Hi Betty, According to "Parish Locator", Knotting to Milton Ernest is 4.4 miles or 7.1 kilometres. Regards, Eddie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Lark" <lark.nelson@xtra.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 4:41 AM Subject: [BDF] Many Many Thanks > Hi All the listers of todays page which NZ did not get until 2pm today. Bedfordshire is the most friendly, hard working on other people's work to be so helpful. Humourous, Serious, nobody seems to mind helping and I find in this day and age that is so hard to find. > > I am so grateful to every one who replied to my personal email address, which I have answered and the ones who answered through the list, every little bit is of great help. Now I must figure out the distance between Knotting and Milton Ernest as perhaps my William COX who married Charlotte SAWFORD had some of the children bapt. in Knotting and moved later to Milton Ernest. > > Sue Given do you need Susan HOLLOMAN Ancestors? > > Pat Burke look forward to hearing about the COX connection > > Kindest Regards > Betty Lark > Richmond, Nelson NZ > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > The Bedfordshire Surnames List can be viewed at: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > >

Thanks very much Cathy. Kind regards. Mike. -----Original Message----- From: AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com [mailto:AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 4:23 AM To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] Family history sites advice. Mike Your parents should be able to give your grandparents names - so by we should be on to census info [which isnt released for a 100 years]... 1901 census: http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ 1891 census: http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl Civil Registration : http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ Bedfordshire Archives: http://blars.adlibsoft.com/beginner/indnms.html cathy ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== When REPLYING to a message sent to the list decide if this is information that all the list members would like to know about or whether it would only be of interest to the individual you are replying to.

Thanks very much Liz, much appreciated. -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth Ellicott [mailto:lizellicott@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, 7 July 2006 2:17 AM To: BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] Family history sites advice. Hello Mike - any advice you receive here is totally subjective, but I hope it won't be too conflicting! Personally I use a range of websites. You could start with www.familysearch.org - the website run by the LDS Church - FREE and has parish registers, 1881 census and the IGI. Another good one to start with is www.Rootsweb.com, which is a FREE site linked to Ancestry. It has message boards linking you with other genealogists with similar interests. www.Ancestry.com can be pay-as-you-go or by subscription. I have found it really useful as it has all the UK census from 1841 - 1901. It also has the BMD register. Both of these are fully searchable. Another site is www.1837online.co.uk this one has all the BMD information and some census. You have to pay for this one too. Hope this has been useful. Liz Michael Brazier <brazier@hn.ozemail.com.au> wrote: Hi Everyone. It's been a while since I posted but I want to get a bit serious this time. My first question is could someone recommend any good websites for family history. I'm in Australia but I'm first generation here so my Mum and Dad are English so I wondered what would be the best site to use. I'm researching Brazier in Bedfordshire to start. My email address is brazier@hn.ozemail.com.au. Thank you. Kind regards. Mike. ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== For any updates or info about the status of this list go to http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== The Bedfordshire Family History Page is at http://www.bfhs.org.uk

I am descended from William and Charlotte and have quite a lot on this family including certificates. I hope to contact you. We are both in the antipodes! Pat Burke

Betty (and other interested listers) MORE PROOF THAT PERSISTENCE PAYS. ************************************* I found this for Betty using Google. Anybody who subscribes to British-Genealogy.com might refer to poster to today's Bedford-List messages. Charlotte's surname on IGI was spelt TOFFORD ********************* Pat.... Firstly, my little research has often come up with the fact that Sawfoot/Salford/Sawford/Sauford are all interchangeable, so the following may be of interest.... I have a Charlotte Sawford born in Knotting (Beds) ..... Baptised 31 May 1807, but not necessarily as an infant. Parents were John Salford (see what I mean?!) and Mary Elliot, although he was Sawford on his marriage info. To further prove the rubbish about the name, John's father was William Sauford, who was a right old rogue.....Aged 66, he was up before Bedford Assizes for GBH on some poor soul.... If you think this could be fitting in, let me know and I'll let you have some more! ******************************** Don't give up too soon. Peter in Sydney

Hi, Gay has sent 1841 census image for William & Charlotte direct to Betty Lark, and I have sent 1861 image for their son William and wife Dinah. Most of the christenings of children of William & Charlotte appear on IGI. I had just advised Betty to do a parent search. Only Exther (Ester?) is not there. Hannah appears for a marriage record to John Wallis but without parents. There is also an extra child Rachel b1842 after the census. As for the age difference of William (60) & Charlotte (30) who can tell, but you have to remember roundings in 1841. Perhaps William could be 58 and Charlotte 33. One would assume she was older than 15 when her first son was born. If somebody has 1851 access, they might solve the riddle. Peter PS !! I'm only being nice to Betty so she won't be too hard on me after the All Black beat the Wallabies.

I have sent the index and this summary of the 1841 census of Milton Ernest, Bedfordshire to Betty. Here is who I believe to be your William Cox.. born approx 1827 he is 14 in the 1841 census and is with his family William Cox is 60 AG lab.. then there is Charlotte who is 30 then there is George 15, William 14, Eliza 12 Eli 10, Hannah 7 Exther 6 and Andrew 3. The big question is William Cox 60 the father and Charlotte ? age 30 the mother. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Lark" <lark.nelson@xtra.co.nz> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 11:17 AM Subject: [BDF] COX family of Milton Ernest > Hi Listers, > > Please does someone have the PRs of Milton Ernest, Beds. nothing on the > IGI to assist me. > > I am looking for William COX bapc1829 Milton Ernest m. 16 Oct. 1851 > Knotting, Beds Dinah HODBY > > I am looking for the parents of William COX bc1829 Milton Ernest, Beds. > all the children: of William & Dinah COX > > I have: > Pheby c1857 Milton Ernest m. Robert SOLESBERRY > Emma 1864 Milton Ernest > Louisa 1874 Milton Ernest > > Any help would be much appreciated as we are trying to find the connection > to another COX family, we know there is one as we have a Bible with this > family but not how they connect. > > Regards > Betty Lark > Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving > the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a > digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe > or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 4/07/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 4/07/2006

Hi Listers, Please does someone have the PRs of Milton Ernest, Beds. nothing on the IGI to assist me. I am looking for William COX bapc1829 Milton Ernest m. 16 Oct. 1851 Knotting, Beds Dinah HODBY I am looking for the parents of William COX bc1829 Milton Ernest, Beds. all the children: of William & Dinah COX I have: Pheby c1857 Milton Ernest m. Robert SOLESBERRY Emma 1864 Milton Ernest Louisa 1874 Milton Ernest Any help would be much appreciated as we are trying to find the connection to another COX family, we know there is one as we have a Bible with this family but not how they connect. Regards Betty Lark Richmond, Nelson, NZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] My names of interest Hi there Peter, I actually reasearched this family around 25 years ago with much success just thought I might put the names up and see what comes of it. I presume this site you have given me is a free site, it it is rootsweb it would be. Thank you Peter > Fay, > > Try submitted FAMILY TREES at www.rootsweb.com There is also a > similar site at Genes Reunited, but that requires a subscription. > > Click on Advanced Search, to see the selection criteria. Because you > need exact matches with other peoples submissions, the less data the better. > > Start with just the surnames, and then refine the search. Next try > date periods +/-20 years. Then you might try given names. Then try separate > searches for each surname first with Haynes and then with Bedfordshire. > > Of course there are always surname message boards and mailing lists > at Rootsweb and Genforum. And it's always worthwhile to try Google, even > though there will be thousands of responses. > > Peter in Sydney > > PS!! Have you ever tried using just the surname to search 1881 census and > see the surname distribution throughout Bedfordshire. > > > ==== BEDFORD Mailing List ==== > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to: > Bedford-L-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in mail mode i.e. receiving the messages > individually or want them individually) > > or > > Bedford-D-request@rootsweb.com (if you are in digest mode i.e. receiving a digest of multiple > messages or want this mode) > > In the BODY of the message (not the subject line) type the word subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/07/2006 > >

Hello listers, I wonder if anyone else is researching the names Young, Godfrey, Matthews and Lancaster. All around Haynes Cheers Fay from Tauranga NZ

Peter Further on from last e-mail - In the 1803 Muster [which MAXEY, "superintendent", drew up at the time of threatened French invasion]...MAXEY describes himself as: Wm MAXEY, ''grasier'' [aged 51] ...."willing to serve his country to the most of his abilities" ... whereas he had written off other Knotting men as just "willing". [I know you like those little historical gems of human pride & foibles, Peter] The reason, I thought the SANFORD men worked for him is that he was the only bloke in Knotting who had both a waggon & a cart + 6 horses in 1803...so he was a 'big fish in a tiny pond' [and Knotting was hardly a puddle]! ....And yet....I think I was wrong, as on further examination... ...There was also Richard ISLIP in Knotting [aged 35] who had 3 waggons & a cart & 13 horses! And with 13 horses he must have been a really 'big fish' in village life - and Richard ISLIP also had 4 drivers available for Army use [unlike MAXEY who only had 2 drivers]? So, on balance, I think that John SANFORD [& his father] worked for Richard ISLIP - certainly if ISLIP had 13 horses - I would think he could afford to hire a 'servant' : John SANFORD? Please see: Volume 71 Bedfordshire Muster Lists by Nigel Lutt printed & published by BHRS cathy Ps: it is worth purchasing the book just for an insight into how people felt about each other...like net-curtain twitching on the past! !

Fay, Try submitted FAMILY TREES at www.rootsweb.com There is also a similar site at Genes Reunited, but that requires a subscription. Click on Advanced Search, to see the selection criteria. Because you need exact matches with other peoples submissions, the less data the better. Start with just the surnames, and then refine the search. Next try date periods +/-20 years. Then you might try given names. Then try separate searches for each surname first with Haynes and then with Bedfordshire. Of course there are always surname message boards and mailing lists at Rootsweb and Genforum. And it's always worthwhile to try Google, even though there will be thousands of responses. Peter in Sydney PS!! Have you ever tried using just the surname to search 1881 census and see the surname distribution throughout Bedfordshire.

Sue, So, I presume you can only follow Ephraim's maternal lines and you already know his mother and all her siblings and his grandparents who raised him. Try the Hugh Wallis Batch number site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm Scroll down to countries and follow the prompts to Bedford / Towns. This will show the available records by timeframe. Click on a batch number, and you can search by just one criteria. For example, you could check for all children named Ephraim in Ampthill, or all children with father named Ephraim or all Ephraim marriages. If you use just Underwood, you will get all records for that surname in Ampthill. But remember, it's established church not non-conformist, and depends on them being church goers. Parish records also cut out with compulsory registration after 1837. Then you need FreeBMD or quarterly indexes. But you can get all the family together from census records, so they are easier. Peter

Hi Peter, Thanks for the reply. That is the right Ephraim (my gg grandfather), and I never found the father. Ephraim was actually born in July 1839 and christened in 1844. Mary married a couple of years later but didn't take Ephraim, so I assume the groom was not his father. Ephraim was raised by his grandparents (Mary's parents) and never knew he was not theirs, as when he married his grandfather had become his father. While this may sound strange there was a logical explanation. Ephraims' mother was one of 9. Her eldest sister Charlotte was born in 1812 and died in 1832. In c1839 her parents had another child, very late in life, and also called this one Charlotte (baptised November 1839). So in reality while Ephraim was raised with his aunts and uncles, he could qutie as easily been passed of as their son as there was only a few months between Ephraim and Charlotte the second. I have been looking over many years. I know I didn't put in the dates, but I was hoping that anyone with Underwood's in their tree would pick up on the spouse names. Underwood is a common name. The dates range between John Henry born c1867 and Arthur born 1889. Ephraim was born in Ampthill and married and died in Luton. Susan Holloman came from Long Crendon and died in Luton. All the kids were born in Luton and mainly stayed there. Thanks for you input, will check out that family trees site. Have a good weekend. Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <BEDFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] My Bedforshire interests - UNDERWOOD plus spouses > Sue, > > Without dates or locations it's a bit difficult. >

In a message dated 7/8/06 11:16:09 AM GMT Standard Time, pbo08596@bigpond.net.au writes: > Pat.... > Firstly, my little research has often come up with the fact that > Sawfoot/Salford/Sawford/Sauford are all interchangeable, so the following > may be of interest.... > I have a Charlotte Sawford born in Knotting (Beds) ..... > Baptised 31 May 1807, but not necessarily as an infant. > Parents were John Salford (see what I mean?!) and Mary Elliot, although he > was Sawford on his marriage info. > To further prove the rubbish about the name, John's father was William > Sauford, who was a right old rogue.....Aged 66, he was up before Bedford > Assizes for GBH on some poor soul.... > If you think this could be fitting in, let me know and I'll let you have > some more! > hi Peter This is getting away a bit from COX in Milton Ernest - but I think your Knotting men are listed on the 1803 National Defence Muster list [I believe that is still published by Beds Historical Record Society?] The National Defence Muster list of 1803 'obliged' all men [aged 17 to 55] to register incase France invaded us... only those for the Barford, Stodden & Willey Hundreds survived...[which is bad luck for the rest of us searching elsewhere!] William SANFORD was a 53 year old cottager in Knotting in 1803 - described as 'willing' [to serve] John SANFORD was a 23 year old unmarried servant - also 'willing'... The list also says that these men were willing to attend as drivers for the teams [i.e. the waggons & carts] that would have been requisitioned by the Army if France had of invaded... I suspect SANFORD jr worked for William MAXEY as he drew up the list...and probably owned the cottage they lived in... So 'SANFORD' is another name to add to your list of variations? Let me know what you think? cathy Ps: Not all men were "willing" to defend England against the French ...there are some remarks on the lists like 'refused but I put his name down anyway'. I can see these blokes saying 'not bloody likely'....

In a message dated 08/07/2006 10:51:06 GMT Daylight Time, gayoneill@bigpond.com writes: I am looking for William COX bapc1829 Milton Ernest m. 16 Oct. 1851 > Knotting, Beds Dinah HODBY > > I am looking for the parents of William COX bc1829 Milton Ernest, Beds. > all the children: of William & Dinah COX > > I have: > Pheby c1857 Milton Ernest m. Robert SOLESBERRY > Emma 1864 Milton Ernest > Louisa 1874 Milton Ernest > > Any help would be much appreciated as we are trying to find the connection > to another COX family, we know there is one as we have a Bible with this > family but not how they connect. Betty I have a Cox family in nearby Sharnbrook, quite a bit earlier than yours above, but if you find any connection with David Cox and Ann in that area please get in touch with me. Ann was a Swannell widow and she and David Cox appear to have originated in Bucks and moved to Beds c1800, where a large contingent of Swannells grew up in Sharnbrook, Pavenham and Felmersham. -- Best Wishes from Brian Davey in beautiful Morecambe Bay, Lancashire. Special project - the families of Dent and district.

Sue, Without dates or locations it's a bit difficult. The only Ephraim that I found born 1844 looks to be the illegitimate son of Mary Underwood. You should be able to trace some information through UK Censuses, but seeing you are in Australia, it's possible that he migrated around age 21 in 1865. You could look at Family Trees at www.rootsweb.com . There are some Underwood submissions under Bedfordshire and two for Pulloxhill. But they are much earlier. I don't know if you will ever find a father? Peter

Cathy, Thanks for your suggestion. Free bmd is an old friend to most of us. My real question is were all burials in about 1860 recorded in the Parish Records or could they be recorded in Free Church records? Reg ----- Original Message ----- From: <AudreyJoyceMcC@aol.com> > > Your uncle ?? HINSBY may have died elsewhere...On the freeBMD Robert is > listed [1856 Biggleswade District] but the other one you name [John HINSBY] isnt... > but try: > > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl > > cathy

Hi, Just thought I would list some of the names I am interested in again, maybe I can get lucky this time. Ephraim Joseph Underwood (also known as just Ephraim or just Joseph) married Susan Holloman JOhn Henry Underwood married Margaret Field Charles Underwood married Kate North William Underwood Edward Underwood (born Bedford, Died London, buried Bedford) Alfred Underwood Annie Louise Underwood Martha Amelia (Martha Cornelia?) Underwood Elizabeth Kate Underwood married George Arthur Young Ruth Underwood Clarice Rose Underwood married Thomas Charles Longland Amy Underwood May Underwood married William Ephraim Gore Arthur Underwood married Louise surname unknown Have a good day. Sue in Australia (with yet another new email address)

Reg I see what you mean. Beds Family History Society does have a record of monumental inscriptions but not of Tempsford:0( and it would be unlike they were there anyway.. Often, the records for Methodists and other 'non-con' are pretty good because they were not lazy & falling over themselves for the gentry like some vicars...so it may be worth contacting the Bedford archvist archivist to let you know what records there are? cathy