Prue Yes, I think it is. If you want a pic of it - please e mail the archivist at Bedford...she will let you know what there is. There is a potted history here: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=42387 Or try a search here for your family [I had a quick look for Slade House, Hinwick but couldnt find it but the records are not all added yet]: http://blars.adlibsoft.com/beginner/indnms.html cathy

Per the LDS microfilm 1042925, All Saints Church of England marriage records: Pg 23, No 69, Daniel Stephen Olivier, Clark, Widower of the Parish of Clifton, m Susannah Endersley, spinster of this parish. Married in this church by licence, 12May1821 by Edmd Williamson, Rector. The register was signed by both. Witnesses were William Endersby and Lucy ? (illegible) Sandee

>> >I stand corrected - thank you! :-) But what is meant by 'weakened' in this >context. I'm having difficulty making the leap from Etheldreda (or Aedelthred) >to Audrey. It looks pretty straightforward to me. Ae to E, common; - the bar d in Aedel (which I couldn't reproduce in basic character set) is halfway to 'th' already. d to th mutation, again common. And Ethelthreda or Etheldreda or Ethelreda to El or Al -drey and Audrey is also well known enough not to cause a problem. More or less any decent names book should have this. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

To: <SUSIE@qtpiehouse.fsnet.co.uk> Subject: 'woodland' and 'bunker' surnames from the bedfordshire rootsweb message board. Susie's email addy does not work. does anyone have susie's new addy. does anyone know who she is. marie.

Eve McLaughlin wrote: >Audrey is not Latin but the weakened version of the Saxon Aedelthred. - Etheldreda is the Latin version of the name and almost certainly, Audrey is what the child listed in baptisms as Etheldreda was named by her parents and would have been called daily. The register of baptisms may have been kept in Latin and only partly translated. > I stand corrected - thank you! :-) But what is meant by 'weakened' in this context. I'm having difficulty making the leap from Etheldreda (or Aedelthred) to Audrey. Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World

Dear Listers Has anyone got an address for Heather MacAllister please? The two e-mail addresses I got from the archives both bounced. TIA Phyll Clover New Zealand

Hi Marie The IGI is an index, made up of two components, controlled extracts from parish registers which are reliable, and member submissions which are anything but reliable. You have to sort the wheat from the chaff! If you know the parish you are researching and use the following link to access the IGI the chaff has been winnowed out http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle Any IGI entry with “about” as the date means either that the LDS member can’t find, or as is often the case hasn’t bothered to look for, the event in question. That’s why the marriage of William and Sarah has two dates: 1 Nov 1777 which is extracted, and “about 1797” which is garbage submitted by a member. With an actual marriage date of 1777 the births of William and Sarah have to be much earlier than the “about 1772” and “about 1766” you quote from the IGI member submissions. (the 1797 entry on the IGI may well have been submitted by a descendant of your 4xg grandfather - born 1798 - the submitter merely assumed they were married the year before Richard's birth, without checking to see if there earlier children). Narrowing down the baptisms you find William and Sarah have the 10 children you list, including William christened 1783. The IGI has a marriage in Millbrook on 28 Oct 1816 between William Woodland and Nanny Underwood, followed by a string of children of William and Ann from 1817 onwards. There were burials in Millbrook of William Woodland age 53 on 23 Dec 1807 Sarah Woodland age 58 on 7 Jan 1816 John Woodland age 55 on 17 Oct 1821 Ann Woodland age 73 on 20 Jan 1830 So the 1817 marriage was not on the face of it the William who married in 1777, and is likely therefore to have been his son christened 1783. You would need to check the parish register to see if there was any further detail which might help to identify him – names of witnesses for example, as at this time fathers’ names were not usually included. I’ve tried looking for him in the 1851 census but can’t see him - there was a widow Ann Woodland age 60 living in Yorkshire with a birthplace of Millbrook, so it’s possible they emigrated to Yorkshire after the births of the children in Millbrook. Were William born c 1754 and John born c1766 brothers? They might have been – there were no earlier Woodland entries in Millbrook parish register, so it doesn’t appear as though they were a Millbrook family. The IGI (controlled extracts!) shows baptisms at the right times in Asley Guise only 4 miles from Millbrook which would be worth investigating. You would need to check the marriage entries of both William and John to see if the parish register gives their residence as being a parish other than the one in which they were married (John may have married Ann Catton in 1788 in Lidlington, a mile from Millbrook towards Aspley Guise). But the IGI should be treated for what it is – an index; with all entries being checked with the parish register where extra information will be available. You also get burial information which can be invaluable, which you don’t get on the IGI (although you can check on http://www.familyhistoryonline.net for these). The LDS has filmed virtually all parish registers in Beds, and they are available on order from your nearest LDS Family History Centre – www.familysearch.org has a list of FHCs. Regards David H N <h.napier@gmail.com> a écrit : I have run into a huge brickwall trying to figure out the family of my GGGG grandfather. His name is RICHARD WOODLAND, born 21 Jan 1798, Millbrook, Bedfordshire. He is one of 10 children, birthyears of the children are 1778 to 1800 according to the IGI. His parents names (IGI) are WILLIAM WOODLAND born 1772? and SARAH LITCHFIELD born 1766?, married 1 Nov.1777/97?(IGI) Millbrook. I found a JOHN WOODLAND and ANN, also resided in Millbrook, the birth years of their children are 1792-1804. I also found a WILLIAM WOODLAND born 1790 and ANN born 1792, also from Millbrook. their children's birthyears are 1817 to 1835?, all information from IGI and freebmd. I would like to find out if and how the JOHN and WILLIAM and WILLIAM are related. of if the IGI has the names and dates mixed up or completely wrong and the 2 Williams are one and the same person. Possibility of John and one of the William's being brothers? the childrens names according to IGI and freebmd are as follows: CHILDREN of 1772 WILLIAM: THOMAS,KITTY,WILLIAM,ELIZABETH,SARAH,MARTHA,ANN, MARY, RICHARD,SUSANNAH. CHILDREN of 1790 WILLIAM: MARY,JOHN,CATHERINE, JAMES, RICHARD, SARAH, MARTHA, THOMAS, WILLIAM CHILDREN of JOHN: MARY,JOHN, FLOWERS,PHOEBE,ANN, MARTHA. any help is appreciated. thank you marie, canada ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates our info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com --------------------------------- Nouveau : téléphonez moins cher avec Yahoo! Messenger ! Découvez les tarifs exceptionnels pour appeler la France et l'international.Téléchargez la version beta.

My great grandfather was the local Blacksmith in Little Staughton during 1871/82. He then for some reason took all his family to Hull to live in very poor housing. He continued to be a Blacksmith but I do not know where. He was born in Little Staughton circa 1843. He is shown on the 1851 living with his parents Jacob and Mary Jackens. The address was Bottom End Little Staughton. I can find Top End and Green End of the maps of Little Staughton but no Bottom End. Any ideas? Also does anyone know of any photographs of the Blacksmiths shop/smithy and does this shop still exist today? Does anyone know why a blacksmith would suddenly take his whole family to live in a completely different part of the country when all the Jeakins/Jackins etc all stayed in Bedfordshire. Any information would be appreciated. Regards Linda Cooke

Eve McLaughlin wrote: >That sounds much more likely - and Etheldred was the latinised version > >of Audrey. > I think it was the other way round - Audrey was the Latinised (Norman French, most likely) version of the Anglo-Saxon Etheldred - not that it makes any difference to your conclusions. :-) Lila. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * An Fhirinne in aghaidh an tSaoil - The Truth Against the World

> >>That sounds much more likely - and Etheldred was the latinised version >> >>of Audrey. >> >I think it was the other way round - Audrey was the Latinised (Norman >French, most likely) version of the Anglo-Saxon Etheldred - not that it >makes any difference to your conclusions. :-) Audrey is not Latin but the weakened version of the Saxon Aedelthred. - Etheldreda is the Latin version of the name and almost certainly, Audrey is what the child listed in baptisms as Etheldreda was named by her parents and would have been called daily. The register of baptisms may have been kept in Latin and only partly translated. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

(Date) (Name/Item) (Amount) Brot Forwd 10/3/6 July 30th Wid Goodman & Child 4/ Ford 3/ 0/7/0 W Seamour 1/ T Harney 3/ Cruchly 6/6 0/10/6 W Foot 3/ T Stacy for shoes 2/ 0/5/0 Luke James ill 8/ W Hoten 9/ 0/17/0 Jno Cooper 5/ Geo Boss 2/3 Wiles 2/3 0/9/6 T Clark 2/3 W Bolls 4/3 0/6/6 T Harney 1/6 T Pindard 7/ 0/8/6 W Baxter 5/ T Jones 3/ 0/8/0 Jos Curslely 6/ Wid Goodman and Child 4/ 0/10/0 Wid Teat 3/ T Stacy 3/ 0/6/0 Luke James 5/ Jno Squires 3/6 0/8/6 Wid Durden 2/6 T James 6/ 0/8/6 Jno Jakes 2/ Spen Minney 4/ 0/6/0 Jno Cooper 2/ James Millard 1/ 0/3/0 Mary Price 7/ W Dean 1/6 0/8/6 Jno James 1/ Ann Goodliff 1/ 0/2/0 Pd W Hoten 5/ Matt Giblett 4/ 0/9/0 W Ford 3/ Seamour 1/ Sar Emery 1/ 0/5/0 Ma Darrington 2/ Crow's Child 1/6 0/3/6 Geo Hopkins 7/ Luke James 8/ 0/15/0 James Jones 6 W Hoten 9/ Miney 3/ 0/18/0 Jno Cooper 2/ T Pindard 2/ 0/4/0 W Hoten 5/ W Dean 2/ 0/7/0 Mat Gilbert 4/ W Baxter 5/ 0/9/0 Luke James 5/ Spen Miney 4/ 0/9/0 James Millard 1/ Jno Cooper 2/ 0/3/0 W Bowls 4/3 Jno Squires 3/9 0/8/0 Jno Jakes 2/ Ma Price 7/ 0/9/0 Geo Boss 2/3 T Clark 2/3 0/4/6 W Wiles 2/3 T Pindard 7/ 0/9/3 Wid Durden 2/6 Seamour 1/ 0/3/6 W Ford 3/ T Harney 2/ Curchly 6/ 0/11/0 Goodman's Child 4/ W Teat 3/ 0/7/0 T Stacy 3/6 Jno Jones 1/ 0/4/6 Ann Goodliff 1/ Ma Darrington 2/ 0/3/0 Sarah Emery 1/ T James 6/ 0/7/0 James Jones 3/ Luke James 8/ 0/11/0 Aug 9 Spenr Minney 8/ W Hoten 8/ 0/16/0 Thos Pindard 8/ 0/8/0 Woodld Total up to the 14th of August 25/12/3

Hi everyone, Does anyone know which HUCKLE family William HUCKLE who married Mary FANNE on 24 jun 1721 in Clifton belongs to? All the best, Donna

In message <00b701c65590$eee9d030$1002a8c0@PATSLAPTOP>, pat powell <slappyknight@ntlworld.com> writes > I have found a record of Henry Fage marrying a Winnie Etheldred in St Giles >Cripplegate, in 1623, although they were both from Sandy in Beds as far as I >know. There is also a record with all the same info except the brides name is >Etheldred Winne. That sounds much more likely - and Etheldred was the latinised version of Audrey. >I've looked for further records and found a Ethelreda Wynn >Christening: 27 DEC 1599 Stotfold, Bedford, England. well, that does tend to confirm the version. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hello, Some time since I have been active on this List .. Could somebody who lives in Bedford tell me whether No.8 Cemetery Road, St Peter, Bedford is still standing. My great grandmother died at that home address. If a digital camera is available I'd love a photo of the home if it still exists. Thank you very much in advance for any help. Hilary Scott, NSW.

I have found a record of Henry Fage marrying a Winnie Etheldred in St Giles Cripplegate, in 1623, although they were both from Sandy in Beds as far as I know. There is also a record with all the same info except the brides name is Etheldred Winne. I've looked for further records and found a Ethelreda Wynn Christening: 27 DEC 1599 Stotfold, Bedford, England. Although I have searched loads of different sites using all variants of the names I cannot find any further info. I know this is a long shot but does anyone have any info on any of these surnames please?

According to http://www.progenealogists.com/genealogynews.htm there will be a conference on Genealogy Genealogy News and Family History Events 1-5 September 2006 - Northampton, England. Putting Flesh on the Bones: a study of the common man A conference organized jointly by Bedfordshire & Northamptonshire Family History Societies in association with the Federation of Family History Societies will be held at University College. Program and further details available soon from http://www.conference2006.org.uk or e-mail bookings@conference2006.org.uk Carole

Thanks for that Peter. The main Wing LATHWELL researcher listed on Rootsweb I have already been in contact with in the past, and we have tidied up her records of my particular branch! But there are a couple of new people on there that I will definitely get in touch with, so thanks for the heads up. Regards Alex --- Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Alex, > > The name caught my eye because I have minor > Butcher links in > Bedfordshireabout the same era. But I can find no > connections to your Henry. > > However, if you go to www.rootsweb.com , > click on family trees and > search for Lathwell, you will find your Henry listed > there with a deal of > other information about that family in Wing. There > are also some Lathwell > researchers that you may or may not know. > > Peter > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this > list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Thanks to all who replied to this. Steven we may well have been down this route before and I apologise if we have, only my Laptop with tree and research files was stolen and I had to start again with a lot of stuff. So I will apologise in advance if I ask things for a second time. Thanks again for the repiles Pat > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > Enter Bedford in the box >

Alex, The name caught my eye because I have minor Butcher links in Bedfordshireabout the same era. But I can find no connections to your Henry. However, if you go to www.rootsweb.com , click on family trees and search for Lathwell, you will find your Henry listed there with a deal of other information about that family in Wing. There are also some Lathwell researchers that you may or may not know. Peter

Hi everyone I'm new to the list, have just popped over the border from Bucks to ask a question. I'm currently researching the LATHWELL family of Wing, Bucks, and am keen to locate a marriage between Henry/Harry LATHWELL and an Ann - they were baptising children in Wing from 1788. The IGI has some patron submissions suggesting there is a marriage in Chalgrave Beds on 16 Nov 1787 between Henry LATHWELL and Ann BUTCHER. I'd be extremely grateful if someone could confirm or deny whether this marriage does in fact exist in the Chalgrave parish registers (it isn't in the exracted IGI batch), and let me know the full details if there's anything more to tell. I'm also undertaking a one-place study of Wing, so if anyone has people that may have ventured over thataways, please get in touch! Regards Alex Coles in Auckland NZ http://www.wing-ops.org.uk/ Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com