Sorry Bedford List, My last email should have gone directly to Jill but I forgot to change the heading. However, should anyone else be after me and cannot get through they are welcome to use the hotmail address as well. Sue Given

Hi Jill, I forgot to mention. I had to change my email address as I was having trouble with the server/ISP ? It may happen again, so failing all else there is my hotmail address which seems to work, I just have to remember to check it, which I do probably once a week. I also have the messenger thingy on the hotmail address. I use this one to talk to my daughter in NZ over the computer lines, much cheaper than a phone call. Sue suegiven@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jill Blain" <jill.blain1@btopenworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 11:07 AM Subject: [BDF] E-mail address needed > Hi Folks, > > Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sue Given ? I have just had an > e-mail bounce back from suegiven@wizardtechs.net > > Thanks > > Jill > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box > > >

Hi Folks, Does anyone have an e-mail address for Sue Given ? I have just had an e-mail bounce back from suegiven@wizardtechs.net Thanks Jill

Doreen Have found following down in 1941 census index for Wandsworth & Clapham Brixton: Charles Hine 45 Elizabeth 45 William 20 Thomas 15 Mary 11 Isabella 9 Henry 7 Frederick 5 John 4 George 15mths Hope this maybe of some use. Jane

Subject: Re: [BDF] BENNETT HELP PLEASE > Hmm I think that you mean Elizabeth b 1794 not 1894 and yes it was written > as Beds Hampshire which is wrong........ > Hmm this says that she married in Chelsea in 1813 so that won't help either see > attachment. > There is one Elizabeth Bennet christened 7/9/1794 Hursley, Hampshire to a > Moses Bennet and Elizabeth.- this is shown on the LDS site. > Nothing for one from Beds there. > So hope this helps a bit. > Eunice - Melbourne > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doreen" <dfr@tsn.cc> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:23 PM > Subject: [BDF] BENNETT HELP PLEASE > > > > Hi to all on the list, I have a Elizabeth Bennett b 1894 Hampshire > Bedfordshire married to a Charles Hine b 1793 Wandsworth and on the 1851 > Surrey census they have her born in Hampshire Bedfordshire, I have been > unable to find the place or has the transcriber made a mistake or am I doing > something wrong. > > Would appreciate any help given with this brick wall I have stumbled > across. > > Regards Doreen from OZ > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > > >

Thank you Eunice & Peter for all your help on the place of birth for Elizabeth Bennett. Eunice I will check the IGI for her birth now I know where to look. Thank you. Peter for bringing it to my attention about the Bennett marriage as I had Frederick Hine married to Charlotte Hockham, will have to check that one out, plus Rootsweb I haven't seen. yet Thanks to all. Cheers Doreen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2006 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] BENNETT HELP PLEASE > Doreen posted > > << I have a Elizabeth Bennett b 1794 married to a Charles Hine b > 1793 Wandsworth and on the 1851 Surrey census they have her born in > Hampshire Bedfordshire, I have been unable to find the place. >> > > Obviously Hampshire and Bedfordshire are two different counties. So > there is some problem. > > I wonder if someone could find the couple in 1841 Census although > I'm not sure if London is available. > > Wandsworth is on the southern side of the Thames and so is quite > possibly listed as Surrey, but is now classified as Greater London. There > are quite a number of Hine families in Wandsworth in 1861, but no obvious > Charles + Elizabeth. On Free BMD there is a possible death for Eliza in > 1857 and for Charles in 1863, but these would need proving. > > I could not find any BDM events for Charles + Elizabeth or their > children from 1790-1850 on IGI. I wonder if Doreen has any other > information on children possibly from 1851 Census. > > Interestingly the HINE + BENNETT link occurs again in Dec 1856 with > the marriage of Frederick HINE to Charlotte BENNETT in Kensington. It is > possibly a case of second or third cousins marrying. This family is > recorded partially at Rootsweb - Family Trees > > Peter in Sydney > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a > digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > >

Doreen posted << I have a Elizabeth Bennett b 1794 married to a Charles Hine b 1793 Wandsworth and on the 1851 Surrey census they have her born in Hampshire Bedfordshire, I have been unable to find the place. >> Obviously Hampshire and Bedfordshire are two different counties. So there is some problem. I wonder if someone could find the couple in 1841 Census although I'm not sure if London is available. Wandsworth is on the southern side of the Thames and so is quite possibly listed as Surrey, but is now classified as Greater London. There are quite a number of Hine families in Wandsworth in 1861, but no obvious Charles + Elizabeth. On Free BMD there is a possible death for Eliza in 1857 and for Charles in 1863, but these would need proving. I could not find any BDM events for Charles + Elizabeth or their children from 1790-1850 on IGI. I wonder if Doreen has any other information on children possibly from 1851 Census. Interestingly the HINE + BENNETT link occurs again in Dec 1856 with the marriage of Frederick HINE to Charlotte BENNETT in Kensington. It is possibly a case of second or third cousins marrying. This family is recorded partially at Rootsweb - Family Trees Peter in Sydney

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Hi to all on the list, I have a Elizabeth Bennett b 1894 Hampshire Bedfordshire married to a Charles Hine b 1793 Wandsworth and on the 1851 Surrey census they have her born in Hampshire Bedfordshire, I have been unable to find the place or has the transcriber made a mistake or am I doing something wrong. Would appreciate any help given with this brick wall I have stumbled across. Regards Doreen from OZ

Hi Donna Just to add to Pete's message, Judith is described as widow in the burial entry, and there is a burial of William Lane, ale-draper, on 14 Sept 1786 There are no other burials between 1730- 1780 that are described as child of Wm and Judith Regards David Pete and Vida <prbvtb@btinternet.com> a écrit : Hi Donna, According to my records Judith was buried in 1793 but no sign of William. Burial Date Forename Surname Age CountyPlace / Details 24 Oct 1793 Judith LANE Bedfordshire Husborne Crawley, St Mary Magdalene & St James Hope this helps a bit. Pete. ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Bedfordshire at Rootsweb http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/ --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Hi Donna, According to my records Judith was buried in 1793 but no sign of William. Burial Date Forename Surname Age CountyPlace / Details 24 Oct 1793 Judith LANE Bedfordshire Husborne Crawley, St Mary Magdalene & St James Hope this helps a bit. Pete.

Hi everyone, I have a John LANE bpt.26 sep 1731 in Husborne Crawley, s/o William LANE and Judith HUCKLE m.24 oct 1730 in Husborne Crawley. I can't find any other children for them so I was hoping someone may be able to check the burials to see if William or Judith died shortly after John was born. Thank you so much for your time, Donna

Hi listers With the talk of Maulden I thought I would post my research interest in that parish. The earliest ancestor was John EMERTON / EMMERTON, hemp dresser, married to Grace (maiden name unknown) and who had a family of ten children baptised in Maulden between 1752 and 1768 of whom five died as infants. Their daughter Grace married John BRIANT in 1776 John EMERTON's eldest son Stephen 1753-1780 (he didn't last very long either!) married Kitty PARKER in Maulden in 1775 and had two sons Stephen & Edward. Kitty was born in Flitton and evidently returned there after her husband's death as she married Thomas STUDMAN there in 1789. Stephen EMERTON Jr married Elizabeth HUNT in 1802 in Flitton and Edward married Mary WATTS in 1801 in Flitton. Edward settled in the Silsoe area. Would be interested to hear from anyone with knowledge of this family. Regards Kerrie

Hello All I have just joined the list and am researching the Northwood family in Maulden and Bedford. I was recently told that in 1835/37 and 39 25% of the population of Maulden died of some sort of epidemic and wonder if anyone knows anything about it or has any ideas what the epidemic might have been. Regards Deb Chambers

In a message dated 3/9/06 7:19:26 PM GMT Standard Time, deb@dchambers5.wanadoo.co.uk writes: > I was recently told that in 1835/37 and 39 25% of the population of Maulden > died of some sort of epidemic and wonder if anyone knows anything about it > or has any ideas what the epidemic might have been. > > Deb, Mid Beds tended to be quite lucky in that respect as they didnt have the river polution that villages to the east had [down river of Bedford] . 1832/3 was the year of the big cholera epidemic - later in the 1860s it was typhoid. However, there are anecdotal references to influenza in the years [1835/7] you are interested in and it seemed to be a widespread epidemic throughout the country rather than local to Bedfordshire. Try a subject search at Beds Archives. http://blars.adlibsoft.com/form.html cathy Ps: I will be in touch off-list re one branch of Maulden NORTHWOODs

Hi Vanessa There was a long thread on Samuel Underwood on the rootschat board a few months ago http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,77530.0.html regards David Vanessa <family@5fords.co.uk> a écrit : Hi everyone I'm trying to find out more about my UNDERWOOD family who lived in Luton area Lydia Underwood born 6 July 1852 in Burr Street Luton and her Father Samuel UNDERWOOD from Clophill, born about 1822 Can anyone help? Simon Ford Portsmouth ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Enter Bedford in the box --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

Hi everyone I'm trying to find out more about my UNDERWOOD family who lived in Luton area Lydia Underwood born 6 July 1852 in Burr Street Luton and her Father Samuel UNDERWOOD from Clophill, born about 1822 Can anyone help? Simon Ford Portsmouth

Does anyone happen to have any information on David Wells, b ca 1865, Shefford, Beds, son of James Wells, that m Isabella Odell, b ca 1856, Shefford, Biggleswade, dau of George Odell that d before 1881, and Isabella b ca 1838 Shefford Biggleswade, and d MarQ1909 in Biggleswade? the m 1Nov1884 in Shefford. David was an ag laborer, Isabella a straw plaitter. 1891 and 1901 Census records only list one dau, Maude Wells b ca 1889. I suspect there were other children, but after a lot of hunting, have not come up with anything conclusive. appreciate any rumors, tidbits, hints, clues, etc Sandee sandee@ionet.net

In message <001201c6418e$0f62c310$44b337d2@scoop2600>, Betty Lark <lark.nelson@xtra.co.nz> writes >Hi Listers, >I am trying to establish where Joseph READ bap.c1747 came from, Joseph READ m. >18 Oct. 1780 Lidlington Sarah PLUMMER This was rather a late marriage - I wonder if he was in the army first. >and Joseph READ died in Lidlington Apl. >1818 age given in the Register 71yrs. Ages at death are always liable to be wrong, because the person who knows best can't say/ It could be two or three yhears out. > I can not find any Joseph READ bap. >anywhere in Beds. around that time, there is a Joseph READ bap. in Watford >Herts. Would a young man need a Settlement Certificate, Technically, yes. In practice, if he seemed solvent and healthy, he might not be asked till this changed. If he could buy or rent a property of the annual value of 10 pounds, he would not need one. The time of marriage, and when old age took its toll are the most likely times of asking. > if so where would I >find this? Among the parish papers of the place where he lived at the time of asking. So the first check is if there is a useful collection for Lidlington (ask Beds Archives). > >Plus the READ family of Maulden, Bds. who were Farmers employing men. In which case, look for their wills - does one mention 'my son Joseph now in Lidlington'.? -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Beverley I have Wesley in Stanford on Avon / Woodhouse / Desford (Leics) from around 1650 (though running a different line to "the"John & Charles) right upto my g/father in Denton Manchester Richard -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Wesley [mailto:bwesley@microed.com.au] Sent: 06 March 2006 10:34 To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BDF] Wesley Family History Good Morning I have resumed tracing my family history. I am a descendent of Thomas Wesley, born between 1856-1858 in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire. I have found the following details on his parents on census records, however I have yet to confirm them with certificates. Father: Thomas Wesley born 1821 (1822) - Quarrendon, Buckinghamshier England, Died June Qtr 1885 - Aylesbury Buckinghamshire Mother: Sarah Wells born 1829 - Stanbridge, Bedford England, Died March QTR 1890 - Aylesbury Buckinghamshire. I would be interested in hearing from anyone who may have a connection to or have any information on this family. Thank You Beverley Wesley ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html