Lyn / Marlene, Hold the phone !!!!! Lewis Jordan is still alive in 1861 census !!!! He has moved to Linslade in Buckinghamshire and is shown as unmarried. He is the same Lewis Jordan Coal Dealer born circa 1821 at Cople that 10 years earlier in 1851 is married with wife Ellen and daughter Julia. Is it possible that Madeline was illegitimate and Ellen had to have a seven year period of separation before she was permitted to remarry. Either that or she was forbidden to marry until after he died ( 'til death us do part ). So who was the father of Madeline? 1871 census says she was born in Bedford Town. 1861 says she was born in London. Did Ellen run off to London to hide an unexpected pregnancy? There are so many unresolved questions. Hopefully the 1862 Marriage Certificate will show if Ellen was single, divorced or widowed. But we still won't know the father of Madeline or when and where Lewis Jordan died. Perhaps it is worth looking on A2A to see if there was any petition for divorce or bastardy bond. Peter

This may be a total red herring, and no connection whatsoever, but it occurred to me that firstly the surname of NADEN has obviously been mispronounced and attained assorted spellings, and secondly that the Christian name Madeline (or its other variant) was not that abundant. So I fed just the name Madeline into the freeBMD and went through the various quarters from 1854 to 1856 looking for a surname that might sound like NADEN: Madeline Harris NATHAN Sep 1855 Stepney 1c 456 I suggest you don't try this with an Elizabeth or Mary! Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 26 June 2008 11:19 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN Lyn / Marlene, Hold the phone !!!!! Lewis Jordan is still alive in 1861 census !!!! He has moved to Linslade in Buckinghamshire and is shown as unmarried. He is the same Lewis Jordan Coal Dealer born circa 1821 at Cople that 10 years earlier in 1851 is married with wife Ellen and daughter Julia. Is it possible that Madeline was illegitimate and Ellen had to have a seven year period of separation before she was permitted to remarry. Either that or she was forbidden to marry until after he died ( 'til death us do part ). So who was the father of Madeline? 1871 census says she was born in Bedford Town. 1861 says she was born in London. Did Ellen run off to London to hide an unexpected pregnancy? There are so many unresolved questions. Hopefully the 1862 Marriage Certificate will show if Ellen was single, divorced or widowed. But we still won't know the father of Madeline or when and where Lewis Jordan died. Perhaps it is worth looking on A2A to see if there was any petition for divorce or bastardy bond. Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for that! I don't have access to census but suspected either he or Ellen had ended the relationship. Hence I suggested that Madeline's birth may have to be sought by her mother's name - definitely Ellen but surname might be anything! There are several people with names of Woulleman on Genes Reunited. They all seem to be 1939-45 in Tassie. Do you want me to contact them giving your email or are you a member? Cheers Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Lyn / Marlene, > > Hold the phone !!!!! > > Lewis Jordan is still alive in 1861 census !!!! He has moved to > Linslade in Buckinghamshire and is shown as unmarried. > > He is the same Lewis Jordan Coal Dealer born circa 1821 at Cople that 10 > years earlier in 1851 is married with wife Ellen and daughter Julia. > > Is it possible that Madeline was illegitimate and Ellen had to have a > seven year period of separation before she was permitted to remarry. Either > that or she was forbidden to marry until after he died ( 'til death us do > part ). > > So who was the father of Madeline? 1871 census says she was born in > Bedford Town. 1861 says she was born in London. Did Ellen run off to London > to hide an unexpected pregnancy? > > There are so many unresolved questions. Hopefully the 1862 Marriage > Certificate will show if Ellen was single, divorced or widowed. But we still > won't know the father of Madeline or when and where Lewis Jordan died. > > Perhaps it is worth looking on A2A to see if there was any petition for > divorce or bastardy bond. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >