Hi, Today, after many years I have finally found one of the 'missing' links. However it has posed more questions than it has answered and I am hoping someone on the list may have the answer - maybe Eve - I can live in hope. Please excuse the length of tale but it tells the story All the information listed below comes from Rootsweb, Ancestry, birth or death certificate, workhouse records,so most can be backed by 'official' documents. The only guesswork bits, family stories, are a couple of the dates around 1930 and Ella ending up institutionalised. First the details, then the problem Susan Annie Jane Garrett born Lidlington March 1900 Alfred Joseph Craft born Bedford Sept 1/4 1901 Ella May Gentel born Bedford March 1/4 1905 Susan Annie Jane Garrett married Claude Charles Underwood on 27 November 1920 in Luton (never divorced). My grandparents Susan and Claude had 5 boys Alfred Joseph Craft married Ella May Gentel Bedford Dec 1/4 1828 Alfred and Ella had a son Harry born Biggleswade June 1/4 1930 Story goes that for some reason Ella ended up in a mental hospital when her son/because her son was taken away Susan and the boys were in the Bedford workhouse in 1930 for a while 1930/1931 Susan and Claude split, he apparently goes to London with new 'wife', he is killed in 1939. 1931ish Susan moves in with Alfred and changes name to Craft, they have 4 daughters and Harry is raised with this family. He joins the RAF 7.7.1948 and serves in Singapore. After Susan moves in her 3 youngest kids are 'moved out'. The baby to its grandparents and the other two (age 3 and 5) are taken to Dr Barnardo's and handed over as unwanted, one is shipped to Australia, the other was supposed to go to Canada but was sick the day the boat left. One assumes Ella May is still institutionalised. Now we jump to 1968. Susan, still with Alfred, dies in Bedford General Hospital - age 68. I have had her death certificate for several years now, but could never figure out, nor could dad (one of the Barnardo Boys) why she was known by a whole new christian name. Death certificate says Susan Annie Craft other wise Ella May Craft - here in lies the problem. If Ella May Craft (nee Gentle) was Alfred's first wife, and Susan Annie his second, why are both names on the same death certificate. I am still trying to find Ella's death. The informatant was Alfred Craft who was a Fitters Mate at the Air Ministry, which I assume was Cardington RAF Base near Bedford. So one assumes as he was still working he wasn't senile so knew who he was married to. Also, can anyone tell me what institution Ella May may have been put in and would records exist please? Were the Bedfordshire Gentle's connected to the Nottingham Gentle's does anyone know please? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Have a good day. Sue in Australia

Just wondering if anyone is interested in the BOND or PRATT families of Harrold. My ancestor James BOND married Martha PRATT in 1800 in Harrold. Martha was baptised 25 Jul 1779 in Harrold, the child of Robert PRATT and Martha DENTON. I haven't been able to find the baptism of James BOND - he is referred to as "of Wollaston" in their marriage, but I can't find him in Wollaston (Northants) either. Does anyone have the 1841 census for Harrold that could check those surnames for me? I live in Sydney, Australia and would love to obtain some info or pictures about the old village of Harrold. I've tried the obvious google searches but I wonder if anyone has any other resources they can point me to. Incidentally, imagine doing a google search for James BOND - to make matters worse, one of his sons was Felix (b Harrold 24 Jan 1808). Thanks in advance for any assistance From Kerry

>car/motor bike accident and died at Hendon where he is buried. > >Althea paid for his funeral and a double grave. In 1941 when his will >(approximately £120) was administrated, Althea did not claim in and it went into >Government coffers, and they won't give it back, I tried. If Althea was not married to Claude, then she had, strictly, no legal claim on the estate, which is why she didn't claim. Only his legal wife (your nan) could have claimed, and maybe she didn't fancy the undoubted legal hassle in doing it. Uncliamed, it was forfeit as if he had died leaving no legal heirs. After a lapse of years, the money is, to all intents and purposes, gone, since it would cost huge amounts to even try to get it. Far more than the £120. > Nor was Althea buried >in the double plot. It remains empty. > >Claude was my grandfather and in the late 1920s/early 1930s (in Luton/Bedford) >he used to drive a truck up and down outside his house with a redhead as >passenger, just to stir up nan. Rotten old devil. >An even longer shot - say about 1,000,000 to one is that her surname could have >been Gentel. Do any births registered to Underwood have 'Gentle etc' as surname of mother? This detail is entered from 1912. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <010a01c61e43$3a895a40$6500a8c0@mercury1>, Sue Given <suegiven@vti.com.au> writes >Hi, > >Today, after many years I have finally found one of the 'missing' links. >However it has posed more questions than it has answered and I am hoping someone >on the list may have the answer - maybe Eve - I can live in hope. > >Please excuse the length of tale but it tells the story > >All the information listed below comes from Rootsweb, Ancestry, birth or death >certificate, workhouse records,so most can be backed by 'official' documents. >The only guesswork bits, family stories, are a couple of the dates around 1930 >and Ella ending up institutionalised. > >First the details, then the problem > >Susan Annie Jane Garrett born Lidlington March 1900 >Alfred Joseph Craft born Bedford Sept 1/4 1901 >Ella May Gentel born Bedford March 1/4 1905 > >Susan Annie Jane Garrett married Claude Charles Underwood on 27 November 1920 in >Luton (never divorced). My grandparents >Susan and Claude had 5 boys > >Alfred Joseph Craft married Ella May Gentel Bedford Dec 1/4 1828 >Alfred and Ella had a son Harry born Biggleswade June 1/4 1930 >Story goes that for some reason Ella ended up in a mental hospital when her >son/because her son was taken away could be something like post natal depression (maybe with some danger to the baby). They tended to punish it rather than treat it, and if she was 'put away' the child could well be transferred to the care of other relatives or foster parents > >Susan and the boys were in the Bedford workhouse in 1930 for a while > >1930/1931 Susan and Claude split, he apparently goes to London with new 'wife', >he is killed in 1939. > >1931ish Susan moves in with Alfred and changes name to Craft, A regular pattern of split and regrouping. Divorce was difficult - apart from the expense, it was a matter of finding the absconder to serve papers on him, proving the adultery - and being totally in the clear herself at the time. > they have 4 >daughters and Harry is raised with this family. He joins the RAF 7.7.1948 and >serves in Singapore. After Susan moves in her 3 youngest kids are 'moved out'. >The baby to its grandparents and the other two (age 3 and 5) are taken to Dr >Barnardo's and handed over as unwanted, one is shipped to Australia, the other >was supposed to go to Canada but was sick the day the boat left. Local authorities may have moved in to rescue 'children at risk', but maybe Alfred agreed to take on some of the responsibilities, not all. However, once children were in the workhouse, and were over four, the tie to the mother would be loosened and the Guardians would do what they thought was best for the children, whatever their mother thought or preferred. A new life in a new country was deemed to be the Best Thing for boys in this position, and there were schemes, some good, some bad, for arranging this. Barnardo's itself usually followed up and checked on the welfare of their children, as much as they were alloed to. Other charities did not - out of sight, out of mind. > >One assumes Ella May is still institutionalised. > >Now we jump to 1968. > >Susan, still with Alfred, dies in Bedford General Hospital - age 68. I have had >her death certificate for several years now, but could never figure out, nor >could dad (one of the Barnardo Boys) why she was known by a whole new christian >name. > >Death certificate says Susan Annie Craft other wise Ella May Craft - here in >lies the problem. Probably at some stage, she had been asked to produce her marriage certificate, and rather than admit to the nosey parkers that she had not got one, she produced the one for Alfred's legal marriage, saying she just had a fancy to change her name, as people did. Once the officials had the certificate, she was stuck with it. People (old ones especially) went to a lot of trouble to avoid having the neighbours and public officials know 'their private business'. Admitting to a snotty nosed young madam in Social services that she was not married would have been too much to stand, so she didn't. Just possibly, Social Services concerned would have a note of some investigations - but they are only supposed to keep papers for 50 years, and don't like digging in the dusty attics for the old ones anyway. > >I >Also, can anyone tell me what institution Ella May may have been put in and >would records exist please? By that date, a geriatric hospital (the Old Workhouse with new paintwork.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

> >The ancestor in question is John Newton. I know he died in VA in 1697. >Most Newton researchers say he was from Hull, Yorkshire, England. This is >because in his will he leaves a house/land belong to his father, Thomas, >("John & his heirs & assigns forever, what land I have at Charton >&Camilsforth in Yorkshire and that house in Hull which was my Fathers"). This seems the best piece of evidence that your particular John Newton was from a family in Hull, Yorks, which owned property, and this should make the task of research very much easier. >Several months ago I was reading a old Virgina history magazine article on >William Fitzhugh, also from Bedforshire, and it said that his friend, John >Newton served on the Council in Bedford in 1648. It is a very common combination of names, so this is probably an entirely different John Newton. (Unless this is Bedford Mass, of course, which is not relevant to Bedford, England.) >John Newton was married four times and >had children by each wife. No names of wives are known except the last one >who was in VA. SO I am interested in finding out wives/children and did my >John Newton actually live here ...well, just anything at all. If there are two John Newtons around in the same place, then you may need to share the wives between them! > >Most researchers of this line try and tie John Newton and his father Thomas >into the Newton line from Barr's Court near Bristol but there is a gap of at >least two generations. This is rash - it is a VERY common name, and there is no reason to try to force a link between such disparate mentions of men called John Newton. > I would love to find if this Newton line actually >lived in Bedfordshire for some time or it John just passed through for a few >years. It is highly unlikely that a man from Bristol would settle long enough in Bedford to become a burgess (a necessary prerequisite to serving on the council of a corporate town.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <1da.4afd2339.30f8117d@aol.com>, Carolgriff@aol.com writes >Hi >I watched who do you think you are on tv last night and was amazed at the >way a family moved up north. > >Basically if you were poor then a company would "recruit" you and your >family, send you to london then on a barge to eg a cotton mill in lancs. Often >the >younger children would be left behind as they were too young to work in the >mills and so the mill owners wouldnt recruit the family. > >The programme was about Suffolk but I wondered if this would have happened >in Beds as my family moved from Beds The organised migrations to the mills were a feature of life in the impoverished rural counties. The bottom dropped out of agriculture, what with the effects of enclosure, since the new cultivation system needed fewer labourers, and the 10 years' bad harvests of the Hungry Forties. There was a simple choice - stay and starve or move to a job waiting for you, incredibly well paid. At first, much of the work was in smallish mills, but being inside all day, working 12-14 hours was a great culture shock to people used to the fresh air (and cold and wet, not idyllic). The mills were crying out for workers, (females preferred, but some men for the heavy stuff)and the early schemes were well policed, both by the Poor Law Commissioners and in Beds, by individual clergymen, who visited their distant flock and checked on their conditions. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

In message <004701c61d7f$df56fd30$6501a8c0@Lois>, Owen <oclarke4@comcast.net> writes >Good Morning >Please tell me how to get on to these Free web sites. I went to Ancestry.com >and they wanted $69.00 for membership. >I was looking for info on my father and his dad. FreeBMD.org.uk is the only free one, which will give you the necessary reference details to order a birth certificate etc. However, Stanley's birth certificate will give you no more than the information you have already, and if his father was Irish born, he will not appear in the normal GRO indexes. Indeed, he will probably not have a birth certificate at all, since Irish registration did not start until 1864. . >Stanley Bernard Clarke, born 22nd July 1885 at Rose Cottage, Kirby Street, >Bromley. I always thought it was Poplar. His father Henry Clarke, a ship >builder, came from Cork, Ireland, and married Jemmima Freebourne. Not sure >but I think there were four boys and one girl. What you should do is look for the census entry for the family - you can probably find Henry in 1881, with a wife named Jemima, and note any children then living (use the (free) 1881 census search at Familysearch) Then search London 1891 for the family including Stanley, and also 1901, to see who is left at home then. The 1901 INDEX is free, but you have to pay if you want to view images. I gather there is a brief free run on Ancestry, though I am not sure how long this will last. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Ms. McLaughlin mentioned the plight of the agricultural labourers after Enclosure so I thought I would post this (which I have also just posted on the Northants list): If you have Ag Labs in your family tree then I recommend that you read "Commoners: Common Right, Enclosure and Social Change in England, 1700-1820" by J.M.Neeson. Published by Cambridge University Press, ISBN 0-521-56774-2. This book is a scholarly account about Parliamentary "social engineering" that took away the the use of Commons, & the self reliance that came with it, from a whole class of people in order to create a labour force (Ag Labs) that was dependant on a wage for existence and which would be an ongoing cheap supply of labour for England's economy. If your Ag Labs were like mine, destitute in the nineteenth century, after reading this book you will know why. This book contains much information on Northamptonshire (and several mentions of Bedfordshire) & contains many surnames. Sorry, no lookups as I am too busy at work. Malcolm On 1/20/06 8:52 PM, "Eve McLaughlin" <eve@varneys.demon.co.uk> wrote: > In message <1da.4afd2339.30f8117d@aol.com>, Carolgriff@aol.com writes >> Hi >> I watched who do you think you are on tv last night and was amazed at the >> way a family moved up north. >> >> Basically if you were poor then a company would "recruit" you and your >> family, send you to london then on a barge to eg a cotton mill in lancs. >> Often >> the >> younger children would be left behind as they were too young to work in the >> mills and so the mill owners wouldnt recruit the family. >> >> The programme was about Suffolk but I wondered if this would have happened >> in Beds as my family moved from Beds > > The organised migrations to the mills were a feature of life in the > impoverished rural counties. The bottom dropped out of agriculture, what > with the effects of enclosure, since the new cultivation system needed > fewer labourers, and the 10 years' bad harvests of the Hungry Forties. > There was a simple choice - stay and starve or move to a job waiting for > you, incredibly well paid. At first, much of the work was in smallish > mills, but being inside all day, working 12-14 hours was a great culture > shock to people used to the fresh air (and cold and wet, not idyllic). > The mills were crying out for workers, (females preferred, but some men > for the heavy stuff)and the early schemes were well policed, both by the > Poor Law Commissioners and in Beds, by individual clergymen, who visited > their distant flock and checked on their conditions. >

Hello Anybody out there, Am looking for any information at all about the Mylar/Myler family in and around Cardington and Bedfordshire area about 1730 and before. This is my family line and I cannot find any information around this time. I understand there were only about 800 houses there at this time and around 1100 people. That means any Mylar/Mylers there would undoubtably be related. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Ed Mylar, Paradise, Ca. USA edmylar@hotmail.com Ed Mylar

HI, Thanks very much. It is great to have a sounding board. However, I am not just depending on the names, In that article on Fitzhugh and Newton, the author did state that it was John Newton, master mariner who with one son went to VA and that he and friend William FitzHugh had numerous acres of land in Westmoreland. Plus the fact the author mentioned that John Newton's last wife Rose Tucker had a daughter Sarah who married William Fitzhugh. All of this is documented elsewhere. I agree that a sailor from Bristol wouldn't settled in Bedford long enough to establish himself in order to be on the Council. That is why I thought maybe this John Newton came from the area. I do not think the Barr's Court relationship is correct. Another researcher has found evidence that a Thomas Newton, who may be the father mentioned in the Will of John, did have some land in York...bought and sold several parcels. We are trying to work back from there and find the wife/mother and parents. What I would like from the list is advise on where to check in Bedford, if only to elimate the Newtons of that line from mine who go on to VA. I have done a good bit of work with records on Kent and York for other lines but not for Bedford. There don't seem to be that many available on line or in Salt Lake. I feel lost. Thanks again. Beth Sloan Las Vegas eas@coam.net -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Owen, Ancestry.com is not usually free however if they are offering free for you to look up.. you hand over your credit card details - no charge -. and then if you go off looking at anything else you should not look at then they start to deduct from your account for a membership fee. I am a member (after getting caught out looking at all sorts of goodies that they have on offer) and it has been very worthwhile for me to do so - Mind you I did have to ring them up and get them to cancel American. search facilities that they had really over charged me for.. so it was a bit of a hassle.. All I needed is the UK membership which is a lot cheaper. Cheers Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen" <oclarke4@comcast.net> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > Good Morning > Please tell me how to get on to these Free web sites. I went to > Ancestry.com and they wanted $69.00 for membership. > I was looking for info on my father and his dad. > Stanley Bernard Clarke, born 22nd July 1885 at Rose Cottage, Kirby Street, > Bromley. I always thought it was Poplar. His father Henry Clarke, a ship > builder, came from Cork, Ireland, and married Jemmima Freebourne. Not sure > but I think there were four boys and one girl. > Owen Clarke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Salter" <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:52 AM > Subject: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > > >> Ancestry.co.uk have just added the complete GRO BMD indexes 18237-1983 to >> their website in addition to the freeBMD index. >> Patti >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: >> Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving >> the messages >> individually or want them individually) >> >> or >> >> Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving >> a digest of multiple >> messages or want this mode) >> >> In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe >> or unsubscribe. >> >> > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > Bedfordshire at Rootsweb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: > 18/01/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006

Hi, Would just endorse everything Gail has said. Use UK site not USA one and if you do give any credit card details for a "free trial period" remember to CANCEL before time is up or you're likely to be charged for a full year's membership. Barbara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Owen" <oclarke4@comcast.net> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

Hi Barbara, I discovered a much better buy for my ancestry resubscription yesterday. You're correct, especially if you're in a situation like mine. We didn't arrive in the USA till 1954, so the USA info isn't useful for me anyway. So, when I was contacted by ancestry.com, we were talking about around $300 for this year. However, as we talked the rep mentioned that ancestry.co.uk has their subscription for all the UK records for 69 pounds. So, my resubscription will cost me less than half on ancestry.co.uk than it would have been on ancestry.com, and the I'll have access to all the records I need. :) Jim Bundy Kirkland, Washington USA One note re contacting ancestry.co.uk. I called the UK phone number, and found it was routed back to the USA anyway. So, just called ancestry.com, and ask for the international desk. No international call needed. ----- Original Message ----- From: <ellescott77@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:04 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > Hi, > Would just endorse everything Gail has said. Use UK site not USA one > and if you do give any credit card details for a "free trial period" > remember to CANCEL before time is up or you're likely to be charged > for a full year's membership. > Barbara > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Owen" <oclarke4@comcast.net> >> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> > > ----------------------------------------- > Email sent from www.ntlworld.com > Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software > Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box >

Owen You need to go into http://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/rectype/vital/freebmd/bmd.aspx to search the indexes For the moment at least they are free, and you don't have to give a credit card, just sign in. Good luck Regards David Gay O'Neill <gayoneill@bigpond.com> a écrit : Owen, Ancestry.com is not usually free however if they are offering free for you to look up.. you hand over your credit card details - no charge -. and then if you go off looking at anything else you should not look at then they start to deduct from your account for a membership fee. I am a member (after getting caught out looking at all sorts of goodies that they have on offer) and it has been very worthwhile for me to do so - Mind you I did have to ring them up and get them to cancel American. search facilities that they had really over charged me for.. so it was a bit of a hassle.. All I needed is the UK membership which is a lot cheaper. Cheers Gay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Owen" To: Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > Good Morning > Please tell me how to get on to these Free web sites. I went to > Ancestry.com and they wanted $69.00 for membership. > I was looking for info on my father and his dad. > Stanley Bernard Clarke, born 22nd July 1885 at Rose Cottage, Kirby Street, > Bromley. I always thought it was Poplar. His father Henry Clarke, a ship > builder, came from Cork, Ireland, and married Jemmima Freebourne. Not sure > but I think there were four boys and one girl. > Owen Clarke > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Salter" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:52 AM > Subject: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > > >> Ancestry.co.uk have just added the complete GRO BMD indexes 18237-1983 to >> their website in addition to the freeBMD index. >> Patti >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: >> Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving >> the messages >> individually or want them individually) >> >> or >> >> Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving >> a digest of multiple >> messages or want this mode) >> >> In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe >> or unsubscribe. >> >> > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > Bedfordshire at Rootsweb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: > 18/01/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Go to the Bedfordshire Lookup Exchange at: http://freespace.virgin.net/m.harbach/bdf.html --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Yes I see that tonight. I just paid for the whole year unlimited look ups last night......hmmm should have waited a day or so. Eunice - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Salter" <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 8:52 PM Subject: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > Ancestry.co.uk have just added the complete GRO BMD indexes 18237-1983 to their website in addition to the freeBMD index. > Patti > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. > >

Good Morning Please tell me how to get on to these Free web sites. I went to Ancestry.com and they wanted $69.00 for membership. I was looking for info on my father and his dad. Stanley Bernard Clarke, born 22nd July 1885 at Rose Cottage, Kirby Street, Bromley. I always thought it was Poplar. His father Henry Clarke, a ship builder, came from Cork, Ireland, and married Jemmima Freebourne. Not sure but I think there were four boys and one girl. Owen Clarke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Salter" <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:52 AM Subject: [BDF] BMD 1837-1983 > Ancestry.co.uk have just added the complete GRO BMD indexes 18237-1983 to > their website in addition to the freeBMD index. > Patti > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a > digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > >

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My mum was born in Cobblers Cottage, an end of line thatched cottages in Woburn Road. It is a beautiful place. There is a through way to the back where the horses my grandfather kept were stabled. Had a lot of relatives in this area. Cheers Eunice - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Street" <coalbeck@talktalk.net> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:38 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Ampthill > I spent the first 10 years of my life in Ampthill. There was a butcher's at > the bottom of Church Street but whether it dated from 1871 is another > matter. In books I have read about Ampthil there were complaints about a > pond at the bottom of the street being polluted with butcher's waste. > > I don't know a 'Railway Tavern' only 'The Locomotive' which is about a mile > down the road from Church Street; what you say about the bakers shop makes > this the most likely place. I suppose he could have used the new railway to > travel to Ampthill but I doubt if it would have been a direct connection or > a feasible daily journey by road or rail. > > I assume your mother lives in the 'Feeoffee Homes'. On a somber note my > grandfather is buried in the churchyard! > > Best wishes on your research > > Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pearl" <pearl_blanking@yahoo.com> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:17 PM > Subject: [BDF] Ampthill > > > > I am hoping someone can help me. > > > > Having just found my great grandfather (Henry George JACKSON) in Ampthill > > on the 1871 census, as an apprentice butcher in Church Street, does anyone > > know where this would have been in Church Street. > > > > On the census form the butcher is Leonard Brightman and his entry is next > > to the one for the Railway Tavern. The Railway Tavern is next to a bakers > > (the head of the household is a baker so assume it would have been a > > shop). Henry JACKSON lived in Westmill, Herts, approx. 27 miles away. > > Does anyone know how long would it have taken him to get to Ampthill? > > > > Now this is really eerie! My mother now lives in an Almshouse in Church > > Street Ampthill and it would be great if she knew exactly which house it > > was her grandfather lived in. She was very fond of her grandparents as > > her mother died 3 days after she was born and Henry & Amy PARKER brought > > her up in Essex. > > > > I did go to Ampthill Library this afternoon but only really had time to > > flick through a few books. > > > > Any help at all would be much appreciated. > > > > Regards > > Pearl > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Yahoo! Photos > > Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, > > whatever. > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > Go to the Bedfordshire Lookup Exchange at: > http://freespace.virgin.net/m.harbach/bdf.html > >

Ancestry.co.uk have just added the complete GRO BMD indexes 18237-1983 to their website in addition to the freeBMD index. Patti

I would like to hear from anyone who is looking for the above names in their ancestry as we may be of mutual interest to each other. Margaret