While researching Kent I came across a stray LARKINS from BDF, may be of interest to someone. Elizabeth LARKINS bap 18 Jan 1784 Biggleswade to John & Mary 30 Sep 1819 Deal KEN Elizabeth LARKINS married Thomas THOMPSON If you are interested in more details - descendants etc. - please ask. Pamela

On 17 Mar 2010 , Pamela Morris-Kennedy said: While researching Kent I came across a stray LARKINS from BDF, may be of interest to someone. Elizabeth LARKINS bap 18 Jan 1784 Biggleswade to John & Mary 30 Sep 1819 Deal KEN Elizabeth LARKINS married Thomas THOMPSON If you are interested in more details - descendants etc. - please ask. Pamela --------------------------- That's one for our web site Pamela, many thanks. I can add for you that John was a blacksmith, an item in the register that does not appear on the IGI of course. Any other information about her, or any other Biggleswade event, will be gratefully received. -- Best regards Mike Strange Vice Chairman - Biggleswade History Society www.BiggleswadeHistory.org.uk

(page 17) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 164 William Martin House 1/0/0 " Garden 0/10/0 0/0/9 165 James Martin House 1/0/0 0/0/6 166 Thos Moore " 1/0/0 0/0/6 167 William Osborn " 1/10/0 0/0/9 168 " 1/0/0 0/0/6 169 Pye " 1/10/0 0/0/9 170 Bull " 1/10/0 0/0/9 171 Petit " 1/10/0 0/0/9 172 Joseph King " 1/10/0 0/0/9 173 Thos Newman " 1/0/0 0/0/6 174 Samuel Berrill " 1/0/0 0/0/6 175 Luff 1/0/0 0/0/6 176 Seymour " 1/0/0 0/0/6 (totals) 16/0/0 0/7/6 0/0/6 (page 18) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 177 Joseph Northern House 6/0/0 0/3/0 178 " 1/10/0 0/0/9 179 Reed " 5/0/0 " Land 12/6/1 ½ 0/8/8 ½ 180 J B Squires Farm & 196/5/3 " Close 6/0/0 " Farm 101/5/3 " " 50/7/0 " " 92/10/9 " Land 25/4/0 11/15/9 ½ 181 Chris Wilson Farm 163/16/9 " Close 22/12/8 4/13/3 182 James Day House Md & Close 19/0/0 0/9/6 183 Daniel Ingram House & Close 16/19/3 0/13/3 (totals) 128/9/0 ½ 18/3/6 0/0/9 Ford Assessment Rate Excused 728/9/1 ½ 18/3/6 0/0/9 16/0/0 0/7/6 0/0/6 17/0/0 0/8/6 39/11/0 1/8/0 ¼ 0/1/9 453/15/0 11/6/10 ¼ (totals) 1274/15/0 ½ 31/14/4 ½ 0/3/0 (page 19) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 184 J H Day Esq Land 6/19/7 " Farm 131/10/6 " Allotments 4/18/6 " Land 4/0/0 " " 3/5/6 " " 8/0/0 " Meadow 9/0/0 " " 6/11/4 " Farm 584/2/2 19/9/2 ¼ 185 8/0/0 0/4/0 186 Joseph Banks Land 9/18/10 0/4/11 ½ 187 Proprietors of the Tolls On the Navigation 85/10/0 2/2/9 190 Rycraft Close 2/10/0 0/1/3 191 John Savill " 12/0/0 0/6/0 192 Charles Grey " 0/4/10 0/2/3 (totals) 900/16/5 22/6/4 ¾ 0/4/0 (page 20) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 193 Oliver Kimon Land 16/19/2 0/8/6 195 Union House & Brewery 160/0/0 4/0/0 (totals) 176/19/2 4/8/6 St Neots Assessment Rate 171/19/2 4/9/4 900/16/5 22/18/10 (totals) 1077/13/7 26/18/10 (page 21) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 196 Saml Wright J H Day Esq 2/10/0 0/1/3 197 Samuel Sargent House & 1/0/0 " Land 2/0/0 0/4/0 198 Mrs Hawks House 2/0/0 00/1/0 199 Edw Wadsworth " 1/0/0 0/0/6 200 James Anderson House & Cook 9/3/2 0/4/7 201 George Abbott House 1/10/0 0/0/9 202 Lovell " 1/10/0 0/0/9 203 Mrs Addington " 1/10/0 0/0/9 204 Cath Heath " 1/10/0 0/0/9 205 James Harrowdine " 11/8/0 0/5/8 ½ 206 Mary Martin " 15/4/0 0/7/7 ½ 207 Eben Cooper " 10/9/0 " Land 26/16/6 0/18/7 ½ (totals) 92/10/8 2/6/3 ¼

Kia Ora Jim Middle Earth New Zealand? Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bundy" <jbundy48@verizon.net> To: "Rootsweb Bedford" <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 08, 2010 2:20 PM Subject: [BDF] Eaton Socon Surveyors Rates 1845, pages 12-16 I'm beginning to think mine were hobbits and lived in holes. Jim Bundy Page 12 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 115 Robert Little House & 9/0/0 " Land 6/0/0 0/7/6 116 House 1/10/0 0/0/9 117 Richardson " 2/0/0 118 " 1/0/0 0/0/6 119 George Leighton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 120 John Topham " 12/1/6 " Land 61/3/6 " " 47/0/6 2/0/1 ¾ 121 Thos Lee House 1/10/0 0/0/9 122 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 123 " 1/10/0 0/0/9 124 " 1/10/0 0/0/9 125 Charles Gray " 1/10/0 0/0/9 126 John Brightman " 1/10/0 0/0/9 (totals) 151/5/6 3/11/10 ¾ 0/3/9 Page 13 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 126 House 1/0/0 0/0/6 127 John Barber " 4/0/0 0/2/0 128 William Stocker ": 8/1/0 " Land 3/0/0 " Land 2/7/6 0/7/8 ½ (totals) 18/1/0 0/8/6 ½ 0/0/6 Town Assessment Rate Deceased (pages 1-13) 18/1/0 0/8/6 ½ 0/0/6 151/5/6 3/11/10 ¾ 0/3/9 49/6/0 1/2/6 ½ 0/2/1 ½ 134/10/1 3/17/3 ½ 62/11/11 1/7/5 0/6/0 330/14/3 8/5/4 ½ 91/15/0 2/3/10 ¼ 0/2/0 68/12/6 1/9/3 ½ 0/5/0 245/4/3 ½ 4/2/7 222/7/6 3/9/8 ½ 0/1/6 33/0/0 0/10/6 0/6/0 114/19/2 2/13/8 ½ 0/1/9 54/0/0 1/4/3 0/0/9 (totals) 1596/12/2 38/11/0 1/7/2 ½ (page 14) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 130 John Bartram House & Land 3/0/0 0/1/6 131 Francis Arnold House 2/0/0 0/1/0 132 James Ingle " 2/0/0 0/1/0 133 George White " 3/0/0 0/1/6 134 Fairy " 7/0/0 0/3/6 135 Topham " & Garden 17/16/3 " Close 11/12/9 0/14/9 136 John Hall Farm 191/2/10 " Land 15/7/4 " " 19/9/2 " " 66/10/0 " House & Garden 4/0/0 " Farm & 20/10/2 " " 79/6/6 9/18/1 ½ (totals) 453/15/0 11/6/10 ½ (page 15) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 137 Joseph Joyce House & 2/0/0 0/1/0 138 Thos Hewitt " & Bakehouse 7/0/0 0/3/6 139 Chapman House 1/0/0 0/0/6 140 Francis Stocker " 1/0/0 0/0/6 141 John Caterine " 13/6/0 0/6/7 Weaver to Wade 142 George Strange House & 1/10/0 0/0/9 143 William Tibbert Do & Shop 11/0/0 0/4/6 144 Saml Osborne " 6/0/0 0/3/0 145 George Garton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 146 2/10/0 0/1/3 147 John Briley " 1/0/0 0/0/6 148 Richard Middleton " 1/0/0 0/0/6 149 William Wade Orchard 3/0/0 " " 1/0/0 0/2/1 ½ 150 1/0/0 0/0/6 (totals) 59/11/0 1/8/0 ½ 0/1/9 (page 16) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 151 John Freeman House 1/0/0 0/0/6 152 Beal " 2/0/0 0/1/0 153 John Smith " 1/0/0 0/0/6 154 Saml Freeman " 1/0/0 0/0/6 155 George Deighton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 156 George Robinson " 1/10/0 0/0/9 157 George Nicholdson " 1/10/0 0/0/9 158 John Grey " 1/10/0 0/0/9 159 Thos Barley " 1/10/0 0/0/9 160 John Pickett " 1/0/0 0/0/6 161 John Winter " 1/0/0 0/0/6 162 Willm Newman " 1/0/0 0/0/6 163 George Warren " 1/0/0 0/0/6 (totals) 17/0/0 0/8/6 The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For Peter Booth, I've tried three times to send this to you direct but it has bounced back every time. >From the Northamptonshire Marriage Index 1700-1837 by Alan Clarke and Marilyn Ponting: Robert Bettle / Bettel, otp, bachelor, married Martha Panter, otp, spinster, 30th September 1813, Wollaston. Wollaston is the next village to Bozeat. Kind regards Kathy -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 03 March 2010 22:29 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] Sarah or Sally BETTLES - ch 1818 Milton Ernest John, Thanks once again for your help. I'll try and follow through on Joseph and Thomas and see if it leads anywhere. There's no parish listing for Bozeat in Hugh Wallis and no Robert Bettles c1790 in Northampton. I looked at all the Martha's in Wollaston but there's only one, a Martha Luddington that gets near the age and she married a Samuel Warner in London. Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm beginning to think mine were hobbits and lived in holes. Jim Bundy Page 12 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 115 Robert Little House & 9/0/0 " Land 6/0/0 0/7/6 116 House 1/10/0 0/0/9 117 Richardson " 2/0/0 118 " 1/0/0 0/0/6 119 George Leighton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 120 John Topham " 12/1/6 " Land 61/3/6 " " 47/0/6 2/0/1 ¾ 121 Thos Lee House 1/10/0 0/0/9 122 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 123 " 1/10/0 0/0/9 124 " 1/10/0 0/0/9 125 Charles Gray " 1/10/0 0/0/9 126 John Brightman " 1/10/0 0/0/9 (totals) 151/5/6 3/11/10 ¾ 0/3/9 Page 13 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 126 House 1/0/0 0/0/6 127 John Barber " 4/0/0 0/2/0 128 William Stocker ": 8/1/0 " Land 3/0/0 " Land 2/7/6 0/7/8 ½ (totals) 18/1/0 0/8/6 ½ 0/0/6 Town Assessment Rate Deceased (pages 1-13) 18/1/0 0/8/6 ½ 0/0/6 151/5/6 3/11/10 ¾ 0/3/9 49/6/0 1/2/6 ½ 0/2/1 ½ 134/10/1 3/17/3 ½ 62/11/11 1/7/5 0/6/0 330/14/3 8/5/4 ½ 91/15/0 2/3/10 ¼ 0/2/0 68/12/6 1/9/3 ½ 0/5/0 245/4/3 ½ 4/2/7 222/7/6 3/9/8 ½ 0/1/6 33/0/0 0/10/6 0/6/0 114/19/2 2/13/8 ½ 0/1/9 54/0/0 1/4/3 0/0/9 (totals) 1596/12/2 38/11/0 1/7/2 ½ (page 14) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 130 John Bartram House & Land 3/0/0 0/1/6 131 Francis Arnold House 2/0/0 0/1/0 132 James Ingle " 2/0/0 0/1/0 133 George White " 3/0/0 0/1/6 134 Fairy " 7/0/0 0/3/6 135 Topham " & Garden 17/16/3 " Close 11/12/9 0/14/9 136 John Hall Farm 191/2/10 " Land 15/7/4 " " 19/9/2 " " 66/10/0 " House & Garden 4/0/0 " Farm & 20/10/2 " " 79/6/6 9/18/1 ½ (totals) 453/15/0 11/6/10 ½ (page 15) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 137 Joseph Joyce House & 2/0/0 0/1/0 138 Thos Hewitt " & Bakehouse 7/0/0 0/3/6 139 Chapman House 1/0/0 0/0/6 140 Francis Stocker " 1/0/0 0/0/6 141 John Caterine " 13/6/0 0/6/7 Weaver to Wade 142 George Strange House & 1/10/0 0/0/9 143 William Tibbert Do & Shop 11/0/0 0/4/6 144 Saml Osborne " 6/0/0 0/3/0 145 George Garton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 146 2/10/0 0/1/3 147 John Briley " 1/0/0 0/0/6 148 Richard Middleton " 1/0/0 0/0/6 149 William Wade Orchard 3/0/0 " " 1/0/0 0/2/1 ½ 150 1/0/0 0/0/6 (totals) 59/11/0 1/8/0 ½ 0/1/9 (page 16) No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 151 John Freeman House 1/0/0 0/0/6 152 Beal " 2/0/0 0/1/0 153 John Smith " 1/0/0 0/0/6 154 Saml Freeman " 1/0/0 0/0/6 155 George Deighton " 2/0/0 0/1/0 156 George Robinson " 1/10/0 0/0/9 157 George Nicholdson " 1/10/0 0/0/9 158 John Grey " 1/10/0 0/0/9 159 Thos Barley " 1/10/0 0/0/9 160 John Pickett " 1/0/0 0/0/6 161 John Winter " 1/0/0 0/0/6 162 Willm Newman " 1/0/0 0/0/6 163 George Warren " 1/0/0 0/0/6 (totals) 17/0/0 0/8/6

<Thu, 4 Mar 2010 09:29:10 +1100 Peter wrote: There's no parish listing for Bozeat in Hugh Wallis…> There is a Nottingham Marriage site which includes Bozeat which gives two E-Mail addresses to write for a free marriage lookup. http://www.northants-familytree.net/northants%20marrriages%20look%20ups.htm You probably also want to check their website for Northants Strays. Good luck, Charlotte

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John, Thanks once again for your help. I'll try and follow through on Joseph and Thomas and see if it leads anywhere. There's no parish listing for Bozeat in Hugh Wallis and no Robert Bettles c1790 in Northampton. I looked at all the Martha's in Wollaston but there's only one, a Martha Luddington that gets near the age and she married a Samuel Warner in London. Peter

There is a baptism at Milton Ernest on 8 Mar 1918 for Sally Bettles daughter of Robert & Martha, labourer I didn't find a marriage for the parents though. However on 1851 census living at ME are Robert b 1789 Bozeat & Martha b 1793 Woolaston; so perhaps there married in Northants They have son Joseph b 1825; & going back to 1841 they have another son Thomas b 1821. On the 19 Sept 1838 marriage at ME of Richard White, minor of Bletsoe to Sarah Bettles, minor of Milton Ernest, it states her father as Robert Bettles, labourer, Witnesses Thomas Bettles & Elizabeth White If you find out who Robert marries please let me know cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [BDF] Sarah or Sally BETTLES - ch 1818 Milton Ernest > > IGI has a batch record I036410 for the above christening to parents > Robert Bettles & Martha. > > What is strange is that there in no source information other than the > batch number. Can anyone explain? > > I wonder if someone has PR's for Milton Ernest or can identify Robert > Bettles and Martha. > > Peter in Sydney. > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00

Page 6 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 54 William Hall House & Shop 11/17/6 " Malting 9/10/0 " Shop Close & 14/5/0 " Land 3/2/1 0/19/4 ½ 55 House 2/0/0 0/1/0 56 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 57 George Robinson " 2/0/0 0/1/0 58 William Law " & Close 11/17/6 0/5/11 59 John Webster " 2/0/0 0/1/0 60 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 61 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 62 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 63 Robert Ekins " 2/0/0 0/1/0 64 Mrs Stadder " 2/0/0 0/1/0 (totals) 65/12/6 1/9/3 ½ 0/5/0 Page 7 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 65 John Beard House Shop & 3/10/0 " Land 3/0/0 0/3/3 66 Mrs Beard House 2/0/0 0/1/0 67 William Rosamond " & Bakehouse 10/9/0 0/3/2 ¾ 68 Esqr Darnell House & Premises 19/0/0 " Land 14/5/0 " Land 13/6/0 69 John Jubb House & Land 13/6/0 " Land 1/0/0 0/7/1 ½ 70 J W Elliott House & 15/5/0 0/7/1 ½ 71 John Woods " 3/0/0 0/1/6 72 Thos Newman " 4/0/0 0/2/0 73 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 74 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 (totals) 103/3/0 2/9/6 ¾ 0/2/0 Page 8 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 75 W Peppercorn Esqr House & 28/10/0 0/14/3 76 Fowler Farm 176/3/3 " Land 38/0/0 " " 7/1/0 5/10/7 ½ 77 James King House & Shop 6/0/0 0/3/0 78 William Leech " 2/0/0 0/1/0 79 Dan Humberson " 2/0/0 0/1/0 80 Jerry Lee " 2/0/0 0/1/0 81 Rex Hewitt House Office & Close 28/10/0 0/14/3 82 John Brown House Brewhouse 28/0/0 0/14/0 83 William Flawn " 7/0/0 0/3/6 (totals) 330/14/3 8/5/4 ½ Page 9 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 84 William Day House 1/10/0 0/2/3 85 Rob Brown " 3/0/0 0/1/6 86 John Dexter " & Close 11/3/3 " Land 4/10/0 0/7/10 87 Thos Brightman House & Shop 4/0/0 " Land 12/13/8 0/8/4 88 House 2/0/0 0/1/0 89 Lee " 2/0/0 0/1/0 90 " 2/0/0 0/1/0 91 James Brown " 2/0/0 0/1/0 92 " 4/0/0 0/2/0 93 William Topham " 6/0/0 0/3/0 " " 5/0/0 0/2/6 (totals) 62/16/11 1/4/11 0/6/6 Page 10 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 95 Mr Wilson of Chawson ("Islip of Jordan" lined out) Barn & Yard 20/18/0 0/10/5 ½ 96 O Riley Wilkinson House & 28/10/0 " Close 12/1/10 " " 4/14/1 " " 7/0/0 1/1/2 97 John Livett House & Close 22/16/0 0/11/4 ½ 98 James Mathews " 4/10/0 " Land 6/2/1 0/5/4 ½ 99 George Cooper House 1/10/0 0/0/9 100 Calvert " 1/10/0 0/0/9 101 Mrs Boot " 4/0/0 0/2/0 102 Minell " 4/10/0 " Land 31/7/0 0/17/11 103 Rev W Lyle House 5/0/0 0/2/6 (totals) 154/10/1 3/17/3 ½ Page 11 No of Assessment Names of Occupiers or Persons Rated Description of Premises and Property Rated Annual Value Sums assessed at 6d in the Pound Amount of Arrears of former Rate if any Total Amount to be collected Amount actually collected Date when collected Amount not recoverable, or legally excused 103 Mrs Neal House Garden & Shop 4/10/0 " Cottage 1/0/0 0/2/9 104 John Neal " 1/10/0 0/0/9 105 Mark Bradshaw " 3/0/0 0/1/6 106 William Croft " 3/0/0 0/1/6 107 John Holly " & Land 7/10/0 0/3/9 109 Sa ml Smith " 8/1/0 0/4/0 ½ 110 House 2/0/0 0/1/0 111 " 1/5/0 0/0/7 ½ 112 " 1/0/0 0/0/6 113 William Flanders " & Shop 3/10/0 0/1/9 William Cox House & 6/13/0 " Land 0/19/0 0/3/6 ½ (totals) 53/16/1 1/6/3 0/2/1 ½

IGI has a batch record I036410 for the above christening to parents Robert Bettles & Martha. What is strange is that there in no source information other than the batch number. Can anyone explain? I wonder if someone has PR's for Milton Ernest or can identify Robert Bettles and Martha. Peter in Sydney.

> > Hi Steven, > > I am interested in St. Mary's Lambeth and seeing your comment below, are > you > saying that the 'marriages' for that parish on the IGI are really banns, > or > was the transcription elsewhere? I'm not sure exactly what has happened, but I pulled all the relevant entries out of Ancestry's London Metropolitan Archives databases for my one-namer. Several marriages that I had previously taken from the IGI with an "I" batch number only showed up in the banns register and not in the actual marriage register. Several of these "missing" marriages then appeared at a different church. Of course very many of the entries in the banns register referred to marriages that later took place at St Mary's, but the date given on the IGI was that of the third reading of the banns, not of the marriage itself, so it seems a reasonable assumption that the banns register was used in error. Steven

Hi Merryl Although there *may* be some banns transcribed (I haven't seen them so can't comment) but there are certainly some marriages on the IGI under "I" batches as my g.g.g.grandparents married there in 1807, I have the source page which is certainly the marriage not banns However, Ancestry have them anyway If you want me to check one for you let me know Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Hi Steven, > > I am interested in St. Mary's Lambeth and seeing your comment below, are > you > saying that the 'marriages' for that parish on the IGI are really banns, > or > was the transcription elsewhere? > > From > Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds.

Thanks, David. That would explain why the 1814 marriage is there but not the 1812 marriage. Regards Lyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records > Hi Lyn > > The Escan site doesn't give dates covered for their PR transcriptions, but > from a quick trial and error it looks as though start in 1813 > > David > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi David >> >> Thank you for sending the link for Eaton Socon Parish Records. Although >> no >> marriage for Elizabeth Blofield and Samuel Freshwater found, I did find >> births for their children. >> >> Regards >> Lyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records >> >> >> > http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp has full details of the 1814 >> > marriage, not that it adds much to what's on the IGI >> > >> > David >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon >> and >> >> would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. >> >> >> >> Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN >> >> 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> >> >> and >> >> Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER >> >> 25 MAY 1812 >> >> Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Lyn >> >> Sydney >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> <http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > The List Guidelines >> > >> > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> > >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Steven, I am interested in St. Mary's Lambeth and seeing your comment below, are you saying that the 'marriages' for that parish on the IGI are really banns, or was the transcription elsewhere? From Merryl Wells of Luton, Beds. E-Mail: merryl.wells@one-name.org GOONS Mem. No. 1757 Reg. ONS: Bawtree; Gullick/ock, Moist/Moyst Mem. of Wells Assn. (GOONS Reg.). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Gibbs" <steven@sgibbs1.freeserve.co.uk> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Sarah or Sally BETTLES - ch 1818 Milton Ernest > >> IGI has a batch record I036410 for the above christening to parents >> Robert Bettles & Martha. >> >> What is strange is that there in no source information other than the >> batch number. Can anyone explain? > > "I" batch numbers are extractions done by LDS volunteers. No quality > checking seems to have been done, so the accuracy of these extractions is > very much in doubt. This batch appears to be a selection of baptisms and > marriages from the period 1813-37, which were not previously on the IGI. > > Whereas a cursory look at this particular batch suggests it may be > reasonably reliable, others I have found have been totally incompetent. > For > example, somebody transcribed the banns register for St Mary, Lambeth, > thinking it was the marriage register. > > Steven > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ______________________________________________ > This email has been scanned by Netintelligence > http://www.netintelligence.com/email > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00

Hi David, You're correct, and I did some of them myself. I hope to get to the earlier records some day. Guess I'd better be alive till I'm very old, not just old like now. :) Jim Bundy -------------------------------------------------- From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:21 AM To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records > Hi Lyn > > The Escan site doesn't give dates covered for their PR transcriptions, but > from a quick trial and error it looks as though start in 1813 > > David > > > On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> wrote: > >> Hi David >> >> Thank you for sending the link for Eaton Socon Parish Records. Although >> no >> marriage for Elizabeth Blofield and Samuel Freshwater found, I did find >> births for their children. >> >> Regards >> Lyn >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David" <david11000carca@gmail.com> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2010 3:14 PM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] Eaton Soccon Parish Records >> >> >> > http://www.tsgcs.co.uk/escan/marriages.asp has full details of the 1814 >> > marriage, not that it adds much to what's on the IGI >> > >> > David >> > >> > On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 1:12 AM, Lyn Mealey <lmealey@bigpond.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I'm hoping that someone has access to parish records for Eaton Soccon >> and >> >> would be willing to look up 2 marriages for me please. >> >> >> >> Martha BLOFIELD and Noah NADEN / NADIN >> >> 07 SEP 1814 Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> >> >> and >> >> Elizabeth/Betsy BLOFIELD and Samuel FRESHWATER >> >> 25 MAY 1812 >> >> Eaton Socon, Bedford, England >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Lyn >> >> Sydney >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> <http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > The List Guidelines >> > >> > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> > >> > The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> > >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedf.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter There are no Bettles in the Milton Ernest PR up to 1812. I can check the microfilche at the Archives next time I go. I suspect it is valid, as Sarah Bettles married Richard White in ME on 19 Sept 1838, extracted entry on IGI, which states her father as Robert. . As an aside; Richard White (1817) son of Richard White (1771) & Mary Woods; & father Richard had an older sister Elizabeth (1764) who was 2nd wife to my gt-gt-gt grandfather Thomas Partridge cheers John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: [BDF] Sarah or Sally BETTLES - ch 1818 Milton Ernest > > IGI has a batch record I036410 for the above christening to parents > Robert Bettles & Martha. > > What is strange is that there in no source information other than the > batch number. Can anyone explain? > > I wonder if someone has PR's for Milton Ernest or can identify Robert > Bettles and Martha. > > Peter in Sydney. > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2712 - Release Date: 02/26/10 19:39:00

> IGI has a batch record I036410 for the above christening to parents > Robert Bettles & Martha. > > What is strange is that there in no source information other than the > batch number. Can anyone explain? "I" batch numbers are extractions done by LDS volunteers. No quality checking seems to have been done, so the accuracy of these extractions is very much in doubt. This batch appears to be a selection of baptisms and marriages from the period 1813-37, which were not previously on the IGI. Whereas a cursory look at this particular batch suggests it may be reasonably reliable, others I have found have been totally incompetent. For example, somebody transcribed the banns register for St Mary, Lambeth, thinking it was the marriage register. Steven

Hi Sharon, > it seems highly likely that the family have been quite careless > with their information. Please don't be too hard on the family - for I'm sure that they were doing their best to be as accurate as they could... You're dealing with Family Stories here, passed down verbally, probably through at least 3 generations, so the "Chinese Whispers" effect is likely to be strong. Each person will remember the bits that interested them when they first heard them - so parts will inevitably get lost - and some of the finer details can get distorted when trying to remember them many years later. The other point to remember is that there's usually at least a degree of romanticising or lightly-gentrifying ancestors in general. You're starting from something like a jigsaw puzzle bought at a garage sale - *some* of the pieces will match the picture on the box - some are from elsewhere - but you'll *still* end up with missing ones at the end..... I've only been able to find one Directory for the [vaguely] relevant period of 1851-71 - the 1852 Post Office London Directory (Small Edition) - which although including several commercial undertakings in Tavistock Place none included a likely business that would've employed James. [However, it was indexed using OCR and produced several "hits" that seemed to bear no resemblance to the actual entries highlighted, so it's quite possible that some genuine entries would've been missed... What it *didn't* include were either street directories or classification by trades.] OTOH the alphabetical list of "Commercials" by surname *did* include 2 James WESTs; 1) a sealing wax and soda water fountain maker of 27 Lombard Street; and 2) a brewer and maltster of 213 Poplar High Street [but he was actually a James William] which unfortunately don't add anything :-( Admittedly a single directory producing no results can't be considered 'proof' that James wasn't in business on his own account at *some* stage during the period, although it could be said to support the view that - in 1852, at any rate - he most likely was not. Best wishes for success in the disentangling... Gus From: "Sharon Mathieson" <sharon.mathieson@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 8:33 PM Hi Guy, the information I have is that the address is Tavistock Street, but no documentary support. When I read back through the information it actually states that James lived in Tavistock St and then later moved to Islington. It was after he left Tavistock St that he had his studio in Theobalds Road. Looking at all the information that you have included, it seems highly likely that the family have been quite careless with their information. On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Gus Tysoe <gustysoe@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > Hello Sharon, > > There seems to be a great degree of uncertainty here about the BDF > Connection, which is possibly not helped by the differences in how you > worded it in your 2 introductory questions: > on 13 Feb as Tavistock ROAD, Bedford; and > on 22 Feb as Tavistock STREET, Bedford. > Both cannot be right, but there's no way of telling which is the wrong > one. > > Do you have any documentary source to support either one that you could > share with us? > > > Then come the present-day street names - via Google Maps.... > Tavistock STREET > Nothing in the London area; but one in Bedford [part of the A6] > Tavistock ROAD > Nothing anywhere in BDF, but in London there's one in Notting Hill - > which (probably entirely coincidentally) is joined by a St Lukes Road... > Tavistock SQUARE and Tavistock PLACE [approx ¼ mile North of the British > Museum, and part of the (former?) Duke of Bedford's Estate - and with > their > names unchanged since at least 1851] > Perhaps also coincidentally, Theobalds Road - the site of James WEST's > later > Studio - is within ¾ mile of the latter two... > > > Throw in that James' birth was consistently given as Clerkenwell, MDX in > the > 1851 & 1861; that he married in Islington, MDX in 1842 - giving his > address > as the one he was recorded at in 1851; was also living in Islington in > 1861 - where all his children were shown as being born; and that both > addresses were in reasonably easy reach of the British Museum [which in > all > probability would be a good place for someone with his reported > occupations > to obtain commissions] the chances of his ever having been in the City of > Bedford would seem to be rather small. > > Granted there's the element of Hitchin Church - which was never in BDF, > although not far from it - but if he was involved in stained-glass-window > design there'd be little *need* for him to be doing much on-site, beyond > *very carefully* measuring the apertures before he started, and - > perhaps - > supervising their installation once completed. > > The apparent "disappearance" of the family after 1861 - taken with the > knowledge that Frank and Edward went to New Zealand - tends to the belief > that perhaps all of them emigrated [if not necessarily directly to New > Zealand] during the 1860s. But, unfortunately, the number of WESTs in > circulation makes it a great deal harder to find any individuals :-( > > Another possible problem is that James may well not have worked on his own > account, being instead an employee whose name may not have figured on the > final work. It's possible that the book "Stained Glass Marks and > Monographs" > [published by NADFAS of 8 Guildford St, London, WC1N 1DA] which gives > "short > biographical information on many designers and firms" just *might* give > helpful details. < http://www.nadfas.org.uk/default.asp?section=171 > > > > HTH. > > Gus > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message