My g grandmother was Margaret (Maggie) Thornhill Allison. She had a sister, Ann. Ann was born 1849. They family came to TX from AR. Ann married a Beebe and she lived in Valley Mills, Bosque County, TX. Valley Mills is very near the Bosque and McLennan County line. Here is what I have on her. Ann or Lucy Ann or LeAnn - her name was Ann on census records but some letters she wrote indicate maybe LeAnn (Le) and perhaps Lucy Ann.... not sure. The Thornhill family was in Washington County, Mountain Township (1850) and West Fork Twp (1860) AR census. Ann the daughter of James and Leishia Hunter Thornhill. They migrated to TX, thru Tarrant County TX and to Bosque/McLennan County TX. By 1870 they are in TX so Ann would have been old enough to marry somewhere along the way. I do not know Mr. Beebe's first name. May 3, 1875 she writes letters (I believe from Bosque County) as Le A Beebe to Turner family in Tarrant County TX. In 1876 there is a fragment of a letter that I believe is hers and she says "married a month Orork (I think it is Oroark). There may be two children attached to Ann, Rhoda and Sallie. Don't know if these are Beebe or Oroark children. There is a Lucy Ann Oroark who died in Erath County, TX., 2-4-1924. The birth date of this person is the same year as Ann's birth. Ann was the oldest sister. Margaret and Mary Thornhill were twins, Ann's younger sisters. Margaret married George Sutton Allison. Mary married ??, she died in child birth and the child's name was William Clay. So I assume husband, ? Clay. Again Bosque/McLennan County TX. Wild post I know.... anyone recognize anyone?? Gil Allison

I'm sure all of you know this already, but I wanted to warn you if you didn't. The Snow White story that has been passed from HAHAHA is infected with a virus in the attactment Dwarf4U. Get rid of it fast. If I have passed this on I am truely sorry. Be sure to rid it from your deleted folder too. Kim I received this wriet up and thought it was interesting. Symantec AntiVirus Research Center (SARC) http://www.symantec.com/avcenter W95.Hybris.Plugin Discovered on: December 21, 2000 Last Updated on: January 25, 2001 at 12:28:33 PM PST W95.Hybris.plugin is a generic detection for any of the encrypted plug-ins that are downloaded by the W95.Hybris.gen worm. Category: Worm Virus Definitions: December 21, 2000 Threat Assessment: Wild: High Damage: Low Distribution: High Wild: Number of infections: 50 - 999 Number of sites: More than 10 Geographical distribution: Medium Threat containment: Moderate Removal: Moderate Technical description: After infecting a system, the W95.Hybris.gen worm attempts to connect to the newsgroup alt.comp.virus. If the worm connects successfully, it does the following: 1. Uploads its own encrypted plug-ins to this newsgroup. 2. Goes through the subject headers of the newsgroup messages, looks for other attached plug-ins, and tries to match a specific format. The subject header will specify the version number of the attached plug-in. 3. If a newer version of a plug-in is found, the worm downloads the more recent module and updates it's behavior. NOTE: There are numerous plug-ins available, and they have different characteristics. The most common one displays a large spiral that covers the Windows desktop and prevents you from using Windows. Another plug-in has similar behavior, but displays a solid black circle. The plug-ins may do one or more of the following: Generates a spiral image. Depending on system date and time (September 16 and 24, and on 59 minutes of each hour starting in 2001), the spiral image file is run. Upon execution, this plug-in initially loads OpenGL libraries that are used to display a large black and white spiral image. It also registers itself as a service, which prevents the process from being displayed in the Close Program dialog box. Infects DOS executable programs. The DOS .exe infection is a fairly simple dropping technique. The virus code is appended to the end of the file with a small 16-bit dropper routine. This routine creates a temporary file with an .exe extension in the \Temp folder, and then executes it. After that, the routine deletes the temporary executable. This infects the Wsock32.dll file with the worm. Infects PE executable programs. The PE executable has a much more complicated file infection routine. Only large PE files that have a code section long enough will be infected. The virus infection plug-in packs the original code area and overwrites it, if it will fit in the same place. This complicated antiheuristic infection technique is difficult (but not impossible) to repair. Currently SARC detects this plug-in as W95.Hybris.F. A removal tool has been created to remove this plug-in. Click here to obtain the W95.HybrisF fix tool. Infects all .zip and .rar archives on all available drives from C: to Z:. While infecting the .zip and .rar files, the worm renames .exe files in the archive to .ex$ extensions, and adds its copy of the worm to the archive with a .exe extension (this is the companion method of infection). Sends messages with encoded plug-ins to the alt.comp.virus newsgroup, and then gets new plug-ins from there. Spreads the worm to remote computers that are infected with the Backdoor.SubSeven Trojan. The plug-in detects such computers on the Web, and by using SubSeven commands, uploads a copy of the worm to the SubSeven infected computer. Encrypts worm copies with polymorphic encryption loop before sending the copy to others as an email attachment. Removal instructions: General removal instructions: 1. Run LiveUpdate to make sure that you have the most recent virus definitions. 2. Make sure that Norton AntiVirus is set to scan all files. 3. Restart the computer in Safe mode (Windows 95/98/Me). 4. Run a full system scan. If Norton AntiVirus detects W32.HybrisF, reboot into Normal mode and download and run the W95.HybrisF fix tool. This tool will repair any Windows executable files that have been infected by the W32.HybrisF.plugin. If Norton AntiVirus detects an infection other than W32.HybrisF, choose to repair any infected files. If Norton AntiVirus cannot repair the files, choose to delete them. 5. When the scan is finished, reboot into Normal Mode. Removal instructions for the black and white spiral or black circle: The spiral or circle loads from the run= line of the Win.ini file. In most cases, because the spiral will prevent you from opening programs, you need to: 1. Run LiveUpdate and run a full system scan. 2. Restart the computer in Safe mode. 3. Make sure Windows is set to show all files. 4. Remove the reference to the plug-in from the Run line of the Win.ini file. 5. Find and delete the plug-in itself. To update an scan: 1. Run LiveUpdate to make sure that you have the latest virus definitions. 2. Run a full system scan. To restart the computer in Safe mode: Windows 95: 1. Exit all programs. 2. Click Start, and then click Shut Down. The Shut Down Windows dialog box appears. 3. Click Restart, and then click OK. 4. When "Starting Windows 95..." appears on the screen, press F8. The Windows 95 Startup Menu appears. 5. Press the number that corresponds to Safe mode, and then press Enter. Windows will start in Safe mode. Windows 98: 1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. Type msconfig and then click OK. The System Configuration Utility dialog box appears. 3. Click Advanced on the General tab. 4. Check Enable Startup Menu, click OK, and then click OK again. 5. Exit all programs. 6. Click Start, and then click Shut Down. The Shut Down Windows dialog box appears. 7. Click Restart, and then click OK. The computer restarts. 8. When the Windows 95 Startup Menu appears, press the number that corresponds to Safe mode, and then press Enter. Windows will start in Safe mode. To set Windows to show all files: 1. Start Windows Explorer. 2. Click the View menu (Windows 95/98) or the Tools menu (Windows Me), and then click Options or Folder Options. 3. Click the View tab, and uncheck, if necessary, Hide file extensions for known file types. 4. Click Show all files and click OK. To edit the Win.ini file: 1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. Type sysedit and then click OK. 3. Click the title bar of the Win.ini file. 4. In the [windows] section, locate the Run= line, and note what follows the = sign. For example, you may see: run=C:\Windows\System\amiaamia.exe Write down the file name, for example, amiaamia.exe. 5. Place the cursor to the right of the = sign and delete the text that follows it. When finished, it should look like: run= 6. Click the File menu, and then click Exit. Click Yes when prompted to save changes. To delete the plug-in file: 1. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files or Folders. 2. Make sure that Look in is set to (C:) and that Include subfolders is checked. 3. In the Named box, type the file name that you wrote down in step 7. 4. Click Find Now. 5. When the file is found, select it, press Delete, and then click Yes to confirm. 6. Restart the computer in normal mode. NOTE: The file name that is referred to in step 7 is an example only. The plug-in that makes the entry in the Win.ini file creates a somewhat random file name. (It is not completely random, as multiple cases of the same file name have been reported.) The file name will usually consist of eight letters with the .exe extension. The name consists of a sequence of four letters which are then repeated. For example: Gbpkgbpk.exe Aboaaboa.exe Enpeenpe.exe Agaiagai.exe NOTE: For Windows 98 users only, if you used the Microsoft System Configuration Utility to enable the startup menu, then you can disable it at this time. Please follow these steps to do so: 1. Click Start, and then click Run. 2. Type msconfig and then click OK. The System Configuration Utility dialog box appears. 3. Click Advanced on the General tab. 4. Uncheck Enable Startup Menu, click OK, and then click OK again. 5. Restart the computer. If Norton AntiVirus continues to detect the plug-ins: If NAV continues to detect the plug-ins after the previous removal steps have been followed, please do the following: NOTE: You must be using NAV 5.0 or later. 1. Restart the computer in Safe mode. 2. Click Start, point to Find, and then click Files or Folders. 3. Make sure that Look in is set to (C:) and that Include subfolders is checked. 4. In the Named box, type the following and then click Find Now: wsock32.dll Windows will find the file and display it in the lower pane of the Find dialog box. 5. Right-click the Wsock32.dll file, and then click Copy. 6. Close the Find: All Files window. 7. Right-click the Windows desktop (or the folder of your choice) and then click Paste. 8. Start Norton AntiVirus and quarantine the new copy of the wsock32.dll and submit it to SARC for analysis using Scan and Deliver. 9. When you receive the automated reply, If SARC indicates that the file is not infected, then post a message to the Symantec Online Technical Support Virus Information discussion group at the following location: http://servicenews.symantec.com/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?group=symantec.support.generic.virus.general Please include the SARC tracking number as well as an explanation of what was done to remove the plug-in. Write-up by: Richard Cave

Hello, fellow listers, I was wondering if anyone out there might have some history on the famous Anne Oakley? I'm trying to track down a story my father told me several times to see if it is true or not about his grandmother and Anne Oakley. My father had claimed that his grandmother was a better shot with the gun than Anne Oakley. If it is true then I am a proud owner of a gun that should have gone to Anne Oakley but was beaten by my grandmother. Any help or suggestions on where to look? Kim Pollard

Reprinted with permission of Roy Eastes (see end of message) Hi Everyone! Happy New Year! This suggestion is not only for new family history researchers but it also serves to jiggle the minds of us old timers too! Let's all make a resolution to help eliminate errors in our family history In December 1999, I wrote the following article to help increase the awareness of the many pitfalls found in genealogical resources. I am submitting this again to remind us all of our responsibilities toward perpetuating the truth and accuracy in our historical records. (Reprint) HOW ACCURATE ARE OUR RECORDS? By LeRoy F. Eastes 3 December 1999 When we record our heritage we take great pride in looking at our list of ancestors and admire their origins, migrations and accomplishments. But, what good is it - unless it's true? In recent years there are more and more genealogical assumptions and misleading information being circulated due the coming of the internet. I know most of it is unintentional, as I have found myself guilty of doing the same thing in the past. This innocent practice comes about by picking up information that is not documented or if it is we don't check the validity of the references. Then with all good intentions, we record it and pass it on not knowing if it is true or not! An element of error has always existed in genealogical research. If we look closely at public documents, errors have been found in almost every type of legal record that ever existed. Wills, marriage, birth, land, court and military records. Many times these are the results of human error but some have been intentionally induced for a variety of personal reasons. The coming of the internet has been a great boon for genealogical research. At the same time it's multiplying errors and is out of control like a contagious disease. There are many individuals and organizations that collect files from donors everywhere they can be found, which in itself is fine. Unfortunately, not all of these records are correct. Many do not show any documentation, others are found with misleading and often inaccurate information and references. Also unfortunately, some researchers are too eager to grab the first thing that "sounds reasonable" and treat it as a gospel fact. These records are copied by the unwary, passed on to an untold number of others, accepted as fact and the problem is perpetuated into the future. . There is nothing wrong with recording and passing along estimates of dates, places and even theories and stories. This is where we find the key elements that lead to the true picture of the past. However, information of this nature must be recognized and treated as such by all of us. This is a very serious problem and recognized by the National Genealogical Society. They felt it to so important they published a Special Edition to their quarterly publication, titled, "Evidence" - Volume 87, 3 September 1999. The following are the Standards recommend by the Society and can be found on the internet at - http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ (I suggest everyone take a look at Consumer Relations while on this site) Standards For Sound Genealogical Research (Recommended by the National Genealogical Society) Remembering always that they are engaged in a quest for truth, family history researchers consistently - - record the source for each item of information they collect. - test every hypothesis or theory against credible evidence, and reject those that are not supported by the evidence. - seek original records, or reproduced images of them when there is reasonable assurance they have not been altered, as the basis for their research conclusions. - use compilations, communications and published works, whether paper or electronic, primarily for their value as guides to locating the original records. - state something as a fact only when it is supported by convincing evidence, and identify the evidence when communicating the fact to others. - limit with words like "probable" or "possible" any statement that is based on less than convincing evidence, and state the reasons for concluding that it is probable or possible. - avoid misleading other researchers by either intentionally or carelessly distributing or publishing inaccurate information. - state carefully and honestly the results of their own research, and acknowledge all use of others work. - recognize the collegial nature of genealogical research by making their work available to others through publication, or by placing copies in appropriate libraries or repositories, and by welcoming critical comment. - consider with open minds new evidence or the comments of others on their work and the conclusions they have reached. ©1997 by National Genealogical Society. Permission is granted to copy or publish this material provided it is reproduced in its entirety, including this notice This is followed by two more sections titled: - Standards for Using Records Repositories And Libraries. - Standards For Use Of Technology In Genealogical Research. I encourage everyone to consider these guide lines. All of us who are searching for our ancestors should make an attempt to minimize the possibility of errors. If we don't, our children's children will be led down false trails and they will never be able to find their true heritage. Le Roy F. Eastes Ph (228) 832-2214 17271 Lowery Rd Gulfport, MS 39503 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When we record our heritage we take great pride in looking at our list of ancestors and admire their origins, migrations and accomplishments. But, what good is it - unless it’s true? We need stories and rumors, they are great and often lead to the truth! BUT - Help eliminate errors. Don't take anything as Fact! Check references for validity! If we don’t our children’s children will be led down false trails and they will never be able to find their true heritage. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi - I would be happy for you to pass this message along to others and ask them to also pass it along! Many people don't realize the impact it has on future records when they collect unfounded data and pass along to Companies who sell undocumented information. Best Regards Roy Eastes, Gulfport, MS Laura L. Johnson RNGADE57@midwest.net The Termini Imerese Database http://www.termini-imerese.org Home of the Sicilian Ancestry Ring http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/1535 Comunes of Italy Database http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Cabin/2509/MainPage.htm

I am researching the BEEBE family for someone else who is not on the Internet. This is the information we have. James P. (?Paul) BEEBE b Aug 25 1833 Sullivan, Oneida County, NY d ? m Feb 8, 1858 Abigail E. TUCKER or DUCHER b Feb 8, 1835, Newfield, Tompkins, NY d Jul 16, 1919, buried Milledgeville, IL children: Lottie E. b Jan 12, 1859 Wysox, Carroll County, IL d Aug 18, 1860 buried Milledgeville, IL Calvin A. b Morris, Grundy County, IL d July 17, 1947 m Oct. 26, 1897 Anna F. Rebman We found James BEEBE listed in the 1860 census in Forreston, Ogle County,IL. He was a watchsmith. It is our understanding that James BEEBE left his family in IL and perhaps went back east but we are not sure. Do you have any further information on James BEEBE in 1870 or 1880? Jean Fountain

Listers I wanted to pass this along in case any of you were looking for North American Indian relatives in hopes that this would help. Kim Pollard << THE OFFICE OF THE SPECIAL TRUSTEE FO AMERICAN INDIANS (OST), OFFICE OF TRUST FUNDS MANAGEMENT (OTFM) This is the url for a goverment site. It hold the list of unclaimed property for Native Americans. These have never been posted for the public. http://www.ost.doi.gov/whereabouts.html ==== PALMER Mailing List ====

I've "rescued" an old photograph of Bertha BRIGGS BEEBE taken at the Arms Studio in Grand Ledge, Michigan. The photo was likely taken in the 1890's and Bertha appears to be 5-6 years of age at the time. I know that Bertha BRIGGS m. Claude BEEBE b. 23 Jun 1885, he was the son of Byron John BEEBE and Polly M. BROOKS. The Byron BEEBE family lived in Hadley, Lapeer County, Michigan and Portland, Ionia County, Michigan, however, I don't know where Bertha & Claude lived. Bertha & Claude had two children, Thelma Ione BEEBE b. 10 Nov 1907 and Gertrude Luella BEEBE b. 29 Apr 1911. Gertrude d. in October of 1980 at Portland, Michigan. I "rescued" the photograph hoping to trace the family and return it to them, however, to date I've had no success. I'm hoping someone here can help. Thanks, Shelley

Hello, this is my first post, my "brick wall" of course! Elizabeth CAFFERTY married Samuel BUNTING b ca 1790 prob NJ b 1780's d 1855 NY d Aug 1857 NY Elizabeth CAFFERTY was the daughter of: Josiah/Joseph CAFFERTY married DEBORAH BEEBE b ca 1753 prob NJ b ca 1755 ?prob NJ d 1 Dec 1845 NY d Jan. 1829 NY I have proven my line up to Samule and Elizabeth. Elizabeth's parentage comes from the Tioga County Historian in NY, Charles Cafferty. Charles has Josiah and Deborah moving from NJ to Union, NY around 1795. I have NEVER found anything on Deborah BEEBE, so I can't confirm any of this info. Where did she come from, who were her parents? I am happy to share all info and appreciate any help in finding Deborah and her roots. Thank you. Gail Adams VA

Sorry, about that folks. I was informed that most people didn't get the message. Kim Pollard What To Eat Some Sensible Suggestions That Should Be Posted in Every Household Aristonite, writing in that excellent gastronomic journal, What to Eat, makes a few sensible suggestions in regard to the diet that ought to be posted in every household. He says that the healthiest and purest lives comes from those who d not eat meat before the age of 15. Potatoes, sliced thin and fried, are indigestible. While tasting delicious, they afford no real nourishment and cause a derangement of the liver. Cake clogs the stomach. All rich pastries is poison to the liver. Soft caramels and creams are also bad for anyone with a liver at all rebellious. When you get old, look out for your food. Do you ever notice that grandfather’s face is not as jolly as it used to be? His strength of mind also seems slowly disappearing, though he is getting fleshier every day. He needs a change of food. Probably he has been eating buckwheat cakes and sirup, white bread and butter, sugar fat meats, etc. Give him lean meat and fish, cracked wheat and potatoes, barley, cakes, rye bread or southern corn cakes. Try it, and instead of moping and sitting round the house all day you will find him running around lively as a cricket. Maybe, on the contrary, he is growing thin and pale. Then he needs buckwheat and molasses, fat meats, mashed potatoes in milk, southern corn, cracked wheat and fish, oatmeal porridge and fruit every morning. All rules have their exceptions, and the died described for the mass may not answer for exceptional cases, but the following directions are good for the majority. Milk is the simplest and most natural food. If you cannot drink it, your stomach is in a diseased condition. Cheese is a good substitute, if mild, fresh and made from pure milk and cream. Persons who live mostly on vegetables have the best nerves and the best complexions. Red pepper is an excellent condiment. Its effect upon the liver is remarkable. Malaria, intermittent fever or congestive chills cannot endure the presence of red pepper. Pure red pepper (known as cayenne) should be on every table. Ill health is caused largely by improper food or by food which is in a bad condition when it is eaten. The West Duluth Sun July 29, 1897 [Othe than not seeing any reference to tofu or bean sprouts, this seems like pretty sound advice, even today]. Ray Marshall

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------7DA7C6DBBD9EA5AB54967E2D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I received this from another genealogy list and thought this was very interesting and wanted to pass it along. Kim Pollard --------------7DA7C6DBBD9EA5AB54967E2D Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.125]) by mail3.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:12:19 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8TD8q124569; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:08:52 -0700 Resent-Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:08:52 -0700 X-Original-Sender: raymarsh@mninter.net Fri Sep 29 06:08:52 2000 From: "Ray Marshall" <raymarsh@mninter.net> Old-To: <MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 08:19:14 -0500 Message-ID: <LPBBLKNPNBLMDBBAFAJFOEMPDKAA.raymarsh@mninter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Subject: [MNSTLOUI] 131 What to Eat Resent-Message-ID: <5VYR-.A.s_F.kRJ15@lists6.rootsweb.com> To: MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: MNSTLOUI-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <MNSTLOUI

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1ECF0634000C7B232240C1F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I thought this was very interesting and thought that some of you might enjoy reading a little of the history of our ancestors. Kim Pollard --------------1ECF0634000C7B232240C1F6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([63.92.80.123]) by mail2.cableone.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:03:00 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8QH2nA24941; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:02:49 -0700 Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:02:49 -0700 X-Original-Sender: zorblitz@mindspring.com Tue Sep 26 10:02:48 2000 Message-ID: <39D0D990.21881F8@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:14:56 -0400 From: zorblitz <zorblitz@mindspring.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.71 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Old-To: "WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com" <WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [WauShaOcon-L] Sawdust and forest fires Resent-Message-ID: <A5cBM.A.JFG.4aN05@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/918 X-Loop: WauShaOcon-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: WauShaOcon-L-request@rootsweb.com Return-Path: WauShaOcon-L-request@rootsweb.com X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Hi All, I was asked about the use of sawdust as road covering in the late 1800's and did some research. I thought I would share these interesting findings. Enjoy - Rita Oconto County WIGenWeb Project Coordinator http://www.rootsweb.com/~wiconto/ Question: Many years ago I became interested in the various fires that occured in the Old Northwest during 1871 and remember reading that many logging camps and larger towns actually paved their streets with sawdust from the mills so that people could walk them with out getting muddy during and after rains. Certainly a very bad idea but a excellent explanation as to why these town "went up" like gunpowder kegs. Can you confirm or deny that this practice did occur? Thank you, any reply would be greatly appreciated. - K. P. Bryce Canyon National Park, Utah Answer: That is absolutely correct. The practice goes back to colonial days, but it wasn't until manufacturing wood during the "Industrial Revolution" that there was a large enough amount of sawdust to become a problem. Unlike now when sawdust is used in pressed wood products and some paper manufacturing, sawdust was just a waste byproduct of milling lumber. A BIG byproduct. At first they simply dumped it into the rivers and streams the powered the mills. It would then travel to the mouth of the rivers and totally clog the bays of the upper Great Lakes. This made shipping impossible and that meant the lumber could not be shipped to other places. There are old letter and diaries with descriptions of sawdust being so thick along the beaches and bays the you could walk out on the floating matts (also not a real safe practice). They burned the bark and scaps, that would not make shims and such small usables, in huge tall coneshaped metal stuctures with open tops and at night the workers would sit out on the front porches of their cottages with the family and watch the glowing red burners against the inky black sky until bedtime. But the sawdust remained a huge problem. It was highly combustable and not suited for burners as it would also set the surrounding area on fire with sparks traveling on the wind. Someone came up with the idea of laying down sawdust on the muddy town roads. Then you could not only walk on the knee-deep mud, but the sawdust was also "worked into" the mud by traffic to make a kind of improved surface for wagon and carriage wheels. And it was free for the hauling. Since the most concentrated traffic was in the towns, villages and settlements, this was seen as a big improvement. Just the other day, right here, I noticed that sawdust from logging off land for development was used on the mud to make a road inland for the heavy trucks. It was very successful and took the weight of many vehicles without getting muddy. This sawdust was also used in logging camps so the mud from the bare ground didn't impede transportation. It was truly dangerous by today's standards, and even more dangerous, but absolutely neccessary, by yesterday's standards. There were also no building codes back then and all the wood structures were put up fast and close together, often wall to wall. With lamp oil, wood stoves, fireplaces, candles, and various fuels being used and stored all over, women and men wearing lots of cotton clothing, and lots of smoking materials, open fires, sparks from steam engines (trains, threshers, boats, etc), campfires of hunters, brush burning, smokehouses for curing meats, bondfires for newly cleared land, open fires for making soap, scalding fowl and rendering lard, lightening, back burning, etc. you can only imagine how dangerous life was with all that sawdust around. Even circuses used sawdust all around and inside the tents as temporary flooring, and the tents were lit with open, burning torches attached to the wood mainpoles. That would give me bigger thrills and chills than any caged Tiger. Hope this answers your question. Thanks for writing. Rita - Oconto County WIGenWeb > --------------1ECF0634000C7B232240C1F6--

children of Jesse and Emma Ruby Sara b. 12-17-1893 in Bridgeton, NJ d. 08-23-1956 in Muskegon, MI ? d. in St. Louis., MO was married to Ray Montgomery Ada d. in St.Louis, MO was married to ? Winters Ruby married Eugen D'Artagnan Brault children of Ruby and Eugene: Emma Marie b. 10-19-1918 in Linton, IN d. 10-31-1983 in Muskegon, MI (never married) Helen F. b. 03-02-1914 in Linton, IN d. 11-06-1963 in Muskegon, MI (married Ralph Baker Hartman) Ferrere F. b. 05-05=1912 in Linton, IN d. 09-20-1966 in Muskegon, MI married Amy Edith Payne) ? lived 2-3 years any connections please email me at BHill1998@prodigy.net

This is a test to see if I'm still subscribed to this list because I haven't seen any posts lately or if there is just a slow period on the list. Kim Pollard

Group: Hello Group: I am new to the list ,and wondering if there is any one out there related to John Beebe. that died on board ship in May 1650.John was enroute from England to America carring John,and his ,now orphaned seven children, His wife Rebecca Ladd also died on ship,or just previous to leaving England. A dau. Hannah also died abt. the same time. The ship docked at Cape Ann Conn. near where the children made their home. John was from Great Addington, England. If this rings a bell with any of you ,We would appreciate hearing from you. My wifes mother was a Beebe she is directly related to John from England. Thank you Fred ftbaird@juno.com

I'm trying to help someone search for her family. She has almost given up because she hasn't be able to get anywhere in awhile. Here is some of the story. The mother was Mary SHIPE (maiden name) the daughter Lydia FLEXER married George MIZER she was born in Penn. and moved to Ohio. My source says she has a record of where they lived but CANNOT find it listed on the Census. It was as though they missed the house. Lydia was my sources' materal grandmother and my source is about 70-80 right now. Another part of the story. There was a FLEXER found in the Civil War and there was info found on his wife, but nothing on him. There was possibly a half brother but as of yet there is no proof. That is all of the story I have right now. If any of this sounds familiar I know my source would love to hear it. Kim Pollard Merick@cableone.net

Hi--I am new to the list and am hoping some one out there can help with my dilemma. I am trying to find descendants of Hannah Beebe and Moses Stevens; I think the were my gggggrandparents. Moses was the son of Daniel Stevens and Esther Brown and Hannah the daughter of Samuel and Lydia [Seeley/Seely] Raymond [she was the widow of Lemuel Raymond]. I have tried every way I can think of to find the names of their children. What I do know--Moses Brown Stevens, Sr. born in CT about 1800 married Mary Elizabeth Hoyt [alt spellings - Haight, Hoyte, Hait, etc] in CT and their first child Cyrus S. Stevens was born in CT in 1821. They moved to Huron County OH and Cyrus married there in 1841 with his father Moses Stevens signing for him as he was underage. I have exquisite documentation [done by a family member] on Moses Stevens, Sr and his descendants but cannot make an upward leap. Both Brown and Beebe are family names that have come down through the generations. I am hoping that I can find someone with the same family lines to connect to! Thanks for your help; glad to share what I have. My homepage for Moses, Sr and descendants is: www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/4128/index.htm judy arnn-knight

Listers I have some sad news to report. My father Gerald Richard Palmer, Sr. passed this morning in his sleep. I had just talked with the friend who had been taking care of him about final arrangements and said that I could write up his obituary just last night. I wanted to type it in for you now. In case any of you are part of my tree and hadn't found me yet. GERALD "JERRY" RICHARD PALMER, SR. Gerald Richard Palmer, Sr. of Neenah, Wis. died May 3, 2000 at Theda Clark Hospital. He was a lifelong resident of the Fox Cities and was born June 27, 1937 in Menasha, Wis. to Edwin and Bernice (Goodman) Palmer. Jerry served in both the U. S. Marines and the U. S. Navy. He worked for American Can Corp. and later for National Can in Menasha until his retirement in 1995. Jerry was an avid SCUBA diver until about five years ago when he became ill. He was a former member of the Fox Valley SCUBA club. His father, mother, and half sister passed on before him. He is survived by his ex-wife (Janice) of Menasha, son Gerald Richard, Jr. of the Fox Cities, daughter Kim and son-in-law James Pollard of Drew, Mississippi, two granddaughters Hannah and Carol Pollard of Drew, MS. His brother Vernon and sister-in-law Nancy Palmer of Menasha, sister Frances Palmer of Appleton, brother-in-law William Bannach of Menasha as well as several nieces and nephews, and grand nieces and grand nephews. Funeral services have not been arranged at this time, but the deceased's last wishes are to be cremated and have his ashes scattered on Lake Michigan over a favorite shipwreck. Sincerely, Kim (Palmer) Pollard Merick@cableone.net

I am looking for any information on Deborah Beebe, b. 1755, probably in CT or NJ....married Josiah Cafferty in NJ, c. 1775...moved to Broome Co., NY in 1795...died there 1/02/1829. Really need help on her parents, siblings, etc. Thanks. Betty Brown

Who were the parents of Hannah RATHBUN, who married 14 July 1805 Silas BEEBE, the son of Abijah BEBBE and Grace SMITH? Hannah was born 24 April 1785, died 26 October 1812, Groton, Conn. Silas BEEBE was born 7 September 1781, Waterford, Conn. Hannah was the first of three wives for Silas. He later married Anna BREED, and later Prudence Holmes BREED. John T.

Awhile back I posted a request for information for Carlyle Alger Beebe. A that time I didn't know his birthdate or parents names. Recently someone contacted me with the following information. I am doing this research for my fiance, Ray Beebe who was born in 1954. Carlyle Alger Beebe b. 3 Aug 1928 Yuma, AZ ( We knew he was born in AZ from his son's birth certificate but the date of birth is off approx 4-5 years - But could possibly be his father because Ray has recollections of his father being married before he married his mother - Lezora Estes. On Ray's b cert it says that Carlyle was 21 at the time of Ray's birth - this would make the date more in the range of 1932-33 than 1928 but the 21 as the age could be a typo or mistake). Now I have received information which states that Carlyle Alger Beebe is the son of Franklin Frederick Beebe (B 4 May 1888 Hinckley, UT, d. 20 Dec 1938) and Iona Bell (Belle) Alger Xinos who were married 1 Nov 1920 Junction, UT. Then the message goes on to say that the ancestors are in this order: Franklin Frederick Beebe 1868 UT Leroy Winslow Beebe William Albert Beebe b. 5-9-1813 d. 12-21-1884 John Beebe b. 9-23-1777 d. 10-2-1818 or 1823, m. 1-6-1894 to Lydia Ann French Hobson Beebe b. 2-17-1747 d. 8-26-1834 m. 9-4-1774 Deliverance Curtis b. 6-15-1752 Peter Beebe b. 1713 m. Priscilla Ledyard b. 1717 Thomas Beebe m. Anna Hobson Can anyone help me with any further details of this line? Thanks in advance. Laura Laura L. Johnson RNGADE57@midwest.net ICQ# 13006842 Home of the Sicilian Ancestry Web Ring http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Ridge/1535