Dear all I am looking for my x 3 gt grandfather James Bavister. I have a copy of my x 2 gt grandfather David’s Marriage Certificate dated 4 June 1854. The Rank or Profession of Father is given as Brewer. There is no indication that David’s father was deceased at the time of the marriage. I have searched the 1851 Census and freeBDM records. No joy with either despite having obtained the Certificates of the recorded deaths, in the name of James, for both 1839 and 1854. The two Death Certificates I have record each James as a Labourer. David was born in Harlington in about 1826 (IGI Christening record 15 May 1826) and was a Draper at the time of his marriage and lived, and subsequently lived, in Waltham Abbey, Essex until his death in 1876. The Death Certificate records his profession as Draper and Postmaster. I have found subsequent information in each Census from 1851 to1901 regarding the David’s family. I noted the comment made yesterday by Terry Barcock that he had found many cases where groom’s father and bride’s father first names had been transposed. The bride’s father is listed as Samuel Wells, Farmer and he lived in Tenterden, Kent. I see from the freeBDM records that a Samuel Bavister’s death is recorded at Luton 1849 Oct-Dec 6 65 and another Samuel’s death is recorded at Luton 1860 Jan-Mar 3b 314. Based on Terry’s comment either of these two Samuel’s could possibly be my 3 x gt grandfather. Before I purchase these two Death Certificates, has anyone got access to the 1841 Census for Bedfordshire to see whether or not James is listed and has the profession of a Brewer? Many thanks for taking the time to read the above. David Bavister living in North Wales

Hello David, There was no requirement in 1854 to state if a father was dead. All that was aked was his name and occupation. What names did you search the 1851 Census for? BAVISTER only - or did you also try the perhaps-more-likely transcriber/indexer reading of BAN[N]ISTER? FreeBMD is still quite some way from being "Complete", so you could well not find hime even if he HAD died. Try Ancestry.com, and the 'beta version of the full GRO Indexes'. Finally, is the marriage certificate that you hold a photocopy of the Church Register, or is it from a Registrar's Copy? [The church Register is the Prime Document here, all others are transcribed copies...] If David signed the register (as opposed to marking it) it would be highly likely that he would've noticed if the clerk had mis-written his father's name. HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "David and Sandra Bavister" <bavisters_deeside@talk21.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:36 PM Subject: [BDF] James Bavister Dear all I am looking for my x 3 gt grandfather James Bavister. I have a copy of my x 2 gt grandfather David's Marriage Certificate dated 4 June 1854. The Rank or Profession of Father is given as Brewer. There is no indication that David's father was deceased at the time of the marriage. I have searched the 1851 Census and freeBDM records. No joy with either despite having obtained the Certificates of the recorded deaths, in the name of James, for both 1839 and 1854. The two Death Certificates I have record each James as a Labourer. David was born in Harlington in about 1826 (IGI Christening record 15 May 1826) and was a Draper at the time of his marriage and lived, and subsequently lived, in Waltham Abbey, Essex until his death in 1876. The Death Certificate records his profession as Draper and Postmaster. I have found subsequent information in each Census from 1851 to1901 regarding the David's family. I noted the comment made yesterday by Terry Barcock that he had found many cases where groom's father and bride's father first names had been transposed. The bride's father is listed as Samuel Wells, Farmer and he lived in Tenterden, Kent. I see from the freeBDM records that a Samuel Bavister's death is recorded at Luton 1849 Oct-Dec 6 65 and another Samuel's death is recorded at Luton 1860 Jan-Mar 3b 314. Based on Terry's comment either of these two Samuel's could possibly be my 3 x gt grandfather. Before I purchase these two Death Certificates, has anyone got access to the 1841 Census for Bedfordshire to see whether or not James is listed and has the profession of a Brewer? Many thanks for taking the time to read the above. David Bavister living in North Wales ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Bedfordshire at Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/

> I am looking for my x 3 gt grandfather James Bavister. I have a copy of > my > x 2 gt grandfather David's Marriage Certificate dated 4 June 1854. The > Rank > or Profession of Father is given as Brewer. There is no indication that > David's father was deceased at the time of the marriage. I have searched > the 1851 Census and freeBDM records. FreeBMD isn't complete, especially with deaths. FamilyHistoryOnline shows "James BAVISTER found in National Burial Index (Bedfordshire FHS) 1 entry in Bedfordshire during 1839 details £0.06" Unfortunately I don't have any credit (minimum £5) so can't look it up. Regards Steven Gibbs Bedford

Hi David Perhaps I’m missing something here, but you say David’s marriage cert shows his father as James. His christening entry on the IGI shows his parents as James and Mary. Why should the fathers’ names have been transposed on the marriage cert? That would make his christening entry wrong! There are two marriages for James Bavister in Harlington (controlled extracts, not those unreliable member submissions) 1 Oct 1827 to Mary Ann Hurst 24 Sept 1798 Mary Hickman On the IGI there are a numerous christenings in Harlington of children with parents James and Mary, with the later James probably being the son of the elder James (there’s a christening on 24 Sept 1809). But there are no Samuels in Harlington. 1841 census HO107/005-14 folio 6B Harlington James Bavister 60 Ag lab Mary Bavister 60 Daniel Bavister 18 All born in county Folio 8A Harlington Mary Bavister 35 Ind Jospeh Bavister 13 William Bavister 11 George Bavister 8 All born in county In 1851 HO107/1755 folio 255B Church Rd Harlington James Bavester head marr 73 farm lab b Westoning Mary Bavester wife 72 b Streatley The burial in 1839 of James age 31 would appear to be the one married in 1827, with the 1854 probably that of David’s father. It’s quite possible that David, who in 1851 was a “Gentleman’s servant” to a vicar in Norfolk, upgraded his father from ag lab when he married. Regards David David and Sandra Bavister <bavisters_deeside@talk21.com> a écrit : Dear all I am looking for my x 3 gt grandfather James Bavister. I have a copy of my x 2 gt grandfather David’s Marriage Certificate dated 4 June 1854. The Rank or Profession of Father is given as Brewer. There is no indication that David’s father was deceased at the time of the marriage. I have searched the 1851 Census and freeBDM records. No joy with either despite having obtained the Certificates of the recorded deaths, in the name of James, for both 1839 and 1854. The two Death Certificates I have record each James as a Labourer. David was born in Harlington in about 1826 (IGI Christening record 15 May 1826) and was a Draper at the time of his marriage and lived, and subsequently lived, in Waltham Abbey, Essex until his death in 1876. The Death Certificate records his profession as Draper and Postmaster. I have found subsequent information in each Census from 1851 to1901 regarding the David’s family. I noted the comment made yesterday by Terry Barcock that he had found many cases where groom’s father and bride’s father first names had been transposed. The bride’s father is listed as Samuel Wells, Farmer and he lived in Tenterden, Kent. I see from the freeBDM records that a Samuel Bavister’s death is recorded at Luton 1849 Oct-Dec 6 65 and another Samuel’s death is recorded at Luton 1860 Jan-Mar 3b 314. Based on Terry’s comment either of these two Samuel’s could possibly be my 3 x gt grandfather. Before I purchase these two Death Certificates, has anyone got access to the 1841 Census for Bedfordshire to see whether or not James is listed and has the profession of a Brewer? Many thanks for taking the time to read the above. David Bavister living in North Wales ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Bedfordshire at Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/ --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.