On 8 Jan 2006 at 11:02, Keith NZ wrote: <snip> > Potton, Bedfordforshire,is near to Sandy, Northill, Thorncote, Biggleswade. I am fascinated as to why why you mentioned Thorncote (Green) , it is the smallest hamlet one could ever imagine - it is in the parish of Northill which I would not say was particularly near Potton. Gamlingay is closer, just across the boarder into Cambridgeshire. Don't forget the parishes of Sutton and Wrestlingworth, much closer to Potton. Regards, -- Mike Strange www.biggleswadehistory.org.uk: Bigglewade History Society - Hon Archivist & Webmaster www.yourtotalevent.com: STRANGE one-name study - Microfiche readers for sale - HMS Galatea Memorial

Dear Lists, This year I am going to find some of my families ancestors. Searching for: Rowney in Harrold and Sharnbrook, Beds. Hooker in Milton Ernest, Bedford and Turvey, Beds. Rubython in Cold Brayfield, Olney, Lavendon? Bucks and Turvey Beds. Anyone with connections to these names please let me know also Hooker appears to have moved from Brenchley, Kent to Milton Ernest. Best regards and Happy New Year to everyone. Tricia Backhouse, Bracebridge, Ontario. Canada. putkin@surenet.net

Listers, Would SKS with access to 1841 Census kindly confirm details of the following family. I am looking for an address and which of the children survived infancy & were still living at home. I am also looking for the birthplace of William (Snr) William Adams Aged 52, Widower William 24, Thomas 21, Ann 18, Hannah 17, George 16, Lucy 15, James 14. Many thanks Peter

HO107/006-22 folio 11B Floaters Hall, Maulden William Addams 45 Ag lab Sarah Addams 50 Thomas Addams 20 Ag (deleted) Hannah Addams 18 Lacemaker Lucy Addams 14 Plaiter Emma Upton 14 Plaiter Samuel Upton 6 All born in county Also Hall End Maulden Ann Adams 19 Female servant Born in county in household of Thomas Hillyard 40 and Elizabeth Hillyard 30 + 4 children William appears to have remarried - there's a marriage on the IGI (controlled extract) on 1 July 1838 at Maulden between William Adams and Sarah Upton. Regards David Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> a écrit : Listers, Would SKS with access to 1841 Census kindly confirm details of the following family. I am looking for an address and which of the children survived infancy & were still living at home. I am also looking for the birthplace of William (Snr) William Adams Aged 52, Widower William 24, Thomas 21, Ann 18, Hannah 17, George 16, Lucy 15, James 14. Many thanks Peter ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Eve McLaughlin wrote: >They bleached the straw - and there were machines with a ring of holes > >with sharp cutters on which split the straw lengthways, into very narrow splines. I imagine there is an illustraion on the net somewhere. Try Luton Museum to see if they have such a page. > > Thanks, I will. It's kind of cool to think my ancestors were engaged in an important industry back then. :-) Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World

The 2nd edition of the NBI covers Potton, Bedfordshire from 1602 to 1851. It has 5 FULLER, 4 FOWLER and 12 HEADING burials Ian Fisk http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fiski > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith NZ [mailto:genmail@ihug.co.nz] > Sent: Friday, 6 January 2006 9:41 a.m. > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] Potton - BDF > > Do any burial indexes exist for Potton, Bedfordshire ? > > Surnames of interest, currently, are FULLER and HEADING in the 1800s. > > Thanks > > Keith Wellington, NZ > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk

Keith I have the National Burial Index but it does not list Potton if you can tell me a place near by maybe I can help Ivan and Irene Living in Mondron Spain

Do any burial indexes exist for Potton, Bedfordshire ? Surnames of interest, currently, are FULLER and HEADING in the 1800s. Thanks Keith Wellington, NZ

Hi everyone, I wonder if anyone could tell me whether there might be an Electoral Register for Flitwick circa 1912 ? My reason for asking is that my mother's birth certificate (1912) shows her place of birth as Windmill Road, Flitwick but does not give a house number. Many thanks, David

Eve McLaughlin wrote: >chunky, according to intended purpose, but if you look at a panama, you will see the delicate lines of plait. > > > > But panamas ARE made with plaited straw - plaits could be fine or Yes, of course - I was thinking of the fineness and the white colour that panama hats very often are. I didn't realise that ordinary old straw could be plaited that fine. Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World

No Headings, and no Fullers, up to 1851, but 3 Fowlers, all Robert. 21 Sep 1801 age 15; 17 Mar 1803 age 42; and 5 Sept 1811 infant. Taken from the NBI, which can be searched at https://www.familyhistoryonline.net Regards David Keith NZ <genmail@ihug.co.nz> a écrit : Do any burial indexes exist for Potton, Bedfordshire ? Surnames of interest, currently, are FULLER and HEADING in the 1800s. Thanks Keith Wellington, NZ ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Hi list Does anyone have access to the Ampthill Poor Law Union records during the time period 1835 to 1850. I am especially interested in information regarding emigration assistance. If possible, I would sincerely appreciate look-ups for the surnames of LANE and WHITE from Cranfield Parish. Thank you J.K. Stading

On Saturday, Jan 14, Julian Hunt is talking about his latest topic of research, the numerous interesting families who have lived in the fine building known as Castle House, Buckingham, including bankers, solicitors, gentlemen of all kinds and characters. KINGS OF THE CASTLE HOUSE is at 3pm at the Hartwell Day Centre, Thame Rd South, Aylesbury (off the A418 at the first major roundabout west of town.) Doors open at 2pm for an hour's research, with expert advice on general and computer problems, the bookstall, the BGS library for members etc. NB For FUTURE REFERENCE Please note, this January meeting will be the last one held at Hartwell, which after a change of council policy is not longer available for hiring. We are moving (on a temporary basis) to the Walton Court Community Centre, Hannon Rd (just down Ellen Rd from the same roundabout) from February onwards. The February Meeting will be on Identifying old Photographs, and you are welcome to bring yours. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <43BCEA93.5060008@ihug.co.nz>, Lila Richards <lilar@ihug.co.nz> writes >Eve McLaughlin wrote: > >>chunky, according to intended purpose, but if you look at a panama, you will >see the delicate lines of plait. >> >> >> >> But panamas ARE made with plaited straw - plaits could be fine or > >Yes, of course - I was thinking of the fineness and the white colour that panama >hats very often are. I didn't realise that ordinary old straw could be plaited >that fine. They bleached the straw - and there were machines with a ring of holes with sharp cutters on which split the straw lengthways, into very narrow splines. I imagine there is an illustraion on the net somewhere. Try Luton Museum to see if they have such a page. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Heather Questions which must be asked (and hopefully answered ) would help people to search for search for you are: 1. Have you got the birth certificate? That will help to ensure you have the right person, give the names of her parents and an address. 2. Have you checked under Alice? 3. Have you checked under the names of any siblings? 4. Have you checked using the Christian name only, with dob & location? 5. Have you checked whether she married- in 1871 she would have been 20. In 1881 she should have been 30 . Some other info might help you to narrow down her movements eg was she a witness at a sibling's marriage? An informant at the death of a parent? 6. Where was her brother in 1871? If you have the names, DoBs, locations of any other family members it greatly assists others to help you. Cheers Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: <hgsmith@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 11:56 AM Subject: [BDF] Randall >I am searching for an Elizabeth Alice Randall born in Pimlico London in >1851. The 1861 census for that area is missing and she and family are not >on the 1871 census although her brother marries around 1874 and has >children in that area from 1876 . > > I have found on the 1881 census for 33 West Street, Dunstable, Bedford an > Elizabeth Randall as a Lodger unmarried 33 years old and born in London > Pimlico. It seems too much of a coincidence to me! I feel she must be > the same person? Her occupation was a Hat Finisher.. > > I have since looked for a marriage, death and 1891 census but have found > nothing more! > > Is there any way of finding out in Bedford area where else she might have > worked or maybe electoral rolls, if the latter when would they have been > done and where would I look for them? > > I do hope someone has some bright ideas as I do not want to give up on > this one!! > > Heather Smith > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information > that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would > only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. >

>> >Thanks (and to the others who've given me information). I'm pretty sure my >mother told me her relations had a hat factory in Luton (she was born in 1905 in >London) that made panama hats. I doubt if these would have been made with the >plaited straw, so perhaps they had 'moved with the times' But panamas ARE made with plaited straw - plaits could be fine or chunky, according to intended purpose, but if you look at a panama, you will see the delicate lines of plait. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <20060102130812.MDIK1068.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@smtp.nt lworld.com>, ellescott77@ntlworld.com writes > >> >> Lila Richards wrote: Re: [BDF] Hamlet of Ireland - a bit of a tangent - straw >plaiters. >Lila, >Just a bit to add to the information you've already received. I have recently >been talking about straw plaiters with a new family connection, as we've found >we both have ancestors, in Buckinghamshire and Essex who were connected to this >trade. Here are part of his letters: "Because of the shipping blockades during >the Napoleonic Wars, the importation of straw plait for hats from Leghorn in >Southern Italy and from China was stopped. The people of Buckinghamshire and >Hertfordshire took advantage of the good quality straw that grew on the chalk >downs and started plaiting for the Luton hatters.... That is nonsense. There was a thriving plait industry in Bucks, Beds & Herts long before the Napoleonic Wars, and then not so Luton centred as it later became.. As for imports of straw hats from China being stopped by the clockade - really!!! He has got totally confused by different things he has read and welded them together quite haphazardly. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

As a new subscriber to this list I am submitting my Bedford Interests of FELTS and POWELL Other county interests are ABLITT - COOK - ENNALS - FINBOW - PAGE - In Suffolk. SMITH - TRACEY - In Essex Heather

Heather, what other names of her family members do you? Where her family from the Bedford area originally and is this why you are asking on the Bedfordshire list. Do you have any brothers or sisters names. All this help when searching Ancestry.com as often names are mispelt, ages given wrongly, different places of birth given for every census taken for a particular person. Have been having a hunt about but need that extra information if it is available Warm regards Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: <hgsmith@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 6:56 AM Subject: [BDF] Randall >I am searching for an Elizabeth Alice Randall born in Pimlico London in >1851. The 1861 census for that area is missing and she and family are not >on the 1871 census although her brother marries around 1874 and has >children in that area from 1876 . > > I have found on the 1881 census for 33 West Street, Dunstable, Bedford an > Elizabeth Randall as a Lodger unmarried 33 years old and born in London > Pimlico. It seems too much of a coincidence to me! I feel she must be > the same person? Her occupation was a Hat Finisher.. > > I have since looked for a marriage, death and 1891 census but have found > nothing more! > > Is there any way of finding out in Bedford area where else she might have > worked or maybe electoral rolls, if the latter when would they have been > done and where would I look for them? > > I do hope someone has some bright ideas as I do not want to give up on > this one!! > > Heather Smith > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information > that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would > only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 2/01/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.11/219 - Release Date: 2/01/2006

Thanks again David, you have no idea how grateful i am for the effort you have put toward this querry. I have spent a few years trying to unravel this clan. i know the links are in here somewhere, just would like to be able to 'connect a few dots'! Another reason i dont believe David Wells and Martha Stevens is correct is that George Wells and Emma Hilliard did NOT name any of their children with any combination of names David or Martha......they are: Jonah Henry Wells b ca 1862 Shefford, Susannah Wells b ca 1864 Shefford, William Wells b ca 1867 Sandy, Anna Emma b ca 1870 Sandy, James Wells b ca 1870 Sandy, but his 1901 Census states b Barrow in Furman! (believe anna and james are twins), Emma Wells christened 13Jun1872 Sandy, (believe Anna Emma and Emma are one in the same, but did not find Twin James Christened, nor is he listed with the family in the 1871 census, but is listed 1891) John Wells b ca 1875 Darleston...there is a Darleston in Staffordshire), Sidney Wells b JunQ1877 Biggleswade, Nellie Wells b ca 1879 Biggleswade, and Harry Wells b SepQ1880 Barrow in Furness. son James was my great grandfather, he m Susan Hickey DecQ 1896 in Kent, District of Thanet. Emma (Hilliard) Wells d between 1881 and 1891 census. most probably in Barrow in Furness, as her youngest son Harry was b in Barrow 1880. Haven't been able to nail that down for sure as yet, none of the ages for any Emma Wells in the BMD come even close enough to consider. 1891 Census finds George married to Sarah, living in Hackney, County of London with 4 of his children: John, age 16, b Beds, Okes (not darleston as above), Sidney age 14 b Biggleswade, Nelly age 12 b Biggleswade, and Harry age 12 b Barrow in Furness. Martha (Stevens) Wells, widow, 1881 and 1891 census show her grandson William Henry Wells living with her, he b ca 1874. David Wells and Elizabeth.....the ages of their children do not match up. their son james b ca 1856, my James b ca 1870. being in the USA, not easy to order a marriage or birth cert from the UK, will order the microfilm from the LDS center and see what i can find. As of 1Jan2006, they have raised the prices, it is now $5.50USD per film! up from 3.25USD. quite a jump. thanks again for all you have done, it is very much appreciated sandee