The Pallots slip for the 1836 marriage to Isabella Murray describes Richard as "w" - widower David On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sure you have more information than you're divulging. Name of the 1836 > wife, children etc? A minimalist approach makes it more difficult for people > to help you. > > As hinted at by Peter, 1836 was probably a second marriage > > This might be Richard and family, but without the name of at least one > child I can't be certain: > > 1851 census > HO107/1505 page 19 > Orchard Cottage, Hackney > Richard Upton head marr 51? (or 56) Clerk East India House b Ampthill > Isabella Upton wife 48 b Edinburgh > Maria Upton dau unmarr 28 b Hackney Middx > Eliza Upton dau unm 25 b Hackney > Sarah Upton dau unm 23 b Hackney > Isabella J Upton dau unm 16 Scholar b Hackney > Richard Upton son 12 scholar b Hackney > Allen? Murray Upton son 10 scholar b Hackney > Julia Ann Upton dau 9 b Hackney > E Murray Upton son 7 b Hackney > Mary Smart unm 24 House servant b Kirkaldy > > 1841 > HO107/ > Park Rd, St John's Hackney > Richard Upton 40 Cant read occupation Not born in county > Isabella Upton 35 b Scotland > Maria Louise 15; John George 15; Eliza 15; Sarah Ann 13; Isabella Jane 5; > Richard 2 1/2; William James 1. All b Middlesex; Hannah Rushen 25 Female > servant Not b in county > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. > > So it looks as though Richard married first c1822, and was dead by 1861 > when Isabella was a widow. There's a death of a Richard Upton in Hackney in > the March quarter 1859 on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > > On Pallots Marriage Index there's a marriage at St James Duke Place in Apr > 1822 between Richard Upton and Louisa Harlow, which might be his first > marriage, given Maria's middle name (the marriage is also on the IGI) > > Richard's age in 1851 is the key. It's transcribed on Ancestry as 56, but I > think it may be 51. If it is 51 then the 1799 baptism on the IGI, parents > John and Julia, looks favourite, particularly as he named his 5th daughter > Julia. If you ordered his death certificate his age would be given. > > Virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI - but I can > see only the one child of John and Julia. However there are then 3 children > baptised in St Leonards Shoreditch to John and Julia, so they may have moved > to London when Richard was still very young. > > In 1841 there was a Julia Dawson age 65 born Ireland living with James & > Mary Dawson, both 45, in Islington. I can't see a marriage of John Upton and > Julia - perhaps it took place in Ireland - was he a soldier perhaps? > > Since typing the above I see you've posted a great deal more information, > so I've largely wasted my time this morning. I'll post it anyway > > David > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> That's not a lot of information to go on. >> >> My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed >> birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is >> very >> late to be marrying. >> >> Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would >> be >> information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, >> but Middlesex it such a big place. >> >> When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various >> census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? >> Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's >> best >> to check them all. >> >> And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? >> >> I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede >> about >> 1830 and don't have census records. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedford.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >