Listers We are pretty well covered here [at least North of Luton]. But we do need to list sites with names so we can add history to the names of The Fallen. And I am not sure how one would go about it? Do we take photos of the memorials and names from the village/town memorials? How would we present them on-line? Mr Edwards, and others, have done a sterling job with Bedfordshire memorials - but people ask online is ...so-and-so... on the War memorial for Watford, Luton or Aylesbury and there is no way of saying! I would love for all these men to be - well, at least, listed. And then future researchers, in 50 or a 100 years time could refer to the list. Apart from that, these men are our history and deserve to have their shortened lives acknowledged. Photos, for even WW 11, men are scant & so we may be loosing a lot of our history? cathy

Train time from Gatwick to central London is 30-45 minutes. Driving might take 1 and a half hours. According to the Thameslink timetable on http://www.thameslink.co.uk/index.php total journey time Gatwick- Bedford is less than 2 hours I lived in New York for some years and flew back to the UK regularly to see my aged mother who lives in Bedford. I'd choose Gatwick every time and relax on the train. Journey time airport - Bedford is about the same but without the hassle factor. Regards David Patricia Salter <ps015p6402@blueyonder.co.uk> a écrit :Gatwick is a long way from Bedford, its about 1 and a half hours away from London in the South and Bedford is about an hour away from London in the North, so out of Gatwick and Heathrow, Heathrow is far better. Patti (someone who lives in London and travels to both airports) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Andrew To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Record Locations: There is a National Express coach direct from Heathrow into Bedfordshire. It stops in Luton and at the airport. I'm not sure if the same applies to Gatwick but it might be worth checking. Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

I find that the best way is to go to Heathrow and then walk to the central bus station and catch the bus. This is sign posted in the airport. This way you do not hit London at all and luggage on a train I found there was not the room to store it away. On a coach it is cheaper and also the luggage is in the bottom of the coach and safer. I came from Northampton and visited Bedford a lot as my mum was born there. Anyway your choice. I go to the UK each year and catch the National Express coach which one can book online. Cheers Eunice - Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "grant corson" <corson@adelphia.net> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Records Locations > You are wise to have a train pass, it really is the best way to travel. The > trains run frequently and you can get to see the country side in a relaxed > way, especially if you are used to driving on the right side of the road. > The Archives in Bedford are very helpful and the people there are super. > Your search might take you to a village that is not served by a train but > then there is usually a bus going where you need to go. We went twice to > Bedford and to Turvey where my folks are from and had only positive > experiences right down to the two gentlemen in the Three Cranes who found an > old map of Turvey showing house numbers that was a great help. > Have a wonderful time, no worries > Can't help you with the airport question, either one should get you on your > way, although I would guess Heathrow would be the most likely, then into > London and up to Bedford. I don't believe you can get a direct line from > either airport to Bedford but I might be mistaken. > Best, Grant Corson in Vermont, USA > > > On 1/31/06 8:35 AM, "Sandee" <sandee@ionet.net> wrote: > > > i am planning a trip from the USA to Bedford in June, and am inquiring about > > the best way to go about accessing local records. What departments would i > > contact?, will i have any problems looking and searching thru the records > > myself? if so, would there be any fees for looking and transcribing family > > information? i understand there would be fees if i get copies of records, can > > anyone advise what the fee amount would be? are there smaller local offices? > > if so, are they open daily for 8am-5pm, or does one need to go to the larger > > registration office in Bedford? where else may records be kept that i could > > look at first hand? Do local cemeteries have lists of internments? which > > cemeteries would be the most likely where the ancients would be buried? are > > church records accessable to the public? > > > > I will be primarily searching: Bedford, Shefford, Sandy, Hamlet of Ireland, > > Biggleswade, Southill, and Wyboston areas in Beds, as well as Hinxworth and > > Tring in Herts, and Winslow and Aylesbury in Bucks. The time frame i will be > > searching will be ca 1812-1890. > > > > I will be getting a train pass, can anyone advise which airport, Heathrow or > > Gatwick, would have the most direct train to Bedford? britrail.com is not > > exactly clear on this. > > > > any clues, tips, warning, hints, do's and don'ts would be most gratefully > > appreciated. > > > > Thank you for any assistance > > Sandee > > sandee@ionet.net > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Enter Bedford in the box > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > >

Thanks for the info. I am constantly learning about my Bedfordshire rellies, i never dreamt i had rellie outside of Co Durham till I started this family tree just over a year ago. i never cease to be amazed. carol

Dear List: Would really appreciate a 1841 Census look up on the following family and anyone else that would be in the household at the time: John Collins (age unknown to me) wife: Jane nee Jones COLLINS bn abt 1798 Bedford; Married to John 12/30 1817 Bedford St Paul children: Wm (1819) Alfred (1820, Eliza (1829), Edwin (1833) John (1836) & Ellen (1839) In both the 1851 & 1861 Census, Jane (widow) and Children were living @ St Paul Sq, Bedford St Paul. Thank you, Betty Childs Klaviter bcklaviter@comcast.net

I'm with a previous poster, preferring Gatwick and the Thameslink train directly to Bedford. Thus only once on and off, and if one if fortunate enough to go to sleep, you can't miss your destination, as Bedford is the end of the line. I only wish main line airlines now flew into Gatwick from Toronto, with a daytime flight. All that is available are charter flights, with no leg room and seats which barely tilt backwards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Eunice Goude To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Research Trip to Beds Jet lag is always a problem if you fly from one side of the world to the other. I usually fly from Australia and we are at this moment 11 hours ahead of the UK but one tries to adapt to the time change.I find that when I get into Heathrow it is easy to find the bus terminal and once on that you can sleep far easier than on a train. The trick to jetlag is to not go to sleep when you get to your destination but to try your utmost to keep awake as long as you can to fit in with this change. The quicker you get into the pattern the easier. I have travelled back and forth for a number of years and have proved this. Anyway good luck in your venture. Eunice - Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandee" <sandee@ionet.net> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 2:30 PM Subject: [BDF] Research Trip to Beds > You have all been so wonderful in filling me in, clueing me in, lining me out......i sincerely thank each and every one of you! > > my clan were mostly located in the bedford area, all those little hamlets and villages...then they started to migrate for one reason or another... death of a spouse was often the reason, the widow 'went home', some of the kids were grown, some were not, so the youngest went with mom or the widowed father (that remarried 'Sarah')....various spellings, very common names, have been most frustrating. i suppose that is the real reason i finally decided to make this trip over. i was in england 3 years ago, but in the London and Kent region, i did not know about this 'knot' at that time. i do have ancestry, i do have the census, i have been trying to follow all of the boards, websites, etc. most of what i come up with is index's, without any, or very little supporting information. ie, father and mothers names, mothers maiden names, spouse names, etc. nothing to really link them together. the marriage index is most frustrating....there can be 10 people listed on the page....and no l! > ink as to who married who! the partners are not connected.....and there are often 'several good choices to choose from' :) Then there are all of the Davids, James, Johns, Georges, that married all of the Emma's, Elizabeth's, and Mary Ann's, and the male and female children being named after the grandparents, parents, favorite aunt or uncle, or strung together after 3 or 4 ancestors! then there is not being all that familiar with the local vernacular, how things work, what boundry a hamlet or village was in at any given time. i do cut and past what i find into the individual records.....i can deal with all of the ag laborers and straw plaitters....and am thankful for the occassional blacksmith or hurdlemaker (just what was a hurdle...only thing i can think of is what horses jump over?:) > > i knew about the Britrail Pass...but had not heard of the National Rail Co or the Thameslink. Thank all of you for the great info. The bus sounds good, but i know i will be flat exhausted when i get into london. it depends if i get a flight thru dallas or chicago to which airport i use. someone at work told me that they thought there was a direct line from gatwick, but had no idea about heathrow...i never understood why when i flew to france i did not have the jet lag problem, but with london i do. it was explained to me by a 40year military veteran....once you CROSS over the GMT, no problem, but london IS GMT, so one 'hits the envelope'.... > > i have been trying to untangle this clan for about 5 years....sometimes i think i got it....only to find out.....nope, that isn't it! or, most often.....need more information to prove it. > > The primary names are Wells, ODell, Hilliard/Hillyard, Wilson, and Stevens in Beds. Per my grandmother Nellie Wells, her father James Wells's grandmother was an ODell.....but the only Wells/Odell marriage i find is David Wells b ca 1865, son of James - to Isabella Odell b ca 1866 Shefford, dau of George and Isabella. but i only find them with one child, Maude, b ca 1883-1889 per 1891 and 1901 census, and there are quite a few others.....George Wells m Emma Hilliard b ca 1843 in Shefford, dau of George and Emma! > > Thanks again to all of you. Your comments, suggestions, info is most graciously received > > Sandee > sandee@ionet.net > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html

If it makes no difference cost wise which airport you fly in to then I beg to differ from the other advice. For ease of transport to Bedford I would pick Gatwick. There are direct trains to Bedford (Bedford - Brighton route), you don't have to mess about carting luggage around the tubes, etc in London. Get off the plane, down to the station which is in the middle of the airport, sit down and relax, get off at Bedford. The beauty is that if you fall asleep you can't miss your stop as the train terminates at Bedford! Enjoy David Sandee <sandee@ionet.net> a écrit : You have all been so wonderful in filling me in, clueing me in, lining me out......i sincerely thank each and every one of you! my clan were mostly located in the bedford area, all those little hamlets and villages...then they started to migrate for one reason or another... death of a spouse was often the reason, the widow 'went home', some of the kids were grown, some were not, so the youngest went with mom or the widowed father (that remarried 'Sarah')....various spellings, very common names, have been most frustrating. i suppose that is the real reason i finally decided to make this trip over. i was in england 3 years ago, but in the London and Kent region, i did not know about this 'knot' at that time. i do have ancestry, i do have the census, i have been trying to follow all of the boards, websites, etc. most of what i come up with is index's, without any, or very little supporting information. ie, father and mothers names, mothers maiden names, spouse names, etc. nothing to really link them together. the marriage index is most frustrating....there can be 10 people listed on the page....and no l! ink as to who married who! the partners are not connected.....and there are often 'several good choices to choose from' :) Then there are all of the Davids, James, Johns, Georges, that married all of the Emma's, Elizabeth's, and Mary Ann's, and the male and female children being named after the grandparents, parents, favorite aunt or uncle, or strung together after 3 or 4 ancestors! then there is not being all that familiar with the local vernacular, how things work, what boundry a hamlet or village was in at any given time. i do cut and past what i find into the individual records.....i can deal with all of the ag laborers and straw plaitters....and am thankful for the occassional blacksmith or hurdlemaker (just what was a hurdle...only thing i can think of is what horses jump over?:) i knew about the Britrail Pass...but had not heard of the National Rail Co or the Thameslink. Thank all of you for the great info. The bus sounds good, but i know i will be flat exhausted when i get into london. it depends if i get a flight thru dallas or chicago to which airport i use. someone at work told me that they thought there was a direct line from gatwick, but had no idea about heathrow...i never understood why when i flew to france i did not have the jet lag problem, but with london i do. it was explained to me by a 40year military veteran....once you CROSS over the GMT, no problem, but london IS GMT, so one 'hits the envelope'.... i have been trying to untangle this clan for about 5 years....sometimes i think i got it....only to find out.....nope, that isn't it! or, most often.....need more information to prove it. The primary names are Wells, ODell, Hilliard/Hillyard, Wilson, and Stevens in Beds. Per my grandmother Nellie Wells, her father James Wells's grandmother was an ODell.....but the only Wells/Odell marriage i find is David Wells b ca 1865, son of James - to Isabella Odell b ca 1866 Shefford, dau of George and Isabella. but i only find them with one child, Maude, b ca 1883-1889 per 1891 and 1901 census, and there are quite a few others.....George Wells m Emma Hilliard b ca 1843 in Shefford, dau of George and Emma! Thanks again to all of you. Your comments, suggestions, info is most graciously received Sandee sandee@ionet.net ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Gatwick is a long way from Bedford, its about 1 and a half hours away from London in the South and Bedford is about an hour away from London in the North, so out of Gatwick and Heathrow, Heathrow is far better. Patti (someone who lives in London and travels to both airports) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Andrew To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Record Locations: There is a National Express coach direct from Heathrow into Bedfordshire. It stops in Luton and at the airport. I'm not sure if the same applies to Gatwick but it might be worth checking. Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe.

Stanstead is closer but I dont know if flights from the USA go there. Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: grant corson To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Records Locations You are wise to have a train pass, it really is the best way to travel. The trains run frequently and you can get to see the country side in a relaxed way, especially if you are used to driving on the right side of the road. The Archives in Bedford are very helpful and the people there are super. Your search might take you to a village that is not served by a train but then there is usually a bus going where you need to go. We went twice to Bedford and to Turvey where my folks are from and had only positive experiences right down to the two gentlemen in the Three Cranes who found an old map of Turvey showing house numbers that was a great help. Have a wonderful time, no worries Can't help you with the airport question, either one should get you on your way, although I would guess Heathrow would be the most likely, then into London and up to Bedford. I don't believe you can get a direct line from either airport to Bedford but I might be mistaken. Best, Grant Corson in Vermont, USA On 1/31/06 8:35 AM, "Sandee" <sandee@ionet.net> wrote: > i am planning a trip from the USA to Bedford in June, and am inquiring about > the best way to go about accessing local records. What departments would i > contact?, will i have any problems looking and searching thru the records > myself? if so, would there be any fees for looking and transcribing family > information? i understand there would be fees if i get copies of records, can > anyone advise what the fee amount would be? are there smaller local offices? > if so, are they open daily for 8am-5pm, or does one need to go to the larger > registration office in Bedford? where else may records be kept that i could > look at first hand? Do local cemeteries have lists of internments? which > cemeteries would be the most likely where the ancients would be buried? are > church records accessable to the public? > > I will be primarily searching: Bedford, Shefford, Sandy, Hamlet of Ireland, > Biggleswade, Southill, and Wyboston areas in Beds, as well as Hinxworth and > Tring in Herts, and Winslow and Aylesbury in Bucks. The time frame i will be > searching will be ca 1812-1890. > > I will be getting a train pass, can anyone advise which airport, Heathrow or > Gatwick, would have the most direct train to Bedford? britrail.com is not > exactly clear on this. > > any clues, tips, warning, hints, do's and don'ts would be most gratefully > appreciated. > > Thank you for any assistance > Sandee > sandee@ionet.net > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk

Thames link runs directly from Gatwick to Bedford, no bother of getting luggage on the tube at Heathrow, off in London, and possibly having to go across London on another tube to connect with the train to Bedford at Kings Cross. "Thameslink operates a fast, frequent direct service between Bedford in the north, via Luton Airport Parkway, the City of London and Gatwick Airport to Brighton and Wimbledon-Sutton-Carshalton in the south." ----- Original Message ----- From: grant corson To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Beds Records Locations You are wise to have a train pass, it really is the best way to travel. The trains run frequently and you can get to see the country side in a relaxed way, especially if you are used to driving on the right side of the road. The Archives in Bedford are very helpful and the people there are super. Your search might take you to a village that is not served by a train but then there is usually a bus going where you need to go. We went twice to Bedford and to Turvey where my folks are from and had only positive experiences right down to the two gentlemen in the Three Cranes who found an old map of Turvey showing house numbers that was a great help. Have a wonderful time, no worries Can't help you with the airport question, either one should get you on your way, although I would guess Heathrow would be the most likely, then into London and up to Bedford. I don't believe you can get a direct line from either airport to Bedford but I might be mistaken. Best, Grant Corson in Vermont, USA On 1/31/06 8:35 AM, "Sandee" <sandee@ionet.net> wrote: > i am planning a trip from the USA to Bedford in June, and am inquiring about > the best way to go about accessing local records. What departments would i > contact?, will i have any problems looking and searching thru the records > myself? if so, would there be any fees for looking and transcribing family > information? i understand there would be fees if i get copies of records, can > anyone advise what the fee amount would be? are there smaller local offices? > if so, are they open daily for 8am-5pm, or does one need to go to the larger > registration office in Bedford? where else may records be kept that i could > look at first hand? Do local cemeteries have lists of internments? which > cemeteries would be the most likely where the ancients would be buried? are > church records accessable to the public? > > I will be primarily searching: Bedford, Shefford, Sandy, Hamlet of Ireland, > Biggleswade, Southill, and Wyboston areas in Beds, as well as Hinxworth and > Tring in Herts, and Winslow and Aylesbury in Bucks. The time frame i will be > searching will be ca 1812-1890. > > I will be getting a train pass, can anyone advise which airport, Heathrow or > Gatwick, would have the most direct train to Bedford? britrail.com is not > exactly clear on this. > > any clues, tips, warning, hints, do's and don'ts would be most gratefully > appreciated. > > Thank you for any assistance > Sandee > sandee@ionet.net > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk

To Chris Roberts, It looks like you may have a firewall blocking unknown senders. Thanks to Kevin Quick's site Richard + Hannah HOLTOM and children are in Tilsworth Rd, Stanbridge in 1841. Both are aged 45 (rounded). As I suspected Richard is born outside the county, but Hannan is local. The children that we found in Stanbridge christenings are Elizabeth 15, Jane 11, William 8. In addition Phebe 4 and Sarah 1 are born after 1837. The eldest daughter Hannah is listed further down as a servant at a neighbour's house. Also in 1841 Census in Tilsworth Rd is a father and son combination. John 50 is born outside the county, but his son Joseph 30 is local. The age of Richard suggests he would be too young for marriage in 1808. Therefore, I suggest his wife is Ann Lampett whom he married in Oxford in 1818. This is a good fit for birth dates of children. Peter

Congratulations to Kevin Quick on an exceptional website. For those who missed it:- You will find a complete transcript to the 1841 census for Stanbridge and also for Leighton Buzzard, Linslade, Billington, Eggington and Heath & Reach on my web site at: www.leighton-linslade.com There is also a cross-linked A to Z index to surnames. It also has 1861 data. Even if you don't have ancestors from those locations, it's well worth a visit not only for the articles but also some great web design. Well Done Peter Booth

You have all been so wonderful in filling me in, clueing me in, lining me out......i sincerely thank each and every one of you! my clan were mostly located in the bedford area, all those little hamlets and villages...then they started to migrate for one reason or another... death of a spouse was often the reason, the widow 'went home', some of the kids were grown, some were not, so the youngest went with mom or the widowed father (that remarried 'Sarah')....various spellings, very common names, have been most frustrating. i suppose that is the real reason i finally decided to make this trip over. i was in england 3 years ago, but in the London and Kent region, i did not know about this 'knot' at that time. i do have ancestry, i do have the census, i have been trying to follow all of the boards, websites, etc. most of what i come up with is index's, without any, or very little supporting information. ie, father and mothers names, mothers maiden names, spouse names, etc. nothing to really link them together. the marriage index is most frustrating....there can be 10 people listed on the page....and no l! ink as to who married who! the partners are not connected.....and there are often 'several good choices to choose from' :) Then there are all of the Davids, James, Johns, Georges, that married all of the Emma's, Elizabeth's, and Mary Ann's, and the male and female children being named after the grandparents, parents, favorite aunt or uncle, or strung together after 3 or 4 ancestors! then there is not being all that familiar with the local vernacular, how things work, what boundry a hamlet or village was in at any given time. i do cut and past what i find into the individual records.....i can deal with all of the ag laborers and straw plaitters....and am thankful for the occassional blacksmith or hurdlemaker (just what was a hurdle...only thing i can think of is what horses jump over?:) i knew about the Britrail Pass...but had not heard of the National Rail Co or the Thameslink. Thank all of you for the great info. The bus sounds good, but i know i will be flat exhausted when i get into london. it depends if i get a flight thru dallas or chicago to which airport i use. someone at work told me that they thought there was a direct line from gatwick, but had no idea about heathrow...i never understood why when i flew to france i did not have the jet lag problem, but with london i do. it was explained to me by a 40year military veteran....once you CROSS over the GMT, no problem, but london IS GMT, so one 'hits the envelope'.... i have been trying to untangle this clan for about 5 years....sometimes i think i got it....only to find out.....nope, that isn't it! or, most often.....need more information to prove it. The primary names are Wells, ODell, Hilliard/Hillyard, Wilson, and Stevens in Beds. Per my grandmother Nellie Wells, her father James Wells's grandmother was an ODell.....but the only Wells/Odell marriage i find is David Wells b ca 1865, son of James - to Isabella Odell b ca 1866 Shefford, dau of George and Isabella. but i only find them with one child, Maude, b ca 1883-1889 per 1891 and 1901 census, and there are quite a few others.....George Wells m Emma Hilliard b ca 1843 in Shefford, dau of George and Emma! Thanks again to all of you. Your comments, suggestions, info is most graciously received Sandee sandee@ionet.net

Marlene I have to concede I discovered that Susan Webb went to Canada purely by accident. Having lost her after the 1861 Census I was doing some random searches on the internet using "Google" entering the Webb name and Susan's home village in Bedfordshire from which I came up with someone with similar Webb interests and a Canadian connection. I subsequently did searches on an Odell Discussion Board http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Odell,Canada::odell::216.html and found several people with links between Tingrith and Canada. This lead to me getting hold of a very detailed family history of the Odell family who settled in Canada and a number of wonderful photographs. A great deal of good fortune but digging around on the Internet can come up with some great results Hope this helps Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlene Shipman" <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] emigration to Canada > > Hi Richard > I'd love to know how you discovered who sponsored your family? Any clues > for other researchers as to how you found out? > Regards > Marlene > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Webb" <101541.1541@compuserve.com> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 9:55 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] emigration to Canada > > >> Lila >> >> My great great aunt Susan Webb who married George Odell emigrated to >> Canada in 1870. The family came from Tingrith and were sponsored by the >> Trevor family who owned Tingrith Manor. >> >> Susan her husband and 8 children sailed from Liverpool on a ship called >> the "Austrian" on 14 April 1870 and landed in Quebec. The family settled >> in Ontario. Travelling with the family were George's parents and other >> relations. >> >> Could this be the ship which carried the Page family ? >> >> >> >> Richard Webb >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "lila george" <leftybarr@yahoo.com> >> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:41 PM >> Subject: [BDF] emigration to Canada >> >> >>> >>> My Page family was from Shillington, Bedfordshire. In 1870 they were >>> sponsored by an emigration society in London to go to Canada. >>> >>> On the ship's list I copied from microfilm, there were a list of >>> several families from Bedforshire. >>> >>> I am wondering if there is anyone on this list who may have had family >>> go to Canada also. I am trying to locate records from the society that >>> sent them. >>> >>> >>> Lila George >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------- >>> >>> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos >>> >>> >>> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >>> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >>> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at >> http://www.bfhs.org.uk >> > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Lila Yes Tingrith is a small village in Bedfordshire. Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "lila george" <leftybarr@yahoo.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2006 12:57 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] emigration to Canada > > Hi Richard, > My Page's left Liverpool on April 19, 1870 on the "European" and landed > in Quebec on May 5. They were sponsored by Mrs. Hobart's Emigration Fund. > They first went to Almonte Village in Ontario, then on to Gananoque and > finally to Alexandria Bay New York. > > Where is Tingrith? Is it in Bedfordshire? > > > Lila > > Richard Webb <101541.1541@compuserve.com> wrote: > Lila > > My great great aunt Susan Webb who married George Odell emigrated to > Canada > in 1870. The family came from Tingrith and were sponsored by the Trevor > family who owned Tingrith Manor. > > Susan her husband and 8 children sailed from Liverpool on a ship called > the > "Austrian" on 14 April 1870 and landed in Quebec. The family settled in > Ontario. Travelling with the family were George's parents and other > relations. > > Could this be the ship which carried the Page family ? > > > > Richard Webb > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "lila george" > To: > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 5:41 PM > Subject: [BDF] emigration to Canada > > >> >> My Page family was from Shillington, Bedfordshire. In 1870 they were >> sponsored by an emigration society in London to go to Canada. >> >> On the ship's list I copied from microfilm, there were a list of several >> families from Bedforshire. >> >> I am wondering if there is anyone on this list who may have had family >> go to Canada also. I am trying to locate records from the society that >> sent them. >> >> >> Lila George >> >> >> --------------------------------- >> >> What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >> http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box

Betty Unfortunately my Susan Webb came from Steppingley (born 1833) and George Odell from Westoning (also born 1833). Regards Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Lark" <lark.nelson@xtra.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 3:47 AM Subject: [BDF] WEBB- ODELL > > Hi Richard, just wondering if you are talking about Susan WEBB bapt. 21 > Marh 1847 Marston Mortaine do John WEBB & Caroline FANE plus George ODELL > bap. 20 June 1840 Flitwick so James ODELL & Kitty JOHNSON I have both the > WEBB & ODELL names. Love to know if I can marry them off? > > Regards > Betty Lark > Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > Go to the Bedfordshire Lookup Exchange at: > http://freespace.virgin.net/m.harbach/bdf.html

There is a National Express coach direct from Heathrow into Bedfordshire. It stops in Luton and at the airport. I'm not sure if the same applies to Gatwick but it might be worth checking. Chris Andrew Ontario, Canada

Phyll Try and get an 1841 census for your people at Rootschat here: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,197.0.html

Hello A tube from Heathrow to Kings Cross where there are regular trains to Bedford is your best way. It would be best to arm yourself with everything you can find on-line or via contacts over here to begin with and then you can spend more time with vital research. Bedfordshire Archives [in Bedford Town] keep all the archive material & have many records listed on their search site and are adding info all the time, so please look here: http://blars.adlibsoft.com/form.html They also have the parish records of all Bedfordshire villages, so it isnt necessary to order every marriage certificates for instant as the PRs have the same information too. Please see this site about opening times & how to contact them etc: http://www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/Bedfordshire/Staticpages.nsf/Web/Staticpages/local_record s Please write to them if you have any concerns, they are very helpful. CENSUS [1841 onwards] : The Rootschat people are helpful if you need census data [and this would save you time if you had these records already?] etc: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,197.0.html For births/marriages/deaths from 1837 [when civil registration began] your interests are mainly in the Biggleswade area: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ But these can be ordered in Bedford too: http://www.fhsc.org.uk/genuki/REG/bdf.htm happy hunting cathy

You are wise to have a train pass, it really is the best way to travel. The trains run frequently and you can get to see the country side in a relaxed way, especially if you are used to driving on the right side of the road. The Archives in Bedford are very helpful and the people there are super. Your search might take you to a village that is not served by a train but then there is usually a bus going where you need to go. We went twice to Bedford and to Turvey where my folks are from and had only positive experiences right down to the two gentlemen in the Three Cranes who found an old map of Turvey showing house numbers that was a great help. Have a wonderful time, no worries Can't help you with the airport question, either one should get you on your way, although I would guess Heathrow would be the most likely, then into London and up to Bedford. I don't believe you can get a direct line from either airport to Bedford but I might be mistaken. Best, Grant Corson in Vermont, USA On 1/31/06 8:35 AM, "Sandee" <sandee@ionet.net> wrote: > i am planning a trip from the USA to Bedford in June, and am inquiring about > the best way to go about accessing local records. What departments would i > contact?, will i have any problems looking and searching thru the records > myself? if so, would there be any fees for looking and transcribing family > information? i understand there would be fees if i get copies of records, can > anyone advise what the fee amount would be? are there smaller local offices? > if so, are they open daily for 8am-5pm, or does one need to go to the larger > registration office in Bedford? where else may records be kept that i could > look at first hand? Do local cemeteries have lists of internments? which > cemeteries would be the most likely where the ancients would be buried? are > church records accessable to the public? > > I will be primarily searching: Bedford, Shefford, Sandy, Hamlet of Ireland, > Biggleswade, Southill, and Wyboston areas in Beds, as well as Hinxworth and > Tring in Herts, and Winslow and Aylesbury in Bucks. The time frame i will be > searching will be ca 1812-1890. > > I will be getting a train pass, can anyone advise which airport, Heathrow or > Gatwick, would have the most direct train to Bedford? britrail.com is not > exactly clear on this. > > any clues, tips, warning, hints, do's and don'ts would be most gratefully > appreciated. > > Thank you for any assistance > Sandee > sandee@ionet.net > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box >