Hi Peter, according to the census records I have James was born in Cerkenwell, Middlesex and Ann Margaret was born in St Lukes, Middlesex. The same information is in the 1861 and the 1851 census. On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > Sharon, > > The first thing you need to do is look at the census records and extract > dates and birthplaces for James West and Ann Margaret Pickford. > > Then you should be able to go to www.familysearch.org and search using > that data. > > If he was born in Bedfordshire, there is a good chance of finding > earlier generations as most of the Parish Records have been captured. > > But with such a common name, it will be essential to get almost exact > birth year and location. Make sure you compare a couple of censuses. > > Check any BDM certificates that you may have for evidence of age, birth > details or parents. > > If you can access 1841 census, there is a good chance that both will > still be living with parents. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi I think he must have already left Bedford. His address is 39 Upper Park St Islington hers is 6 Caroline Place, City Road. They are both listed as full age. Yes Richard is listed as an ironmonger on the certificate and no he is not said to be deceased. If family history is to be believed he died in 1881. The witnesses were Daniel Wezuelin (?) and Mary Pickford According to the 1861 census James is 42 and Ann is 41. I haven't been able to find Richard at all on the censii, but might have been looking in the wrong region. I just looked for James and couldn't find him either, although there is a James born in England at about the right time that ended up in Canada. Maybe he went there. I will try to follow up on the Hitchin church and see how I go. thanks, Sharon On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz>wrote: > Hi > JAMES WEST married Ann Margaret PICKFORD June Q 1842 at St Lukes Middlesex > so had he already left Bedford or did he go there after his marriage? > What addresses did they give? > Have you checked the witnesses to see if they are family - on either side? > What ages did they give? > Presumbly Richard was noted as an ironmonger on the cert? > Was Richard said to be deceased? > You say you have the family on later censii so presumably you have an age > and place of birth? You might need to check on both James and Benjamin at > least on all censii to ascertain their locations and stated occupations.I > cannot see a likely couple on the 1881 so were Ann & James already > deceased? > Check on Free BMD for the 10 years after a disappearance from the census > for likely deaths.. > > MOST importantly have you recorded ALL of your parents & their siblings > details, grandparents & siblings, great grandparents & siblings etc. > Patterns often emerge as to locations, occupations, and other affiliations. > Family forenames being another. > This is very important when you have a "popular" surname to research. > Once you have the essential facts together it is easier to find additional > info such as burials, funeral notices/obits, articles in magazines, local > history books, military records, Workhouse records, Hospital records etc. > > Have you checked the story of Hitchin Church? > Cheers > Marlene > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> > To: <BEDFORD@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:43 PM > Subject: [BDF] James WEST > > > > Hi List, > > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist > > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family > tradition > > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some > > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is > > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he > > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he > > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC > > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, > > who > > was apparently an ironmonger. > > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret > > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later > > family > > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life > > and > > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, > > thanks, > > Sharon > > New South Wales, > > Australia > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sharon, The first thing you need to do is look at the census records and extract dates and birthplaces for James West and Ann Margaret Pickford. Then you should be able to go to www.familysearch.org and search using that data. If he was born in Bedfordshire, there is a good chance of finding earlier generations as most of the Parish Records have been captured. But with such a common name, it will be essential to get almost exact birth year and location. Make sure you compare a couple of censuses. Check any BDM certificates that you may have for evidence of age, birth details or parents. If you can access 1841 census, there is a good chance that both will still be living with parents. Peter in Sydney

Hi List, my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist specialising in stained glass window design. according to family tradition his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, who was apparently an ironmonger. I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later family life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life and his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, thanks, Sharon New South Wales, Australia

Bedford has Tavistock *Street*, not road! It is commercial now, rather than mainly residential. Joan. David wrote: > A lot of information was given in your earlier thread earlier this month. It was also suggested that Tavistock Rd, Bedford was actually in London, around Bedford Square, an idea that I found persuasive. As all of the other facts place him in London, I have grave doubts that he was ever in Bedford > > Hitchin is a separate town, in Hertfordshire, 20 miles from the town of Bedford > > David > > --- En date de : Lun 22.2.10, Sharon Mathieson <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> a écrit : > > >> De: Sharon Mathieson <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> >> Objet: Re: [BDF] James WEST >> À: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Date: Lundi 22 février 2010, 12h30 >> Hi Peter, >> according to the census records I have James was born in >> Cerkenwell, >> Middlesex and Ann Margaret was born in St Lukes, Middlesex. >> The same >> information is in the 1861 and the 1851 census. >> >> On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au>wrote: >> >> >>> Sharon, >>> >>> The first thing you need to do is look at >>> >> the census records and extract >> >>> dates and birthplaces for James West and Ann Margaret >>> >> Pickford. >> >>> Then you should be able to go to >>> >> www.familysearch.org and search using >> >>> that data. >>> >>> If he was born in Bedfordshire, there is >>> >> a good chance of finding >> >>> earlier generations as most of the Parish Records have >>> >> been captured. >> >>> But with such a common name, it will be >>> >> essential to get almost exact >> >>> birth year and location. Make sure you compare a >>> >> couple of censuses. >> >>> Check any BDM certificates that you may >>> >> have for evidence of age, birth >> >>> details or parents. >>> >>> If you can access 1841 census, there is a >>> >> good chance that both will >> >>> still be living with parents. >>> >>> Peter in Sydney >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com >>> >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

A lot of information was given in your earlier thread earlier this month. It was also suggested that Tavistock Rd, Bedford was actually in London, around Bedford Square, an idea that I found persuasive. As all of the other facts place him in London, I have grave doubts that he was ever in Bedford Hitchin is a separate town, in Hertfordshire, 20 miles from the town of Bedford David --- En date de : Lun 22.2.10, Sharon Mathieson <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> a écrit : > De: Sharon Mathieson <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> > Objet: Re: [BDF] James WEST > À: bedford@rootsweb.com > Date: Lundi 22 février 2010, 12h30 > Hi Peter, > according to the census records I have James was born in > Cerkenwell, > Middlesex and Ann Margaret was born in St Lukes, Middlesex. > The same > information is in the 1861 and the 1851 census. > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au>wrote: > > > Sharon, > > > >    The first thing you need to do is look at > the census records and extract > > dates and birthplaces for James West and Ann Margaret > Pickford. > > > >    Then you should be able to go to > www.familysearch.org and search using > > that data. > > > >    If he was born in Bedfordshire, there is > a good chance of finding > > earlier generations as most of the Parish Records have > been captured. > > > >    But with such a common name, it will be > essential to get almost exact > > birth year and location. Make sure you compare a > couple of censuses. > > > >    Check any BDM certificates that you may > have for evidence of  age, birth > > details or parents. > > > >    If you can access 1841 census, there is a > good chance that both will > > still be living with parents. > > > >    Peter in Sydney > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Would anyone have access to Bletsoe Parish Records after 1812? This is where IGI batches finish. I'm looking for the maiden name of Elizabeth who married John Riseley (Risely or Risley) about 1818. There is a user submission but no surname. From 1841 census they had Susanna 1827, Maria 1828, David 1830, John 1833, William 1836 and George 1840. 1851 gives the birthplace of Elizabeth and all the children as Bletsoe. John was born c1793 at Sharnbrook. I have some later data on the family if somebody has connections. Peter

Peter If you go onto FreeBMD, you will find that the birth of George Riseley was registered in the 4th quarter of 1840 at Bedford, Vol 6, page 36. Hopefully the birth certificate should give Elizabeth's former name. Regards Richard -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 21 February 2010 12:04 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: [BDF] BLETSOE Parish Records 1812 - 1837 - RISELEY Would anyone have access to Bletsoe Parish Records after 1812? This is where IGI batches finish. I'm looking for the maiden name of Elizabeth who married John Riseley (Risely or Risley) about 1818. There is a user submission but no surname. From 1841 census they had Susanna 1827, Maria 1828, David 1830, John 1833, William 1836 and George 1840. 1851 gives the birthplace of Elizabeth and all the children as Bletsoe. John was born c1793 at Sharnbrook. I have some later data on the family if somebody has connections. Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi Marlene, I think we have 'talked' in the past, but I too have had a computer problem and now my family history isn't there any more, I just have hard copies and thought that maybe I might get lucky and someone new might read my posts. To answer your questions Q....I recall your earlier posts and I think we corresponded for a while! (Old computer has crashed since then). I am wondering if you had any luck finding a funeral notice or whether you have addresses from the events of 1939. and could perhaps find Electoral Roll info? Say 1930- 1939? And 1945/6? A.....I was in England in 2000 and had the electoral rolls dug out for about 1935-1940. Voting was optional so no go. Q.....I ask because there is an Ada Alice Underwood aged 35 who was a Civillian Casualty in 1940 in Cheltenham - perhaps she was known by other forenames as was Susan? There are a couple other females who might also be investigated on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site and might just match one of your addresses. They would have to be eliminated, from your search. That might explain her disappearance and in times of War might explain why she never took up the double plot she had paid for. A.....Alice Ada was not mine as far as I know. She definately wasn't Susan because she died in the 1960s. I also checked the war graves site for civilians looking for Althea, but no go. Q...Presumably you have also searched for her possible emigration overseas and her "husband's" Will? A. As Althea never married my grandfather and disappeared off the face of the earth, I don't know how to find someone with no surname, no age, no nothing. Granddad didn't leave a will, but he had an estate of over 120 pounds, which the government took. I was lucky enough to find the papers at Kew and got a photocopy, they made a pretty half hearted search for rellies, and then took his money. Q....If you would like me to cast a fresh eye on the docs you have - please feel free to scan through to me personally! A....Thanks for the offer, but I don't have a scanner, and if I didn't I don't know how to use it, even if my computer could. My computer is so old my son reckons it wouldn't even rate as a boat anchor. There is many thing it doesn't do, but it is a great typewriter. Also, I only have dialup internet, so stuff takes forever. Once it took 3 days and 3 goes to download a picture of my granddaughter, because the computer must have been in one of its moods. Thanks for getting back to me and for your suggestions. I accept any help or suggestions gratefully. Have a good day. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:21 PM Subject: [BDF] Fw: UNDERWOOD, Claude Charles >I am reposting this as it hasn't appeared as far as I can see! > Marlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:50 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] UNDERWOOD, Claude Charles >>>>

Hello Rick, I'm very sorry you had the misfortune to've posed your question at an inopportune moment - I've been on the BDF List for several years now, and this is the first nasty spat I've noticed on it (very different from some of the others I've been on from time to time). It's one of the friendlier and more-helpful ones, and I especially regret that I was the - equally-unintentional - instigator of the present unrest only the previous day. Sadly, you innocently got caught in the cross-fire. I wish it hadn't happened - and especially regret my fumbling paste-in of an address on an intended off-list communication which merely served to add further fuel. The root of the difficulty is that e-mailing, while excellent for transmitting information, isn't an efficient method of *communicating*. With a telephone there's the extra layer of intonations - and face-to-face the further addition of 'body language' - both of which give many extra clues to interpret what is wanted to be put across. But here there's nothing but the bare words - so the recipient has to make a fair amount of guesses, with the inevitable result that several of those are apt to be wrong. Which can - as here - all-too-rapidly produce a chain reaction :-( I'll be the first to accept that posing a question isn't easy - and that e-mailing adds to the difficulty by being so easy to use while at the same time impossible to recall once the button's been pressed.... The [unattainable] ideal is to state what's wanted to be known and what's already been done [with sufficient detail so that the recipent[s] can either check or not duplicate] - while at the same time hold the reader's attention long enough, and still be concise. [And not rabbitting-on to excess as I'm doing here - because I can't see how to shorten it while still keeping the sense!] I hope that - despite the unpleasantness that went with it - you at least got partial answers to your initial question, for you did get replies, in seeming contrast to the one you posed on the Bucks List. [There you share my experience, for I got zero replies to mine, posted about a month ago...] I also understand the difficulties where Ancestors are boundary-hoppers - most of mine were in the Disputed Lands where GLS, OXF, WAR & WOR all met and intermingled, with most of the parishes now having been transferred to Counties other than where they were at 'my' relevant time. I'm fortunate to the extent that I can easily get to WOR RO, but that was the least-used County at all stages... Best wishes, Gus It is with a certain amount of trepidation that I post this reply to the various emails in response to my initial posting! The reason for my posting in the first place was I had conflicting information on Thomas and Sarah and their children and I naively thought that it might be better to put the minimum of information rather than lead people down the same conflicting alley I had been - how wrong was I! Add to this the difficulty I am finding with this branch of my tree since it is close to the borders of Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire and Buckinghamshire with children often born in one county and christened in another adds another level of complexity to contend with. With no access to the relevant census information and a mixed level of coverage by the IGI of the three counties, I was also hoping by this posting I might be able to locate somebody else researching the same people With regard to the length of time between the initial posting and this reply the answer is quite straightforward - I only receive the daily digests - I am having to research my tree over 8 counties (most at the other end of England to me) and so decided that the digest was the most sensible way of doing this Many thanks for all the help received with this and previous postings and hope to be in a position to help fellow researchers as and when Rick Smith

I am reposting this as it hasn't appeared as far as I can see! Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] UNDERWOOD, Claude Charles > Hi Sue > I recall your earlier posts and I think we corresponded for a while! (Old > computer has crashed since then). I am wondering if you had any luck > finding a funeral notice or whether you have addresses from the events of > 1939. and could perhaps find Electoral Roll info? Say 1930- 1939? And > 1945/6? > I ask because there is an Ada Alice Underwood aged 35 who was a Civillian > Casualty in 1940 in Cheltenham - perhaps she was known by other forenames > as was Susan? There are a couple other females who might also be > investigated on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission site and might just > match one of your addresses. They would have to be eliminated, from your > search. That might explain her disappearance and in times of War might > explain why she never took up the double plot she had paid for. ! > Presumably you have also searched for her possible emigration overseas and > her "husband's" Will? > I f you would like me to cast a fresh eye on the docs you have - please > feel free to scan through to me personally! > Regards > Marlene > New Zealand > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sue Given" <suegiven@hulkula.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 4:38 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] UNDERWOOD, Claude Charles > > >> Hi Peter, >> >> Thanks for answering. The previous posts were put on by me, I thought I >> would give it another go, you never know. >> >> Patricia Craft is my aunt. Susan WAS the mother of both. I have found >> that >> they were a little slack in registering the births. Sometimes Susan was >> Garret, sometimes Underwood and sometimes Craft. When she died she was >> Ella >> May Craft, but lucking her death certificate had "also known as" on it. >> Then you get to Althea. She paid for my grandfathers funeral and bought >> a >> double plot, then promptly disappeared........ >> >> The joys of family history hunting. >> >> Thanks again, and have a good day. >> >> Sue >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] UNDERWOOD, Claude Charles >> >> >>> Sue, >>> >>> I can see a number of posts on this subject going back to 1996. So >>> not >>> sure we can add much more. It looks like you've taken over from your >>> mother >>> or your aunt. >>> >>> WWI records were largely destroyed in WW2 bombings. Only a very small >>> percentage remain. Some are on Ancestry. There are also some medal >>> cards, >>> but as most are service medals, basically all they reveal is that he >>> served, >>> which you know already. >>> >>> There is a private member tree at Ancestry for son Claude born 1921. >>> If >>> you don't have a subscription, perhaps you can get somebody who has to >>> try >>> and make contact. >>> >>> I think your main query concerns Althea. The only likely birth in >>> Bedfordshire 1900-1920 is Althea Bennett born 1905, but she married in >>> 1934, 5 years before he died. Of course she could have been separated >>> from >>> her husband by 1839, but I'd probably discount her. >>> >>> Assuming she wasn't a married woman and she wasn't around a year >>> after >>> his death, you're probably looking for any Althea marriage 1939-1940 in >>> Bedfordshire or any of the London counties. Even if you find one, how >>> you'd >>> ever prove their relationship is a problem. >>> >>> I'd also recommend you re-check some of your assumptions. Unless I >>> have >>> the wrong births, Kenneth Underwood is registered 12/1929 mother's name >>> Garrett while Patricia Craft was registered 6/1929, a bare six months >>> earlier. Even allowing for registration quarters, it gets pretty tight >>> for >>> Susan to be the mother of both. >>> >>> I also notice that Brenda's birth on FreeBMD has mother's maiden >>> name >>> as Underwood and Dorothy has Garrett. I couldn't get the images on >>> Ancestry >>> as it's undergoing maintenance. >>> >>> Not sure if that's helped. But I think you'rr asking a question that >>> we >>> really can't answer from basic records. >>> >>> Peter in Sydney >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Strange! Reposting the message I sent earlier! Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: Marlene Shipman To: bedford@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: Posting Questions/Replies Hi I note with interest that I replied to Sue's request for Underwood, Claud Charles at 7.50pm tonight offering help. It has not yet appeared on the List in my emails. However the reply I posted at 10.23pm ie three hours later re Morgan/ Hale has come through.. Does that mean there is a hold up with Providers or are emails checked by the Admin and my response to Sue has been edited out? The answer might explain why you have no response Peter. I am aware this has happened to me before. Marlene

I note my emails are now being rejected by the List. Is anyone else having this problem? Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 10:58 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] THOMAS MORGAN & SARAH HALE - c1840 Heath & Reach >I looked at Rick's initial request and my immediate reaction, right or > wrong, was that he was asking for his research to be done for him. I quick > look at the IGI, available free to all, made it pretty obvious what had > happened - late baptism - but perhaps folk with less experience might not > pick up on that. But as Rick didn't say what his research had been we had > no > idea if he'd been through censuses or not. But then I saw that Peter had > beaten me to the reply, giving more detail and guidance than I would have > given. > > If Rick had found the baptism of the wife then presumably he knew her > parents. It was asking for their grandparents which caused me to wonder > why > he couldn't do that himself. > > Of course for a belt and braces job he could always purchase the marriage > certificate, which would confirm fathers' names. > > Yes, perhaps Peter was a bit impatient with his follow up to his initial > post, but not unduly so. I for one am grateful for the effort he puts into > this list, and can but admire his patience on many occasions. I share his > approach that the list should be for helping people do their own research, > rather than just handing it to them on a plate. > > David > > > > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Gus Tysoe <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> > wrote: > >> Despite having - as I'd thought - pasted Marlene's address into my quick >> reply, it'd seem the pasting failed... >> >> My apologies for continuing this On-List, as I fully realise it's >> Off-Topic. >> >> Gus >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi It is sometimes difficult given the worldwide timeframes we are workimg in, folk working, and family responsibilities etc. I care for a disabled person nad it is sometimes 48 Hours or more before I can reply.Even though I may have read the message.it's impossible to reply immediately and make sense of any suggestions. Especially as I no longer have access to Censii and would have to get a Caregiver in order to check at the Library. My circumstances are only one of a dozen possible scenarios. I agree with Norina & Bev - surely we want to help with whatever level of experience or resources we have available? Freely? OR not answer? Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norina Pauling" <norina@hotmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] THOMAS MORGAN & SARAH HALE - c1840 Heath & Reach > > Hi > > > > Give the poor man a chance to read his emails, inwardly digest the info & > find the time to look! As far as I am concerned these forums are for > helping people with problems that they are stuck on. Okay some may want > something for nothing but as that cannot be distinguished by an email then > who are we to judge. We don't know peoples circumstances. I give all info > freely and only expect a thank you in return. As for the poor lady who > dared to re ask a question perhaps all she was fishing for was researchers > with similiar interests, she wasn't asking for any specifics. We have all > done that in one form or another. Lastly what is this obsession with > money! If your time is that valuable then don't answer the queries! Recent > answers on this forum have been very off putting for people who may want > to post a query but are wary of the dressing down for doing so. > > > > Kind Regards > > Norina > > > > > >> From: pbo08596@bigpond.net.au >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:48:11 +1100 >> Subject: [BDF] THOMAS MORGAN & SARAH HALE - c1840 Heath & Reach >> >> >> Perhaps I'm too impatient. I didn't see any response to my discovery of >> this family. So I followed my suggestions just to see if the information >> was >> good. >> >> As I said, batches for Heath and Reach show five children of William >> Morgan and Ann Atwell were all christened on the same day. Another two >> were >> christened the following year. From later census data children were >> Thomas >> c1821, Sarah c1824, Mary c1825, Francis c1828, Anthony c1830, William >> c1834 and Elizabeth c 1832. A later sister Ruth was born c1842 >> >> I suggested Thomas would still be with parents in 1841 census as he did >> not marry until December Qtr. Unfortunately this was not the case as he >> was >> working elsewhere. But in 1851, Mary, Anthony and William are living with >> their brother Thomas and his wife Sarah and children. >> >> Anthony is the key. In 1841, he is found with parents William and Ann >> and all the other children, except Thomas and Francis who sadly died in >> Dec >> qtr 1838. >> >> In 1851, you get a bonus. William & Ann and children Sarah, Elizabeth & >> Ruth are living with Ann's widowed mother Sarah Atwell aged 80 born >> Soulsbury, Bucks. >> >> William birthplace is given as Stewkley, Bucks but on Google it now >> comes up as part of Leighton Buzzard. In 1841, he's shown as born in >> Bedfordshire. Ann's birthplace is given as Heath and Reach. >> >> People should appreciate that this reply and the associated research has >> taken nearly 90 minutes. I can get paid up to $50 an hour doing my >> professional research. >> >> So please follow up on suggestions. >> >> Either that or attend a course or pay a professional. >> >> Peter in Sydney >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Tell us your greatest, weirdest and funniest Hotmail stories > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rick, Have you looked at Census records? I always recommend checking every available census year and comparing data. Often you pick just one and it has an error that is very misleading. And don't make your search criteria too tight. And here's a case in point. If you look at 1851 census, Sarah's birthplace is written as NK Thanley??? Try looking that up on a map. But in 1861 it shows Thorley, Herts. And don't include husband's name Thomas in your search. You'll see why it doesn't appear. If you search in Thorley on IGI you'll find her christening and parents. Remember who found it first. Peter

Norina, It's not about money, it's about required effort. I've answered 982 postings on this forum alone. You're at 28. I can't be accused at lack of effort. And I replied within a hour of the post. I'm the only one to have done so. And while I'm not criticising, he's had 24 hours to at least acknowledge my efforts. As for the other lady, I put in a similar effort on my initial response to her in June last year and it wasn't followed up. My point is that there is a cost in resources and subscriptions and a large amount of effort required to look up readily available data on basic sites like Family Search, FreeBMD and Census records. It's extremely frustrating when people are unwilling or incapable of extracting data that's staring them in the face. My purpose in mentioning money is simply to illustrate that each answer is equivalent to $20-$50 from a professional researcher. On that basis, I've provided over $25,000 worth of effort to help people on this list. And that's just one list. Peter

Perhaps I'm too impatient. I didn't see any response to my discovery of this family. So I followed my suggestions just to see if the information was good. As I said, batches for Heath and Reach show five children of William Morgan and Ann Atwell were all christened on the same day. Another two were christened the following year. From later census data children were Thomas c1821, Sarah c1824, Mary c1825, Francis c1828, Anthony c1830, William c1834 and Elizabeth c 1832. A later sister Ruth was born c1842 I suggested Thomas would still be with parents in 1841 census as he did not marry until December Qtr. Unfortunately this was not the case as he was working elsewhere. But in 1851, Mary, Anthony and William are living with their brother Thomas and his wife Sarah and children. Anthony is the key. In 1841, he is found with parents William and Ann and all the other children, except Thomas and Francis who sadly died in Dec qtr 1838. In 1851, you get a bonus. William & Ann and children Sarah, Elizabeth & Ruth are living with Ann's widowed mother Sarah Atwell aged 80 born Soulsbury, Bucks. William birthplace is given as Stewkley, Bucks but on Google it now comes up as part of Leighton Buzzard. In 1841, he's shown as born in Bedfordshire. Ann's birthplace is given as Heath and Reach. People should appreciate that this reply and the associated research has taken nearly 90 minutes. I can get paid up to $50 an hour doing my professional research. So please follow up on suggestions. Either that or attend a course or pay a professional. Peter in Sydney

Peter, Surely this was your choice to do this research. - Bev Peter wrote: > > Perhaps I'm too impatient. I didn't see any response to my discovery of > this family. So I followed my suggestions just to see if the information > was > good. >> ..................................... > People should appreciate that this reply and the associated research > has > taken nearly 90 minutes. I can get paid up to $50 an hour doing my > professional research. > > So please follow up on suggestions. > > Either that or attend a course or pay a professional. > > Peter in Sydney

On the subjest of quick replies; I get the digest version and the question and both of Peter's postings came to me in the same digest. Perhaps that is also the situation with the party in question. We don't all want each message to come separately. And I suspect if I had been the writer and got chastised by Peter I might be reluctant to write and thank him for his work. So I will say for all of us that Peter did a really good job. Charlotte in Salt Lake City