Ok....... while we're on the subject............. my Grandma gave birth to 17 between 1887 and 1912. She took on 4 more of her sister's (whose lifestyle she objected to) and brought up her daughter's illegitimate girl. The family was "called" but Grandma said lots of women had given birth to as many as she had but some of theirs had died. Her first son died in infancy and one died from burns sustained at home while she took him to hospital on the tram. She was told:"Never mind. You have plenty more". She said:"No. Once they're here they make their place". Her husband was not the best (the usual... drink) but she managed to raise the rest (one had rickets and the daughter's girl died of TB) and she was a very gentle, much loved Mam and Grandma when she died at 86, greatly respected by her children-in law. She was intelligent and knowledgeable, very political and well read. She was in her 50s when she got the vote. All this she did as a coal miner's daughter, coal miner's wife and mother of 7 coal miners in Yorkshire. It was found when she died that she was still paying off a debt incurred with the Co-op at the time of the strikes. Vale, Jane Ann. I'm so proud of you. Thankyou for reading this; I've never actually gone though it like this before. No one ever actually said it was remarkable. It's very moving to see it written down. Pat Burke