Hi, I'm new to this list & was wondering if anyone else was researching the same family as I am. They're the PETERS from Millbrook. My earliest ancestors from this line are James PETERS (b. Lidlington 1789, son of William Peters and Sarah) and Ann REDMAN (b. approx 1797, in Hulcote), they married in Millbrook in 1821 & went on to have 10 children, including my g.g.grandfather John, who married Mary SHARP(E) in Millbrook in 1851. Although my branch of the family moved from Millbrook to London in the 1860s, they remained close to their family in Millbrook - indeed I can remember being taken there as a child in the 1960s to visit "relatives" (oh how I wish I'd asked all those family history questions....). Is anyone else linked to this family? Best wishes ... Ann

Hi listers I am new to this list and would love some help Can anyone help with this marraige of family William Ansell Married Elizabeth Hucklesby 14 Apr 1838 I think both where widows As in 1851 both have Children Born before 1838 Willaim Hucklesby 1826, Lutton George Ansell 1830, Lutton, Frederick 1835 I have found that George & Frederick at christened at saint Mary, Lutton also there is a Brother Levi Williams Wife is A Elizabeth what I dont know is is this the same Elizabeth as the one who marries 1838 any help with this line I would be greatful for Happy Boxing day James H Etheridge

Hello Deborah, In going through my ol email I found your message. Do you have access to the Biggleswade cemetery? My ancestors are buried there. Thank You and Merry Christmas Mary Hall ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Garrand" <debbiegarrand@hotmail.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2005 8:39 AM Subject: [BDF] Monumental Inscriptions > Hi Folks, > > Just wondered if anyone is interested in transcriptions from > churchyards/cemeteries in Bedfordshire. If you'd like me to look up > anyone, I will happily do so. But note that there are not inscriptions for > every person who is buried there - some are long gone or worn away, and > some folks never had a memorial in the first place. The places I have > transcriptions for at present are: > > Battlesden St Peter > Potsgrove (outside only) St Mary the Virgin > Tilsworth All Saints - finished this morning! > Dunstable Priory (outside only) > Hockliffe St Nicholas > Milton Bryan St Peter's > Part of Luton General Cemetery (Rothesay Road) - still in progress! > A very small part of Luton Church Cemetery (Crawley Green Road) - still in > progress! > Part of Dunstable West Street Cemetery - still in progress > > Thanks. > > Deb. > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > >

In message <000a01c6076d$234f5830$382d37d2@PEANUT>, Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> writes >Hate to state the obvious but are you sure this mystery man (whose surname >you haven't given) wasn't simply mistranscribed????????? >EVERY lister here will be able to tell horror stories of mistranscriptions >some of which bear no resemblance to the original! >If you gave a name, village and approximate d.o.b I am sure people would be >only to glad to check for you. >Likelihood is that any suppport would have come from the Church. This would be quite surprising, unless for some reason the woman had a special connection with the church. Even in the days when poor relief was parish based, it was not handed out by the Church, but by (voluntary) officers chosen from among local inhabitants. They were called Overseers and were responsible for collecting money from the better off folk in the area of the parish and handing it out to the poor of various kinds. This changed in 1834 to a Union based system, where half a dozen or a dozen small parishes were combined, under the supervision of a Board of Guardians.They took people into the workhouse or supplied 'outrelief' to paupers in their own homes. The only connection with the church was that the churchwardens would often have historical control over chairty funds, and hand out blankets, coal, shirts and shifts, to selected poor or aged persons/ > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

> >Assuming that he was living somewhere else with >someone else would there have been any requirement at >that time for him to make payments to support his >legal wife and children? First catch your hare. If his whereabouts could be ascertained, then yes, he could be taken to court and sued for maintenance - which was a powerful reason for a change of name, and moving well away from the vicinity. > >Would such support have been determined by a court? If >so, would a record of this still exist? Yes if he was caught . Petty sessions local to the place where the wife lived. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hate to state the obvious but are you sure this mystery man (whose surname you haven't given) wasn't simply mistranscribed????????? EVERY lister here will be able to tell horror stories of mistranscriptions some of which bear no resemblance to the original! If you gave a name, village and approximate d.o.b I am sure people would be only to glad to check for you. Likelihood is that any suppport would have come from the Church. You would have to search the Overseer's accounts /parish records. Do you know when & where he died even though you haven't found the registration? Regards Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Valentine" <wellsclanman@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 3:16 PM Subject: RE: [BDF] Using an alias > Thanks to Terry and Eve for their replies. > > My alias using ancestor had a total of eight children > with his wife - three of these were born after he > missed being included in the 1881 Bedford census in > which his wife described herself as "head of > household" and joiner's wife. > > Assuming that he was living somewhere else with > someone else would there have been any requirement at > that time for him to make payments to support his > legal wife and children? > > Would such support have been determined by a court? If > so, would a record of this still exist? > > Ray > > --- "Terry Barcock, 153 Ltd" <terry.barcock@153.co.uk> > wrote: > >> "Using" an alias is a modern and very "written-down" >> concept. >> Names were recorded in official documents as the >> compiler chose to spell >> them, >> so the joiner recorded away from home may well be >> COOKE while his wife is >> COOK >> on different pages of the same census. An individual >> may thus have >> multiple aliases without ever being aware of it. >> >> But if - for whatever reason - COOKE(E) gave his >> name as ROBINSON >> (unless for a fraudulent purpose), there never has >> been anything in English >> law >> to stop him. Taking a new name is more difficult now >> than 100 years ago >> (bring us photo-id and two proofs of address etc), >> but there is no register. >> Names belong to their bearers, not to the state! >> >> "True identity" of a man known to everyone by a >> particular name is >> the name by which he was generally recognised. Say >> the name and those >> who knew could point to him and say 'THAT man' - >> even if his birth or >> some other life event was recorded with one of his >> many aliases. >> >> Terry Barcock, >> Director, 153 Ltd "Websites that work" >> www.153.co.uk >> Design, hosting and support for E-business and >> Database Applications >> 11 Gladstone Avenue, JOHNSTONE PA5 0RD (UK) Tel >> +44 (0)1505 615360 >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ray Valentine >> [mailto:wellsclanman@yahoo.co.uk] >> Sent: 22 December 2005 04:35 >> To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [BDF] Using an alias >> >> >> An ancestor b 1848 in Bedford avoided the census >> takers in 1881, 1891 and 1901 and also seems to have >> avoided having his death registered (unless he is >> still with us). >> >> He had a family in this period but his wife >> described >> herself to the census takers as head of household >> and >> joiner's wife. >> >> It would appear that he could have been using an >> alias >> and that his death was registered under the alias. >> >> Would he have been required to register the use of >> an >> alias? >> >> Was proof of true identity required when registering >> a >> death between, say 1900 - 1950? >> >> Ray >> Melbourne >> Aust. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ___________________________________________________________ >> Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his >> celebrity party - >> http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at >> http://www.bfhs.org.uk >> >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide >> if this is information that all the list members >> would like to know about or whether it would only be >> of interest to the individual you are replying to. >> >> > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with > voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >

Thanks to Terry and Eve for their replies. My alias using ancestor had a total of eight children with his wife - three of these were born after he missed being included in the 1881 Bedford census in which his wife described herself as "head of household" and joiner's wife. Assuming that he was living somewhere else with someone else would there have been any requirement at that time for him to make payments to support his legal wife and children? Would such support have been determined by a court? If so, would a record of this still exist? Ray --- "Terry Barcock, 153 Ltd" <terry.barcock@153.co.uk> wrote: > "Using" an alias is a modern and very "written-down" > concept. > Names were recorded in official documents as the > compiler chose to spell > them, > so the joiner recorded away from home may well be > COOKE while his wife is > COOK > on different pages of the same census. An individual > may thus have > multiple aliases without ever being aware of it. > > But if - for whatever reason - COOKE(E) gave his > name as ROBINSON > (unless for a fraudulent purpose), there never has > been anything in English > law > to stop him. Taking a new name is more difficult now > than 100 years ago > (bring us photo-id and two proofs of address etc), > but there is no register. > Names belong to their bearers, not to the state! > > "True identity" of a man known to everyone by a > particular name is > the name by which he was generally recognised. Say > the name and those > who knew could point to him and say 'THAT man' - > even if his birth or > some other life event was recorded with one of his > many aliases. > > Terry Barcock, > Director, 153 Ltd "Websites that work" > www.153.co.uk > Design, hosting and support for E-business and > Database Applications > 11 Gladstone Avenue, JOHNSTONE PA5 0RD (UK) Tel > +44 (0)1505 615360 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Valentine > [mailto:wellsclanman@yahoo.co.uk] > Sent: 22 December 2005 04:35 > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] Using an alias > > > An ancestor b 1848 in Bedford avoided the census > takers in 1881, 1891 and 1901 and also seems to have > avoided having his death registered (unless he is > still with us). > > He had a family in this period but his wife > described > herself to the census takers as head of household > and > joiner's wife. > > It would appear that he could have been using an > alias > and that his death was registered under the alias. > > Would he have been required to register the use of > an > alias? > > Was proof of true identity required when registering > a > death between, say 1900 - 1950? > > Ray > Melbourne > Aust. > > > > > > > > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his > celebrity party - > http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide > if this is information that all the list members > would like to know about or whether it would only be > of interest to the individual you are replying to. > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

In message <20051222043445.70287.qmail@web26806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>, Ray Valentine <wellsclanman@yahoo.co.uk> writes >An ancestor b 1848 in Bedford avoided the census >takers in 1881, 1891 and 1901 and also seems to have >avoided having his death registered (unless he is >still with us). Well, some people lived to surprising ages, but that would be a miracle. > >He had a family in this period but his wife described >herself to the census takers as head of household and >joiner's wife. Joiners, like other building workers, did get around the country - maybe he worked elsewhere and found another lady and stayed there. Maybe, of course, he emigrated. > >Would he have been required to register the use of an >alias? > No - whatever he wanted to call himself was fine, unless for purposes of fraud (i.e. he could not use William Ewart Gladstone and say he was Prime Minister, or Charles Dickens and say he wrote books.) >Was proof of true identity required when registering a >death between, say 1900 - 1950? No - the name you commonly used was the name you were buried under. > >Ray >Melbourne >Aust. > > > > > > > > > > > >___________________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas- >christmas-party.yahoo.net/ > > >==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at >http://www.bfhs.org.uk > -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

"Using" an alias is a modern and very "written-down" concept. Names were recorded in official documents as the compiler chose to spell them, so the joiner recorded away from home may well be COOKE while his wife is COOK on different pages of the same census. An individual may thus have multiple aliases without ever being aware of it. But if - for whatever reason - COOKE(E) gave his name as ROBINSON (unless for a fraudulent purpose), there never has been anything in English law to stop him. Taking a new name is more difficult now than 100 years ago (bring us photo-id and two proofs of address etc), but there is no register. Names belong to their bearers, not to the state! "True identity" of a man known to everyone by a particular name is the name by which he was generally recognised. Say the name and those who knew could point to him and say 'THAT man' - even if his birth or some other life event was recorded with one of his many aliases. Terry Barcock, Director, 153 Ltd "Websites that work" www.153.co.uk Design, hosting and support for E-business and Database Applications 11 Gladstone Avenue, JOHNSTONE PA5 0RD (UK) Tel +44 (0)1505 615360 -----Original Message----- From: Ray Valentine [mailto:wellsclanman@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2005 04:35 To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BDF] Using an alias An ancestor b 1848 in Bedford avoided the census takers in 1881, 1891 and 1901 and also seems to have avoided having his death registered (unless he is still with us). He had a family in this period but his wife described herself to the census takers as head of household and joiner's wife. It would appear that he could have been using an alias and that his death was registered under the alias. Would he have been required to register the use of an alias? Was proof of true identity required when registering a death between, say 1900 - 1950? Ray Melbourne Aust. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/ ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk

An ancestor b 1848 in Bedford avoided the census takers in 1881, 1891 and 1901 and also seems to have avoided having his death registered (unless he is still with us). He had a family in this period but his wife described herself to the census takers as head of household and joiner's wife. It would appear that he could have been using an alias and that his death was registered under the alias. Would he have been required to register the use of an alias? Was proof of true identity required when registering a death between, say 1900 - 1950? Ray Melbourne Aust. ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Exclusive Xmas Game, help Santa with his celebrity party - http://santas-christmas-party.yahoo.net/

In message <002a01c6058a$87d55a50$0302a8c0@DENISEPC>, clive_den <clive_den@ntlworld.com> writes >Looks like Plumbers mistress to me Brian. I think she is an employer of labour, possibly having inherited the business from her husband, the Master Plumber, so -unable to stomach calling her a master plumber, she was labelled Mistress Plumber. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Thank Denise Yes I'm sure that is it but in the context of a Master Plumber had she been a man. As I said I had not before come across the occupation of Mistress Plumber. Regards Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "clive_den" <clive_den@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Elizabeth PINKERD (BAILEY) 1786 - 1851 Census > Looks like Plumbers mistress to me Brian. > Regards > Denise

Looks like Plumbers mistress to me Brian. Regards Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Comley" <brian@bcomley.freeserve.co.uk> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:45 PM Subject: [BDF] Elizabeth PINKERD (BAILEY) 1786 - 1851 Census > Would be grateful if any Lister with access to 1851 Census can let me know > what they think the Occupation of Elizabeth Pinkerd is at Turvey, > Bedfordshire - HO107/1751/312/11 Sch.44. > > I can see 'Plumber' & 'employs 2 men' but what is the bit in the middle? > > Regards > > Brian > > Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) > FHS Member: Glam; Gwent; Wilts > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > >

Hello list, While I have not found anyone in Jim Bundy's Eaton Socon I sure others have. I have missed some of the previous lists, so is there a database we can look into in the hope..... Thanks. Michael Outram New Zealand. -- NOTE: All documents are scanned with "VET AntiVirus, Ver 10.66.0.0 Dated Sept 12 2005" before receiving and sending. http://www.geocities.com/michaeloutram Names: Outram, Humberstone, Alexander, Munro, Gun-Munro, MacLean Places: England, Scotland, Grenada, Peru, Chile, New Zealand Looking for old friends - www.schoolfriends.co.uk

HI Michael, The Bedfordshire list archives are a wonderful resource, fully searchable, at: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/?list=BEDFORD Jim Bundy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Outram" <md.outram@xtra.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 7:16 PM Subject: [BDF] Re: BEDFORD-D Digest V05 #197 > Hello list, > > While I have not found anyone in Jim Bundy's Eaton Socon I sure > others have. I have missed some of the previous lists, so is there > a database we can look into in the hope..... > > Thanks. > > Michael Outram > New Zealand. > > -- > NOTE: All documents are scanned with "VET AntiVirus, Ver 10.66.0.0 > Dated Sept 12 2005" before receiving and sending. > > http://www.geocities.com/michaeloutram > Names: Outram, Humberstone, Alexander, Munro, Gun-Munro, MacLean > Places: England, Scotland, Grenada, Peru, Chile, New Zealand > > Looking for old friends - www.schoolfriends.co.uk > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >

Yes Debbie - I like it. It did not cross my mind that a woman running her own business might be known as a Mistress Plumber. Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah Tiley" <deborah_tiley@yahoo.co.uk> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Elizabeth PINKERD (BAILEY) 1786 - 1851 Census > I read in as Mistress > > Debbie

I read in as Mistress Debbie Brian Comley wrote: >Would be grateful if any Lister with access to 1851 Census can let me know >what they think the Occupation of Elizabeth Pinkerd is at Turvey, >Bedfordshire - HO107/1751/312/11 Sch.44. > >I can see 'Plumber' & 'employs 2 men' but what is the bit in the middle? > >Regards > >Brian > >Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) >FHS Member: Glam; Gwent; Wilts > > > > >==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at >http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Would be grateful if any Lister with access to 1851 Census can let me know what they think the Occupation of Elizabeth Pinkerd is at Turvey, Bedfordshire - HO107/1751/312/11 Sch.44. I can see 'Plumber' & 'employs 2 men' but what is the bit in the middle? Regards Brian Brian Beeche Comley - Porthcawl, Glamorgan (South Wales - UK) FHS Member: Glam; Gwent; Wilts

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I would like to take this moment to personally thank everyone on this great list who has helped my with my research from afar over the past year. The names are too numerous to mention!! I want you all to know that each tidbit of information I am given is so greatly appreciated. I wish you all a safe & happy holiday season. Pat Marshall Ontario, Canada