Peter, Firstly thanks for the information. The NORTHWOOD line is not on one of the direct lines I am researching - However, I have them back to the Mid 1700's. The reason I am doing work on the Northwood's is because it would appear ( from another researcher who has proven reliable on other parts of the family) that George Northwood married Katie SUMMERFIELD and the Summerfields are on one of my direct lines. Katie is the product of a marriage between two Summerfileds (2nd Cousins) her father being Philip George Summerfield (born: 1860, Maulden) and Martha Summerfield (born: 1859, Maulden) and is bioth my wife's: 1st Cousin 2x Removed and 3rd Cousin 2x Removed. Given that the above is not an isolated case with the Bedfordshire side of the family I decided many moons ago to not just research the direct lines but also look at the relationships between the different families. I no longer think of a family tree but rather a family shrub with lots of off-shoots and more then the occasional crossing branch. Regards Kevin

Hi Lister's came across this one to day and it brought a smile to my face, so thought I would share - it also demonstrates the requirement to look at originals and not rely on transcriptions if possible. I was searching the 1901 Census on Ancestry for George NORTHWOOD born 22 May 1874 in Maulden, Beds - son of Joseph & Mary Northwood. The closest I could get was: Name: George Northwood Age: 26 (Estimated birth year: abt 1875) Relation: Son Father's Name: William Gender: Male Where born: Maulden, Bedfordshire, England Civil parish: Woolwich Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary County/Island: London Country: England ED, institution, or vessel: Royal Artillery Barracks, Green Hill Schools, Repository, Gun Park and Observatory. Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 569; Folio: 93; Page: 14. At first glance I thought this can not be him since the father is different then I noticed that he was at the Royal Artillery Barracks and thought why would a father & son be there? Viewing the Image showed that all 25 entries on the same page are listed as sons in the "Relation to Head of Family or Position in the Institution", guess a clerk in the Army read the form wrong, since technically they are all probably somebodies son and given they are all below the age of 30 there was a good chance that their parents were still alive, but obviously we know that's not what was wanted. Like I said I'm posting this as a lesson that even when dealing with forms that you would think stand a good chance of being correct - do not take at face value check and apply a bit of thought Regards Kevin

> Hi listers, > > Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing > them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several > families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and > 1891. > > I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet > another family that seems to have done the same. > > So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to > Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? Most of the rural counties in the south and west were suffering from an agricultural depression. All the jobs were in industry in the north and north midlands. So you had the choice - stay and starve, or move and eat. There were some actual schemes to transfer labour - as in the 1830s, when clergymen arrnaged moves of whole families to the cotton mills. This was an experiment and well documented. Once it had shown success, the moving was usually left to the individual, though in some cases, groups from one village got together and decided to try it. Derbyshire offered some textile jobs, and plenty in mining - after all, if a man could dig the fields he could dig the coal and iron out.

Quite a number of my relatives moved from Beds. to Derbyshire in that period, almost all to work in the mines. The work was hard but the pay much better than for agricultural labouring work. Pamela ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Poile" <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > Hi listers, > > Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing > them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several > families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and > 1891.

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A daughter from my family Elizabeth Copperwaite moved in 1891 (Bedford to Derbyshire and married 1892) to a David Payne who was born in Bedford and he moved between census 1881 and 1891. I could not work out why they moved and with a guess I thought there may had been a falling out of families, therefore the move. Your explanation seems to be the reason Stella; work. Thank you for this Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Blain" <jill.blain1@btopenworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > Perhaps work was in short supply in Bedfordshire at that time and they > thought it was worth the risk. > My Gt.grandfather moved from Tempsford to Wakefield at about the same > time. > He was a platelayer on the railways and family legend has it that he was > involved in building the line that runs just outside Tempsford. As they > grew > up all his sons found work with the railway company in the Wakefield area > as > well, so it was a good move! > > Jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Poile" <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:25 PM > Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > > >> Hi listers, >> >> Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing >> them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several >> families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and >> 1891. >> >> I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet >> another family that seems to have done the same. >> >> So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to >> Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It >> seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to >> "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. >> >> I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by >> canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved >> seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. >> >> Looking forward to the replies. >> >> Kevin >> >> Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and >> SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a similar situation in my family only they moved from Bedfordshire to Lincolnshire. They were agricultural workers and although I have no proof I believe the move was due to the Agricultural Strikes that took place in the early 1870's. I haven't got the exact details to hand but my understanding was that in the early 1870's the landowners kept reducing the wages paid to agricultural workers which resulted in a series of strikes which weren't settled until the mid 1870's. I understood that Lincolnshire was one of the first counties to settle and have always assumed that my ancestors were so desperate to keep their family together that this is why they moved. Tony Falla -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Poile Sent: 15 January 2010 23:25 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire Hi listers, Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and 1891. I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet another family that seems to have done the same. So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. Looking forward to the replies. Kevin Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No! He was born in 1841 and moved to Wakefield in the late 1870s. He was a platelayer in the 1871 census. I have a photo of him and some other men actually working on the tracks in the Wakefield area. He must have been quite old by then, as he had a white beard! Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > The line through Tempsford opened around 1850, and was extended to four > tracks around 1890 - does this tie up with your family folk lore? > > Peter Jarmam > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Jill Blain > Sent: 16 January 2010 00:01 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > > Perhaps work was in short supply in Bedfordshire at that time and they > thought it was worth the risk. > My Gt.grandfather moved from Tempsford to Wakefield at about the same > time. > He was a platelayer on the railways and family legend has it that he was > involved in building the line that runs just outside Tempsford. As they > grew > > up all his sons found work with the railway company in the Wakefield area > as > > well, so it was a good move! > > Jill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kevin Poile" <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:25 PM > Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > > >> Hi listers, >> >> Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing >> them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several >> families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and >> 1891. >> >> I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet >> another family that seems to have done the same. >> >> So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to >> Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It >> seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to >> "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. >> >> I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by >> canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved >> seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. >> >> Looking forward to the replies. >> >> Kevin >> >> Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and >> SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: > 01/15/10 > 07:35:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The line through Tempsford opened around 1850, and was extended to four tracks around 1890 - does this tie up with your family folk lore? Peter Jarmam -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jill Blain Sent: 16 January 2010 00:01 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire Perhaps work was in short supply in Bedfordshire at that time and they thought it was worth the risk. My Gt.grandfather moved from Tempsford to Wakefield at about the same time. He was a platelayer on the railways and family legend has it that he was involved in building the line that runs just outside Tempsford. As they grew up all his sons found work with the railway company in the Wakefield area as well, so it was a good move! Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Poile" <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:25 PM Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > Hi listers, > > Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing > them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several > families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and > 1891. > > I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet > another family that seems to have done the same. > > So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to > Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It > seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to > "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. > > I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by > canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved > seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. > > Looking forward to the replies. > > Kevin > > Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and > SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.432 / Virus Database: 270.14.142/2623 - Release Date: 01/15/10 07:35:00

I too have a family which moved from Great Barford, Beds to Lincolnshire. It has been interesting reading the threads. I had a brick wall for about 15 years, with my INGRAM aka THOMPSON until I was helped by a member of the Bedfordshire Mailing List. Three brothers moved from Great Barford to Brigg in Lincolnshire, they all consistenty gave their place of birth in each Census as Great Barford, but there was no trace of them in the Great Barford PR's. James b 1801, George b 1805 and Samuel b 1809 each married a Lincolnshire lass and spent the rest of their lives in and around Brigg. Their occupations were at various times, Porter in the workhouse, Shoemaker, Gardeners, Bricklayers, and later, builder, Innkeeper. I could never understand their move from Bedfordshire, then came the breakthrough when a wonderful Beds List member looked at the parish registers for me for Great Barford and found the Burial of John INGRAM aka THOMPSON in 1817. John was my 3 x Gt Grandfather Sometime between John's death and 1831 when the first of the brothers marries in Bigby, Brigg at that time had no church so the population used the nearby village of Bigby for BMD's. With this new information I was able to trace John's widow, Elizabeth nee WOOTTON, she also had moved to Lincolnshire, bringing their daughter. Elizabeth. Elizabeth Snr and all her children were using the surname THOMPSON. Now my problem is, why the change of name????? The family must have moved to obtain work, but why come north to Lincs? none of the boys were agricultural workers. Pat in Grimsby, Lincs -

Perhaps work was in short supply in Bedfordshire at that time and they thought it was worth the risk. My Gt.grandfather moved from Tempsford to Wakefield at about the same time. He was a platelayer on the railways and family legend has it that he was involved in building the line that runs just outside Tempsford. As they grew up all his sons found work with the railway company in the Wakefield area as well, so it was a good move! Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Poile" <kevin.poile@googlemail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 15, 2010 11:25 PM Subject: [BDF] Move from Bedfordshire to Derbyshire > Hi listers, > > Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing > them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several > families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and > 1891. > > I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet > another family that seems to have done the same. > > So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to > Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It > seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to > "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. > > I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by > canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved > seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. > > Looking forward to the replies. > > Kevin > > Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and > SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and 1891. I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet another family that seems to have done the same. So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to "Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. Looking forward to the replies. Kevin Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these.

Hi Kevin, Just did a little Google Search http://www.ancestry.co.uk/facts/Derbyshire-occupations.ashx http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=452815&disp=The+Leicestershire+and+South+Derbyshire+%20%20&columns=*,180,0 Cheers,Stella At 03:25 PM 15/01/2010, Kevin Poile wrote: >Hi listers, > >Whilst working on expanding my wife's Bedfordshire lines and tracing >them through the 1851 to 1901 censuse - I noticed that several >families seem to have moved to Derbyshire broadly between 1871 and >1891. > >I have been puzzling this one for a while and today came across yet >another family that seems to have done the same. > >So my question is was there a concerted effort to move families to >Derbyshire or is this something the families did on their own? It >seems a long way to travel (83 miles in a straight line - according to >"Parish Locater") on the off change that there will be work. > >I have heard of a scheme where families moved north, travelling by >canal I believe, to work in the mills but none of the people involved >seem to have jobs in mills a few go and work in the Mines. > >Looking forward to the replies. > >Kevin > >Top 4 Bedfordshire interests are FISHER, BONNER, BURROWS and >SUMMERFIELD - then all the families that interconnect to these. > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >The Bedfordshire Surnames List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The same is true of prisons; "1 Love Lane Wakefield" is the official address used for eg death and marriage certificates for those incarcerated in HMP Wakefield! Joan. Dianne Sutton wrote: > Also the use of an address of the form "3 Kimbolton Road, Bedford" > rather than something which mentioned Workhouse was not uncommon. > > I have examples from Newport Pagnell in Bucks where the place of birth > is "1 London Road", which was Newport Union Workhouse, later Renny Lodge > Hospital and closed when Milton Keynes got its hospital, and the > buildings eventually demolished and housing built on the site. > > Gavin Mclelland wrote: > >> The progression from workhouse to hospital was not uncommon. I worked >> at the Newcastle-u-Tyne General Hospital which was built on the site >> of the workhouse and many older folk in the area would try to get into >> the Royal Victoria Infirmary as they still felt it was shameful to end >> up at the General. >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Also the use of an address of the form "3 Kimbolton Road, Bedford" rather than something which mentioned Workhouse was not uncommon. I have examples from Newport Pagnell in Bucks where the place of birth is "1 London Road", which was Newport Union Workhouse, later Renny Lodge Hospital and closed when Milton Keynes got its hospital, and the buildings eventually demolished and housing built on the site. Gavin Mclelland wrote: > The progression from workhouse to hospital was not uncommon. I worked > at the Newcastle-u-Tyne General Hospital which was built on the site > of the workhouse and many older folk in the area would try to get into > the Royal Victoria Infirmary as they still felt it was shameful to end > up at the General.

Nivard, Agree with what you are saying - I was not moaning but saying I want to travel back in time to tell them that they all did a wonderful job and let them know that their work is so important to so many people - 100 plus years after they did the initial work. By "Overmark" its not just the statisticians marks but also addtional words that have been entered over the top of the original words. Regards Kevin

Well done Kevin, I hope Betty doesn't mind. I'm trying to imagine her in a rocking chair with a shawl, learning to suck eggs. Betty is an avid researcher and helps many people on this list and in NZ. While you often find misspellings in user submissions, it the first time I've seen one on an extracted record on IGI. It proves the point about trying to verify from two sources. Peter

Hi Kevin Its true to say the writing on many census pages is pretty awful but its worth remembering the census was not taken for our benefit but simply for statistics, I think we all seem to forget that The enumerators were under some pressure for little pay to get the census done and most I would suggest tried their best, they would not have had time to be as careful as we wished they would have been By *overmark* I presume you are referring to the statisticians marks which often overlap parts of the enumerators writing but sadly the purpose of the census was just that, to compile statistics so we are stuck with it Having said that the 1911 census being in the householders own writing for the first time (or whoever he chivvied into doing it) is no better on some of the pages I have seen As regards the BMD entries it is known that certain Registrars did make some up as they were paid by the entry in the early days Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Whilst I can not afford the time to visit far flung record offices I'm > working through the Census images for every one that's in my tree and > in the UK in the period 1851 - 1901 and some of the writing is > terrible. Sometime II wish I could go back and say to the > enumerator's yes you did a wonderful job but can you please write > clearly and do overmark other entries. Also some of the BMD entries > are erronous because GRO allege in the early days local registration > offices made up entries. > > Regards > > Kevin (England)

While you often find misspellings in user submissions, it the first time I've seen one on an extracted record on IGI. - At least if they've been decent enough to put a question mark against the entry it lets you know they may have had trouble reading the original. Whilst I can not afford the time to visit far flung record offices I'm working through the Census images for every one that's in my tree and in the UK in the period 1851 - 1901 and some of the writing is terrible. Sometime II wish I could go back and say to the enumerator's yes you did a wonderful job but can you please write clearly and do overmark other entries. Also some of the BMD entries are erronous because GRO allege in the early days local registration offices made up entries. Regards Kevin (England)