Hi Marlene The NBI only goes up to 1851 for Riseley (and for many other Beds parishes). There's a Mary Smith age 20 buried on 26 Sept 1850. Whilst virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI, coverage is not so good post 1812. But it wasn't so much that the church frowned on marrying a deceased wife's sister, it was actually prohibited by the Marriage Act 1835. But that didn't stop it happening of course! If the marriage wasn't in Riseley it could have been a civil marriage, or in a parish where their relationship wasn't known. David Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> a écrit : Actually I think there was something in the water at Riseley for about a decade as this is not the first mystery I've had! I have done every trick I know with the IGI Peter but can find no answer! Thomas Smith indeed! With a father John and a wife Mary! It has to be a nightmare in the making! I thought/hoped someone might have had NBI info for burials in Riseley which could help. Sarah, I wondered if the marriage might have taken place in one of the few places NOT recorded on the IGI in Beds or perhaps they found a Dissenting Church which allowed them to marry if there were restrictions? Thank you both for looking - at least I know it's not just my eyesight and aging brain! Cheers Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Sarah, > > You're probably right, although I'm no expert. > > And two deaths in quick succession. I wasn't going to mention anything > about strange mushrooms?? > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente.

Peter wrote: "Strangely, the marriage to Phoebe Cooper is not on IGI, but on FreeBMD". Would I be right in thinking that marriages between a widower and his late wife's sister were frowned upon by the church at that time? If so, this second marriage might not have been performed in a church, and therefore would not be on the IGI. Just a thought. Sarah

Over the border in Buckinghamshire is certainly a possibility for a marriage to the sister of his late wife. ----- Original Message ----- From: David To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: [BDF] RE : Re: COOPER Mystery... Hi Marlene The NBI only goes up to 1851 for Riseley (and for many other Beds parishes). There's a Mary Smith age 20 buried on 26 Sept 1850. Whilst virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI, coverage is not so good post 1812. But it wasn't so much that the church frowned on marrying a deceased wife's sister, it was actually prohibited by the Marriage Act 1835. But that didn't stop it happening of course! If the marriage wasn't in Riseley it could have been a civil marriage, or in a parish where their relationship wasn't known. David Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> a écrit : Actually I think there was something in the water at Riseley for about a decade as this is not the first mystery I've had! I have done every trick I know with the IGI Peter but can find no answer! Thomas Smith indeed! With a father John and a wife Mary! It has to be a nightmare in the making! I thought/hoped someone might have had NBI info for burials in Riseley which could help. Sarah, I wondered if the marriage might have taken place in one of the few places NOT recorded on the IGI in Beds or perhaps they found a Dissenting Church which allowed them to marry if there were restrictions? Thank you both for looking - at least I know it's not just my eyesight and aging brain! Cheers Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Sarah, > > You're probably right, although I'm no expert. > > And two deaths in quick succession. I wasn't going to mention anything > about strange mushrooms?? > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente. The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rod, Many thanks for the information. This was also sent to me by someone in New Zealand and to say I was surprised is an understatement. My grandmother, who lived until she was 95, told the story to my cousin that William John had been adopted at sometime by a Colonel Pawlson/Paulson and both I and my cousin had not managed to find confirmation so we had kind of discounted the story. Now this census entry which was totally unknown to us, half confirms the story, so we will have to continue the search for more information on what happened to our mutual grandfather between 1861 to 1865 when he became an apprentice in Manchester, and between the years 1871 when he finished his apprenticeship until he re-appeared in Wolverhampton and married our grandmother.in 1880. Thank you again. John Favill Brookfield, Wisconsin, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Anstee" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:07 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Request for help: William Favill > John, > > William J Favell [sic], b. 1849 in Crewe, Cheshire is recorded in the 1861 > Census as a visitor with the Poulton family in Regents Road, Manchester. > Joseph Poulton as the head of household appears to have been a joiner. > > Hope this helps. > > Rod > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Favill" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:35 PM > Subject: [BDF] Request for help. > > >> My greetings to all, >> This is a request for help in tracing a 1861 census >> entry. >> >> For many years I have been trying to piece together the >> history >> of the Royal College of Music in Manchester. Not the present day one >> originated by Sir Charles HALLE, but certainly the first. >> This organization began in 1848 by a Dr Mark who had the object >> of taking boy orphans of musicians and boys of poor parents who had >> musical ability and provide each with both a general and a musical >> education. Food, lodging and clothing were also provided, the age range >> of >> the children being 5 to 16 years of age. When the boy reached the age of >> 16 a decision was taken as to his future. Those with sufficient talent >> could continue at the college and were given further training to become >> either a professional musician or a teacher of music. Alternatively for >> those who did not have sufficient talent or who did not wish to continue >> a >> music based profession, they were helped to obtain an apprenticeship. My >> grandfather was an example of the latter and in 1865 at the age of 16 he >> became apprenticed to a Lithographer in Manchester. >> To fund his operation Dr Mark formed an orchestra which toured >> England and Scotland giving music concerts under the name "Dr Mark and >> his >> Little Men." My grandfather was 8 years of age when he became a little >> man >> in 1857. >> Many of these concerts were announced or reported in "The >> Era" >> newspaper, a weekly publication devoted to the theatre, music and concert >> hall from 1837 until 1939. For instance for a concert given in Aberdeen >> on >> November 25, 1860 the Era reported " The precision with which the little >> fellows play difficult overtures etc. says much for the training they are >> receiving at the hands of the worthy Doctor." >> >> An idea of the ability and the standard of playing can be >> judged by the fact that on February 18 , 1858 >> "Dr Mark and his Little Men" gave a concert at Buckingham Palace. The >> occasion was the celebration of the 11th Wedding anniversary of Queen >> Victoria and Prince Albert with other members of the Royal Family in >> attendance. A Royal Command Performance. >> >> Dr Mark, who was born in Germany, died in January of 1868 >> and >> as I cannot trace any information that would tell me the organization >> continued after his death I assume that it died with him. >> >> Now to the part with which I need help. I have the census >> returns >> for Monday April 8, 1861 for 42 Bridge Street, Deansgate , Manchester, >> the >> location of the Royal College of Music, and although there are both >> students and staff recorded it is far from complete. Recently I have been >> told that on that day "Dr. Mark and his Little Men" were giving a concert >> in Bedford. I am hoping that a member of this group has come across the >> census records and could provide the information as I am also hoping that >> within the group in Bedford I will find my grandfather's name, William >> FAVILL born in Monks Coppenhall, Crewe in Cheshire. The names will, >> hopefully, complete my list of names of those who were members of the >> "Little Men" on that census day. My Grandfather, who died in 1901, played >> the violin in the "Little Men" orchestra. >> >> Other suggestions that might lead me to the records would be most >> welcome. >> >> John FAVILL, >> Brookfield, Wisconsin, USA >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, William J Favell [sic], b. 1849 in Crewe, Cheshire is recorded in the 1861 Census as a visitor with the Poulton family in Regents Road, Manchester. Joseph Poulton as the head of household appears to have been a joiner. Hope this helps. Rod ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Favill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 9:35 PM Subject: [BDF] Request for help. > My greetings to all, > This is a request for help in tracing a 1861 census entry. > > For many years I have been trying to piece together the history > of the Royal College of Music in Manchester. Not the present day one > originated by Sir Charles HALLE, but certainly the first. > This organization began in 1848 by a Dr Mark who had the object > of taking boy orphans of musicians and boys of poor parents who had > musical ability and provide each with both a general and a musical > education. Food, lodging and clothing were also provided, the age range of > the children being 5 to 16 years of age. When the boy reached the age of > 16 a decision was taken as to his future. Those with sufficient talent > could continue at the college and were given further training to become > either a professional musician or a teacher of music. Alternatively for > those who did not have sufficient talent or who did not wish to continue a > music based profession, they were helped to obtain an apprenticeship. My > grandfather was an example of the latter and in 1865 at the age of 16 he > became apprenticed to a Lithographer in Manchester. > To fund his operation Dr Mark formed an orchestra which toured > England and Scotland giving music concerts under the name "Dr Mark and his > Little Men." My grandfather was 8 years of age when he became a little man > in 1857. > Many of these concerts were announced or reported in "The Era" > newspaper, a weekly publication devoted to the theatre, music and concert > hall from 1837 until 1939. For instance for a concert given in Aberdeen on > November 25, 1860 the Era reported " The precision with which the little > fellows play difficult overtures etc. says much for the training they are > receiving at the hands of the worthy Doctor." > > An idea of the ability and the standard of playing can be > judged by the fact that on February 18 , 1858 > "Dr Mark and his Little Men" gave a concert at Buckingham Palace. The > occasion was the celebration of the 11th Wedding anniversary of Queen > Victoria and Prince Albert with other members of the Royal Family in > attendance. A Royal Command Performance. > > Dr Mark, who was born in Germany, died in January of 1868 and > as I cannot trace any information that would tell me the organization > continued after his death I assume that it died with him. > > Now to the part with which I need help. I have the census returns > for Monday April 8, 1861 for 42 Bridge Street, Deansgate , Manchester, the > location of the Royal College of Music, and although there are both > students and staff recorded it is far from complete. Recently I have been > told that on that day "Dr. Mark and his Little Men" were giving a concert > in Bedford. I am hoping that a member of this group has come across the > census records and could provide the information as I am also hoping that > within the group in Bedford I will find my grandfather's name, William > FAVILL born in Monks Coppenhall, Crewe in Cheshire. The names will, > hopefully, complete my list of names of those who were members of the > "Little Men" on that census day. My Grandfather, who died in 1901, played > the violin in the "Little Men" orchestra. > > Other suggestions that might lead me to the records would be most > welcome. > > John FAVILL, > Brookfield, Wisconsin, USA > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Eve I am curious! Why do I always get 2 copies of your emails? Tonight they were posted 4 minutes apart - sometimes longer? Cheers Marlene [email protected] wrote: > On 5 Apr 2008 at 10:02, Peter Booth wrote: > > >> Sophia Cox was born 1832 to the widow Mary Cox (nee Bendee). >> Mary's >> deceased husband Jonas Cox b1794 had died six years earlier in 1826. >> > > But she kept his portrait on the mantlepiece? > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 5 Apr 2008 at 10:02, Peter Booth wrote: > > Sophia Cox was born 1832 to the widow Mary Cox (nee Bendee). > Mary's > deceased husband Jonas Cox b1794 had died six years earlier in 1826. But she kept his portrait on the mantlepiece?

On 5 Apr 2008 at 10:02, Peter Booth wrote: > > Sophia Cox was born 1832 to the widow Mary Cox (nee Bendee). > Mary's > deceased husband Jonas Cox b1794 had died six years earlier in 1826. But she kept his portrait on the mantlepiece?

Thanks Patti for your advise re Bastardy Bonds. Will see what comes of that. Regards Betty Lark, richmond, Nelson, NZ

This Indenture made the Fifteenth Day of Aprill in the Second Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, &c Annoq; Dom 1729 Witnesseth, That John Woolerston and Edward Emery Churchwardens of the Parish of Eaton Socon in the County of Bedford John Emery John Abbys and John Watford Overseers of the Poor of the said Parish, by and with the consent of His Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the said County of Bedford whose names are hereunto subscribed, have out and placed, and by these Presents do put and place Mary Ashbolt a poor Child of the said Parish, Apprentice to Henry Fox of the said Parish husbandman with him to dwell and serve from the Day of the Date of these presents, until the said Apprentice shall accomplish her full age of One and Twenty years or day of marriage which shall first happen according to the Statute in that Case made and provided: During all which term, the said Apprentice her said Master faithfully shall serve in all lawful Business, according to her Power, Wit, and Ability; and honestly, orderly, and obediently in all Things demean and behave herself towards her said Master an all his during the said term. And the said Henry Fox for himself, his Executors and Administrators, doth Covenant and Grant to and with the said Churchwardens and Overseers, and every of them, their and every of their Executors and Administrators, and their and every of their Successors for the time being, by these presents, that the said Henry Fox the said Apprentice in the way and business of housewifery shall teach and instruct or cause to be taught and instructed to he(?) And shall and will, during all the term aforesaid, find, provide and allow unto the said Apprentice, meet, competent and sufficient Meat, Drink, and Apparel, Lodging, Washing, and all other things necessary and fit for an Apprentice. And also shall and will so provide for the said Apprentice, that she be not any way a Charge to the said Parish, or Parishioners of the same; but of and from all Charge shall and will save the said parish and Parishioners harmless and indemnified during the said term. And at the end of the said term, shall and will make, provide, allow, and deliver unto the said Apprentice double Apparel of all sorts, good and new, (that is to say) a good new suit for the Holy-days, and another for the Working-days. In Witness whereof, the Parties abovesaid to these present Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals the Day and Year above-written. Sealed and Delivered in the Presence of Nichs Livett Jno Smith We whose Names are Subscribed, Justices of the Peace of the County Q: unus aforesaid to hereby consent to the putting forth of the abovesaid Mary Ashbolt Apprentice, according to the Intent and Meaning of the Indenture abovesaid. Wm Becker Wm Asplin Henry Fox his Marke Memorandum the day and year within written The within named churchwardens and Overseers of the poor for and in Consideration of all and Singular the agreements within mentioned and expressed to be performed and Kept Have paid at the ensealing of these present Indentures unto the within named Henry Fox the Sum of Fourty Shillings (That is to say) Twenty Shillings of which id allowed for Clothing of the within named Mary Ashbolt And the said Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor do further promise and Agree that the Successors of them for the time being shall well and truly pay or cause to be paid unto the said Henry Fox his Executors Administrators or Assigns the further sum of Twenty Shillings a Year until the full sum of four pounds more (over and above the said sum of Twenty Shillings) shall be fully paid and discharged which will make in all the Sum of Six pounds being the full and whole Sum of the contract for the said Mary Ashbolt's Apprenticeshipp. Provided nevertheless that in case the said Mary Ashbolt shall happen to dye before any or any part of the said Twenty Shillings a year shall become due and payable That then so much as shall not be due or payable before the Death of the said Mary Ashbolt shall then become Void and unpayable.

Thank you everybody for your help. Cheers, Rachel On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]> wrote: > Rachel, > > About 95% of Bedfordshire Parish Registers are on IGI. All that > changed > in 1812 was a new register format. Then from 1837 compulsory registration > commenced. So you should be looking at IGI prior to 1837 and quarterly > indexes thereafter. > > If you can't find people in Bedfordshire PR's prior to 1837, they are > usually non-conformist or mis-spelt. > > Compulsory registration meant the demise of Parish Registers as a > source, although some continued until much later. > > If you look at the Hugh Wallis site you will see the period covered by > batches from each parish. > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyBedford.htm#PageTitle > > The problem with the lookups was that people were asking for > information > that in most cases they could find for themselves. > > If you have someone you can't find, post it on the list. There may be a > good explanation coming for all those experienced eyes. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Angela The St Paul marriage in the PR only says that Edward Orpin was of St Peters; & Elizabeth's name was SAUCOT Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela Cox" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 5:55 PM Subject: [BDF] marriage look up Bedford St. Paul please > Hi > Is there anyone with Bedford St. Paul PRs who can do a quick check for me > please? I've got a marriage between Edward ORPIN and Elizabeth SANCOTT > 02/10/1729. I want to know if there is any other information with the > entry. > > > > --------------------------------- > Sent from Yahoo! Mail. > A Smarter Inbox. > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.5/1357 - Release Date: > 03/04/2008 10:48 > >

Sophia Cox was born 1832 to the widow Mary Cox (nee Bendee). Mary's deceased husband Jonas Cox b1794 had died six years earlier in 1826. I would like to hear from anyone with links to Jonas Cox. He was a brother to my 3 x great grandfather Christopher Cox. Peter

Hi Eileen & Betty Sophia Cox was the illegitimate daughter of Mary COX nee Bendee. Jonas died in June 1826 at Maulden, Sophia was born in 1832, six years after his death, which is why you only have Mary Cox's name on the baptism entry. If you need to know more I suggest you try to find out if there are any Bastardy Bonds issued. Regards Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Salmon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 9:41 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Sophia COX of Maulden > Hi Betty nice to catch up with you again! > I think this is the family you are looking for: > > Sophia Cox c 23 Sept 1832 > daughter of Jonas Cox and Mary Cox nee Bendee > > Jonas and Mary married 10 Jun 1817 and had the following children bapt in > Maulden: > Ann Cox c 25 Dec 1818 > Hannah Cox c 10 Jun 1821 > William Cox c 30 Oct 1825 > Sophia Cox c 23 Sept 1832 > > Jonas Cox c 31 Aug 1794 and his parents show as William Cox and Elizabeth > Thomson married 5 Aug 1776 Maulden > Also shows Sophia Cox was 19yrs when she married William Sinfield 24yrs > Hope that helps - regards Eileen in Wellington NZ > Betty Lark <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Please can someone who may have the PRs for Maulden help me out with > either of these 2 queries. > > Sophia COX bap. Maulden 23 Sept. 1832 is there only a Mother's name (Mary > COX) please and any other remarks.? > > Sophia COX m.29 July 1851 Maulden William SINFIELD (so Richard SINFIELD) > was a father's name given for Sophia please? > > Any help would be gratefully received thanks very much. > Betty Lark > Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.22.1/1348 - Release Date: > 28/03/2008 10:58 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5169 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Is there anyone with Bedford St. Paul PRs who can do a quick check for me please? I've got a marriage between Edward ORPIN and Elizabeth SANCOTT 02/10/1729. I want to know if there is any other information with the entry. --------------------------------- Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Inbox.

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Dear List, I am researching the MANNING family of Elstow Bedfordshire (long distance research). I have William and Sarah (nee Leach) Manning at Medbury Farm in the 1851 Census. Their children (that I know of) are John Leach b1816, Frederick Albert b1825 and Robert Roland b1831. John Leach marries Mary Langley of Cheshire in 1841, they have a son John Leach born at Bardon Park in Leicestershire in 1842. By 1851 Census John is widow and John junior is with William and Sarah at Medbury Elstow where William is listed as farmer, farming 337 acres and employing a number of men and boys. By 1861 Sarah is head of family on farm in Elstow, Robert Roland, wife and family are with her. Frederick, an analytical chemist is with wife in London. Later 100 acres or so is sold off, later still I find Robert Roland in New Zealand along with daughter, and John Leach junior in his teens in Australia. Is anyone able to clarify picture, fill in any gaps here or add to this family history? Thank you Elizabeth

Hi Listers, Again I write to see if anyone is researching a family of mine. My 5XGt. Grandparents Azariah (what a lovely name) KENDALL m22 Sept. 1735 St. James Clerkenwell, London Jane ONEY. I have only found 1 son also Azariah KENDALL bc1755 I do not know where, m. 15 Jan. 1781 Millbrook, Bdf. Sarah FORFEIT 1757-1817. Azariah died 1798 Lidlington, Bdf. This couple had 8 children all survived to adulthood and got married (no wonder I can go back 11 generations in all) Is there anyone researching this family who has managed to find where Azariah KENDALL jnr. was born and did he have siblings. Thanks for any help it is much appreciated. Regards Betty Lark Richmond, Nelson, NZ

Poulton & Paulson are not too disimilar if spoken? Penny Hampshire UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Favill" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: [BDF] Request for help. > Hi Sandra, > Thank you for the information on the location of > William FAVILL in Manchester on the date of the 1861 census. I have been > following the path of "Dr Mark and his Little Men" making the assumption > my > grandfather continued as a member until he began his apprenticeship in > 1865. > As he was born in Monks Coppenhall which was where his father lived on the > day of the 1851 census, I had also searched in Cheshire although on the > same > day he was living with his mother in Everton in Liverpool, which also > added > possibilities if I couldn't find him with the main group. To confuse the > issue a family oral history story ( my grandmother to my cousin) said he > had > been adopted by a Colonel Paulson. My cousin and I had failed to find our > mutual grandfather or Colonel Paulson despite many searches. The > information > that he was living with Joseph Poulton at 10 Regent Road in 1861 suggests >> >