Bill, It looks like this is going to take some concentrated research. David has provided some good clues, but it requires follow up. I don't know the answers either. But I found a few more clues. In 1841 census, Ancestry records them as YALES. William and Lydia are living alone in Flitton. But the original image is very feint. By 1851, William has died. Lydia Yates, widow is living with grandchildren William Bunker 17 and Ruth Bunker 15, but there is no sign of parents. I went back to 1841 to find Ruth, but Ancestry have her as a single entry even though she is only 5. I couldn't find a match for William. I'd suggest you try look at an alternative census source like FindMyPast or others. Often they have different transcriptions and spellings. I'd also try and trace William and Ruth through subsequent censuses. Often parents or relative come back to live with them in old age. I think it's a case of roll up the sleeves and get into some hard research. Peter

Peter I know it's going to be a slog. There's no suitable YATES anywhere on IGI in Beds even though when you study the 1841 entry William is born Beds! The 1841 entry has in one household 2 families. William Yates 55 Ag Lab Y Lydia 55 Y Elizabeth Bunker 30 Charwoman (?) Y Sarah 9 Y William 7 Y Ancestry had them as YALES and BONTER !! As you ha noted Ruth is eleswhere (with the WOOLFREY family) Sarah, William and Ruth's baptisms are on IGI (parents Thomas and Elizabeth BUNKER) As is Elizabeth's subsequent marriage to John CHAPMAN in 1845 which reveals her father as William YATES. This all started when trying to locate more about Elizabeth's son Joseph born 1842 whose father is neither Thomas BUNKER nor John CHAPMAN (no father on birth cert and no father on 1842 baptism). In 1851 Elizabeth is with new huband John son Joseph, new dau Mary Ann age 4 (she appears in 1891 and 1901) as his half sister! And John from John's previous marriage to Ann. Sarah marries Abel DENTON in 1850 (his sister Thirza married my 7C4R William STAPLETON - on same page of GRO so could be same date) William marries Eliza KEECH 1858 and Rachel PEDDER 1870. Ruth marries William SWANNELL 1855 (lost them after 1861 The Brick Wall I face is going back on William and Lydia - hence need to see if anything extra in the Ampthill PRs transcripts or original for around 1806. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 15 April 2008 01:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BDF] HAITES in Ampthill PRs Bill, It looks like this is going to take some concentrated research. David has provided some good clues, but it requires follow up. I don't know the answers either. But I found a few more clues. In 1841 census, Ancestry records them as YALES. William and Lydia are living alone in Flitton. But the original image is very feint. By 1851, William has died. Lydia Yates, widow is living with grandchildren William Bunker 17 and Ruth Bunker 15, but there is no sign of parents. I went back to 1841 to find Ruth, but Ancestry have her as a single entry even though she is only 5. I couldn't find a match for William. I'd suggest you try look at an alternative census source like FindMyPast or others. Often they have different transcriptions and spellings. I'd also try and trace William and Ruth through subsequent censuses. Often parents or relative come back to live with them in old age. I think it's a case of roll up the sleeves and get into some hard research. Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message