Saturday is the day - when the Bucks Genealogical Society presents its great annual feast of research material - a lot of new things this year, with many facsimile censuses from all over, masses of directories of towns and counties, and useful indexes like the London Watermen 1400s to 1949, Irish wills abstracts, scads of criminals (such *interesting* ancestors), all the Bedford registers, almost all Bucks, many for Oxford and unexpected ones down south, like Stoke on Trent, Colton, Brodsworth, kenfig, Taxall, Lavenham, Mansfield, etc, etc. We have a Bcuks research room, including not only masses of books and transcripts, but an exhibition of historic photos of Waddesdon, Quainton etc, abd the Wolverton Local History group with their own useful material. We have a lacemaker showing the craft which occupied so many Bucks women in the past; S&N (British Data Archive) computer software, and masses of books, guides etc from our own bookstall and West Surrey, who have, as well as Surrey, the finest collection of London material and research guides available. We have ordered fine weather - and the venue, the Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury, off Churchill Ave, just down the road from Stoke Mandeville Hospital, is very easy to find (signposted all round the town, then follow the arrows. Open 10am to 4pm - with something for absolutely everyone (well, unless you have ancestors from Uttar Pradesh, where the details might be limited. Talks by Eve, Barney Tyrwhitt-Drake and Julian Hunt and expert advice available all day. Ample parking, light refreshments - and a happy buzz, judging by previous years. -- Eve McLaughlin Author of the McLaughlin Guides for family historians Secretary Bucks Genealogical Society

Hi Jerry There are no Hides in Old Warden at that period per the PR transcript, and I'm afraid I don't buy the Biggleswade William theory. The ages of 60 and 71 in the censuses both point to 1780+/-. There was also a William Hide buried in Biggleswade in 1792 but there's no age quoted so reference to the PR would be necessary to see if there are any further details eg son of Richard and Elizabeth. What puzzles me is the Herts county birthplace in 1851 and Not born in Beds in 1841. What if...Herts is correct and Old Warden is a misenumeration? Could it conceivably have been Kings Walden for example - was there part of the parish that was known as Old Walden? (I don't know Herts). Kings Walden has the advantage of being much closer to Houghton Regis than Old Warden. The problem is that whilst Kings Walden has been extracted onto the IGI there's no William Hide! But it's an alternative hypothesis. Regards David Sandford Jeremy-jsandfo1 <Jerry.Sandford@motorola.com> a écrit : Hi listers all... Am trying to trace the parentage of one "William Hide", Spouse of Elizabeth Newman, who married 12 Apr 1803 in Houghton Regis. 1851 census cites William as being born abt 1781 in "Old Warden, Herts".....With 1841 stating residence in Houghton and born "Out of County". However, the closest IGI match I can find for him is a Christening in "Biggleswade, Beds" in 1786...being the seventh child of Richard Hide and Elizabeth Chamberlain. Now from my days at RAF Henlow in the 70's, I recall Old Warden and Biggleswade being fairly Adjacent, but is Old Warden actually (or was it at the time) Beds or Herts ??. And would Old Warden events have been recorded at Biggleswade ? If anyone has access to records or perhaps personal links that could confirm or rule out my hypothesis, would love to hear from you. Best Regards Jerry Sandford ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire.

Hello Jeremy, Old Warden was "always" BDF. It was an "Ancient Parish" and in Wixamtree Hundred - and from the introduction of Poor Law Unions, was in Biggleswade Union. Biggleswade was also an "Ancient Parish" of BDF - and in 'it's own' Hundred. Both Houghton Conquest and Houghton Regis were each further "Ancient Parishes" of BDF - Conquest in Redbourne Hundred / Ampthill PLU; Regis in Manshead Hundred / Luton PLU. You don't give an exact date for the William baptised in Biggleswade in 1786. I can't tell if that was all that was shown, but if it was, then it sounds like a "Patron Submission" and thus quite possibly an unsupported guess. A further point is that in the 1851 Census his age was evidently stated as "70" - a suspiciously round number, and which could have been a guess by the Enumerator. [I accept that there's a 1 in 10 chance of his ACTUALLY being 70 - but I'd not want to rely on odds of that nature :-) HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandford Jeremy-jsandfo1" <Jerry.Sandford@motorola.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:14 PM Subject: [BDF] RE: Old Warden...Beds or Herts ? Hi listers all... Am trying to trace the parentage of one "William Hide", Spouse of Elizabeth Newman, who married 12 Apr 1803 in Houghton Regis. 1851 census cites William as being born abt 1781 in "Old Warden, Herts".....With 1841 stating residence in Houghton and born "Out of County". However, the closest IGI match I can find for him is a Christening in "Biggleswade, Beds" in 1786...being the seventh child of Richard Hide and Elizabeth Chamberlain. Now from my days at RAF Henlow in the 70's, I recall Old Warden and Biggleswade being fairly Adjacent, but is Old Warden actually (or was it at the time) Beds or Herts ??. And would Old Warden events have been recorded at Biggleswade ? If anyone has access to records or perhaps personal links that could confirm or rule out my hypothesis, would love to hear from you. Best Regards Jerry Sandford ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages individually or want them individually) or Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple messages or want this mode) In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe.

Hi listers all... Am trying to trace the parentage of one "William Hide", Spouse of Elizabeth Newman, who married 12 Apr 1803 in Houghton Regis. 1851 census cites William as being born abt 1781 in "Old Warden, Herts".....With 1841 stating residence in Houghton and born "Out of County". However, the closest IGI match I can find for him is a Christening in "Biggleswade, Beds" in 1786...being the seventh child of Richard Hide and Elizabeth Chamberlain. Now from my days at RAF Henlow in the 70's, I recall Old Warden and Biggleswade being fairly Adjacent, but is Old Warden actually (or was it at the time) Beds or Herts ??. And would Old Warden events have been recorded at Biggleswade ? If anyone has access to records or perhaps personal links that could confirm or rule out my hypothesis, would love to hear from you. Best Regards Jerry Sandford

Hi Stella The time frame for my research is before 1558, as Thomas Hillersdon married in Toddington in 1558 to Joan Potts and I am unable to find his birth or his father. It is probable that he was born in the Bedfordshire or Buckinghamshire areas but am unable to get past this wall. Thank you for your quick reply and the information you have sent as it is very useful to me for my research. Thank you Jan Hilsdon, Toowoomba, Australia

Also don't forget The Howard Chapel and or the Bunyan Chapel up in Bedford . Also non conformist. You did not give a time frame. As far as I am aware The Bunyan Chapel is still, for the want of a better word, operating. My father's family were members there late 1800s early to mid 1900s. with baptisms, marriages and funerals conducted there. Cheers Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "douglas.smith" <douglas.smith@ntlworld.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] "Toddington" > There were several non-conformist chapels in Toddington and still are more > than one I believe. Methodists were particularly strong in more than one > chapel - the records are now mostly held at the Bedfordshire and Luton > Record Office at Bedford. Toddington was in the Dunstable Circuit for > Wesleyan Methodists and many records will be found in a book for the > Dustable Circuit. > > I think there was also a Baptist Chapel and Salvation Army at some periods. > Also more Methodist Chapels in the surrounding villages some only 2-3 miles > from Toddington. > > Very few records (and parish registers) remain in hands of the original > churches that produced them since there is a law that requires them to be > surrendered. > > Most of the early records are copied to the I.G.I. which is online. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards > > Douglas Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janet Hilsdon" <jthilsdon@optusnet.com.au> > To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:42 AM > Subject: [BDF] "Toddington" > > > > Hi If anyone can let me know if there was a 'non conformist church' near > > Toddington that I could get church records from so I can try and find the > > birth of Thomas Hillersdon I would be grateful. > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. >

Hi David In 1851 she was age 19 living in Clifton with her husband William Dunton, 22, who gave his birthplace as Southill (they married in Clifton), and in 1861 she was age 28 birthplace Clifton, with William still birthplace Southill, age 32 Also in Clifton in 1851 HO107/1753 folio 460A Thomas Stanbridge head marr 55 carpenter b Shefford Sophia Stanbridge wife 56 b Meppershall Ann Stanbridge dau unmarr 23 b Clifton Elizabeth Stanbridge dau 15 b Shefford Looking in Clifton in 1841 HO107/003-06 folio 15B Clifton Rd Houses, Clifton Thomas Stanbridge 40 carpenter Sophia Stanbridge 40 Henry Stanbridge 20 bricklayer John Stanbridge 15 sawyer Thomas 10; Ann 8; Mary 6; Kate 4; Elizabeth 3 All born in county Whilst Kate’s age is adrift I can’t see any other candidates According to the BVRI a William Dunton, son of James and Lucey Dunton was christened at Southill on 31 May 1829 (I have this family in my own tree – Lucy was Lucy Sabey from Southill). The Duntons were members of Southill Baptist Church, and there is a big hole between c1700 and c1800 where I have been unable to fit them together. They were in Southill in 1700 and still there in 1800; what happened in between is a mystery! Campton (which included Shefford) parish register has not been extracted onto the IGI post 1812 so you need to check the microfilm to see if Catherine was baptised, and if the 1841 family is the right one Regards David David Dunton <davidmdunton@fsmail.net> a écrit : Hi, Does anyone know who the parents, siblings etc of Catherine were please? She married William Dunton in 1850 also born in Shefford. An IGI marriage record has Catherines father as Thomas Stanbridge. Regards, David ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Bedfordshire Towns and Villages: http://www.rootsweb.com/~engbdf/placeindex.html --------------------------------- Faites de Yahoo! votre page d'accueil sur le web pour retrouver directement vos services préférés : vérifiez vos nouveaux mails, lancez vos recherches et suivez l'actualité en temps réel. Cliquez ici.

Thanks for looking Mary Lou. David ======================================== Message Received: May 08 2006, 05:06 PM From: "Mary Lou Jones" To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [BDF] Catherine STANBRIDGE abt. 1833 in Shefford Hi David I looked for your Catherine Stanbridge on the 1841 census with variable spellings and couldn't see her at all. Then I browsed the Shefford census pages and nothing was readable on ancestry.com images. Sorry I couldn't find her. Hopefully someone else can. Mary Lou ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== Go to the Bedfordshire Lookup Exchange at: http://freespace.virgin.net/m.harbach/bdf.html

Hi, Does anyone know who the parents, siblings etc of Catherine were please? She married William Dunton in 1850 also born in Shefford. An IGI marriage record has Catherines father as Thomas Stanbridge. Regards, David

Hi David I looked for your Catherine Stanbridge on the 1841 census with variable spellings and couldn't see her at all. Then I browsed the Shefford census pages and nothing was readable on ancestry.com images. Sorry I couldn't find her. Hopefully someone else can. Mary Lou

There were several non-conformist chapels in Toddington and still are more than one I believe. Methodists were particularly strong in more than one chapel - the records are now mostly held at the Bedfordshire and Luton Record Office at Bedford. Toddington was in the Dunstable Circuit for Wesleyan Methodists and many records will be found in a book for the Dustable Circuit. I think there was also a Baptist Chapel and Salvation Army at some periods. Also more Methodist Chapels in the surrounding villages some only 2-3 miles from Toddington. Very few records (and parish registers) remain in hands of the original churches that produced them since there is a law that requires them to be surrendered. Most of the early records are copied to the I.G.I. which is online. Hope this helps. Regards Douglas Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Hilsdon" <jthilsdon@optusnet.com.au> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 9:42 AM Subject: [BDF] "Toddington" > Hi If anyone can let me know if there was a 'non conformist church' near > Toddington that I could get church records from so I can try and find the > birth of Thomas Hillersdon I would be grateful. > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > For any updates our info about the status of this list go to > http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com > >

Hi If anyone can let me know if there was a 'non conformist church' near Toddington that I could get church records from so I can try and find the birth of Thomas Hillersdon I would be grateful.

Hi Mary Lou Harriets other siblings were born in Sussex and Surrey. The family is listed in the 1881 census as living in Clapham Surrey. Harriet is listed as born abt 1833. My grtgrandfather was Richmond James Gooch Harriets's brother. Richmond married Elizabeth Lee at St Pancras London. I do not have any more info re Harriet If you have any links to this family I would appreciate any information. Regards Trish Thanks for your message. I have just discovered Harriet. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lou Jones" <gsjonesfamily@shaw.ca> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] GOOCH > Your message caught my eye because I have a Gooch connection in London, to > my King family from Dunstable. > My Gooch line is from Norwich, Norfolk. > What are you looking for re Harriet Gooch? > > Best wishes > Mary Lou on vancouver island, canada > On 6-May-06, at 5:57 PM, trish thomson wrote: > >> Hi I am new to the list and am looking for information re HARRIET Gooch >> who was born abt 1833 DUNSTABLE BEDFORDSHIRE. Harriets parents were LUCY >> and THOMAS GOOCH. I have found other siblings born SUSSEX who were >> christened at a baptist church. Harriet seems to have been the only child >> in this family who was born in Bedford. I am hoping that someone may have >> come across Harriet in their research or could suggest where I could look >> for more information Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Trish >> >> >> ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== >> To do a search of the Bedford Archives go to >> http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >> Enter Bedford in the box >> > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at > http://www.bfhs.org.uk > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006 > >

The reference for the marriage would seem to be this one... 1935 Dec ¼; Luton, 3b 1179. But remember that this is the Registration District, and the wedding by no means necessarily actually took place in Luton... Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&M Goodwin" <thegoodwins@gmail.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: [BDF] Frederick HUDSON Hi, My grandmother, Elizabeth GOODWIN, nee LUMMUS married Frederick HUDSON sometime between 1918 and 1948 probably in Luton but maybe in Westoning, her first husband having died. I wonder if anyone has a record of this marriage? Thanks, David ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would only be of interest to the individual you are replying to.

re.Sue Hill's message of 1 May 2006 re Caprelite labourer and Dears from Shillington. Please contact me off list at mdear@sme.com.au re possible exchange of information on Dear family. Maurie Dear, Melbourne, Australia

Hi I am new to the list and am looking for information re HARRIET Gooch who was born abt 1833 DUNSTABLE BEDFORDSHIRE. Harriets parents were LUCY and THOMAS GOOCH. I have found other siblings born SUSSEX who were christened at a baptist church. Harriet seems to have been the only child in this family who was born in Bedford. I am hoping that someone may have come across Harriet in their research or could suggest where I could look for more information Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks Trish

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Greetings! I have a date recorded for the Wedding of Frederick and Elizabeth of 14 December 1935 - unfortunately I have no further detail and no record of where it came from. My database is obviously falling down! Douglas Smith ----- Original Message ----- From: "D&M Goodwin" <thegoodwins@gmail.com> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 7:03 AM Subject: [BDF] Frederick HUDSON > Hi, > > My grandmother, Elizabeth GOODWIN, nee LUMMUS married Frederick HUDSON > sometime between 1918 and 1948 probably in Luton but maybe in Westoning, > her > first husband having died. I wonder if anyone has a record of this > marriage? > > Thanks, > David > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information > that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would > only be of interest to the individual you are replying to. > >

Hi Trish Well, I am sorry, but I cannot find any connection to your Gooch family. I had no idea, it was as common a name as it is. I correspond with a Gooch cousin I have discovered. He tells me it was originally Dutch and they came across the North Sea to fish. Sorry I can't help. Best wishes Mary Lou

Hi Reg, The list may have trouble finding this family They are listed under Bisby in the index 1871 census. I have sent the original image off list Cheers Gay Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island Alice Bisby abt 1850 Lime Keys, Norfolk, England Sister St Neots Huntingdonshire Martha Bisby abt 1819 Bishops Sutton, Somerset, England Mother St Neots Huntingdonshire Samuel Bisby abt 1847 Norths, Milton Head St Neots Huntingdonshire --- Original Message ----- From: "Reg Harvey" <regharvey@lineone.net> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [BDF] 1871 Census > Hello, > > Can anyone please check the 1871 census for me. The family is HINSBY > (HENSBY); Martha the mother age 51, sons James and Samuel and daughter > Martha Alice. They were in Tempsford in 1861 but migrated to St.Neots at > some stage but not sure when. > > Thank you, > Reg > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.5.3/331 - Release Date: 3/05/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.392 / Virus Database: 268.5.5/333 - Release Date: 5/05/2006