I am searching for an Elizabeth Alice Randall born in Pimlico London in 1851. The 1861 census for that area is missing and she and family are not on the 1871 census although her brother marries around 1874 and has children in that area from 1876 . I have found on the 1881 census for 33 West Street, Dunstable, Bedford an Elizabeth Randall as a Lodger unmarried 33 years old and born in London Pimlico. It seems too much of a coincidence to me! I feel she must be the same person? Her occupation was a Hat Finisher.. I have since looked for a marriage, death and 1891 census but have found nothing more! Is there any way of finding out in Bedford area where else she might have worked or maybe electoral rolls, if the latter when would they have been done and where would I look for them? I do hope someone has some bright ideas as I do not want to give up on this one!! Heather Smith
JaneLutton@aol.com wrote: >Lila >There is a website (probably several) about straw plaiting and its history but I can't think of the address. I went to google.co.uk and put in straw plaiting as, like you, I too have many plaiters, along with ag labs, in my family. It would seem it was most prominent around the Beds Herts part of England in the 18th to mid 19th century but died out as new styles of hat making came into being. Straw plaiting could sometimes bring in more money than the >labouring, I suppose it would depend on how good you were. >But do check it out as my memory can play tricks! > > Thanks (and to the others who've given me information). I'm pretty sure my mother told me her relations had a hat factory in Luton (she was born in 1905 in London) that made panama hats. I doubt if these would have been made with the plaited straw, so perhaps they had 'moved with the times'. Panama hats were worn by schoolgirls, even when I was at high school in the 1950s-'60s (and very unflattering they were, too!). Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World
Hi Sandee I dont think the Dec 1841 marriage you quote is the same David Wells as the one in the 1841 with wife Martha. In fact I dont think that the David Wells and Martha Stevens who were among the 8 people on that registration page actually married each other. The 1851 census has a Southill family, David Wells 34 b Stanford; Elizabeth Wells 33 b Campton; Fanny Wright dau 13 b Campton; Charles Wells 8; MaryAnn Wells 4; George Wells 1. One of the parties to the 4 marriages on that particular page of the register, other than Martha Stevens, is Elizabeth Wright. I think she was probably the one that married David Wells in 1841. On the same page was also William Odell in 1851 he is living in Shefford age 30 with a wife Martha 31 with an eldest child of 7. Whilst it would mean buying the marriage certificate to prove it one way or another I suspect Martha Stevens married William Odell. (of the other 4 names on the page a member submission on the IGI has Sarah Dilley! marrying John Smith, and the 1851 shows a William and MaryAnn Roberts in Old Warden). The IGI (controlled extract) has the christening of Martha Haynes at Campton (which included Shefford) on 16 Feb 1812, the daughter of Thomas and Sarah, which fits with her being the Martha who married David Wells, and who were probably the parents of at least George in the 1841 census. Theres a marriage on the IGI in the adjoining parish of Meppershall on 26 Dec 1835 between David Wells and Sarah Simmonds. I cannot see these in 1851 and the date would be right for Jamess birth, but I cannot find a burial of a Sarah in either Meppershall or Campton (although there is a Sarah Wells age 25 in neighbouring Clifton in 1839). This is something that the marriage entry in the parish register would put straight, but it doesnt resolve your family tradition of an Odell connection. The actual 1851 census entry for David reads born Herts Inksworth (Ancestry have indexed it as Inkiurrth !) which when spoken with a yokel accent I interpret as being Hinxworth. Ive had another look at the 1841 entry its possible that Georges age could be 4 months rather than 11, which would then fit with an entry on FreeBMD of the registration of birth of a George Wells in Biggleswade registration district in March 1841 vol 6 page 56. Ideally you need to obtain the birth cert for George, which can be done online, or alternatively to check for a baptism of George in 1841 and the earlier marriage of his parents, from the microfilm of Campton parish register which would be available from your nearest LDS Family History Centre, or by approaching BLARS http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/ Whether David Wells had an Odell connection in Herts remains to be seen, but I cannot see any Odell link with George Odell in Shefford. Good luck David Sandee <sandee@ionet.net> a écrit : Thank you sincerely for the info on David Wells and Martha ? I had come across this, and at first had them linked as parents of George, but then disconnected them as the eldest son, James was b ca 1836, and per 1841 Census George was b May1840, being 11months of age, this was prior to their marriage in 1841. Also, 1861 Census Lists Sarah HAYNES, Lodger, Widow, but in 1871 Census, Sarah is listed as mother of Martha, blind, dau Bertha is living with them. Martha could be a 2nd wife of David, haven't found any indication of a 1st wife as yet. Also, Sarah Haynes being mother of Martha doesnt fit with family knowledge, but then again, if Martha was 2nd wife, it very well could fit. WELLS, David Record Type: Marriages Quarter: December Year: 1841 District: Biggleswade County: Bedfordshire Volume: 6 Page: 99 STEVENS, Martha 1841 December Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire WELLS, David 1841 December Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire 1851 England Census: GSU 87678-87680, Registration Dist: Biggleswade, sub Registration District: Potton, Source Info H0107/1753, Folio 751, Pg 48, ED 15, Shefford, Bedfordshire, England, No of Schedule: 175 Wells, David, head, married, age 40, sawyer, b Herts, Southworth Martha, wife, married, age 39, sawyer, b Beds, Shefford James, son, unmarried, age 15, sawyer, b Beds, Shefford George, son, unmarried, age 10, scholar, b Beds, Shefford Samuel, son, unmarried, age 5, b Beds, Shefford Susannah, dau, unmarried, age 2, b Beds, Shefford NEXT DOOR TO THOMAS AND ELIZABETH ODELL and.... WELLS/ODELL MARRIAGES FOUND: NAMES ALL RIGHT, TIME FRAME OFF, ONLY CHILD IS MAUDE. Per LDS 1279180, Shefford, Bedfordshire, England VS Records: WELLS, David, age 29, wife: Isabella ODell, age 19, m 1Nov1884. (Davids age sb 19) Recorded in Shefford, Bedfordshire, England Husband's Father: James Wells. Wife's father: George ODell (mothers name Isabella per 1881 Census) 1891 England Census: Registration and sub registration district: Biggleswade, County of Bedfordshire, Civil Parish: Shefford, Town of Shefford, Rural Sanitary Dist: Biggleswade, Parliamentary Dist: North Beds, Ecclesiasiastical Parish: Shefford, RG12/1258, Folio 18, Pg 29, ED 16. Back Street No of Schedule: 192: 4 room house (next door with Joel Odell, Alfred Odell, Isabella Odell) David Wells, head, married, age 25, ag laborer, employed, b Beds, Shefford Isabella, wife, married, age 25, neither emp or unemployed, b Beds, Shefford Maud, dau, single, age 8, neither employed or unemployed, b Beds, Shefford 1901 England Census: Registration and sub registration district: Biggleswade, County of Bedfordshire, Civil Parish: Shefford, Town of Shefford, Rural Sanitary District: Biggleswade, Parliamentary Dist: North Beds, Ecclesiastical Parish: St Michaels No of Schedule: 62, 4 room house, on Back Lane David Wells, head, married, age 35, ag laborer, worker, b Shefford, Beds Isabella, wife, married, age 35, b Shefford, Beds Maude, dau, single, age 12, b Shefford, Beds then...This is DEFINITELY FAMILY. NOTE, HEPHZIBAH IS A STEVENS, which could be related to the above Martha. Odell, David 1877 June Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire View Record Stevens, Hephzibah 1877 June Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire (she d after 1901 census, he remarried, Patricia Martha?) 1881 England Census: RG11/1631 Registration district: Biggleswade Sub-registration district: Biggleswade, ED 16, Folio 115, Pg 36, Civil parish: Shefford County/Island: Bedfordshire, Town of Shefford, Household Schedule 32 O'Dell, David, head, male, married, age 29, railway laborer, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, Hepsibah, wife, female, married, age 31, Straw Plaiter, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, Ernest, son, age 3, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, David, son, age 6months, b Beds, Shefford If anyone has any information that could help untangle this, i would surely be most grateful! Thank you one and all Sandee sandee@ionet.net USA ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.
Gay O'Neill wrote: > Hi Lila, > I am sure you will get more information. > >> From Chris Reynolds site - Genealogy in Hertfordshire > > http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/occupations/occupations.htm#Straw%20Industry: > > He has this information > The Straw Hat industry was a very important home industry in the St > Albans and Luton area (which is why the Luton Football team is called > the Hatters). > > Straw was split along its length and plaited into long strips by women > and children at home and sold on to dealers, with others using the > plait to make straw hats. Very large numbers of people were involved > and the 1881 census for St Albans Abbey Parish includes some 500 > people who are clearly linked to the industry. Occupations mentioned > include Bleacher Of Straw Plait, Blocker, Bonnet Sewer, Brazilian Hat > Manufacturer, Clerk In Straw Factory, Commercial Traveller Straw Hats, > Felt And Straw Hat Manufacturer, Hat & Bonnet Sewer, Hat Blocker, Hat > Sewer, Hat Stiffener, Hat Trimmer, Plait Basket Maker, Plait Maker, > Plait Miller, Plait Sewer, Straw Basket Maker, Straw Finisher, Straw > Hat Blocker, Straw Hat Finisher, Straw Hat Machinist, Straw Hat Maker, > Straw Hat Manufacturer, Straw Hat Packer, Straw Hat Sewer, Straw Hat > Stiffener, Straw Hat Trimmer, Straw Plaiter, Straw Sewer, Straw Tailor. Thanks for that. It makes you realise what a big industry it was before the advent of synthetics. Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World
> > Lila Richards wrote: Re: [BDF] Hamlet of Ireland - a bit of a tangent - straw plaiters. Lila, Just a bit to add to the information you've already received. I have recently been talking about straw plaiters with a new family connection, as we've found we both have ancestors, in Buckinghamshire and Essex who were connected to this trade. Here are part of his letters: "Because of the shipping blockades during the Napoleonic Wars, the importation of straw plait for hats from Leghorn in Southern Italy and from China was stopped. The people of Buckinghamshire and Hertfordshire took advantage of the good quality straw that grew on the chalk downs and started plaiting for the Luton hatters.... I have visited the area in Buckinghamshire and Bedfordshire. The old plait schools still stand where small children did half a day plaiting and half a day learning. The one to pay for the other." Barbara > > David wrote: > > > In 1861 in Shefford there is RG9/998 folio 18 > > Martha Wells head widow 49 Straw plaiter > > George Wells son unmarr 20 Blacksmith > > Samuel Wells son 15 ag lab > > Susan Wells dau 12 straw plaiter > > Bertha Wells dau 9 straw plaiter > > Sarah Haynes lodger widow 73 straw plaiter > > All born Shefford > > > There seem to be a lot of straw plaiters in Bedfordshire - several of my female ancestors are recorded as such (even children). So I'm wondering what they would have been plaiting straw for. Would it have been hatmaking - one or two of mine are listed as hatmakers, and some of them had a hat factory in Luton at one stage (probably early 1900s). Does anyone know about straw plaiting? > > Cheers, > > Lila. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information
David wrote: > In 1861 in Shefford there is RG9/998 folio 18 > Martha Wells head widow 49 Straw plaiter > George Wells son unmarr 20 Blacksmith > Samuel Wells son 15 ag lab > Susan Wells dau 12 straw plaiter > Bertha Wells dau 9 straw plaiter > Sarah Haynes lodger widow 73 straw plaiter > All born Shefford > There seem to be a lot of straw plaiters in Bedfordshire - several of my female ancestors are recorded as such (even children). So I'm wondering what they would have been plaiting straw for. Would it have been hatmaking - one or two of mine are listed as hatmakers, and some of them had a hat factory in Luton at one stage (probably early 1900s). Does anyone know about straw plaiting? Cheers, Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World
>There seem to be a lot of straw plaiters in Bedfordshire - common in Berds, Bucks, parts of Herts, part of Essex. The ropes of woven plait were made up into straw bonnets (very fashiobnale at one stage), brimmed straw hats, even summer helmets for the police in Luton, the main assembly centre of the trade. The plaits were also used for baskets and 'hat box' style packaging, since there were no paper bags, or plastic carrier bags. After the hat trade succumbed to competition from Italy then China , Luton gradually turned over to other trades - and became the centre of the cardboard box and carton packaging industry. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society
Hi Lila It wasn't the advent of synthetics that killed off the straw plait industry, but rather the import of cheaper straw plait from the Far East beginning in c 1865. Some things never change! David Lila Richards <lilar@ihug.co.nz> a écrit : Gay O'Neill wrote: > Hi Lila, > I am sure you will get more information. > >> From Chris Reynolds site - Genealogy in Hertfordshire > > http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/occupations/occupations.htm#Straw%20Industry: > > He has this information > The Straw Hat industry was a very important home industry in the St > Albans and Luton area (which is why the Luton Football team is called > the Hatters). > > Straw was split along its length and plaited into long strips by women > and children at home and sold on to dealers, with others using the > plait to make straw hats. Very large numbers of people were involved > and the 1881 census for St Albans Abbey Parish includes some 500 > people who are clearly linked to the industry. Occupations mentioned > include Bleacher Of Straw Plait, Blocker, Bonnet Sewer, Brazilian Hat > Manufacturer, Clerk In Straw Factory, Commercial Traveller Straw Hats, > Felt And Straw Hat Manufacturer, Hat & Bonnet Sewer, Hat Blocker, Hat > Sewer, Hat Stiffener, Hat Trimmer, Plait Basket Maker, Plait Maker, > Plait Miller, Plait Sewer, Straw Basket Maker, Straw Finisher, Straw > Hat Blocker, Straw Hat Finisher, Straw Hat Machinist, Straw Hat Maker, > Straw Hat Manufacturer, Straw Hat Packer, Straw Hat Sewer, Straw Hat > Stiffener, Straw Hat Trimmer, Straw Plaiter, Straw Sewer, Straw Tailor. Thanks for that. It makes you realise what a big industry it was before the advent of synthetics. Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.
Hi Lila, I am sure you will get more information. From Chris Reynolds site - Genealogy in Hertfordshire http://www.hertfordshire-genealogy.co.uk/data/occupations/occupations.htm#Straw%20Industry: He has this information The Straw Hat industry was a very important home industry in the St Albans and Luton area (which is why the Luton Football team is called the Hatters). Straw was split along its length and plaited into long strips by women and children at home and sold on to dealers, with others using the plait to make straw hats. Very large numbers of people were involved and the 1881 census for St Albans Abbey Parish includes some 500 people who are clearly linked to the industry. Occupations mentioned include Bleacher Of Straw Plait, Blocker, Bonnet Sewer, Brazilian Hat Manufacturer, Clerk In Straw Factory, Commercial Traveller Straw Hats, Felt And Straw Hat Manufacturer, Hat & Bonnet Sewer, Hat Blocker, Hat Sewer, Hat Stiffener, Hat Trimmer, Plait Basket Maker, Plait Maker, Plait Miller, Plait Sewer, Straw Basket Maker, Straw Finisher, Straw Hat Blocker, Straw Hat Finisher, Straw Hat Machinist, Straw Hat Maker, Straw Hat Manufacturer, Straw Hat Packer, Straw Hat Sewer, Straw Hat Stiffener, Straw Hat Trimmer, Straw Plaiter, Straw Sewer, Straw Tailor. Regards Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lila Richards" <lilar@ihug.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Hamlet of Ireland - a bit of a tangent > David wrote: > >> In 1861 in Shefford there is RG9/998 folio 18 >> Martha Wells head widow 49 Straw plaiter >> George Wells son unmarr 20 Blacksmith >> Samuel Wells son 15 ag lab >> Susan Wells dau 12 straw plaiter >> Bertha Wells dau 9 straw plaiter >> Sarah Haynes lodger widow 73 straw plaiter >> All born Shefford >> > There seem to be a lot of straw plaiters in Bedfordshire - several of my > female ancestors are recorded as such (even children). So I'm wondering > what they would have been plaiting straw for. Would it have been > hatmaking - one or two of mine are listed as hatmakers, and some of them > had a hat factory in Luton at one stage (probably early 1900s). Does > anyone know about straw plaiting? > > Cheers, > > Lila. > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/217 - Release Date: 30/12/2005
Lila There is a website (probably several) about straw plaiting and its history but I can't think of the address. I went to google.co.uk and put in straw plaiting as, like you, I too have many plaiters, along with ag labs, in my family. It would seem it was most prominent around the Beds Herts part of England in the 18th to mid 19th century but died out as new styles of hat making came into being. Straw plaiting could sometimes bring in more money than the labouring, I suppose it would depend on how good you were. But do check it out as my memory can play tricks! Jane
Thank you sincerely for the info on David Wells and Martha ? I had come across this, and at first had them linked as parents of George, but then disconnected them as the eldest son, James was b ca 1836, and per 1841 Census George was b May1840, being 11months of age, this was prior to their marriage in 1841. Also, 1861 Census Lists Sarah HAYNES, Lodger, Widow, but in 1871 Census, Sarah is listed as mother of Martha, blind, dau Bertha is living with them. Martha could be a 2nd wife of David, haven't found any indication of a 1st wife as yet. Also, Sarah Haynes being mother of Martha doesnt fit with family knowledge, but then again, if Martha was 2nd wife, it very well could fit. WELLS, David Record Type: Marriages Quarter: December Year: 1841 District: Biggleswade County: Bedfordshire Volume: 6 Page: 99 STEVENS, Martha 1841 December Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire WELLS, David 1841 December Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire 1851 England Census: GSU 87678-87680, Registration Dist: Biggleswade, sub Registration District: Potton, Source Info H0107/1753, Folio 751, Pg 48, ED 15, Shefford, Bedfordshire, England, No of Schedule: 175 Wells, David, head, married, age 40, sawyer, b Herts, Southworth Martha, wife, married, age 39, sawyer, b Beds, Shefford James, son, unmarried, age 15, sawyer, b Beds, Shefford George, son, unmarried, age 10, scholar, b Beds, Shefford Samuel, son, unmarried, age 5, b Beds, Shefford Susannah, dau, unmarried, age 2, b Beds, Shefford NEXT DOOR TO THOMAS AND ELIZABETH ODELL and.... WELLS/ODELL MARRIAGES FOUND: NAMES ALL RIGHT, TIME FRAME OFF, ONLY CHILD IS MAUDE. Per LDS 1279180, Shefford, Bedfordshire, England VS Records: WELLS, David, age 29, wife: Isabella ODell, age 19, m 1Nov1884. (Davids age sb 19) Recorded in Shefford, Bedfordshire, England Husband's Father: James Wells. Wife's father: George ODell (mothers name Isabella per 1881 Census) 1891 England Census: Registration and sub registration district: Biggleswade, County of Bedfordshire, Civil Parish: Shefford, Town of Shefford, Rural Sanitary Dist: Biggleswade, Parliamentary Dist: North Beds, Ecclesiasiastical Parish: Shefford, RG12/1258, Folio 18, Pg 29, ED 16. Back Street No of Schedule: 192: 4 room house (next door with Joel Odell, Alfred Odell, Isabella Odell) David Wells, head, married, age 25, ag laborer, employed, b Beds, Shefford Isabella, wife, married, age 25, neither emp or unemployed, b Beds, Shefford Maud, dau, single, age 8, neither employed or unemployed, b Beds, Shefford 1901 England Census: Registration and sub registration district: Biggleswade, County of Bedfordshire, Civil Parish: Shefford, Town of Shefford, Rural Sanitary District: Biggleswade, Parliamentary Dist: North Beds, Ecclesiastical Parish: St Michaels No of Schedule: 62, 4 room house, on Back Lane David Wells, head, married, age 35, ag laborer, worker, b Shefford, Beds Isabella, wife, married, age 35, b Shefford, Beds Maude, dau, single, age 12, b Shefford, Beds then...This is DEFINITELY FAMILY. NOTE, HEPHZIBAH IS A STEVENS, which could be related to the above Martha. Odell, David 1877 June Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire View Record Stevens, Hephzibah 1877 June Marriages Biggleswade Bedfordshire (she d after 1901 census, he remarried, Patricia Martha?) 1881 England Census: RG11/1631 Registration district: Biggleswade Sub-registration district: Biggleswade, ED 16, Folio 115, Pg 36, Civil parish: Shefford County/Island: Bedfordshire, Town of Shefford, Household Schedule 32 O'Dell, David, head, male, married, age 29, railway laborer, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, Hepsibah, wife, female, married, age 31, Straw Plaiter, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, Ernest, son, age 3, b Beds, Shefford O'Dell, David, son, age 6months, b Beds, Shefford If anyone has any information that could help untangle this, i would surely be most grateful! Thank you one and all Sandee sandee@ionet.net USA
Hi Sandee In 1861 in Shefford there is RG9/998 folio 18 Martha Wells head widow 49 Straw plaiter George Wells son unmarr 20 Blacksmith Samuel Wells son 15 ag lab Susan Wells dau 12 straw plaiter Bertha Wells dau 9 straw plaiter Sarah Haynes lodger widow 73 straw plaiter All born Shefford In 1851 same family HO107/1753 folio 751 David Wells head marr 40 sawyer born Herts Inksworth (Hinxworth??) Martha Wells wife 39 b Shefford James Wells son 15 b Shefford George Wells son 10 b Shefford Samuel Wells son 5 scholar b Shefford Susannah Wells dau 2 b Shefford Living next door in both these censuses was Thomas Odell (born Shefford 1804/5) and family, which may mean nothing at all! In 1841 HO107/003-03 folio 20B Back Lane Shefford (no Odells nearby) David Wells 30 sawyer Not born in county Martha Wells 29 Born in county James Wells 5 Born in county George Wells 11 mths Born in county Shefford came within the parish of Campton at that time, and Campton parish register is only on the IGI up to 1812, which is probably why youve not been able to find them. However you ideally need George and Emmas marriage certificate which would give fathers names and occupations. Regards David Sandee <sandee@ionet.net> a écrit :I thank every one of you that generously provided information on the Hamlet of Ireland and also gave suggestions to many websites to investigate. I do have ancestry.com.uk, and have found quite a bit of info in census records. I have also spent many an hour peering thru IGI records. unfortunately, the IGI only go so far, and most often does not give the linking information to make positive connections. The names i am searching are very common names, and of course, they followed the english naming custom of repeating names over and over again throughout the generations. I have George Wells, son of ?, but per family, his mother was an ODell, and i do have a photo of her at 80 years of age, taken at Blake and Edwards in Bedford. George was b ca 1841 in Shefford, Beds (per 1871 census), blacksmith, living in Sandy, Beds. in 1861 census, he was in Biggleswade, a blacksmith. 1881 census finds him in Barrow in Furness, 1891 census finds him in Hackney, London with 2nd wife, Sarah. George m 1st Emma Hilliard, b JunQ1843, Shefford, Beds, dau of George Hilliard b ca 1820 Southill, Beds and Emma (Wilson) b ca 1822 Southill, Beds. Per 1851 census, he was a Hurdlemaker in Shefford Hardwick. 1881 and 1891 census finds Emma (Wilson) widow, residing in Barrow in Furness, and she d MarQ1901. I have not been able to find if wife Emma died in Sandy, Barrow, or in Hackney, she d bet 1881 and 1891 census. George Wells and Emma (Hilliard) were my gggrandparents, thru their son James...that moved to Ramsgate, Kent. I'm trying to find parents of George, ? and ? Odell. also, any siblings. and just to make it more interesting, it is known that David Odell b ca 1852 Shefford, Beds (son of George Odell and ?) m Hephzibah Stevens b ca 1850 Shefford, Beds. They had 6 known children, the youngest being Joseph William David Odell b 6Jun1908 in the Hamlet of Ireland, that married Margaret May Wells, dau of the above James. They resided Old Warden. It is known that they were 2nd or 3rd cousins, through the Odell line. If anyone has any information, i would be forever indebted! Thank you one and all Sandee sandee@ionet.net ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter Bedford in the box --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.
Hi Stella Wishing you and everyone a Happy New Year too. Hoping you all find peace, harmony and good health and great luck in finding those elusive ancestors. Happy hunting in 2006. Diane >From: Stella Stanger <sstanger@sfu.ca> >Reply-To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com >To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [BDF] HAPPY NEW YEAR 2006 >Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2006 01:27:38 -0800 > >Wishing Everyone a Very Happy New Year 2006. May the New Year Bring >Health,Happiness and much success in all that you do. May all good wishes >come true. >Cheers, Stella > > >==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >Enter Bedford in the box >
Hi List, I am interested in anyone who has links with Joseph BARNETT (b. 1795 Everton, Hunts.) & Charlotte JAKINS (b. 1800 Potton, Beds.) and their children who were all born in Great Barford. Regards, Brian
Likewise to you all from me Jane (Looking for Edith Salmon 1780s and any Leefarr's)
I thank every one of you that generously provided information on the Hamlet of Ireland and also gave suggestions to many websites to investigate. I do have ancestry.com.uk, and have found quite a bit of info in census records. I have also spent many an hour peering thru IGI records. unfortunately, the IGI only go so far, and most often does not give the linking information to make positive connections. The names i am searching are very common names, and of course, they followed the english naming custom of repeating names over and over again throughout the generations. I have George Wells, son of ?, but per family, his mother was an ODell, and i do have a photo of her at 80 years of age, taken at Blake and Edwards in Bedford. George was b ca 1841 in Shefford, Beds (per 1871 census), blacksmith, living in Sandy, Beds. in 1861 census, he was in Biggleswade, a blacksmith. 1881 census finds him in Barrow in Furness, 1891 census finds him in Hackney, London with 2nd wife, Sarah. George m 1st Emma Hilliard, b JunQ1843, Shefford, Beds, dau of George Hilliard b ca 1820 Southill, Beds and Emma (Wilson) b ca 1822 Southill, Beds. Per 1851 census, he was a Hurdlemaker in Shefford Hardwick. 1881 and 1891 census finds Emma (Wilson) widow, residing in Barrow in Furness, and she d MarQ1901. I have not been able to find if wife Emma died in Sandy, Barrow, or in Hackney, she d bet 1881 and 1891 census. George Wells and Emma (Hilliard) were my gggrandparents, thru their son James...that moved to Ramsgate, Kent. I'm trying to find parents of George, ? and ? Odell. also, any siblings. and just to make it more interesting, it is known that David Odell b ca 1852 Shefford, Beds (son of George Odell and ?) m Hephzibah Stevens b ca 1850 Shefford, Beds. They had 6 known children, the youngest being Joseph William David Odell b 6Jun1908 in the Hamlet of Ireland, that married Margaret May Wells, dau of the above James. They resided Old Warden. It is known that they were 2nd or 3rd cousins, through the Odell line. If anyone has any information, i would be forever indebted! Thank you one and all Sandee sandee@ionet.net
Wishing Everyone a Very Happy New Year 2006. May the New Year Bring Health,Happiness and much success in all that you do. May all good wishes come true. Cheers, Stella
Kia Ora Stella You are so generous - thank you. Have you anything on Newton Bromswold, Irthlingborough & Irchester Northants? All the very best for New Year - just starting Down Under! Regards Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stella Watkin" <stella.watkin@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: [BDF] Beds Bucks Herts Northants Villages lookup offer > Hi folks > > It's the time of year that I make my annual offer: > > I've managed to borrow some books which have details of the villages of > Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire & Northamptonshire. > > If you would like info on your village, please send an email to: > > stella.watkin@ntlworld.com > > and I'll see what I can do. > > Cheerio Stella > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information > that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would > only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. >
I have been searching in Irchester, Irthlingboro, and Newton Bromswold. Regards Nina -----Original Message----- From: Marlene Shipman [mailto:marlene.s@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 10:21 PM To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Bucks Herts Northants Villages lookup offer Kia Ora Stella You are so generous - thank you. Have you anything on Newton Bromswold, Irthlingborough & Irchester Northants? All the very best for New Year - just starting Down Under! Regards Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stella Watkin" <stella.watkin@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2005 12:32 PM Subject: [BDF] Beds Bucks Herts Northants Villages lookup offer > Hi folks > > It's the time of year that I make my annual offer: > > I've managed to borrow some books which have details of the villages of > Buckinghamshire, Bedfordshire, Hertfordshire & Northamptonshire. > > If you would like info on your village, please send an email to: > > stella.watkin@ntlworld.com > > and I'll see what I can do. > > Cheerio Stella > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information > that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would > only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com