuel pg 103 Stalnaker lived in colonial days. attracted a German colony centering around Ebenezer Church. The first landholders on the Middle Fork, during 1774-86, were Hunchrist and Conrad Carlock, Peter Harman, George Spangler, and Henry Kounts. Along the Holston's North Fork and in Rich Valley, Germans were well represented. The earliest land surveys date from 1774 for Frederick Gobble, Michael Hoffaker, and Gasper Mansaker. Other pioneers in Smyth and Washington counties were Caspar Fleenor, Peter and Jacob Spangler, Adam Deck, John Schafer, Peter M=FCnch, Frederick Koppenhafer, Peter Fuchs, John Hagey, Peter Groseclose, Jacob Bluebaugh, Christian Lutspike, and Anthony Horn. During the summer of 1805 Pastor Butler visited "divers streams of the Holstein River whereon many Germans are found living in various directions." In Smyth County, he preached to Germans gathered in the home of Philip Greever, and at Seven Mile Fort to "a cold and ignorant neighborhood" made up of sixteen German families. At Abington, Butler noted "only few Germans who have partly turned Presbyterians for want of a German preacher." Many of the Wythe and Holston families spread into Scott, Lee, Wise, Dickinson, Buchanan, and Russell counties. Susong, Blabough, Engle, Fleenor, Hinkle, Kaiser, Kinder, Snider, Spangler, Hunsaker, Kinser= , Rosenbaum, Brunk, Grabill, Hartsock, Rivercomb, Henderlite, Wassum, Copenhaver, Greever, and Carlock are names which all have a familiar ring in these westernmost counties of Virginia. When individuals and families moved on into the narrow valleys, they became dispersed and neither German churches nor schools emerged. Assimilation was an absolute necessity for them long before the communities in Wythe and Smyth gave up their cherished language and traditions The maps still witness the widespread infiltration of Germans. Olinger and Stickleyville, both in Lee County, Wampler, Honaker, and Repass in Russell County, Fleenor, Hanckel, Litz, and Neff in Washington, and Shraders, Snapp, Harman, and Groseclose in Tazewell are hamlets and neighborhoods whose names are traces of the extreme outposts of German settlement, Hess Hollow (Russell), Heniger Gap (Tazewell), Foglesong Valley (Bland), Shafer Creek (Lee), Bumgardner Branch (Washington), and Steffler Run (Smyth) are but a few examples of geographic reminders of the German share in the amalgam of the population of Appalachia. Virginia ports played only a very minor role in the mass immigration of the eighteenth century which provided the many German and Scotch-Irish settlers who peopled western lands. Most of the immigrants reached America through the port of Philadelphia. --part0_913170328_boundary--

Cliff Rec your letter on the JOHN L BECKELHYMER family. To answer your questions.... 1. As far as Willard being marr to a Nancy Martin...I do not show where I got that information . Must have received it from some where, just have no idea. 2. The above kids as shown in subject...I believe John Tippet said they were infant heirs of Charles and Ann Briney. At least that is where I put them with a note showing from John. JOHN...better clarify this for both of us, p l e a s e Cliff...I mailed the probate papers to you, hope you got them. I have noted all your information on John L's family on my FRS. Thanks a lot. Sallye

Hello All, This appears ro be Danita's line. The last I saw of her she was asking how to un-subscribe. Perhaps she will come out of retirement fo a close connection. One of the Clermont Co. Bunch, Helen