Well unless they have told whoppers you should get a good idea from ages, occupations and perhaps witnesses. I've searched Pancras/Bedford etc using just Madeline but no luck unless of course Ellen had a baby between Lewis's demise and her marriage to Scard then you would have try all for a birth cert citing Mother's name only! I've tried Madeline/Madeleine with Jordan/ Naden and Scard! But she might have had a first name like Ellen or hergrandmother's name of course! Isn't family history fun! Cheers Marlene Lyn Mealey wrote: > Hi Marlene > > This looks VERY promising - and thrilling! I will order it straight away! > > I've spent so much time looking for this marriage - I must have seen this > one before as I thought in the beginning that Thomas Scard would be easy to > search so I know I've put in Thomas Scard with no dates - discarded > obviously because no Ellen. Did not think of doing the Pancras search - > thank you! Also until recently I didn't know Ellen's maiden name so that > would have restricted me. I'll let you know! > > Thank you > Lyn > Sydney > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:23 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > > > >> Thomas SCARD married Pancras March Q 1862 1b/32*. >> (I searched between 1851 and 1865 to cover the possibility that they >> lived together before marriage and /or over the Census.) >> >> He possibly married Ellen NADEN whose name is not recorded on Free BMD >> unless you put NO NAMES just March Q to Mar Q 1862 and choose Pancras >> from the list of districts on the right hand side. Then she appears >> with a reference number that could well match 1b/32. >> >> WHY Ellen chose to marrry using her maiden name is perhaps hinted at by >> her daughter not joining them initially in Australia!! >> But I think you would be quite safe purchasing Thomas Scard's 1862 >> marriage with the proviso that the bride is Ellen Naden. >> >> * You'll note that on Thomas's entry there are two males and only >> female. You have the Qtr Year and District and if you enter those >> details with no names you can search the whole list of those who married >> in that Qtr/Year/District forthe name that is missing. OR match the ref >> numbers. >> Good luck Lyn >> Marlene >> New Zealand >> >> >> Lyn Mealey wrote: >> >>> Hi Peter >>> >>> Thanks for your interest, Peter. >>> >>> Madeline born (London -1851 census and her marriage cert ) about 1854/55 >>> (6 >>> in 1851 census) Have searched freebmd, bmd on FindmyPast - have tried >>> many >>> variations of Scard as often wrongly read as Seard or Scaid (have Starr >>> and >>> Scarr on Aus certs) - nothing! >>> >>> Her father Thomas Scard (Surgeon) obtained MRCS in 1859 whilst in the >>> army >>> (according to Royal College of Surgeons and reported in London Times) >>> however I cannot find him in Army Records (tried online and at Kew last >>> year). He came to Aust on at least 2 voyages as ship's surgeon, and in >>> 1866 >>> stayed. Ellen was here by 1867. Madeline at home in England (11 or 12 - >>> very strange!) don't know where until a domestic servant in 1871 census. >>> Madeline came to Sydney in 1874 (father Thomas died 1871, mother Ellen in >>> Balmain - married Thomas Mountsten Wright in 1880 and died in 1882). At >>> the >>> time of Thomas' death in 1871, there was an inquest at which Ellen stated >>> that "we have been married twelve years; we have one child (a girl)" - >>> this >>> makes marriage about 1859 - as mentioned before cannot find a record. >>> >>> >From IGI (tells me father Noah) and Freebmd, Ellen Naden married Lewis >>> Jordan in 1849. At baptism in 1831 Ellen in Bedford St Mary; in 1841 >>> Census >>> Ellen Naden living Bedford St Paul; in 1851 (now Ellen Jordan) her >>> birthplace given as Bedford St John; in 1861 (now Ellen Scard) birthplace >>> Bedford, Bedfordshire. On Ellen's death cert and Madeline's marriage >>> cert, >>> Ellen's birthplace just Bedford. >>> >>> No other children with Thomas, Ellen and Madeline in 1861 and no children >>> at >>> all mentioned on any of the Aust certs. In Thomas' death, the coroner >>> was >>> the informant, in Ellen's death a hospital wardsman! (even though both >>> spouses were both around) >>> >>> Hopefully, this clarifies (or muddies!) things. >>> >>> Lyn >>> Sydney >>> Aust >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> >>> To: <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:27 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Lyn, >>>> >>>> I need some more details, I'm afraid. You don't say when and where >>>> Madeline was born and you don't say how and when the family came to >>>> Australia. I'm also not sure if you use Bedford as the city or the >>>> county. >>>> Specific parish locations would help. >>>> >>>> Have you found any marriages? If Ellen was born c1831, it's highly >>>> likely she would be married by 1851. Have you compared her place of >>>> residence in 1841 with birthplace given in 1851 census. What does the >>>> 1861 >>>> entry show? >>>> >>>> Where have you looked for BDM entries?. Apart from her birth, all BDM >>>> events for Ellen are after 1837, so registration is compulsory and >>>> should >>>> be >>>> available on FreeBMD. Except for deaths, IGI for Bedfordshire has almost >>>> 99% >>>> coverage of available parish records for earlier dates. >>>> >>>> If Ellen did first marry Lewis Jordan, then what became of Julia? Are >>>> there any other children with Madeline in Kent that might give clues to >>>> a >>>> marriage date. >>>> >>>> Peter in Sydney >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Yes, family history is fun - haven't done anything I was supposed to today, but.... Name only appears everywhere as Madeline, except on one of her children's birth certs where it was Ada Madeline. Also she called her first daughter Ada Madeline, and I've tried this before. Thomas had a number of different addresses prior to 1859 (cited in 1859 Insolvency), then in 1861 they are in Bexleyheath in Kent, marriage in Pancras in 1862. Madeline born 1854/5 goodness knows where (London area somewhere) Thanks for your help! The family history 'family' is a wonderful one! Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN > Well unless they have told whoppers you should get a good idea from > ages, occupations and perhaps witnesses. > I've searched Pancras/Bedford etc using just Madeline but no luck unless > of course Ellen had a baby between Lewis's demise and her marriage to > Scard then you would have try all for a birth cert citing Mother's name > only! > I've tried Madeline/Madeleine with Jordan/ Naden and Scard! > But she might have had a first name like Ellen or hergrandmother's name > of course! > Isn't family history fun! > Cheers > Marlene > > > Lyn Mealey wrote: >> Hi Marlene >> >> This looks VERY promising - and thrilling! I will order it straight away! >> >> I've spent so much time looking for this marriage - I must have seen this >> one before as I thought in the beginning that Thomas Scard would be easy >> to >> search so I know I've put in Thomas Scard with no dates - discarded >> obviously because no Ellen. Did not think of doing the Pancras search - >> thank you! Also until recently I didn't know Ellen's maiden name so that >> would have restricted me. I'll let you know! >> >> Thank you >> Lyn >> Sydney >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlene Shipman" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 2:23 PM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN >> >> >> >>> Thomas SCARD married Pancras March Q 1862 1b/32*. >>> (I searched between 1851 and 1865 to cover the possibility that they >>> lived together before marriage and /or over the Census.) >>> >>> He possibly married Ellen NADEN whose name is not recorded on Free BMD >>> unless you put NO NAMES just March Q to Mar Q 1862 and choose Pancras >>> from the list of districts on the right hand side. Then she appears >>> with a reference number that could well match 1b/32. >>> >>> WHY Ellen chose to marrry using her maiden name is perhaps hinted at by >>> her daughter not joining them initially in Australia!! >>> But I think you would be quite safe purchasing Thomas Scard's 1862 >>> marriage with the proviso that the bride is Ellen Naden. >>> >>> * You'll note that on Thomas's entry there are two males and only >>> female. You have the Qtr Year and District and if you enter those >>> details with no names you can search the whole list of those who married >>> in that Qtr/Year/District forthe name that is missing. OR match the ref >>> numbers. >>> Good luck Lyn >>> Marlene >>> New Zealand >>> >>> >>> Lyn Mealey wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Peter >>>> >>>> Thanks for your interest, Peter. >>>> >>>> Madeline born (London -1851 census and her marriage cert ) about >>>> 1854/55 >>>> (6 >>>> in 1851 census) Have searched freebmd, bmd on FindmyPast - have tried >>>> many >>>> variations of Scard as often wrongly read as Seard or Scaid (have Starr >>>> and >>>> Scarr on Aus certs) - nothing! >>>> >>>> Her father Thomas Scard (Surgeon) obtained MRCS in 1859 whilst in the >>>> army >>>> (according to Royal College of Surgeons and reported in London Times) >>>> however I cannot find him in Army Records (tried online and at Kew last >>>> year). He came to Aust on at least 2 voyages as ship's surgeon, and in >>>> 1866 >>>> stayed. Ellen was here by 1867. Madeline at home in England (11 or >>>> 12 - >>>> very strange!) don't know where until a domestic servant in 1871 >>>> census. >>>> Madeline came to Sydney in 1874 (father Thomas died 1871, mother Ellen >>>> in >>>> Balmain - married Thomas Mountsten Wright in 1880 and died in 1882). >>>> At >>>> the >>>> time of Thomas' death in 1871, there was an inquest at which Ellen >>>> stated >>>> that "we have been married twelve years; we have one child (a girl)" - >>>> this >>>> makes marriage about 1859 - as mentioned before cannot find a record. >>>> >>>> >From IGI (tells me father Noah) and Freebmd, Ellen Naden married Lewis >>>> Jordan in 1849. At baptism in 1831 Ellen in Bedford St Mary; in 1841 >>>> Census >>>> Ellen Naden living Bedford St Paul; in 1851 (now Ellen Jordan) her >>>> birthplace given as Bedford St John; in 1861 (now Ellen Scard) >>>> birthplace >>>> Bedford, Bedfordshire. On Ellen's death cert and Madeline's marriage >>>> cert, >>>> Ellen's birthplace just Bedford. >>>> >>>> No other children with Thomas, Ellen and Madeline in 1861 and no >>>> children >>>> at >>>> all mentioned on any of the Aust certs. In Thomas' death, the coroner >>>> was >>>> the informant, in Ellen's death a hospital wardsman! (even though both >>>> spouses were both around) >>>> >>>> Hopefully, this clarifies (or muddies!) things. >>>> >>>> Lyn >>>> Sydney >>>> Aust >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> >>>> To: <[email protected]> >>>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 10:27 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [BDF] Ellen NADEN dau of Noah NADEN >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Lyn, >>>>> >>>>> I need some more details, I'm afraid. You don't say when and where >>>>> Madeline was born and you don't say how and when the family came to >>>>> Australia. I'm also not sure if you use Bedford as the city or the >>>>> county. >>>>> Specific parish locations would help. >>>>> >>>>> Have you found any marriages? If Ellen was born c1831, it's highly >>>>> likely she would be married by 1851. Have you compared her place of >>>>> residence in 1841 with birthplace given in 1851 census. What does the >>>>> 1861 >>>>> entry show? >>>>> >>>>> Where have you looked for BDM entries?. Apart from her birth, all >>>>> BDM >>>>> events for Ellen are after 1837, so registration is compulsory and >>>>> should >>>>> be >>>>> available on FreeBMD. Except for deaths, IGI for Bedfordshire has >>>>> almost >>>>> 99% >>>>> coverage of available parish records for earlier dates. >>>>> >>>>> If Ellen did first marry Lewis Jordan, then what became of Julia? >>>>> Are >>>>> there any other children with Madeline in Kent that might give clues >>>>> to >>>>> a >>>>> marriage date. >>>>> >>>>> Peter in Sydney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The List Guidelines >>>>> >>>>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >