Hi Can anyone tell me where Goldington Grange was? Kevin -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 27/01/2006

Anyone tracing Wilstead ancestors may like to know an index to the 1861 census has been produced for the village. At £2 it will save a lot of units on the pay per view sites. The 1841 census index and 1871 index are also available. Further info and orders can be found on www.wilsteadbook.freeuk.com

In message <43D8B0F5.10868.D27C66@mjstrange.btinternet.com>, Mike Strange <mjstrange@btinternet.com> writes >Hope the list doesn't object to a little advert > >A new photographic book of Biggleswade has been published and the History >Society is >taking pre-launch orders - see www.biggleswadehistory.org.uk for details of this >and our >other works. These collections are excellent - I have a couple myself and anyone with ancestors in the area could profit by getting them.. The Society does an excellent job in gathering information about the past of the town. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hope the list doesn't object to a little advert A new photographic book of Biggleswade has been published and the History Society is taking pre-launch orders - see www.biggleswadehistory.org.uk for details of this and our other works. Thanks -- Mike Strange www.biggleswadehistory.org.uk: Bigglewade History Society - Hon Archivist & Webmaster www.yourtotalevent.com: STRANGE one-name study - Microfiche readers for sale - HMS Galatea Memorial

I am most interested in finding parents of John COLLINS who married Ann JONES (bn abt 1799, Bedford) 12/30/1817 at Bedford St Paul, England. They had the following Children: William (1819), Alfred (1820), Eliza (1829- married James STROULGER), Edwin (1833), John (1836) & Ellen (1839. All their children were baptized at Bedford Harper St Wesleyan Methodist Church. Thank you, Betty Childs Klaviter bcklaviter@comcast.net

In message <200601232355.k0NNtAhf015178@mail.rootsweb.com>, Rachel Roberts <rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com> writes >Thanks - hadn't thought of that! >I know the head of the family was a carpenter, but I guess anywhere there >was building work there would have been work for a carpenter. >They eventually fetched up in Liverpool - moving in shifts from the late >1850s to the late 1860s. I'd love to know why They were building streets of houses at a rate of knots in the north, to accommodate all the new workers. There were also some rather fine municipal buildings going up - I think (not sure) the Town Hall, a magnificent place, dates from about 1850s. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Thanks - hadn't thought of that! I know the head of the family was a carpenter, but I guess anywhere there was building work there would have been work for a carpenter. They eventually fetched up in Liverpool - moving in shifts from the late 1850s to the late 1860s. I'd love to know why - there might be an explanation here. Thanks, Eve Rachel -----Original Message----- From: Eve McLaughlin [mailto:eve@varneys.demon.co.uk] Sent: 23 January 2006 23:46 To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] RE: Moving from Suffolk In message <200601232315.k0NNFs8v027784@mail.rootsweb.com>, Rachel Roberts <rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com> writes >Sorry - basic question, new to the list - is an index of the 1841 >Bedfordshire census available anywhere? I have ancestors who were in >Suffolk until 1837 and turned up in London in 1849, but no trace inbetween! >In 1841 they are not in Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, Cambridgeshire, Berkshire, >Buckinghamshire etc., unless they're hideously mistranscribed. Bedfordshire >seems like a logical step, so I wondered... Personally, I would look at Yorkshire - a lot of weavers migrated from East Anglia to Yorkshire, when the wool trade at home decline. They might not have liked it, and decided London was a better bet. > >The name is RUNACUS (possible RUNACRES / RUNICLES, usual variations) in case >that rings a bell with anyone. some in Eton, Bucks around mid century (photographers later.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

In message <200601232315.k0NNFs8v027784@mail.rootsweb.com>, Rachel Roberts <rachel.m.roberts@btopenworld.com> writes >Sorry - basic question, new to the list - is an index of the 1841 >Bedfordshire census available anywhere? I have ancestors who were in >Suffolk until 1837 and turned up in London in 1849, but no trace inbetween! >In 1841 they are not in Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, Cambridgeshire, Berkshire, >Buckinghamshire etc., unless they're hideously mistranscribed. Bedfordshire >seems like a logical step, so I wondered... Personally, I would look at Yorkshire - a lot of weavers migrated from East Anglia to Yorkshire, when the wool trade at home decline. They might not have liked it, and decided London was a better bet. > >The name is RUNACUS (possible RUNACRES / RUNICLES, usual variations) in case >that rings a bell with anyone. some in Eton, Bucks around mid century (photographers later.) -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Sorry - basic question, new to the list - is an index of the 1841 Bedfordshire census available anywhere? I have ancestors who were in Suffolk until 1837 and turned up in London in 1849, but no trace inbetween! In 1841 they are not in Suffolk, Norfolk, Essex, Cambridgeshire, Berkshire, Buckinghamshire etc., unless they're hideously mistranscribed. Bedfordshire seems like a logical step, so I wondered... There seem to be a good few people in Bedfordhsire with Suffolk origins in 1851 - just under 300 - so it seems like a possibility. The name is RUNACUS (possible RUNACRES / RUNICLES, usual variations) in case that rings a bell with anyone. Thanks Rachel

In message <008b01c62055$a5b0e360$d34b86d9@Home>, Christina Hobson <andcris@thunderroad12332.freeserve.co.uk> writes >My ancestors were ag labs in Bedfordshire, but they migrated not to the >Yorkshire and Lancashire mills, but to the coal mines and iron foundries of >Derbyshire. This was in the early 1850's. Could this have been the same sort of >organised migration as discussed on the list? It was not Poor Law organised in quite the same way, but was a noticeable movement - the link was digging, since early mines were fairly shallow affairs, and if a man knew how to dig a drain trench or a pit for potatoes, he could easily adapted to digging just slightly deeper for coal or iron. Gradually, the pits got deeper and the men had to go below ground, but the work was still pick and shovel stugg, digging out chunks of the seam. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

My ancestors were ag labs in Bedfordshire, but they migrated not to the Yorkshire and Lancashire mills, but to the coal mines and iron foundries of Derbyshire. This was in the early 1850's. Could this have been the same sort of organised migration as discussed on the list? Christina Chesterfield, Derbyshire

Its not exactly in your area of Derbyshire, but there are two Black Country lists for coal miners, etc., and migration to, and from the north, and west of England. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-BLACKCOUNTRY-DIASPORA.html http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-BLACK-COUNTRY.html Sharon Christina Hobson <andcris@thunderroad12332.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: My ancestors were ag labs in Bedfordshire, but they migrated not to the Yorkshire and Lancashire mills, but to the coal mines and iron foundries of Derbyshire. This was in the early 1850's. Could this have been the same sort of organised migration as discussed on the list? Christina Chesterfield, Derbyshire --------------------------------- Find your next car at Yahoo! Canada Autos

Have forwarded it on to Pat in case she is not subbed anymore Cheers Eunice - sweltering in 43c in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&M Goodwin" <famhist@thegoodwins.fastmail.fm> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:37 PM Subject: [BDF] DENTON - Harlington > Hi, > > If Pat Upsall is still subscribed to the list, could you please contact > me off-list as I have some pictures which may interest you. > > Thanks, > David > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. > >

Eve McLaughlin wrote: >impoverished rural counties. The bottom dropped out of agriculture, what with the effects of enclosure, since the new cultivation system needed fewer labourers, and the 10 years' bad harvests of the Hungry Forties. There was a simple choice - stay and starve or move to a job waiting for you, incredibly well paid. > There's a delightful folk song, 'A Dalesman's Litany', which, though set in Yorkshire, tells much the same story. In this case, the Squire on whose estate the singer works refuses to keep him on if he marries, so he and his beloved have to go and work in the cities. There's a kind of refrain that runs through the song: 'From Hull and Halifax and Hell, Good Lord deliver me.' It's only when they retire that they can move back to the country. Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World

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Hi, If Pat Upsall is still subscribed to the list, could you please contact me off-list as I have some pictures which may interest you. Thanks, David

He Gay, This is what happens when you get old and have been researching this family for toooo long Henry was born in 1807 at Widicombe, Somerset. Frederick Gustavus was born c 1835 in Cheltenham, Gloucester. Frederick married in 1856. Thanks so very much for noticing my silly error Helen McNamara New Zealand. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gay O'Neill" <gayoneill@bigpond.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 11:50 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Frederick Gustavus & Elizabeth GILLER > Hi Helen, > can you just clarify when Henry was born as you have the birth and > marriage year the same. > Do you have census information for Henry as I am happy to go looking for > them > Cheers Gay O'Neill > Western Australia > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:09 PM > Subject: [BDF] Frederick Gustavus & Elizabeth GILLER > > >>I am searching for any family for Frederick Gustavus GILLER and Elizabeth >>PEACOCK. They married in Luton on 21 March 1856. Frederick was a son of >>Henry GILLER and Emily PALMER.He was born c 1856 in Cheltenham, >>Gloucester. Henry was a china & Glass dealer in Westgate Street . He >>retired to live in Hampstead with his 2nd wife Eliza MOSES. >> Thanks for any information or names of any descendants >> Helen mcNamara >> New zealand >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: >> 19/01/2006 >> >> > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: > 19/01/2006 > >

I am searching for any family for Frederick Gustavus GILLER and Elizabeth PEACOCK. They married in Luton on 21 March 1856. Frederick was a son of Henry GILLER and Emily PALMER.He was born c 1856 in Cheltenham, Gloucester. Henry was a china & Glass dealer in Westgate Street . He retired to live in Hampstead with his 2nd wife Eliza MOSES. Thanks for any information or names of any descendants Helen mcNamara New zealand

HI All, This is a strange request, but I am hoping that as the world gets smaller and genealogy becomes an addictive hobby to more and more people, someone may recognise my "lost" Althea. She may have come from London, or Bedfordshire, or anywhere else for that matter, but asshe was living in Lonon in 1939 and her husband came from Luton in Bedfordshire, it is a starting place. This is all I have on her, so if someone thinks she could be theirs, I would love to hear from them. In the 1930's an Althea became the wife of Claude Charles Underwood - no marriage certificate. Claude was killed in February 1939 on his way to work. At that time Claude and Althea were living at 73 Evelyn Avenue, Kingsbury, London. He was involved in a car/motor bike accident and died at Hendon where he is buried. Althea paid for his funeral and a double grave. In 1941 when his will (approximately £120) was administrated, Althea did not claim in and it went into Government coffers, and they won't give it back, I tried. Nor was Althea buried in the double plot. It remains empty. Claude was my grandfather and in the late 1920s/early 1930s (in Luton/Bedford) he used to drive a truck up and down outside his house with a redhead as passenger, just to stir up nan. My grandparents then split, nan staying in Bedford and Claude going to London. I don't know if the redhead and Althea were one in the same. It is possible that Claude and Althea had more children, but not knowing her surname I cannot find them as Underwood is a common surname. I have checked the CWG site, but cannot find an Althea Underwood on the list I am hoping against hope that someone has an Althea that fits the above description, such as it is. An even longer shot - say about 1,000,000 to one is that her surname could have been Gentel. However, it is a longshot, but if any Gentle/Gentel researchers read this and have a connection to the Underwood or Craft surnames I would love to hear from them anyway as that is another story. Thankyou for any help or advice that might be forthcoming. Have a good day. Sue in Australia.

Hi Helen, can you just clarify when Henry was born as you have the birth and marriage year the same. Do you have census information for Henry as I am happy to go looking for them Cheers Gay O'Neill Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen McNamara" <hennymac@snap.net.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [BDF] Frederick Gustavus & Elizabeth GILLER >I am searching for any family for Frederick Gustavus GILLER and Elizabeth >PEACOCK. They married in Luton on 21 March 1856. Frederick was a son of >Henry GILLER and Emily PALMER.He was born c 1856 in Cheltenham, Gloucester. >Henry was a china & Glass dealer in Westgate Street . He retired to live >in Hampstead with his 2nd wife Eliza MOSES. > Thanks for any information or names of any descendants > Helen mcNamara > New zealand > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/235 - Release Date: > 19/01/2006 > >