Thanks, Peter for finding this - I haven't easy access to Ancestry at the moment and hadn't fully checked where Lewis was in 1861. Do remember now that 1871 census said birthplace for Madeline was Bedford, but as all the other records I had said London for her, I thought perhaps this was an error. However, since Madeline was giving the info (with no other family with her it would seem) you wouldn't think she'd make a mistake and if census enumerator erred, it is a funny coincidence he put Bedford. The 7 year period sounds very likely, for whatever reason. Seems likely that Madeline was illegitimate, but whose child I wonder? Thomas was only 20/21 when Madeline born in 1854/5. He was still at Bishops Waltham Grammar School in 1851, then went (?) to study medecine. So still a student in 1854/5. That's a good suggestion to see if anything on A2A site. I have searched for Thomas Scard before and that's where I found some things re Thomas's father Edward Scard (including his will) Best wishes Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > Lyn / Marlene, > > Hold the phone !!!!! > > Lewis Jordan is still alive in 1861 census !!!! He has moved to > Linslade in Buckinghamshire and is shown as unmarried. > > He is the same Lewis Jordan Coal Dealer born circa 1821 at Cople that > 10 > years earlier in 1851 is married with wife Ellen and daughter Julia. > > Is it possible that Madeline was illegitimate and Ellen had to have a > seven year period of separation before she was permitted to remarry. > Either > that or she was forbidden to marry until after he died ( 'til death us do > part ). > > So who was the father of Madeline? 1871 census says she was born in > Bedford Town. 1861 says she was born in London. Did Ellen run off to > London > to hide an unexpected pregnancy? > > There are so many unresolved questions. Hopefully the 1862 Marriage > Certificate will show if Ellen was single, divorced or widowed. But we > still > won't know the father of Madeline or when and where Lewis Jordan died. > > Perhaps it is worth looking on A2A to see if there was any petition for > divorce or bastardy bond. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lyn: This might be the birth you are looking for England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 Name: Madelina Jordan Year of Registration: 1854 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep District: Bedford County: Bedfordshire Volume: 3b Page: 289 Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada

Hi Chris You might very well be right! All my documents suggest birth is between July 1854 and June 1855 (1861 census, her death cert, her arrival in Aust in June 1874 (age 19) Madeline could easily look like Madelina I have just been on freebmd and found another candidate! Madeline Jourdain March Qtr 1855 London 1c 85 I think these are both worth checking! Best wishes Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Andrew" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > Hi Lyn: > > This might be the birth you are looking for > > England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 > Name: Madelina Jordan > Year of Registration: 1854 > Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep > District: Bedford > County: Bedfordshire > Volume: 3b > Page: 289 > > Chris Andrew > Ontario, Canada > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >