I have an ancestor from shillington called Asenath HILL (maiden name)which I believe is a name from the old testament possibly connected to Joseph. They were methodists in the mid 19th century and wondered if this may have contributed to them choosing such an unusual name? Rosemary > > From: AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com > Date: 2006/02/03 Fri PM 07:57:03 GMT > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] Unusual Christian names: Hamlet > > Listers > > Does anyone have any Hamlets in their family? > > It seems to crop-up in one branch of my family all the time [usually as a > middle name] as far back as I can trace them...I can't imagine that they knew > Shakespeare's play Hamlet which is the only Hamlet I have heard of outside these > people? Their surname was VOERKER [later Anglicised as WORKER]. > > cathy > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > ----------------------------------------- Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information

good evening from Downunder. I Have got Charles PRATT born about 1842 in Leighton Buzzard. he married in to my HOOTON line in London in 1867. I do have a lot of other Pratts from Leighton Buzzard that are in with my Samuels line , but can't seem to make any connection between the two . Wondering if anyone may be able to help me please many thanks Sheila Gold Coast OZ

http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=asenath At 01:32 PM 2/4/2006, you wrote: >I have an ancestor from Shillington called Asenath HILL (maiden >name)which I believe is a name from the old testament possibly >connected to Joseph. They were methodists in the mid 19th century >and wondered if this may have contributed to them choosing such an >unusual name? >Rosemary > > > > From: AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com > > Date: 2006/02/03 Fri PM 07:57:03 GMT > > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BDF] Unusual Christian names: Hamlet > > > > Listers > > > > Does anyone have any Hamlets in their family? > > > > It seems to crop-up in one branch of my family all the time [usually as a > > middle name] as far back as I can trace them...I can't imagine > that they knew > > Shakespeare's play Hamlet which is the only Hamlet I have heard > of outside these > > people? Their surname was VOERKER [later Anglicised as WORKER]. > > > > cathy > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > > > >----------------------------------------- >Email sent from www.ntlworld.com >Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software >Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information > > >==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

i knew a bernadette hamlet who lived in cleveland st birkenhead merseyside in the 40s - 50s

In message <d5.367aee15.31153a4e@aol.com>, AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com writes >In a message dated 2/3/06 8:18:58 PM GMT Standard Time, >david11000carca@yahoo.fr writes: > >> My favourite has to be >> >> Christened 9 Nov 1814 at Norwich: Hamlet Prince William Denmark, son of >> Hamlet and Amy Denmark ( controlled extract, not a member submission!!!) >> I think it is very tempting, if you are surnamed Denmark (and have a bit of a literary bent). It is like all the people called Nelson who named a baby Horatio (and confused their descendants) - at least none of the Denmarks would have claimed royal ancestry because of it. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Bucks Genealogical Society Meeting Feb 11 Do you have a problem working out whose all those old ancestral photos could be? Tom Doig is offering advice on DATING AND IDENTIFYING OLD PHOTOGRAPHS on Saturday, February 11 at 3pm. Research, bookstall, library access from 2pm. Venue, Walton Court Community Centre, Hannon Rd, off Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. This is approached by following signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turning at the first roundabout (Entrance 1) into Churchill Drive, then left into Ellen Rd and follow this road round till you see the 'Walton Court' sign. Parking on either side of the Walton Court shopping precinct or at the end of Cole Rd (next turning right). From the A418, follow the Walton Court signs at the first big roundabout. Hannon Rd if the fourth turning right (and marked to Stoke Mandeville Hosp. avoiding speed bumps). The Community Centre is at the back left of the precinct, security buzzer access. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Kia Ora Has anyone got any connections to Philip CLARK born 1827 Yelden who married Ann FAIREY and had 4 daughters viz Mary, Ruth, Ada & Kate in Yelden Beds? I think Ruth & Ada married 2 brothers Thomas & William CHARLES. Any family connections out there? I'd love to know how the family fared after 1901. Marlene in New Zealand

Hi Cathy Perhaps not as uncommon as both you and I thought - there are over 1700 entries on the IGI (OK, some will be duplicated) My favourite has to be Christened 9 Nov 1814 at Norwich: Hamlet Prince William Denmark, son of Hamlet and Amy Denmark ( controlled extract, not a member submission!!!) Regards David AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com a écrit : Listers Does anyone have any Hamlets in their family? It seems to crop-up in one branch of my family all the time [usually as a middle name] as far back as I can trace them...I can't imagine that they knew Shakespeare's play Hamlet which is the only Hamlet I have heard of outside these people? Their surname was VOERKER [later Anglicised as WORKER]. cathy ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

In a message dated 2/3/06 8:18:58 PM GMT Standard Time, david11000carca@yahoo.fr writes: > My favourite has to be > > Christened 9 Nov 1814 at Norwich: Hamlet Prince William Denmark, son of > Hamlet and Amy Denmark ( controlled extract, not a member submission!!!) > > Thank you, my people were in Norwich too before Bedfordshire - so perhaps it is just a Norfolk thing?! cathy

Listers Does anyone have any Hamlets in their family? It seems to crop-up in one branch of my family all the time [usually as a middle name] as far back as I can trace them...I can't imagine that they knew Shakespeare's play Hamlet which is the only Hamlet I have heard of outside these people? Their surname was VOERKER [later Anglicised as WORKER]. cathy

Hi Owen, If no one on the list can help. There may be Volunteers - at the Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness - England. http://www.raogk.org/england.htm Cheers, Stella At 08:45 AM 2/3/2006, you wrote: >Could some kind soul who happens to be in Luton with their camera at >the ready please take a photograph of my late wife's grave. she >passed away from a blood clot in 1949 just after the birth of our >baby (3 lbs 10 oz) the smallest on record in the Harpenden hospital >at the time (December 7th 1948). I believe the grave yard is no >longer in use as there is a more modern one up at Stopsley, I think. >Address is Church Cemetry on the hill close by the St.Mary's Parish >church, Row O 18 Sectiion 9. >Unfortunately I cannot go there to keep it tidy as I now live in the USA. >Owen > > >==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >For any updates our info about the status of this list go to >http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Could some kind soul who happens to be in Luton with their camera at the ready please take a photograph of my late wife's grave. she passed away from a blood clot in 1949 just after the birth of our baby (3 lbs 10 oz) the smallest on record in the Harpenden hospital at the time (December 7th 1948). I believe the grave yard is no longer in use as there is a more modern one up at Stopsley, I think. Address is Church Cemetry on the hill close by the St.Mary's Parish church, Row O 18 Sectiion 9. Unfortunately I cannot go there to keep it tidy as I now live in the USA. Owen

Ain't it always the way???? Good luck Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandford Jeremy-jsandfo1" <Jerry.Sandford@motorola.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:28 AM Subject: RE: [BDF] Lilly Robinson...Where did She Come From !! >I JUST KNEW..... > > ..The moment I submitted the query, I'd find an answer....more > transcription errors. > > I'm pretty sure I've found the GRO entry for the marriage now (Q2-1887, > Luton Vol 3b, Pg 725). Details, JUST IN CASE it is of interest to > anyone else. > > "freeBMD" (and any list using this as its source) do not list "George > Fowler". But, "1837online.com" do, at the reference given above. > > Cross referring this page on "freeBMD" shows a "Louisa Robinson", as the > only entry from this page. Checking the image shows it actually is > "Lily". Louisa has bee mis-transcribed from the line below. Correction > submitted to BMD. > > The moral of course......check ALL sources, before engaging > despair...hopefully the birth certificate will now solve my query. > > Warm Regards to All > > Jerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sandford Jeremy-jsandfo1 > Sent: 02 February 2006 09:34 > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] Lilly Robinson...Where did She Come From !! > > Hi All, > > Am seeking someone, with a vested interest perhaps, who may be able to > help me with another problem. > > I am trying to confirm the paternal line for my Gt Grandmother, one Lily > (Lillie)Robinson, who later married George Fowler, Both of Houghton > Regis, I believe. > > My "Assumed" (Lillie) first appears on the scene, in the 1871 Census for > Houghton Regis, as the G-Daughter of Thomas Robinson. Born c1870, in > Houghton. She then disappears again, until she appears on my > Grandmother's (Edith Fowler) Birth certificate 5 Apr 1892 (now Lily), (I > have the original copy given to them by the registrar, so I at least > know that is accurate!!) > > I have searched all on-line records I can find, but try as I may, I can > not located her before or after 1871. No Birth Record, residence, > possible Father, etc. Neither can I locate any record of her marriage to > George Fowler > > Thomas's only listed son in the 1851, is George (Robinson), and although > he seems to survive and marry, he does not appear to be Lily's father. > But was there another son ?? (41 census perhaps) ?. The census records > for this family are a bit convoluted, and I know for a fact there are > transcription errors, on "Ancestry" at least. > > I very vaguely remember my "Great Grandma Fowler", from my childhood and > I have a photo, so I know she existed........BUT where did she come from > ??? > > I know how some of you guys love to unravel these problems, so any > information, ideas, or even wild guesses appreciated. > > Very Best Regards > > > Jerry Sandford > > Senior Technical Training Instructor > Technical Training > Network Services and Applications Management > Telephone: ++44(0)1793 568361 > Email: Jerry.Sandford@Motorola.com <mailto:Jerry.Sandford@Motorola.com> > > Http://www.motorola.com/networksupport > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a > digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. >

Yes, Pete, he is documented! In Roxton, there is a John DARRINGTON listed on the National Defence Muster list in 1803 as an unmarried thatcher [age not given] in Roxton. Cornelius DARRINGTON as a 36 year old married labourer with 3 children under 10 [it says he was 'infirm']. Also, John DARRINGTON, Senior [your man, I think?] is listed as a 51 year old thatcher in Roxton with 2 children under 10. So I think this was, at least, his second marriage? My source is the Muster lists published by BHRS. I think there may be Wills for this family but the archivist will let you know if you e mail her, one way or the other. If John left a Wil,l that might be useful to pin-point his various children? cathy

Replied to on cross post on RootsChat BCKLAVITER <bcklaviter@comcast.net> a écrit : Dear List: Would really appreciate a 1841 Census look up on the following family and anyone else that would be in the household at the time: John Collins (age unknown to me) wife: Jane nee Jones COLLINS bn abt 1798 Bedford; Married to John 12/30 1817 Bedford St Paul children: Wm (1819) Alfred (1820, Eliza (1829), Edwin (1833) John (1836) & Ellen (1839) In both the 1851 & 1861 Census, Jane (widow) and Children were living @ St Paul Sq, Bedford St Paul. Thank you, Betty Childs Klaviter bcklaviter@comcast.net ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Don't forget that the enumerator could only put down what he was told, and many people born pre 1837 would have no paper work to show their age: many of those born in 1837 + may have lost their certificates, and many could not read them anyway. So ages in Census fit where they touch, but are more reliable than ages at death/burial, when often the only person with the true knowledge is in the coffin! Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- >> > > Yes, thanks for that. Sometimes the ages seem to be 'spot on' with other > documents and sometimes really wide off the mark. Sometimes the census > people > gave the right age and sometimes they are wildly inaccurate? > > Best thing is to marry the 1841 data with other sources - I don't think > the > census people knew they were 'Victorians' in 1841! But who else than > Victorians > would even think of rounding peoples' ages off to 5? Can't see the point > of > it? >

Chris, The exact instructions to the enumerators were: "Write the age of every person under 15 years as is is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is. Thus -- For Persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15 | 35 years and under 40 write 35 | 55 years and under 60 write 55 20 years and under 25 write 20 | 40 years and under 45 write 40 | 60 years and under 65 write 60 25 years and under 30 write 25 | 45 years and under 50 write 45 | 65 years and under 70 write 65 30 years and under 35 write 30 | 50 years and under 55 write 50 | 70 years and under 75 write 70 and so up to the greatest ages If no more cam be ascertained respecting the age of any person then that the person is a child or is grown up, write "under 20" or above 20: as the case may be." Thus all ages above 15 were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest multiple of 5. All you can say about your couple is that their ages were at least 40 and no more than 45. Ian Fisk http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~fiski > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Roberts [mailto:c.robertsis@rogers.com] > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2006 4:14 p.m. > To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BDF] Recorded Ages on the 1841 > > After seeing the ages on the 1841 census for the Stanbridge couple, > Richard and Hannah Holtum, that I had asked about,--gratefully helped > by Kevin and Peter--I am now asking about their recorded ages. > > I noticed that all of the adults on the 1841 Stanbridge census have a > rounded off ages to the nearest 5. I do remember something being said > about this being done on this first census, but have found that this is > not always so. However, in the Stanbridge case, it is with all of the > adults enumerated. > > Does anyone out there know the rule for this. For example, my couple > are both listed at age 45. Does that mean that they were simply nearer > to 45 than 40--say 43 or 44? A small detail, I know, but of > interest. > > Thank you, > Chris in Ontario > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > Bedfordshire at Rootsweb > http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/

Cathy - thanks very much indeed. I'll have a good look at this. All the best Rachel -----Original Message----- From: AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com [mailto:AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com] Sent: 02 February 2006 10:52 To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] RE: Moving from Suffolk Rachel Try rootschat.com as there is no index for 1841 etc and I thought there was a 1851 index for everywhere but there isnt! http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?board=1 cathy ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com

Hello Donna My ggg grandfather, John, married a Sarah Bird at Houghton Conquest in 1758. According to my records she was the daughter of Francis and Elizabeth Bird and Francis may well have been a son of George. I'm not sure how Henry Seabrook fits in with the other Seabrooks in Houghton Conquest - perhaps he is a brother of the above John's grandfather, also a John, who married a Martha Wells at Lidlington in 1698? Would be interested to hear about your connection to the Seabrooks and Birds. Regards Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Bailey" <donnabailey77@hotmail.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: [BDF] SEABROOK ELLIS BIRD HOPKINS of Houghton Conquest > Hi again guys, > > Does anyone have these names in Houghton Conquest? I am tracing these > couples: > > George BIRD m.3 May 1675 Elizabeth HOPKINS > > Henry SEABROOK m.4 Aug 1717 Mary ELLIS (ALICE) > > If anyone has a connection I'd love to hear from you. > > All the best, > Donna > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a > digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.7/160 - Release Date: 03/11/2005 > >

Something else to remember is that some, a minority, of war memorials are also rolls of honour, and list those who served and survived as well as those who died. Many rolls of honour, especially during and after the South African and First World Wars, less so after WW2, were issued as books, especially by corporate bodies like regiments, schools, colleges, professions, large firms and companies, parishes, counties, and so forth. Has anyone attempted to collate / collect these, list them and index them? I have not yet come across such a bibliography or index, even in the research library catalogues. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MACLIP FSA(Scot) Edinburgh, Scotland peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching FRESHWATER, SWINGLER, BRUCE, PERKINS, FOLWELL, NEWCOMB(E) (Beds, Leics, Northants) HAUGHAN, RICHARDSON (Cumbria, Durham) DOW, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY, JACKSON, McDOUGALL (Angus, Perthshire, Glasgow)