Hello David, I.m sorry if you feel your time has been wasted. I must admit I hadn't expected anyone to go to so much trouble to help me, and my original post was merely an enquiry to see if anyone had connections with this family. As soon as I was asked for more details, I posted them. In any case I greatly appreciate the help given to me; certainly not wasted time in my opinion, because although I already have much of the information you posted, there is also new information, and I am always glad of comments and advice from someone who is clearly a more experienced researcher than myself. So, thank you for your time and trouble, David, and once again my apologies if you still feel I have wasted your time. Best regards, Jan > I'm sure you have more information than you're divulging. Name of the 1836 > wife, children etc? A minimalist approach makes it more difficult for people > to help you. > > As hinted at by Peter, 1836 was probably a second marriage > > This might be Richard and family, but without the name of at least one child > I can't be certain: > > 1851 census > HO107/1505 page 19 > Orchard Cottage, Hackney > Richard Upton head marr 51? (or 56) Clerk East India House b Ampthill > Isabella Upton wife 48 b Edinburgh > Maria Upton dau unmarr 28 b Hackney Middx > Eliza Upton dau unm 25 b Hackney > Sarah Upton dau unm 23 b Hackney > Isabella J Upton dau unm 16 Scholar b Hackney > Richard Upton son 12 scholar b Hackney > Allen? Murray Upton son 10 scholar b Hackney > Julia Ann Upton dau 9 b Hackney > E Murray Upton son 7 b Hackney > Mary Smart unm 24 House servant b Kirkaldy > > 1841 > HO107/ > Park Rd, St John's Hackney > Richard Upton 40 Cant read occupation Not born in county > Isabella Upton 35 b Scotland > Maria Louise 15; John George 15; Eliza 15; Sarah Ann 13; Isabella Jane 5; > Richard 2 1/2; William James 1. All b Middlesex; Hannah Rushen 25 Female > servant Not b in county > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. > > So it looks as though Richard married first c1822, and was dead by 1861 when > Isabella was a widow. There's a death of a Richard Upton in Hackney in the > March quarter 1859 on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > > On Pallots Marriage Index there's a marriage at St James Duke Place in Apr > 1822 between Richard Upton and Louisa Harlow, which might be his first > marriage, given Maria's middle name (the marriage is also on the IGI) > > Richard's age in 1851 is the key. It's transcribed on Ancestry as 56, but I > think it may be 51. If it is 51 then the 1799 baptism on the IGI, parents > John and Julia, looks favourite, particularly as he named his 5th daughter > Julia. If you ordered his death certificate his age would be given. > > Virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI - but I can > see only the one child of John and Julia. However there are then 3 children > baptised in St Leonards Shoreditch to John and Julia, so they may have moved > to London when Richard was still very young. > > In 1841 there was a Julia Dawson age 65 born Ireland living with James & > Mary Dawson, both 45, in Islington. I can't see a marriage of John Upton and > Julia - perhaps it took place in Ireland - was he a soldier perhaps? > > Since typing the above I see you've posted a great deal more information, so > I've largely wasted my time this morning. I'll post it anyway > > David > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Jan, >> >> That's not a lot of information to go on. >> >> My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed >> birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is >> very >> late to be marrying. >> >> Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would be >> information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, >> but Middlesex it such a big place. >> >> When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various >> census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? >> Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's best >> to check them all. >> >> And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? >> >> I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede about >> 1830 and don't have census records. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedford.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >