Hi Lyn The Escan site doesn't give dates covered for their PR transcriptions, but from a quick trial and error it looks as though start in 1813 David On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > Hi David > > Thank you for sending the link for Eaton Socon Parish Records. Although no > marriage for Elizabeth Blofield and Samuel Freshwater found, I did find > births for their children. > > Regards > Lyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records > > > > http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp has full details of the 1814 > > marriage, not that it adds much to what's on the IGI > > > > David > > > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > > > >> I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon > and > >> would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. > >> > >> Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN > >> 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England > >> > >> and > >> Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER > >> 25 MAY 1812 > >> Eaton Socon, Bedford, England > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> Lyn > >> Sydney > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> The List Guidelines > >> > >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >> > >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List > >> > >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > <http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David Thank you for sending the link for Eaton Socon Parish Records. Although no marriage for Elizabeth Blofield and Samuel Freshwater found, I did find births for their children. Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records > http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp has full details of the 1814 > marriage, not that it adds much to what's on the IGI > > David > > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon and >> would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. >> >> Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN >> 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> and >> Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER >> 25 MAY 1812 >> Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> Lyn >> Sydney >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Guy, the information I have is that the address is Tavistock Street, but no documentary support. When I read back through the information it actually states that James lived in Tavistock St and then later moved to Islington. It was after he left Tavistock St that he had his studio in Theobalds Road. Looking at all the information that you have included, it seems highly likely that the family have been quite careless with their information. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Gus Tysoe <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Sharon, > > There seems to be a great degree of uncertainty here about the BDF > Connection, which is possibly not helped by the differences in how you > worded it in your 2 introductory questions: > on 13 Feb as Tavistock ROAD, Bedford; and > on 22 Feb as Tavistock STREET, Bedford. > Both cannot be right, but there's no way of telling which is the wrong one. > > Do you have any documentary source to support either one that you could > share with us? > > > Then come the present-day street names - via Google Maps.... > Tavistock STREET > Nothing in the London area; but one in Bedford [part of the A6] > Tavistock ROAD > Nothing anywhere in BDF, but in London there's one in Notting Hill - > which (probably entirely coincidentally) is joined by a St Lukes Road... > Tavistock SQUARE and Tavistock PLACE [approx ¼ mile North of the British > Museum, and part of the (former?) Duke of Bedford's Estate - and with their > names unchanged since at least 1851] > Perhaps also coincidentally, Theobalds Road - the site of James WEST's > later > Studio - is within ¾ mile of the latter two... > > > Throw in that James' birth was consistently given as Clerkenwell, MDX in > the > 1851 & 1861; that he married in Islington, MDX in 1842 - giving his address > as the one he was recorded at in 1851; was also living in Islington in > 1861 - where all his children were shown as being born; and that both > addresses were in reasonably easy reach of the British Museum [which in all > probability would be a good place for someone with his reported occupations > to obtain commissions] the chances of his ever having been in the City of > Bedford would seem to be rather small. > > Granted there's the element of Hitchin Church - which was never in BDF, > although not far from it - but if he was involved in stained-glass-window > design there'd be little *need* for him to be doing much on-site, beyond > *very carefully* measuring the apertures before he started, and - perhaps - > supervising their installation once completed. > > The apparent "disappearance" of the family after 1861 - taken with the > knowledge that Frank and Edward went to New Zealand - tends to the belief > that perhaps all of them emigrated [if not necessarily directly to New > Zealand] during the 1860s. But, unfortunately, the number of WESTs in > circulation makes it a great deal harder to find any individuals :-( > > Another possible problem is that James may well not have worked on his own > account, being instead an employee whose name may not have figured on the > final work. It's possible that the book "Stained Glass Marks and > Monographs" > [published by NADFAS of 8 Guildford St, London, WC1N 1DA] which gives > "short > biographical information on many designers and firms" just *might* give > helpful details. < http://www.nadfas.org.uk/default.asp?section=171 > > > > HTH. > > Gus > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From catalogue of Lockdale Auctioneers sale of postcards on March 21st "Album of approx 132 postcards mainly to the Andrews Family, Dunstable. Wide range of Views, Actresses, Greetings, etc circa 1904-1923, plus 19 early Portrait Photos of different families" Rick Smith Austwick, North Yorkshire

Thanks everyone for all the information. As you have probably guessed, this Aussie knows nothing about English geography. Is Middlesex near London? Is it more likely then that James did have a studio in the Tavistock Street/Road there than in Bedford? Certainly the fact that the other studio in Theobalds Road is so close indicates that. I guess our sticking point is the brother Benjamin. I will check again with whatever family members and see if he was a real brother or a piece of the jigsaw that was cut to fit. They may not know, or be willing to let go of their preconcieved ideas. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Norina Pauling <norina@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Sharon > > > > Around 1830 there was something of a gothic/Medieval revival. A number of > city churches were rebuilt or newly built in the gothic style, along with > houses & follies. The inside was as important as the outside & older > churches were also given a facelift. James is described as a Medieval > decorator in 1851, Master is not mentioned so I agree with Gus that he > worked for an employer & must have had an apprenticeship of some sort. Trade > directories of the time might shed some light on a local employer. With this > skill, whether stained glass, painting, book illustration or wood work > (Medieval decorator could cover a multitude of crafts) he would have been in > demand and travelled, so Hitchin may have been one of them. St Marys in > Hitchin does not mention any direct new work being done then, but James may > also have restored existing medieval works. > > > > A letter/email to the church (on website) may provide some info as well as > the Herts record office. Perhaps there are church records for payment of any > work carried out, although this may have been covered by the diocese. > > > > Another lead that might be worth pursuing is the 1851 Great Exhibition, the > Victoria & Albert Museum hold a large number of catalogues covering exhibits > from all over the UK (and the world). There must have been a section for > stained glass in the arts & crafts section. An ancestor of mine won a gold > medal for lace design at the exhibition. There were over 100,000 exhibits & > the proceeds built the V&A, Science Museum & Natural history Museum, the > charity is still going today and funds scolarships etc. > > > > Hope this is of help > > > > Kind Regards > > Norina > > > > > > > > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:31 +1100 > > From: sharon.mathieson@gmail.com > > To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BDF] James WEST > > > > Hi List, > > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist > > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family > tradition > > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some > > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is > > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he > > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he > > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC > > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, > who > > was apparently an ironmonger. > > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret > > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later > family > > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life > and > > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, > > thanks, > > Sharon > > New South Wales, > > Australia > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you to John Partridge and in particular Richard Webb for Bletsoe lookups that revealed the following. *********************** I checked the microfiche record of the Bletsoe Parish Register and can confirm John Riseley married Elizabeth Makeham. They were married on 27 February 1816 and the witnesses were Richard Partridge and Hannah Smith. Both John and Elizabeth made their mark on the register in lieu of signatures. As John mentioned the register indicates they were married with consent of parents. John was of Sharnbrook and Elizabeth Bletsoe. ************************* Peter

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middlesex Sharon Mathieson wrote: > Thanks everyone for all the information. As you have probably guessed, this > Aussie knows nothing about English geography. Is Middlesex near London? Is > it more likely then that James did have a studio in the Tavistock > Street/Road there than in Bedford? Certainly the fact that the other studio > in Theobalds Road is so close indicates that. I guess our sticking point is > the brother Benjamin. I will check again with whatever family members and > see if he was a real brother or a piece of the jigsaw that was cut to fit. > They may not know, or be willing to let go of their preconcieved ideas. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Norina Pauling <norina@hotmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hi Sharon >> >> >> >> Around 1830 there was something of a gothic/Medieval revival. A number of >> city churches were rebuilt or newly built in the gothic style, along with >> houses & follies. The inside was as important as the outside & older >> churches were also given a facelift. James is described as a Medieval >> decorator in 1851, Master is not mentioned so I agree with Gus that he >> worked for an employer & must have had an apprenticeship of some sort. Trade >> directories of the time might shed some light on a local employer. With this >> skill, whether stained glass, painting, book illustration or wood work >> (Medieval decorator could cover a multitude of crafts) he would have been in >> demand and travelled, so Hitchin may have been one of them. St Marys in >> Hitchin does not mention any direct new work being done then, but James may >> also have restored existing medieval works. >> >> >> >> A letter/email to the church (on website) may provide some info as well as >> the Herts record office. Perhaps there are church records for payment of any >> work carried out, although this may have been covered by the diocese. >> >> >> >> Another lead that might be worth pursuing is the 1851 Great Exhibition, the >> Victoria & Albert Museum hold a large number of catalogues covering exhibits >> from all over the UK (and the world). There must have been a section for >> stained glass in the arts & crafts section. An ancestor of mine won a gold >> medal for lace design at the exhibition. There were over 100,000 exhibits & >> the proceeds built the V&A, Science Museum & Natural history Museum, the >> charity is still going today and funds scolarships etc. >> >> >> >> Hope this is of help >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Norina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:31 +1100 >>> From: sharon.mathieson@gmail.com >>> To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: [BDF] James WEST >>> >> > >> >>> Hi List, >>> my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist >>> specialising in stained glass window design. according to family >>> >> tradition >> >>> his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some >>> years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is >>> supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he >>> apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he >>> left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC >>> James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, >>> >> who >> >>> was apparently an ironmonger. >>> I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret >>> Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later >>> >> family >> >>> life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life >>> >> and >> >>> his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, >>> thanks, >>> Sharon >>> New South Wales, >>> Australia >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Got a cool Hotmail story? 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Hi Sharon, > Is Middlesex near London? The difficulty here is "London" - and what was meant by the name.... Up to 1855 it was only 'The City of London', and effectively no more than an "administrative island" surrounded to the West, North, and East by Middlesex, and to the South - separated by the River Thames - by Surrey. Of course the 'built-up area' extended widely beyond the actual City Boundaries, and those parts were loosely referred to as "London" for convenience. In 1855 the administrative boundaries were extended to include the neighbouring parts of Middlesex, Surrey, and Kent - the whole being then known as 'The Metropolis' - although those parts of the 3 Counties remained within their old County Boundaries. [I realise there's no logical sense in it, now OR then, but Our Ancestors presumably knew what they were doing - and they had to live with it.] This state of affairs continued until 1889, when 'The Metropolis' was [effectively] renamed 'The Administrative County of London, and the "added parts" changed Counties. The whole of the area - and still-further reaches beyond - continued to be referred to colloquially as "London"... So the quick answer to your question has to be that much of Middlesex was effectively *IN* London until 1889. [PLEASE don't feel any concern for not knowing the intricacies of English geographical history - the vast majority of us over here know as little of it (possibly even less) than we know of Australian geography. For an island that could be dropped in almost any of your States - and then take months to find it again - it's appallingly complicated...] > Is it more likely then that James did have a studio in the Tavistock > Street/Road there than in Bedford? The problem here is the designation of the thoroughfare after 'Tavistock'. The most-likely places - with any sort of 'Bedford' association - were a 'Square' or a 'Place', both of which were close to Theobalds Road - and close to the addresses shown in the 1851 and 1861 censuses. The 'Road' in Notting Hill is about 2 miles West of the British Museum - still in Middlesex - but doesn't appear to have any association with 'Bedford'. BUT... it has to remain at least a possible, although he'd likely've had to take a horse omnibus or so to get there from his home[s]. Overall, the information so far to hand seems very heavily loaded towards Middlesex - *unless* 1) He was in Bedford before he married. However, as he was born c.1818, and was in Islington by 1841, it is extremely unlikely that a 22-year-old - needing to obtain specialist skills - would've been in any position to set himself up in business. 2) He was there after 1861, and before his 'disappearance' - which seems equally improbable. You haven't yet mentioned what your sources are for it being either 'Street' or 'Road' - or confirmed that James in fact *did* have a studio there [or in Theobalds Road]. It would seem from the 1851 and 1861 census addresses that he didn't 'work from home' - and so would need a studio - but the possibility remains that he was an employee, and that these were his employer's address. Neverthess, it's as possible that - from his stated occupations - that these could quite readily be done entirely on his own, and he wouldn't need to have [and record] any employees. > I guess our sticking point is the brother Benjamin. On this one I can't help at all..... > They may not know, or be willing to let go of their preconcieved ideas. Such things can be hard to accept.... When I resolved the Family Legend that my grandfather's "poor Uncle William" was "killed by a sack of corn falling on his head" by finding he'd actually died of alcohol poisoning [in a teetotal family] my father and his brothers flatly refused to believe the death certificate - because their father'd shown them the Very Place where it'd occurred! The fact that Grandfather had been 4 at the time - so hardly a reliable witness, but had needed to be given some sort of explanation - was dismissed out of hand..... A Family Story is often somewhat embroidered - even if it includes nuggets of truth - "but it ain't necessarily so"... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 11:48 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] James WEST > Thanks everyone for all the information. As you have probably guessed, > this > Aussie knows nothing about English geography. Is Middlesex near London? Is > it more likely then that James did have a studio in the Tavistock > Street/Road there than in Bedford? Certainly the fact that the other > studio > in Theobalds Road is so close indicates that. I guess our sticking point > is > the brother Benjamin. I will check again with whatever family members and > see if he was a real brother or a piece of the jigsaw that was cut to fit. > They may not know, or be willing to let go of their preconcieved ideas. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 10:51 PM, Norina Pauling <norina@hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> >> Hi Sharon >> >> >> >> Around 1830 there was something of a gothic/Medieval revival. A number of >> city churches were rebuilt or newly built in the gothic style, along with >> houses & follies. The inside was as important as the outside & older >> churches were also given a facelift. James is described as a Medieval >> decorator in 1851, Master is not mentioned so I agree with Gus that he >> worked for an employer & must have had an apprenticeship of some sort. >> Trade >> directories of the time might shed some light on a local employer. With >> this >> skill, whether stained glass, painting, book illustration or wood work >> (Medieval decorator could cover a multitude of crafts) he would have been >> in >> demand and travelled, so Hitchin may have been one of them. St Marys in >> Hitchin does not mention any direct new work being done then, but James >> may >> also have restored existing medieval works. >> >> >> >> A letter/email to the church (on website) may provide some info as well >> as >> the Herts record office. Perhaps there are church records for payment of >> any >> work carried out, although this may have been covered by the diocese. >> >> >> >> Another lead that might be worth pursuing is the 1851 Great Exhibition, >> the >> Victoria & Albert Museum hold a large number of catalogues covering >> exhibits >> from all over the UK (and the world). There must have been a section for >> stained glass in the arts & crafts section. An ancestor of mine won a >> gold >> medal for lace design at the exhibition. There were over 100,000 exhibits >> & >> the proceeds built the V&A, Science Museum & Natural history Museum, the >> charity is still going today and funds scolarships etc. >> >> >> >> Hope this is of help >> >> >> >> Kind Regards >> >> Norina >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:31 +1100 >> > From: sharon.mathieson@gmail.com >> > To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com >> > Subject: [BDF] James WEST >> > >> > Hi List, >> > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist >> > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family >> tradition >> > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some >> > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is >> > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he >> > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after >> > he >> > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC >> > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, >> who >> > was apparently an ironmonger. >> > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret >> > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later >> family >> > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life >> and >> > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, >> > thanks, >> > Sharon >> > New South Wales, >> > Australia >> > >> > >> > >> > The List Guidelines >> > >> > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> > >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Got a cool Hotmail story? 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Peter There is a Bletsoe marriages on the PR microfiche for John Riseley of Sharnbrook to Elizabeth Makeham, with consent of parents - but you won't like this - I didn't write down the date ....as I got distracted; one witness was Richard Partridge - my gt-gt-grandfather whose marriage is on the same film - & I was comparing signatures. Anyway the Riseley/Makeham marriage was before 3 June 1818 as that's when Richard married Mary Nobles. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: [BDF] BLETSOE Parish Records 1812 - 1837 - RISELEY > > Would anyone have access to Bletsoe Parish Records after 1812? This is > where IGI batches finish. > > I'm looking for the maiden name of Elizabeth who married John Riseley > (Risely or Risley) about 1818. There is a user submission but no surname. > > From 1841 census they had Susanna 1827, Maria 1828, David 1830, John > 1833, William 1836 and George 1840. > > 1851 gives the birthplace of Elizabeth and all the children as Bletsoe. > John was born c1793 at Sharnbrook. > > I have some later data on the family if somebody has connections. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2702 - Release Date: 02/21/10 19:34:00

I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon and would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England and Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER 25 MAY 1812 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England Thanks Lyn Sydney

http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp has full details of the 1814 marriage, not that it adds much to what's on the IGI David On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon and > would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. > > Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN > 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England > > and > Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER > 25 MAY 1812 > Eaton Socon, Bedford, England > > > > > Thanks > Lyn > Sydney > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi ????? No Street Its St Leonards Avenue Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Can anyone help with an address in Bedford St Mary in the 1901 census? > The > family is that of Joseph Lansberry, at 23 C________ Street. The census > reference number is RG13 / 1492, folio 50 page 2. > > I found the image on the library edition of Ancestry, and am unable to > read > the street name on the print out, and don't have access to the preceding > or > following pages to look for it. > > Thanks for any assistance you can give. > > E. Crouch > Canada

Thank you very much Nivard. Elizabeth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington" <ovington1@sky.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] 1901 census street name? > Hi ????? > > No Street > > Its St Leonards Avenue > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> Can anyone help with an address in Bedford St Mary in the 1901 census? >> The >> family is that of Joseph Lansberry, at 23 C________ Avenue. The census >> reference number is RG13 / 1492, folio 50 page 2. >> >> I found the image on the library edition of Ancestry, and am unable to >> read >> the street name on the print out, and don't have access to the preceding >> or >> following pages to look for it. >> >> Thanks for any assistance you can give. >> >> E. Crouch >> Canada

Can anyone help with an address in Bedford St Mary in the 1901 census? The family is that of Joseph Lansberry, at 23 C________ Street. The census reference number is RG13 / 1492, folio 50 page 2. I found the image on the library edition of Ancestry, and am unable to read the street name on the print out, and don't have access to the preceding or following pages to look for it. Thanks for any assistance you can give. E. Crouch Canada

Hi Sharon Around 1830 there was something of a gothic/Medieval revival. A number of city churches were rebuilt or newly built in the gothic style, along with houses & follies. The inside was as important as the outside & older churches were also given a facelift. James is described as a Medieval decorator in 1851, Master is not mentioned so I agree with Gus that he worked for an employer & must have had an apprenticeship of some sort. Trade directories of the time might shed some light on a local employer. With this skill, whether stained glass, painting, book illustration or wood work (Medieval decorator could cover a multitude of crafts) he would have been in demand and travelled, so Hitchin may have been one of them. St Marys in Hitchin does not mention any direct new work being done then, but James may also have restored existing medieval works. A letter/email to the church (on website) may provide some info as well as the Herts record office. Perhaps there are church records for payment of any work carried out, although this may have been covered by the diocese. Another lead that might be worth pursuing is the 1851 Great Exhibition, the Victoria & Albert Museum hold a large number of catalogues covering exhibits from all over the UK (and the world). There must have been a section for stained glass in the arts & crafts section. An ancestor of mine won a gold medal for lace design at the exhibition. There were over 100,000 exhibits & the proceeds built the V&A, Science Museum & Natural history Museum, the charity is still going today and funds scolarships etc. Hope this is of help Kind Regards Norina > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:43:31 +1100 > From: sharon.mathieson@gmail.com > To: BEDFORD@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] James WEST > > Hi List, > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family tradition > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, who > was apparently an ironmonger. > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later family > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life and > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, > thanks, > Sharon > New South Wales, > Australia > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Got a cool Hotmail story? Tell us now http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/

Hello Sharon, There seems to be a great degree of uncertainty here about the BDF Connection, which is possibly not helped by the differences in how you worded it in your 2 introductory questions: on 13 Feb as Tavistock ROAD, Bedford; and on 22 Feb as Tavistock STREET, Bedford. Both cannot be right, but there's no way of telling which is the wrong one. Do you have any documentary source to support either one that you could share with us? Then come the present-day street names - via Google Maps.... Tavistock STREET Nothing in the London area; but one in Bedford [part of the A6] Tavistock ROAD Nothing anywhere in BDF, but in London there's one in Notting Hill - which (probably entirely coincidentally) is joined by a St Lukes Road... Tavistock SQUARE and Tavistock PLACE [approx ¼ mile North of the British Museum, and part of the (former?) Duke of Bedford's Estate - and with their names unchanged since at least 1851] Perhaps also coincidentally, Theobalds Road - the site of James WEST's later Studio - is within ¾ mile of the latter two... Throw in that James' birth was consistently given as Clerkenwell, MDX in the 1851 & 1861; that he married in Islington, MDX in 1842 - giving his address as the one he was recorded at in 1851; was also living in Islington in 1861 - where all his children were shown as being born; and that both addresses were in reasonably easy reach of the British Museum [which in all probability would be a good place for someone with his reported occupations to obtain commissions] the chances of his ever having been in the City of Bedford would seem to be rather small. Granted there's the element of Hitchin Church - which was never in BDF, although not far from it - but if he was involved in stained-glass-window design there'd be little *need* for him to be doing much on-site, beyond *very carefully* measuring the apertures before he started, and - perhaps - supervising their installation once completed. The apparent "disappearance" of the family after 1861 - taken with the knowledge that Frank and Edward went to New Zealand - tends to the belief that perhaps all of them emigrated [if not necessarily directly to New Zealand] during the 1860s. But, unfortunately, the number of WESTs in circulation makes it a great deal harder to find any individuals :-( Another possible problem is that James may well not have worked on his own account, being instead an employee whose name may not have figured on the final work. It's possible that the book "Stained Glass Marks and Monographs" [published by NADFAS of 8 Guildford St, London, WC1N 1DA] which gives "short biographical information on many designers and firms" just *might* give helpful details. < http://www.nadfas.org.uk/default.asp?section=171 > HTH. Gus

Hi Sharon >From the 2 replies you have posted Ann sounds positive - born in St Lukes and married in her local (parish?) area! I understand Ancestry has many Parish Registers online so you might strike it lucky and get her Baptism as her father's name & occupation should be on the marrriage cert you have. Mary Pickford will almost certainly be related so you should certainly check that out possibilty. Sister, mother, cousin???? As David has mentioned there doesn't appear to be any evidence that James was ever in Bedford - town or County. You might be advised to try another mailing list? There is a Richard West who died aged 94 in Thanet (Kent) Reg District in 1881. That appears to be birth of about 1787 meaning he had a son James about 1819, if you put all your information together. If correct you should find him on censii 1841-1871. Good luck Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] James WEST > Hi > I think he must have already left Bedford. His address is 39 Upper Park St > Islington > hers is 6 Caroline Place, City Road. > They are both listed as full age. > Yes Richard is listed as an ironmonger on the certificate and no he is not > said to be deceased. If family history is to be believed he died in 1881. > The witnesses were Daniel Wezuelin (?) and Mary Pickford > According to the 1861 census James is 42 and Ann is 41. > I haven't been able to find Richard at all on the censii, but might have > been looking in the wrong region. > I just looked for James and couldn't find him either, although there is a > James born in England at about the right time that ended up in Canada. > Maybe > he went there. > I will try to follow up on the Hitchin church and see how I go. > thanks, > Sharon > > On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Marlene Shipman > <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz>wrote: > >> Hi >> JAMES WEST married Ann Margaret PICKFORD June Q 1842 at St Lukes >> Middlesex >> so had he already left Bedford or did he go there after his marriage? >> What addresses did they give? >> Have you checked the witnesses to see if they are family - on either >> side? >> What ages did they give? >> Presumbly Richard was noted as an ironmonger on the cert? >> Was Richard said to be deceased? >> You say you have the family on later censii so presumably you have an age >> and place of birth? You might need to check on both James and Benjamin at >> least on all censii to ascertain their locations and stated occupations.I >> cannot see a likely couple on the 1881 so were Ann & James already >> deceased? >> Check on Free BMD for the 10 years after a disappearance from the census >> for likely deaths.. >> >> MOST importantly have you recorded ALL of your parents & their siblings >> details, grandparents & siblings, great grandparents & siblings etc. >> Patterns often emerge as to locations, occupations, and other >> affiliations. >> Family forenames being another. >> This is very important when you have a "popular" surname to research. >> Once you have the essential facts together it is easier to find >> additional >> info such as burials, funeral notices/obits, articles in magazines, >> local >> history books, military records, Workhouse records, Hospital records >> etc. >> >> Have you checked the story of Hitchin Church? >> Cheers >> Marlene >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> >> To: <BEDFORD@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:43 PM >> Subject: [BDF] James WEST >> >> >> > Hi List, >> > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist >> > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family >> tradition >> > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some >> > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is >> > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he >> > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after >> > he >> > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC >> > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, >> > who >> > was apparently an ironmonger. >> > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret >> > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later >> > family >> > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life >> > and >> > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, >> > thanks, >> > Sharon >> > New South Wales, >> > Australia >> > >> > >> > >> > The List Guidelines >> > >> > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> > >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sharon stated James had a brother Benjamin. The only Benjamin West on IGI with father Richard was christened 1820 at Sutton on Trent in Nottinghamshire. There was also a James 1819 and Joseph 1822. But if she has the right person in 1851 and 1861 census the stated birthplace is Clerkenwell. The 1861 occupation which includes painter could be consistent with glass decorating. There is a James ch1818 in Camomile St London with parents Richard and Martha. There are three other children but no Benjamin. I think we need to know what happened to James after 1861. I can't find them in 1871 or 1881 Peter

Hi JAMES WEST married Ann Margaret PICKFORD June Q 1842 at St Lukes Middlesex so had he already left Bedford or did he go there after his marriage? What addresses did they give? Have you checked the witnesses to see if they are family - on either side? What ages did they give? Presumbly Richard was noted as an ironmonger on the cert? Was Richard said to be deceased? You say you have the family on later censii so presumably you have an age and place of birth? You might need to check on both James and Benjamin at least on all censii to ascertain their locations and stated occupations.I cannot see a likely couple on the 1881 so were Ann & James already deceased? Check on Free BMD for the 10 years after a disappearance from the census for likely deaths.. MOST importantly have you recorded ALL of your parents & their siblings details, grandparents & siblings, great grandparents & siblings etc. Patterns often emerge as to locations, occupations, and other affiliations. Family forenames being another. This is very important when you have a "popular" surname to research. Once you have the essential facts together it is easier to find additional info such as burials, funeral notices/obits, articles in magazines, local history books, military records, Workhouse records, Hospital records etc. Have you checked the story of Hitchin Church? Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> To: <BEDFORD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 7:43 PM Subject: [BDF] James WEST > Hi List, > my great great grandfather James West was a writer and an artist > specialising in stained glass window design. according to family tradition > his work adorns a number of English churches. The family lived for some > years in Tavistock St. Bedford, and subsequently in Islington. There is > supposed to be some connection to Hitchin Church in Bedford, and he > apparently attended Bishopgate school when he was 10. His studio after he > left Tavistock St Bedford was Dartmouth Chambers, Theobalds Rd. WC > James had a brother named Benjamin and their father's name was Richard, > who > was apparently an ironmonger. > I have a copy of the marriage certificate of James West to Ann Margaret > Pickford on June 8th 1842, and some census records showing his later > family > life, but would like to be able to find out more about his earlier life > and > his ancestry. If anyone can help me I would be very grateful, > thanks, > Sharon > New South Wales, > Australia > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sutton on Trent is only a few miles down the road from me so if there are any local photos needed please contact me Dave V -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 22 February 2010 13:07 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] James WEST Sharon stated James had a brother Benjamin. The only Benjamin West on IGI with father Richard was christened 1820 at Sutton on Trent in Nottinghamshire. There was also a James 1819 and Joseph 1822. But if she has the right person in 1851 and 1861 census the stated birthplace is Clerkenwell. The 1861 occupation which includes painter could be consistent with glass decorating. There is a James ch1818 in Camomile St London with parents Richard and Martha. There are three other children but no Benjamin. I think we need to know what happened to James after 1861. I can't find them in 1871 or 1881 Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2701 - Release Date: 02/21/10 07:34:00