Kia Ora from New Zealand First Eliza Anne Johnson appears to have been born Sept Q 1847 Bedford 6/44.. At least that is where a birth was registered.So you should find her in 1851 hopefully with her parents. Source Free BMD. I presume you have Lavendon Bucks from censii as her place of birth? There is a birth registered Dec Q 1847 Newport Pragnell. There is a baptism of Eliza Johnson with father Robert & mother Alice Caroline at St John the Baptist London birth 27 April and Baptism 20 August 1847. A Joseph Denton was also baptised in London about that time, with a father named Samuel. I note that living next door to the Johnsons in 1881 is a Sarah Denton with niece Kate Johnson. Is that significant? Have you checked for emigration? The 1870s/80s were high points for those wishing to move to Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Some who did well stayed for a couple of decades and returned to England. Have you checked censii for initials like JD & ED? If so they may have fallen on hard times following the marriage. Are they known to have had children? Have you followed all of them? I write the above as ideas for exploration/elimination. Sometimes it is necessary to research by different experiences people may have had in life! Good Luck Marlene --- On Mon, 28/6/10, normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 4:02 PM Can anyone help with this family. I have the marriage certificate 15 December 1881 for JOSEPH DENTON aged 27 a Labourer at Midland Station Bedford, bachelor, father is Samuel Denton Labourer, to ELIZA ANNE JOHNSON age 25 years (age is incorrect as she was born appx. 1847) spinster, father is Robert Johnson a builder. Married at Register Office Bedford. Witness' are Geo Johnson and S. Wadsworth - brother and sister of Eliza. Eliza was born appx. 1847 in Lavendon, Buckinghamshire and I have her on the 1861(13yrs),1871 (23yrs),1881 (33yrs) census' but I cannot find them after their marriage in 1881. She possibly changed her age on the marriage certificate as she would have been 33 and Joseph 27, so I am not sure what age she used in the intervening years. There is a possible death of an Eliza Ann Denton on Free BMD in 1894 but if this is her, where was she in 1891, I have searched but cannot find them. If anyone is researching the Denton's or can shed any light on these folk it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards, Norma Johnson The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Marlene, Yes I have Eliza Ann aged 3, born Dec. 1/4 1847 Newport Pagnall,Bucks. with her parents Robert and Eliza Johnson and family living at Castle Lane, Lavendon, Buckinghamshire in 1851. I am interested in the baptism of Joseph Denton with father Samuel as that would be correct, do you have any more information on that. According to Joseph's marriage certificate he would have been born appx.1854. I have no information on Joseph's birth, which would be helpful in my search. I am following the descendant family of Robert and Eliza Johnson, by husbands g.grandparents. The daughter Eliza who married Joseph Denton is one child as is Kate Johnson who was staying with her Aunt Sarah Denton in 1881. At the point I had that information I did not know Eliza had married a Denton. So I have come full circle, I wonder did Eliza marry a cousin? You mention emigration, where would I search for emigration, there seems to be passenger lists for those going into England, but I have been unable to find anything for those leaving UK between 1881 and 1891. I have nothing on Eliza and Joseph beyond their marriage in 1881 and would love to know if they had children. I will follow up your suggestion of JD and ED in the census. Thank you so much for all the research Marlene, Kind Regards, Norma Johnson - also in N.Z.! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON Kia Ora from New Zealand First Eliza Anne Johnson appears to have been born Sept Q 1847 Bedford 6/44.. At least that is where a birth was registered.So you should find her in 1851 hopefully with her parents. Source Free BMD. I presume you have Lavendon Bucks from censii as her place of birth? There is a birth registered Dec Q 1847 Newport Pragnell. There is a baptism of Eliza Johnson with father Robert & mother Alice Caroline at St John the Baptist London birth 27 April and Baptism 20 August 1847. A Joseph Denton was also baptised in London about that time, with a father named Samuel. I note that living next door to the Johnsons in 1881 is a Sarah Denton with niece Kate Johnson. Is that significant? Have you checked for emigration? The 1870s/80s were high points for those wishing to move to Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Some who did well stayed for a couple of decades and returned to England. Have you checked censii for initials like JD & ED? If so they may have fallen on hard times following the marriage. Are they known to have had children? Have you followed all of them? I write the above as ideas for exploration/elimination. Sometimes it is necessary to research by different experiences people may have had in life! Good Luck Marlene --- On Mon, 28/6/10, normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 4:02 PM Can anyone help with this family. I have the marriage certificate 15 December 1881 for JOSEPH DENTON aged 27 a Labourer at Midland Station Bedford, bachelor, father is Samuel Denton Labourer, to ELIZA ANNE JOHNSON age 25 years (age is incorrect as she was born appx. 1847) spinster, father is Robert Johnson a builder. Married at Register Office Bedford. Witness' are Geo Johnson and S. Wadsworth - brother and sister of Eliza. Eliza was born appx. 1847 in Lavendon, Buckinghamshire and I have her on the 1861(13yrs),1871 (23yrs),1881 (33yrs) census' but I cannot find them after their marriage in 1881. She possibly changed her age on the marriage certificate as she would have been 33 and Joseph 27, so I am not sure what age she used in the intervening years. There is a possible death of an Eliza Ann Denton on Free BMD in 1894 but if this is her, where was she in 1891, I have searched but cannot find them. If anyone is researching the Denton's or can shed any light on these folk it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards, Norma Johnson The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Kia Ora!! For emigration from UK you will need to search Passenger lists going INTO Australia, Canada & NZ, a bit of a haul but well worth it! TRY searching Google for VICTORIA Passenger Lists for Australia and then each individual state. USA & Canada lists are available also _ Ancestry? Try your nearest large library to see if they have Ancestry available - many do. The Joseph Denton baptism I found on the Mormon site, so again check your nearest Mormon Church Family History centre and see what they have available.. Make sure you explore EVERY sibling of each generation as you often find patterns of naming, occupation, and locality as you have in 1881. Start with parents & grandparents of your husband as it's amazing what knowledge an older person might have or what is in the tin box under the bed or in the garage! Look for old photos, newspaper clippings, military records, funeral cards, school records, etc basically anything which might offer a clue - especially old letters, postcards. Have you checked Museums and Libraries in NZ in localities where the family settled in NZ? I have been amazed at what has been found- ! Cheers Marlene --- On Tue, 29/6/10, normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> Subject: Re: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON To: bedford@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, 29 June, 2010, 8:01 AM Hello Marlene, Yes I have Eliza Ann aged 3, born Dec. 1/4 1847 Newport Pagnall,Bucks. with her parents Robert and Eliza Johnson and family living at Castle Lane, Lavendon, Buckinghamshire in 1851. I am interested in the baptism of Joseph Denton with father Samuel as that would be correct, do you have any more information on that. According to Joseph's marriage certificate he would have been born appx.1854. I have no information on Joseph's birth, which would be helpful in my search. I am following the descendant family of Robert and Eliza Johnson, by husbands g.grandparents. The daughter Eliza who married Joseph Denton is one child as is Kate Johnson who was staying with her Aunt Sarah Denton in 1881. At the point I had that information I did not know Eliza had married a Denton. So I have come full circle, I wonder did Eliza marry a cousin? You mention emigration, where would I search for emigration, there seems to be passenger lists for those going into England, but I have been unable to find anything for those leaving UK between 1881 and 1891. I have nothing on Eliza and Joseph beyond their marriage in 1881 and would love to know if they had children. I will follow up your suggestion of JD and ED in the census. Thank you so much for all the research Marlene, Kind Regards, Norma Johnson - also in N.Z.! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON Kia Ora from New Zealand First Eliza Anne Johnson appears to have been born Sept Q 1847 Bedford 6/44.. At least that is where a birth was registered.So you should find her in 1851 hopefully with her parents. Source Free BMD. I presume you have Lavendon Bucks from censii as her place of birth? There is a birth registered Dec Q 1847 Newport Pragnell. There is a baptism of Eliza Johnson with father Robert & mother Alice Caroline at St John the Baptist London birth 27 April and Baptism 20 August 1847. A Joseph Denton was also baptised in London about that time, with a father named Samuel. I note that living next door to the Johnsons in 1881 is a Sarah Denton with niece Kate Johnson. Is that significant? Have you checked for emigration? The 1870s/80s were high points for those wishing to move to Australia, Canada and New Zealand. Some who did well stayed for a couple of decades and returned to England. Have you checked censii for initials like JD & ED? If so they may have fallen on hard times following the marriage. Are they known to have had children? Have you followed all of them? I write the above as ideas for exploration/elimination. Sometimes it is necessary to research by different experiences people may have had in life! Good Luck Marlene --- On Mon, 28/6/10, normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> wrote: From: normil@xtra.co.nz <normil@xtra.co.nz> Subject: [BDF] Joseph & Eliza DENTON To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 28 June, 2010, 4:02 PM Can anyone help with this family. I have the marriage certificate 15 December 1881 for JOSEPH DENTON aged 27 a Labourer at Midland Station Bedford, bachelor, father is Samuel Denton Labourer, to ELIZA ANNE JOHNSON age 25 years (age is incorrect as she was born appx. 1847) spinster, father is Robert Johnson a builder. Married at Register Office Bedford. Witness' are Geo Johnson and S. Wadsworth - brother and sister of Eliza. Eliza was born appx. 1847 in Lavendon, Buckinghamshire and I have her on the 1861(13yrs),1871 (23yrs),1881 (33yrs) census' but I cannot find them after their marriage in 1881. She possibly changed her age on the marriage certificate as she would have been 33 and Joseph 27, so I am not sure what age she used in the intervening years. There is a possible death of an Eliza Ann Denton on Free BMD in 1894 but if this is her, where was she in 1891, I have searched but cannot find them. If anyone is researching the Denton's or can shed any light on these folk it would be much appreciated. Kind Regards, Norma Johnson The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message