Thomas SCARD married Pancras March Q 1862 1b/32*. (I searched between 1851 and 1865 to cover the possibility that they lived together before marriage and /or over the Census.) He possibly married Ellen NADEN whose name is not recorded on Free BMD unless you put NO NAMES just March Q to Mar Q 1862 and choose Pancras from the list of districts on the right hand side. Then she appears with a reference number that could well match 1b/32. WHY Ellen chose to marrry using her maiden name is perhaps hinted at by her daughter not joining them initially in Australia!! But I think you would be quite safe purchasing Thomas Scard's 1862 marriage with the proviso that the bride is Ellen Naden. * You'll note that on Thomas's entry there are two males and only female. You have the Qtr Year and District and if you enter those details with no names you can search the whole list of those who married in that Qtr/Year/District forthe name that is missing. OR match the ref numbers. Good luck Lyn Marlene New Zealand Lyn Mealey wrote: > Hi Peter > > Thanks for your interest, Peter. > > Madeline born (London -1851 census and her marriage cert ) about 1854/55 (6 > in 1851 census) Have searched freebmd, bmd on FindmyPast - have tried many > variations of Scard as often wrongly read as Seard or Scaid (have Starr and > Scarr on Aus certs) - nothing! > > Her father Thomas Scard (Surgeon) obtained MRCS in 1859 whilst in the army > (according to Royal College of Surgeons and reported in London Times) > however I cannot find him in Army Records (tried online and at Kew last > year). He came to Aust on at least 2 voyages as ship's surgeon, and in 1866 > stayed. Ellen was here by 1867. Madeline at home in England (11 or 12 - > very strange!) don't know where until a domestic servant in 1871 census. > Madeline came to Sydney in 1874 (father Thomas died 1871, mother Ellen in > Balmain - married Thomas Mountsten Wright in 1880 and died in 1882). At the > time of Thomas' death in 1871, there was an inquest at which Ellen stated > that "we have been married twelve years; we have one child (a girl)" - this > makes marriage about 1859 - as mentioned before cannot find a record. > > >From IGI (tells me father Noah) and Freebmd, Ellen Naden married Lewis > Jordan in 1849. At baptism in 1831 Ellen in Bedford St Mary; in 1841 Census > Ellen Naden living Bedford St Paul; in 1851 (now Ellen Jordan) her > birthplace given as Bedford St John; in 1861 (now Ellen Scard) birthplace > Bedford, Bedfordshire. On Ellen's death cert and Madeline's marriage cert, > Ellen's birthplace just Bedford. > > No other children with Thomas, Ellen and Madeline in 1861 and no children at > all mentioned on any of the Aust certs. In Thomas' death, the coroner was > the informant, in Ellen's death a hospital wardsman! (even though both > spouses were both around) > > Hopefully, this clarifies (or muddies!) things. > > Lyn > Sydney > Aust > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:27 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > > > >> Lyn, >> >> I need some more details, I'm afraid. You don't say when and where >> Madeline was born and you don't say how and when the family came to >> Australia. I'm also not sure if you use Bedford as the city or the county. >> Specific parish locations would help. >> >> Have you found any marriages? If Ellen was born c1831, it's highly >> likely she would be married by 1851. Have you compared her place of >> residence in 1841 with birthplace given in 1851 census. What does the 1861 >> entry show? >> >> Where have you looked for BDM entries?. Apart from her birth, all BDM >> events for Ellen are after 1837, so registration is compulsory and should >> be >> available on FreeBMD. Except for deaths, IGI for Bedfordshire has almost >> 99% >> coverage of available parish records for earlier dates. >> >> If Ellen did first marry Lewis Jordan, then what became of Julia? Are >> there any other children with Madeline in Kent that might give clues to a >> marriage date. >> >> Peter in Sydney >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Marlene This looks VERY promising - and thrilling! I will order it straight away! I've spent so much time looking for this marriage - I must have seen this one before as I thought in the beginning that Thomas Scard would be easy to search so I know I've put in Thomas Scard with no dates - discarded obviously because no Ellen. Did not think of doing the Pancras search - thank you! Also until recently I didn't know Ellen's maiden name so that would have restricted me. I'll let you know! Thank you Lyn Sydney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:23 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > Thomas SCARD married Pancras March Q 1862 1b/32*. > (I searched between 1851 and 1865 to cover the possibility that they > lived together before marriage and /or over the Census.) > > He possibly married Ellen NADEN whose name is not recorded on Free BMD > unless you put NO NAMES just March Q to Mar Q 1862 and choose Pancras > from the list of districts on the right hand side. Then she appears > with a reference number that could well match 1b/32. > > WHY Ellen chose to marrry using her maiden name is perhaps hinted at by > her daughter not joining them initially in Australia!! > But I think you would be quite safe purchasing Thomas Scard's 1862 > marriage with the proviso that the bride is Ellen Naden. > > * You'll note that on Thomas's entry there are two males and only > female. You have the Qtr Year and District and if you enter those > details with no names you can search the whole list of those who married > in that Qtr/Year/District forthe name that is missing. OR match the ref > numbers. > Good luck Lyn > Marlene > New Zealand > > > Lyn Mealey wrote: >> Hi Peter >> >> Thanks for your interest, Peter. >> >> Madeline born (London -1851 census and her marriage cert ) about 1854/55 >> (6 >> in 1851 census) Have searched freebmd, bmd on FindmyPast - have tried >> many >> variations of Scard as often wrongly read as Seard or Scaid (have Starr >> and >> Scarr on Aus certs) - nothing! >> >> Her father Thomas Scard (Surgeon) obtained MRCS in 1859 whilst in the >> army >> (according to Royal College of Surgeons and reported in London Times) >> however I cannot find him in Army Records (tried online and at Kew last >> year). He came to Aust on at least 2 voyages as ship's surgeon, and in >> 1866 >> stayed. Ellen was here by 1867. Madeline at home in England (11 or 12 - >> very strange!) don't know where until a domestic servant in 1871 census. >> Madeline came to Sydney in 1874 (father Thomas died 1871, mother Ellen in >> Balmain - married Thomas Mountsten Wright in 1880 and died in 1882). At >> the >> time of Thomas' death in 1871, there was an inquest at which Ellen stated >> that "we have been married twelve years; we have one child (a girl)" - >> this >> makes marriage about 1859 - as mentioned before cannot find a record. >> >> >From IGI (tells me father Noah) and Freebmd, Ellen Naden married Lewis >> Jordan in 1849. At baptism in 1831 Ellen in Bedford St Mary; in 1841 >> Census >> Ellen Naden living Bedford St Paul; in 1851 (now Ellen Jordan) her >> birthplace given as Bedford St John; in 1861 (now Ellen Scard) birthplace >> Bedford, Bedfordshire. On Ellen's death cert and Madeline's marriage >> cert, >> Ellen's birthplace just Bedford. >> >> No other children with Thomas, Ellen and Madeline in 1861 and no children >> at >> all mentioned on any of the Aust certs. In Thomas' death, the coroner >> was >> the informant, in Ellen's death a hospital wardsman! (even though both >> spouses were both around) >> >> Hopefully, this clarifies (or muddies!) things. >> >> Lyn >> Sydney >> Aust >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN >> >> >> >>> Lyn, >>> >>> I need some more details, I'm afraid. You don't say when and where >>> Madeline was born and you don't say how and when the family came to >>> Australia. I'm also not sure if you use Bedford as the city or the >>> county. >>> Specific parish locations would help. >>> >>> Have you found any marriages? If Ellen was born c1831, it's highly >>> likely she would be married by 1851. Have you compared her place of >>> residence in 1841 with birthplace given in 1851 census. What does the >>> 1861 >>> entry show? >>> >>> Where have you looked for BDM entries?. Apart from her birth, all BDM >>> events for Ellen are after 1837, so registration is compulsory and >>> should >>> be >>> available on FreeBMD. Except for deaths, IGI for Bedfordshire has almost >>> 99% >>> coverage of available parish records for earlier dates. >>> >>> If Ellen did first marry Lewis Jordan, then what became of Julia? Are >>> there any other children with Madeline in Kent that might give clues to >>> a >>> marriage date. >>> >>> Peter in Sydney >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Marlene / Lynn, Well done Marlene !! A lesson for us all when using FreeBMD. I would advise all listers to note this example. It occurs quite regularly. In March Qtr 1862, I noted the two males and one female in the marriage records. One bride was obviously missing. If you omit all names and just search the March 1862 records for Pancras registration district they both come up. Thomas Scard shows Pancras Vol 1b Pg 32 Ellen Naden shows Pancras Vol 1b Pg 3[2 ] It looks like the non-numeric characters in the page number prevent display in a normal search. Hope all us "old dogs" can learn some new tricks to help us with our research. Peter in Sydney

Hi It may also may be helpful , once you have the Cert to alert Free Bmd of the missing bride and add a Postem! Old Dog (???) Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Marlene / Lynn, > > Well done Marlene !! A lesson for us all when using FreeBMD. I would > advise all listers to note this example. It occurs quite regularly. > > In March Qtr 1862, I noted the two males and one female in the marriage > records. One bride was obviously missing. > > If you omit all names and just search the March 1862 records for Pancras > registration district they both come up. > > Thomas Scard shows Pancras Vol 1b Pg 32 > Ellen Naden shows Pancras Vol 1b Pg 3[2 ] > > It looks like the non-numeric characters in the page number prevent > display in a normal search. > > Hope all us "old dogs" can learn some new tricks to help us with our > research. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >