In message <000201c67bbf$6cdf47a0$0100a8c0@ERM>, eric marshman <eric.marshman@hunterlink.net.au> writes >Further ot the postings of David and others about William HIDE born about >1780, I would agree with Mike Strange that here does not seem to be a >Bigglewade connection. > >However, David, should you disover a Bigglewade connection, please e-mail >me. My descent is from Richard HYDE, Barber and Gent of Biggleswade, who >married Mary COLLY at Biggleswade in 1704. I have not been able to find the >birth of Richard. Family lore suggests a connection with a Hide family who >married into the Royal family! I would be interested to hear from any >listers who know the connection. > This would presumably be through the Hyde family. Edward Hyde was Lord Chancellor (eventually) but while he was in Holland in the 1650s with the exiled royal princes, the younger, James (II), took advantage of Anne Hyde, Edward's daughter, and for once did the decent thing and married her -her father was a respectable lawyer, of an old minor gentry family, which probably made all the difference. The family were originally minor gentry in Cheshire, but the sons got around. Lawrence Hyde (who had an estate in Dorset) was the father of Henry Hyde, father of Sir Edward (who became Lord Clarendon and *his* sone Earl of Rochester); and of Sir Lawrence who was Attorney General to Anne of Denmark, wife of James I; and of Sir Nicholas, Chief Justice of England, who condemned the MPs who protested against the unconstiututional behaviour of Charles I in 1631. It sounds feasible that your Richard could be linked to this family, if correctly referred to as 'gentleman', at a time when they were distinctly picky about correct use of the term, could be descended from a younger son of this family. Barbers at the time were usually Barber- Surgeons (and belonged to the livery Company of that name).. It was quite usual for the younger sons of gentlemen to go into the professions (lawyer, doctor) or into the better end of trades, where the money could be made. The knowledge of a connection with Anne, Duchess of York (she died before her husband became king) could well have been preserved in the family. The male line of the Hyde Earls of Clarendon and Rochester failes and the heiress married a Villiers, who was granted the title of Earl of Clarendon. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Dear Eve, Thank you very much for your detailed reply to my posting. I very much appreciate your valuable time and opinion. We have visited Bedford, Huntingdon and London trying to find Richard Hyde's forebears. you have added to our information. We think Edward (son of the Lord Chancellor and brother of Anne, the Duchess of York) who predeceased his father, and was probably unmarried, may have fathered a child. We have no proof of this. A note, written by Wilma's forebear, in failing health, about 1820, and found among papers in Australia, referred to Catherine, Duchess of Queensbury, as Aunt Kitty. Catherine was a great granddaughter of Edward, Lord Chancellor. Richard Hyde, barber and Gent of Biggleswade would have been ten or more years older than Catherine. According to ?The Dictionary of Biography, read in London in 1999 Catherine was "quite a lady" (my words). The given name Chancellor was used for one of Richard's descendants. Several years ago you helped my husband with a query he had on anther list about Cold Bathfields Hospital/Gaol in London. He is fairly certain hefound his forebear in the gaol, in 1754, albeit with the shortened surname, Marsh. Kind regards, Wilma Marshman. > In message <000201c67bbf$6cdf47a0$0100a8c0@ERM>, eric marshman > <eric.marshman@hunterlink.net.au> writes . My descent is from Richard HYDE, Barber and Gent of Biggleswade, who >>married Mary COLLY at Biggleswade in 1704. I have not been able to find >>the >>birth of Richard. Family lore suggests a connection with a Hide family who >>married into the Royal family! I would be interested to hear from any >>listers who know the connection. >> > This would presumably be through the Hyde family. Edward Hyde was Lord > Chancellor (eventually) but while he was in Holland in the 1650s with >