A Susanna Forfeit age 34 was buried at Ridgmont on 15 April 1813 David Betty Lark <[email protected]> a écrit : Hello Listers, Thomas FORFEIT(T) & Susanna ROBINSON mc1774 and so far I have only found 1 son William FORFEIT(T) bc1775 Bapt.4 Nov. 1781 Millbrook. this William FORFEIT(T) m.29 July 1799 Susanna ROBINSON and they had 3 daughters Mary 1801 Fanny 1804 Sarah 1810 all bapt. Ridgmont (that seems to be the easy bit) did Susanna FORFEIT(T) nee ROBINSON die between 1810 & 1815? as there is a William FORFEIT(T) m 24 Oct. 1815 Ridgmont Elizabeth LANSBURY 1790-1868. From the 1851 Census I have guestimated that William FORFEIT(T) would have been born c1775 Millbrook he d.1857 Ridgmont. this couple had 5 children. If someone has access to the Marriages of Ridgmont could they check if it just happens to mention on the marriage of 24 Oct 1815 that William FORFEIT(T) was a Widower. Thanks very much for any help it is much appreciated. Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente.
Has any reader got the parish records for Ampthill and Flitton with Silsoe areas 1812 - 1840 especially marriages. I am looking for a William YATES b1789 married to Lydia b1783 (both buried Silsoe) Their dau Elizabeth b around 1810 Ampthill married to Thomas BUNKER around 1830 - children baptised Flitwick (Thomas may be the one born Steppingley died 1838.) He died before 1841 and she married again to John CHAPMAN 1845 (this last is on IGI) I have the families in 1841 and 1851 censuses despite vagaries of Ancestry transcriptions!! Bill
Thanks Peter! Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Marlene, > > I'm not inclined to spend hours of research to solve your mystery. But > by using father's names from IGI, together with suggestions from David and > others, I'm sure you will at least narrow down the possibilities. > > I know it will be difficult, but I'm confident there is a solution. Work > to extract maximum results from the clues that you have been offered. > > Good Luck > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
On 11 Apr 2008 at 1:19, [email protected] wrote: > > > Bucks Genealogical Society meeting Sat April 12 at 3pm > > > Have you ever cursed the census enumerator and wondered why on > > > earth he couldn't get the name or details of your ancestor right, > > > or enter it at all? It was not always his fault - half the blame > > > probably belongs to those same ancestors (and that's before > > > Ancestry made a mess of the indexing) > > > Come and hear > > > HOW THE CENSUS WAS TAKEN > > > A talk by Eve McLaughlin, with the help(?) of the BGS Thespians as > > > the enumerator and sundry inhabitants of the village, from the > > > Squire to the deaf washerwoman, the village woman with a few > > > things to hide and the farmer's wife with absolutely total recall, > > > all of them wilfully or accidentally confusing him with their > > > entries. > > > > > > Venue. Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. From E & N, Follow > > > signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn right into Churchill Ave, > > > then left into Ellen Rd and you are there. From S, turn L into > > > Churchill Ave. From West, turn R off A418 at second roundabout, > > > into Ellen Rd and go all the way down it to school at end. Ample > > > parking on site. Doors open 2pm for an hour's research before the > > > entertainment. > > > Information from [email protected] or 01844 291631. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > > 16/12/2007 11:36 > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > 16/12/2007 11:36 >
On 9 Apr 2008 at 13:16, Sarah Middleton wrote: > Peter wrote: "Strangely, the marriage to Phoebe Cooper is not on IGI, > but on FreeBMD". > > Would I be right in thinking that marriages between a widower and his > late wife's sister were frowned upon by the church at that time? If > so, this second marriage might not have been performed in a church, > and therefore would not be on the IGI. It was not just the church - marriage to deceased wife's sister was illegal in civil law too (till 1908), If it happened, the couple would be well advised to vanish to somewhere where they were not known. Thomas Smith is such a common name that probably Phoebe's Thomas is not the same as her sister's Thomas - might be a cousin, might be totally unrelated.
On 11 Apr 2008 at 1:19, [email protected] wrote: > > > Bucks Genealogical Society meeting Sat April 12 at 3pm > > > Have you ever cursed the census enumerator and wondered why on > > > earth he couldn't get the name or details of your ancestor right, > > > or enter it at all? It was not always his fault - half the blame > > > probably belongs to those same ancestors (and that's before > > > Ancestry made a mess of the indexing) > > > Come and hear > > > HOW THE CENSUS WAS TAKEN > > > A talk by Eve McLaughlin, with the help(?) of the BGS Thespians as > > > the enumerator and sundry inhabitants of the village, from the > > > Squire to the deaf washerwoman, the village woman with a few > > > things to hide and the farmer's wife with absolutely total recall, > > > all of them wilfully or accidentally confusing him with their > > > entries. > > > > > > Venue. Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. From E & N, Follow > > > signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn right into Churchill Ave, > > > then left into Ellen Rd and you are there. From S, turn L into > > > Churchill Ave. From West, turn R off A418 at second roundabout, > > > into Ellen Rd and go all the way down it to school at end. Ample > > > parking on site. Doors open 2pm for an hour's research before the > > > entertainment. > > > Information from [email protected] or 01844 291631. > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > > 16/12/2007 11:36 > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > 16/12/2007 11:36 >
On 9 Apr 2008 at 13:16, Sarah Middleton wrote: > Peter wrote: "Strangely, the marriage to Phoebe Cooper is not on IGI, > but on FreeBMD". > > Would I be right in thinking that marriages between a widower and his > late wife's sister were frowned upon by the church at that time? If > so, this second marriage might not have been performed in a church, > and therefore would not be on the IGI. It was not just the church - marriage to deceased wife's sister was illegal in civil law too (till 1908), If it happened, the couple would be well advised to vanish to somewhere where they were not known. Thomas Smith is such a common name that probably Phoebe's Thomas is not the same as her sister's Thomas - might be a cousin, might be totally unrelated.
Marlene, I'm not inclined to spend hours of research to solve your mystery. But by using father's names from IGI, together with suggestions from David and others, I'm sure you will at least narrow down the possibilities. I know it will be difficult, but I'm confident there is a solution. Work to extract maximum results from the clues that you have been offered. Good Luck Peter
Hi Eve, I'm getting this message on the list multiple times.5 so far I think. Jim Bundy I have my own message issues, with my 16 month old grandson trying to get to my keyboard and "improve" my notes. :) ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 9:52 AM Subject: [BDF] CENSUS TAKING TALK > On 11 Apr 2008 at 1:19, [email protected] wrote: > >> > > Bucks Genealogical Society meeting Sat April 12 at 3pm >> > > Have you ever cursed the census enumerator and wondered why on >> > > earth he couldn't get the name or details of your ancestor right, >> > > or enter it at all? It was not always his fault - half the blame >> > > probably belongs to those same ancestors (and that's before >> > > Ancestry made a mess of the indexing) >> > > Come and hear >> > > HOW THE CENSUS WAS TAKEN >> > > A talk by Eve McLaughlin, with the help(?) of the BGS Thespians as >> > > the enumerator and sundry inhabitants of the village, from the >> > > Squire to the deaf washerwoman, the village woman with a few >> > > things to hide and the farmer's wife with absolutely total recall, >> > > all of them wilfully or accidentally confusing him with their >> > > entries. >> > > >> > > Venue. Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. From E & N, Follow >> > > signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn right into Churchill Ave, >> > > then left into Ellen Rd and you are there. From S, turn L into >> > > Churchill Ave. From West, turn R off A418 at second roundabout, >> > > into Ellen Rd and go all the way down it to school at end. Ample >> > > parking on site. Doors open 2pm for an hour's research before the >> > > entertainment. >> > > Information from [email protected] or 01844 291631. >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> > Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: >> > 16/12/2007 11:36 >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: >> 16/12/2007 11:36 >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> > Bucks Genealogical Society meeting Sat April 12 at 3pm > > Have you ever cursed the census enumerator and wondered why on > > earth he couldn't get the name or details of your ancestor right, or > > enter it at all? It was not always his fault - half the blame > > probably belongs to those same ancestors (and that's before Ancestry > > made a mess of the indexing) > > Come and hear > > HOW THE CENSUS WAS TAKEN > > A talk by Eve McLaughlin, with the help(?) of the BGS Thespians as > > the enumerator and sundry inhabitants of the village, from the > > Squire to the deaf washerwoman, the village woman with a few things > > to hide and the farmer's wife with absolutely total recall, all of > > them wilfully or accidentally confusing him with their entries. > > > > Venue. Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. From E & N, Follow > > signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn right into Churchill Ave, > > then left into Ellen Rd and you are there. From S, turn L into > > Churchill Ave. From West, turn R off A418 at second roundabout, > > into Ellen Rd and go all the way down it to school at end. Ample > > parking on site. Doors open 2pm for an hour's research before the > > entertainment. > > Information from [email protected] or 01844 291631. > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > 16/12/2007 11:36 >
> > Bucks Genealogical Society meeting Sat April 12 at 3pm > > Have you ever cursed the census enumerator and wondered why on > > earth he couldn't get the name or details of your ancestor right, or > > enter it at all? It was not always his fault - half the blame > > probably belongs to those same ancestors (and that's before Ancestry > > made a mess of the indexing) > > Come and hear > > HOW THE CENSUS WAS TAKEN > > A talk by Eve McLaughlin, with the help(?) of the BGS Thespians as > > the enumerator and sundry inhabitants of the village, from the > > Squire to the deaf washerwoman, the village woman with a few things > > to hide and the farmer's wife with absolutely total recall, all of > > them wilfully or accidentally confusing him with their entries. > > > > Venue. Mandeville School, Ellen Rd, Aylesbury. From E & N, Follow > > signs to Stoke Mandeville Hospital, turn right into Churchill Ave, > > then left into Ellen Rd and you are there. From S, turn L into > > Churchill Ave. From West, turn R off A418 at second roundabout, > > into Ellen Rd and go all the way down it to school at end. Ample > > parking on site. Doors open 2pm for an hour's research before the > > entertainment. > > Information from [email protected] or 01844 291631. > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.4/1187 - Release Date: > 16/12/2007 11:36 >
Hi David OOOps! I'm sure they wouldn't have broken the Law! I mean stealing eggs and Deal Boards (whatever they are!) is a wee bit different! Thanks for the " news" of Mary - don't suppose there's a William Cooper in the next qtr is there? I've a heap of Northants fiches waiting for me at the LDS ar present and want to go through my mysteries before getting the Riseley film again! The marriage for Phoebe took place in Bedford Reg District so I assume it couldn't have been too far away and Phoebe was a lace maker therefore not away from home "in service" or similar. Maybe she and her husband departed the ancient hills of England like so many others of their rellies! Many thanks David and Bev & EACrouch for your thoughts, much appreciated. Marlene David wrote: > Hi Marlene > > The NBI only goes up to 1851 for Riseley (and for many other Beds parishes). There's a Mary Smith age 20 buried on 26 Sept 1850. > > Whilst virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI, coverage is not so good post 1812. But it wasn't so much that the church frowned on marrying a deceased wife's sister, it was actually prohibited by the Marriage Act 1835. But that didn't stop it happening of course! If the marriage wasn't in Riseley it could have been a civil marriage, or in a parish where their relationship wasn't known. > > David > > Marlene Shipman <[email protected]> a écrit : Actually I think there was something in the water at Riseley for about a > decade as this is not the first mystery I've had! > I have done every trick I know with the IGI Peter but can find no > answer! Thomas Smith indeed! With a father John and a wife Mary! It has > to be a nightmare in the making! > I thought/hoped someone might have had NBI info for burials in Riseley > which could help. > Sarah, I wondered if the marriage might have taken place in one of the > few places NOT recorded on the IGI in Beds or perhaps they found a > Dissenting Church which allowed them to marry if there were restrictions? > Thank you both for looking - at least I know it's not just my eyesight > and aging brain! > Cheers > Marlene > > > Peter Booth wrote: > >> Sarah, >> >> You're probably right, although I'm no expert. >> >> And two deaths in quick succession. I wasn't going to mention anything >> about strange mushrooms?? >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > --------------------------------- > Envoyé avec Yahoo! Mail. > Une boite mail plus intelligente. > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
If you think the freebmd entry refers to your Thomas Smith, then you will need to purchase that certificate to find place of marriage. For whatever reason the marriage may have taken place in the Registrar's office. Bev > I cannot find a marriage/death for Phoebe nor can I find her in 1861. > > Can anyone help please? I'm going cross eyed! Parhaps fresh eyes and > fresh perspective might help! > Marlene
If you think the freebmd entry refers to your Thomas Smith, then you will need to purchase that certificate to find place of marriage. For whatever reason the marriage may have taken place in the Registrar's office. Bev > I cannot find a marriage/death for Phoebe nor can I find her in 1861. > > Can anyone help please? I'm going cross eyed! Parhaps fresh eyes and > fresh perspective might help! > Marlene
If you think the freebmd entry refers to your Thomas Smith, then you will need to purchase that certificate to find place of marriage. For whatever reason the marriage may have taken place in the Registrar's office. Bev > I cannot find a marriage/death for Phoebe nor can I find her in 1861. > > Can anyone help please? I'm going cross eyed! Parhaps fresh eyes and > fresh perspective might help! > Marlene
Actually I think there was something in the water at Riseley for about a decade as this is not the first mystery I've had! I have done every trick I know with the IGI Peter but can find no answer! Thomas Smith indeed! With a father John and a wife Mary! It has to be a nightmare in the making! I thought/hoped someone might have had NBI info for burials in Riseley which could help. Sarah, I wondered if the marriage might have taken place in one of the few places NOT recorded on the IGI in Beds or perhaps they found a Dissenting Church which allowed them to marry if there were restrictions? Thank you both for looking - at least I know it's not just my eyesight and aging brain! Cheers Marlene Peter Booth wrote: > Sarah, > > You're probably right, although I'm no expert. > > And two deaths in quick succession. I wasn't going to mention anything > about strange mushrooms?? > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Kia Ora I wonder if anyone can check whether this scenario is correct for me please? I have: Mary COOPER baptised 1829 Riseley marrying Thomas SMITH on 29 July 1850 Riseley (IGI). Sept Q 1850 6/59 Father John Cooper. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Cooper ( Mary's sister) I think: Mary SMITH died Sept Q 1850. (Free BMD) Probably buried Riseley. I think Thomas SMITH might then have married Phoebe COOPER (Mary's sister) June Q 1851.Bedford 6/85 (Free BMD) I think: Phoebe SMITH also died June Q 1856 3b/197.Bedford The problem with this scenario is that a Thomas SMITH married Agnes Peasnall at Riseley in June Q 1851!!!!!!!!!! I cannot find a marriage/death for Phoebe nor can I find her in 1861. Can anyone help please? I'm going cross eyed! Parhaps fresh eyes and fresh perspective might help! Marlene I cannot identify either Mary or Phoebe in 1861 and this scenario would settle both!
Sarah, You're probably right, although I'm no expert. And two deaths in quick succession. I wasn't going to mention anything about strange mushrooms?? Peter
Marlene, You've been looking at FreeBMD. Try also looking at Riseley batches on IGI. And of course there could be other Thomas Smith marriages elsewhere. But for 1850 marriage to Mary Cooper, Thomas' father is given as William Smith. Strangely, the marriage to Phoebe Cooper is not on IGI, but on FreeBMD The Thomas who married Agnes Peasnell in 1851 has father's name John Smith. There is also a 1859 marriage at Riseley to Ester Warwick. Thomas's age is 32 and father is William. Is this a 3rd marriage after the deaths of Mary and Phoebe. Peter PS!! There is also a 1863 marriage at Eaton Socon between Thomas Smith and Mary Cooper. You need to make doubly sure you get the right family.