Two queries: 1) in respect to Ann Stringer..#10 in generation Three, what does the 1817 - BASTARDY actually mean? Is Thomas Wagstaff agreeing to look after Ann or is he owning to be the father of a child born while James Hytt is incarcerated?. and 2) Do you know where James Hytt was transported to and on what vessel. I searched the convict details for New South Wales and Tasmania but cant seem to trace him. Regards...George ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records This is what I think the Hite family looks like, which is not much more than I posted on Saturday put into logical format, and with a few censuses added. Descendants of John Height Generation One 1. John Height married Ann (-?-). Children of John Height and Ann (-?-) were: + 2 i. Robert Height, b. 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds; m. Ann Jeakins. Generation Two 2. Robert Height was born on 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds.1 He married Ann Jeakins on 27 Dec 1757 at Thurleigh, Beds.2 He was buried on 11 Jun 1787 at Colmworth, Beds.3 Ann was buried at Colmworth on 19 March 1827 aged c89.3 Children of Robert Height and Ann Jeakins all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 3 i. John Hytt was christened on 10 Jun 1759.4 4 ii. Mary Hytt was christened on 25 Oct 1761.5 5 iii. Ann Hytt was christened on 27 Mar 1763.6 6 iv. Thomas Hytt was christened on 20 Apr 1766.7 7 v. William Hytt was christened on 26 Mar 1769.8 8 vi. Robert Hytt was christened on 19 May 1771.9 9 vii. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 10 Aug 1774.10 She was buried on 20 Aug 1774 at Colmworth, Beds.11 + 10 viii. James Hytt, b. 28 Apr 1776; m. Ann Stringer. + 11 ix. Samuel Hytt, b. 6 Sep 1778; m. Jane (-?-). 12 x. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 12 Nov 1780.12 She was buried on 18 Nov 1780 at Colmworth, Beds.13 Generation Three 10. James Hytt was christened on 28 Apr 1776 at Colmworth, Beds.14 He married Ann Stringer on 27 Mar 1795 - she was buried at Colmworth on 11 March 1833 aged c55.13 On 25 May 1805 aged 27, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with sheep stealing, and was found guilty on 24 July 1805, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Hulks at Woolwich.15 Any children born after Mary could not have been James' as he had been transported. 1817 - BASTARDY - Recognizances: Thomas Wagstaff, Colmworth, bastardy. (Woman's husband has been in foreign parts under sentence of transportation for some years.) ANN HITE.16 Children of James Hytt and Ann Stringer all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 13 i. Edith Hite was christened on 3 Apr 1796.17 She married John Spestel on 14 Jun 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.18 14 ii. Frances Hite was born c1801.19 She was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.20 She married William Wagstaff on 9 Nov 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.21 She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; William Wagstaff 45; Frances Wagstaff 40; Joseph 20; Edith 15; Ann 14.22 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Fanny Waxtaff head marr 50 lace maker b Colmworth; John Waxtaff son 6 b Colmworth.23 15 iii. William Hite was christened on 15 Apr 1798.24 16 iv. Samuel Hite was born circa 1801. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.25 On 8 Nov 1820 aged 19, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with burglary, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Justitia Hulk at Woolwich on 8 May 1821.26 17 v. Mary Hite was born on 25 Oct 1805.27 She was christened on 14 Mar 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.28 She was buried on 26 Aug 1823 at Colmworth, Beds; age 18.29 Children of Ann Stringer all born Colmworth, Beds include: 18 James Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds. He married Sibel Stock on 25 Oct 1830. He married Harriet Haynes on 31 Oct 1837 at Ravensden, Beds - James 28 father Samuel; Harriet 22 father William. He witnessed the burial of Sibel Stock on 3 Feb 1837 at Colmworth, Beds; age 26. He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Ravensden, Beds;James Hite 30 ag lab; Harriet Hite 25; Jane Hite 10; Eliza Hite 7; Rebeckah Hite 6mths. He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Thurleigh, Beds; James Hite head marr 40 Grocer b Colmworth; Harriet Hite wife 38 b Ravensden; Eliza Hite 17 dau b Ravensden; Rebecca Hite dau 10 b Ravensden; Bethshebar Hite dau 8 b Ravensden; William Hite son 6 b Ravensden; Harriet Hite dau 2 b Ravensden; Isabela Hite dau 2 b Ravensden. Children of James Hite and Sibel Stock both born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 21 i. Jane Hite was born in 1831. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 22 ii. Eliza Hite was born in 1834. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 19 ii. Rebecca Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. 20 iii. Maria Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. She married Charles Shimmans on 27 Oct 1834 at Colmworth, Beds. 11. Samuel Hytt was christened on 6 Sep 1778 at Colmworth, Beds.30 He married Jane (-?-). He was buried on 13 Jul 1847 at Colmworth, Beds; age 68.31 Children of Samuel Hytt and Jane (-?-) all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 23 i. William Hite was born circa 1815.32,33 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 36 ag lab b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 57 b Colmworth.34 He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 46 shepherd b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 66 b Colmworth.35 24 ii. Samuel Hite was born circa 1817.36,37 He married Sarah Huckle on 28 Oct 1844 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel, father Samuel; Sarah, father William.38 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel Hite head marr 34 ag lab; Sarah Hite wife 29; William Hite son 3; Samuel Hite son 7 mths. All born Colmworth.39 25 iii. James Hite was born circa 1818.40,41 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.42 26 iv. Hannah Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds.43 She was christened on 11 Mar 1821.44 She married John Abrams on 12 Oct 1827 at Colmworth, Beds.45 She was buried on 19 May 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; age 31.46 27 v. Sarah Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.47 28 vi. Susan Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.48 29 vii. Charlotte Hight was christened on 30 Jun 1823.49 She married John Colgrave on 12 Apr 1842 at Colmworth, Beds.50 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.51 Happy for it to be shot down! I can go and watch Bastille Day fireworks quite happily now! David --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, David <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: David <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records > À: [email protected] > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 8h08 > I have both the Colmworth transcript and the BVRI, to which > I referred in my postings of Saturday, plus the NBI. I > think you may be trying to reinvent the wheel, Peter, as I > spent half of Saturday putting these Hites/Hights/Hytts > together. > > There's nothing in the BVRI indicating the ages of the > late baptisms, other than Mary where her 1805 birth date is > given and which I quoted earlier, and other than what can be > gleaned from burials, censuses, and the fact that of the > five children baptised on 18 Jul 1819 three were children > of Ann Hite, and two were children of James and Ann Hite, > which taken together with the A2A bastardy reference that I > found, makes it fairly certain that the two legitimate > children were born before 1805 when James was transported, > and the other three illegitimate ones were born after 1805. > > There's a John EYTE in Colmworth in 1841 and I wonder > if this might be another variation. > > Being some sort of public holiday here today in France > I'll put together a tree in my genealogy program and > post it later on. > > David > > > --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, Peter Booth > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > De: Peter Booth <[email protected]> > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish > Records > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 4h55 > > Does anyone have access to Colmworth Parish records > that > > might assist > > with this query? > > > > From observations of the Colmworth batches it > looks > > like male > > christenings are missing and that there was a practice > of > > many family > > christenings being performed on the one day. I'm > > wondering if PR's might > > record the actual ages of those being baptised. > > > > 1841 census shows only three HITE families in > > Bedfordshire, one at > > Colmworth, one at Ravensden and the third at Wilden. > Only > > one person is aged > > over 40. And there are no Hite variants in Colmworth. > > > > I might look to trace some of the BDM events > through to > > later censuses. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente > http://mail.yahoo.fr _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. 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George, Sorry I've been a bit quiet. My daughter gets on the computer and I can't get a go. If you search Google using "bastardy bond" in inverted commas you will get some good definitions. Basically, what we now class as social security was the responsibility of the parish where they were born. So you have Poor Law Unions, Workhouses etc. I have seen cases where a widow and children where put on a cart and sent back to their parish of origin, because their new parish denied any responsibility for caring for them after the breadwinner died. As for James Hytt, we don't know what happened and it may be very difficult. I had exactly the same occurrence with my Cox ancestors from Bedford. The son stole a turkey and took it home to feed the family. Both were sentenced to transportation - the son for stealing and the father for receiving. Both went initially to the Hulks in the Thames because the gaols were full. There they would have waited for the transport ships. Imagine the conditions. The Hulks were ships that had outlived their usefulness and were leaky and rotting. Imagine the water and sanitary conditions with 400-500 prisoners on board. If you thought a three month trip to Australia was perilous, it was probably a luxury compared to the hulks. As for my family, I found the son in Australian convict records, but could never find his father. I surmised he died on the hulks and eventually was able to find a record proving this. He was deemed to ill for transportation and left to die. I will have to look back and see if I can locate the records of death on the hulks. But I think it was a ship by ship basis, so we may need a ship's name. It's also possible that he was transported elsewhere. Australia was not the only destination for transportation. I know Canada and the Caribbean were also used and perhaps there were others. Peter