Eileen I did reply to you off list - did you get it? Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eileen Salmon Sent: 15 April 2008 20:19 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BDF] HAITES in Ampthill PRs Hello there Bill, please write to me off list as we have many of these folk mentioned in your email, on our family tree. Look forward to hearing back from you and swapping information Regards Eileen in New Zeland. Bill and Jenny Deverell <[email protected]> wrote: Peter I know it's going to be a slog. There's no suitable YATES anywhere on IGI in Beds even though when you study the 1841 entry William is born Beds! The 1841 entry has in one household 2 families. William Yates 55 Ag Lab Y Lydia 55 Y Elizabeth Bunker 30 Charwoman (?) Y Sarah 9 Y William 7 Y Ancestry had them as YALES and BONTER !! As you ha noted Ruth is eleswhere (with the WOOLFREY family) Sarah, William and Ruth's baptisms are on IGI (parents Thomas and Elizabeth BUNKER) As is Elizabeth's subsequent marriage to John CHAPMAN in 1845 which reveals her father as William YATES. This all started when trying to locate more about Elizabeth's son Joseph born 1842 whose father is neither Thomas BUNKER nor John CHAPMAN (no father on birth cert and no father on 1842 baptism). In 1851 Elizabeth is with new huband John son Joseph, new dau Mary Ann age 4 (she appears in 1891 and 1901) as his half sister! And John from John's previous marriage to Ann. Sarah marries Abel DENTON in 1850 (his sister Thirza married my 7C4R William STAPLETON - on same page of GRO so could be same date) William marries Eliza KEECH 1858 and Rachel PEDDER 1870. Ruth marries William SWANNELL 1855 (lost them after 1861 The Brick Wall I face is going back on William and Lydia - hence need to see if anything extra in the Ampthill PRs transcripts or original for around 1806. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Booth Sent: 15 April 2008 01:51 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BDF] HAITES in Ampthill PRs Bill, It looks like this is going to take some concentrated research. David has provided some good clues, but it requires follow up. I don't know the answers either. But I found a few more clues. In 1841 census, Ancestry records them as YALES. William and Lydia are living alone in Flitton. But the original image is very feint. By 1851, William has died. Lydia Yates, widow is living with grandchildren William Bunker 17 and Ruth Bunker 15, but there is no sign of parents. I went back to 1841 to find Ruth, but Ancestry have her as a single entry even though she is only 5. I couldn't find a match for William. I'd suggest you try look at an alternative census source like FindMyPast or others. Often they have different transcriptions and spellings. I'd also try and trace William and Ruth through subsequent censuses. Often parents or relative come back to live with them in old age. I think it's a case of roll up the sleeves and get into some hard research. Peter The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There's a marriage of an Albert Stimpson in Hackney in 1883 on FreeBMD where there are only three names on the page - the missing one might be Margaret. Alternatively there's a birth in June 1884 Islington of Margaret Priscilla Stimpson (Islington registration district includes Barnsbury). In 1891 in Dunstable one of Albert's children is Margaret P Stimpson age 7 born Barnsbury. If you buy the birth cert you'll get the mother's maiden name David anna ashley <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi, I am new to the list, I have a mysterious ancestor who i hope some one may be able to help me with. Albert Stimpson born 1842 dunstable(no sign of a birth on ancestry). He doesnt appear on a census until 1871 in london. He then marries a caroline mailles in 1877. But in 1881 he is married to a Margaret from islington a lot younger than albert(no record of a marriage). Caroline is back using her maiden name. 1891 and 1901 he is back in dunstable running a grocers shop and stiffening hats. who were his parents? what was Margarets Maiden Name was he divorced, or did he not marry margaret. At a real dead end here, please help Thanks, Robert The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

In 1851 in Church St Dunstable a Stimpson family was living next door to Thomas and Caroline Oliver, 33 and 30, and Albert S Oliver 9. The IGI (I batch whereever that was sourced) has an 1848 marriage in Lambeth between Thomas Oliver and Caroline Stimpson. FreeBMD has a birth in the Sept quarter 1841 in Luton registration district of Albert Oliver. Perhaps Albert S Oliver was actually Albert Stimpson, illegitimate son of Caroline Stimpson and Thomas Oliver? £7 will confirm it one way or the other David anna ashley <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi, I am new to the list, I have a mysterious ancestor who i hope some one may be able to help me with. Albert Stimpson born 1842 dunstable(no sign of a birth on ancestry). He doesnt appear on a census until 1871 in london. He then marries a caroline mailles in 1877. But in 1881 he is married to a Margaret from islington a lot younger than albert(no record of a marriage). Caroline is back using her maiden name. 1891 and 1901 he is back in dunstable running a grocers shop and stiffening hats. who were his parents? what was Margarets Maiden Name was he divorced, or did he not marry margaret. At a real dead end here, please help Thanks, Robert The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

hi, Thanks, was hoping i could save a bit of money but it looks like i might have to buy a certificate ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: [BDF] RE : albert stimpson In 1851 in Church St Dunstable a Stimpson family was living next door to Thomas and Caroline Oliver, 33 and 30, and Albert S Oliver 9. The IGI (I batch whereever that was sourced) has an 1848 marriage in Lambeth between Thomas Oliver and Caroline Stimpson. FreeBMD has a birth in the Sept quarter 1841 in Luton registration district of Albert Oliver. Perhaps Albert S Oliver was actually Albert Stimpson, illegitimate son of Caroline Stimpson and Thomas Oliver? £7 will confirm it one way or the other David anna ashley <[email protected]> a écrit : Hi, I am new to the list, I have a mysterious ancestor who i hope some one may be able to help me with. Albert Stimpson born 1842 dunstable(no sign of a birth on ancestry). He doesnt appear on a census until 1871 in london. He then marries a caroline mailles in 1877. But in 1881 he is married to a Margaret from islington a lot younger than albert(no record of a marriage). Caroline is back using her maiden name. 1891 and 1901 he is back in dunstable running a grocers shop and stiffening hats. who were his parents? what was Margarets Maiden Name was he divorced, or did he not marry margaret. At a real dead end here, please help Thanks, Robert The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I am new to the list, I have a mysterious ancestor who i hope some one may be able to help me with. Albert Stimpson born 1842 dunstable(no sign of a birth on ancestry). He doesnt appear on a census until 1871 in london. He then marries a caroline mailles in 1877. But in 1881 he is married to a Margaret from islington a lot younger than albert(no record of a marriage). Caroline is back using her maiden name. 1891 and 1901 he is back in dunstable running a grocers shop and stiffening hats. who were his parents? what was Margarets Maiden Name was he divorced, or did he not marry margaret. At a real dead end here, please help Thanks, Robert

> Keith Darnell wrote: > > Hi Eve I have a marriage Cert in my hand where the fathers of both > > parties are not entered and I got the Cert because I wanted to find > > out who the mans father was regards There is always one! Although it could happen that both were illegitimate, the chances are that the local vicar just had a rooted objection to entering more information than he had before 1837. You do find these difficult chaps from time to time - have to wait till they die before the entries are properly made in the parish.

> Keith Darnell wrote: > > Hi Eve I have a marriage Cert in my hand where the fathers of both > > parties are not entered and I got the Cert because I wanted to find > > out who the mans father was regards There is always one! Although it could happen that both were illegitimate, the chances are that the local vicar just had a rooted objection to entering more information than he had before 1837. You do find these difficult chaps from time to time - have to wait till they die before the entries are properly made in the parish.

I have a book which I bought a while ago in a car boot sale. I discovered that it was given to Mildred GUDGIN as a prize for Composition in January 1924. I would like the book to be returned to the GUDGIN family if possible and the only Mildred GUDGIN I can find was born in 1910. According to GenesReunited she was born in Silsoe, Bedfordshire and someone called Claudia ARIANO is interested in her. I am not a member of GenesReunited and so I cannot e-mail Claudia directly. If you know how to contact Claudia or you have an interest in the GUDGIN family, I would be delighted to hear from you. I am only asking for my expenses to be reimbursed in order to return the book to the right family. Oh yes, the book is an illustrated edition of Little Saint Elizabeth and Other Stories by Frances Hodgson Burnett. Thanks, John

Kia Ora Keith Probably my luck as well! Marlene Keith Darnell wrote: > Hi Eve I have a marriage Cert in my hand where the fathers of both parties > are not entered and I got the Cert because I wanted to find out who the mans > father was regards Keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:32 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] COOPER Mystery... > > > >> On 16 Apr 2008 at 1:01, [email protected] wrote: >> >> >>> > I wonder if anyone can check whether this scenario is >>> correct for me >>> >>>> please? I have: Mary COOPER baptised 1829 Riseley marrying Thomas >>>> SMITH on 29 July 1850 Riseley (IGI). Sept Q 1850 6/59 Father John >>>> Cooper. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Cooper ( Mary's sister) >>>> I think: Mary SMITH died Sept Q 1850. (Free BMD) Probably buried >>>> Riseley. I think Thomas SMITH might then have married Phoebe COOPER >>>> (Mary's sister) June Q 1851.Bedford 6/85 (Free BMD) I think: Phoebe >>>> SMITH also died June Q 1856 3b/197.Bedford >>>> >>> Legally, Thomas who married Mary could not have >>> married her sister then. True, this sometimes happened, >>> but mostly the couple would have to go well away from >>> where they were known. >>> Thomas Smith is such a common name that this is >>> >> (unfinished at the time) quite probably a marriage of an entirely >> different man, not even necessarily related. >> I think someone found you the likely death of Mary in late 1850, so a >> remarriage in the same place in the next year looks more like your >> ancestral man. >> Of course, the actual marriage entry would settle the question - the >> father of Thomas Smith in each case will be shown >> >>>> The problem with this scenario is that a Thomas SMITH married Agnes >>>> Peasnall at Riseley in June Q 1851 >>>> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG. >> Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 >> 6:10 PM >> >> >> > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Rick, I think you mean Abraham and Elizabeth were married about 1818. So they would be born about 1797. I think the clue might be their birthplaces which you neglected to give. 1841 will only say if born in county, so you should use data from 1851 & 1861. You should also list out their birth years as derived from census ages. Remember 1841 is rounded, so use 1851 & 1861 and check for consistency. Check also for people who might be living with them or nearby. Often you might find relatives next door. Peter

Is anyone visiting the BRO shortly and would be willing to check their index of wills for me? Thanks, Graham

I'll try to repeat the cut and paste and see if it works better second time! You have two issues: - finding their marriage, which in all probability will not give you fathers' names - finding their baptisms from which you will learn their parents' names 1. The IGI shows 10 children baptised, all in CaddingtonCaddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA204800E">, the first in May 1819, so the marriage was probably 1818/19. Abraham PunterPunter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA204800B"> married Elizabeth CowperCowper Surname Facts Cowper Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048007"> at Flamstead Herts on 31 Dec 1818 (per BVRI). You need to check the microfilm at your nearest Family History Centre of the LDS, or at HertfordHertford Surname Facts Hertford Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048002">, to get any extra detail on the entry, such as witnesses who may provide a clue as to Elizabeth's background in particular (see below) 2. In 1851 AbrahamAbraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048013"> aged 61 gave his birthplace as CaddingtonCaddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA204800F">, and Elizabeth 53 gave hers as Stopsley (in 1861 Elizabeth widow gave her age as 65 born Ramridge End, which is in Stopsley) The IGI at www.familysearch.org has a baptism of an Abraham PunterAbraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048014">Punter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA204800C"> in CaddingtonCaddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048010"> in 1791 which looks like yours. Parents William and Sarah. At that time Stopsley was a hamlet of LutonLuton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048004"> but I can't see a baptism in LutonLuton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048005"> at the right time of an Elizabeth CooCoo Surname Facts Coo Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048009">(w)per - I assume you got her name from the birth certificate of one of her younger children. The children who appear in 1841 and 1851 all have their birthplace as Herts or Markyate/Flamstead. It doesn't look as though they ever lived in CaddingtonCaddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwlA2048011">, despite baptising all ten children there. David David <[email protected]> a écrit : What was wrong with my response to your cross post on the other board? In 1851 and 1861 the family was in Flamstead (minus Abraham in 1861). It read You have two issues: - finding their marriage, which in all probability will not give you fathers' names - finding their baptisms from which you will learn their parents' names 1. The IGI shows 10 children baptised, all in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517E">Caddington, the first in May 1819, so the marriage was probably 1818/19. Abraham Punter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517B">Punter married Elizabeth Cowper Surname Facts Cowper Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445177">Cowper at Flamstead Herts on 31 Dec 1818 (per BVRI). You need to check the microfilm at your nearest Family History Centre of the LDS, or at Hertford Surname Facts Hertford Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445172">Hertford, to get any extra detail on the entry, such as witnesses who may provide a clue as to Elizabeth's background in particular (see below) 2. In 1851 Abraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445183">Abraham aged 61 gave his birthplace as Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517F">Caddington, and Elizabeth 53 gave hers as Stopsley (in 1861 Elizabeth widow gave her age as 65 born Ramridge End, which is in Stopsley) The IGI at www.familysearch.org has a baptism of an Abraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445184">Abraham Punter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517C">Punter in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445180">Caddington in 1791 which looks like yours. Parents William and Sarah. At that time Stopsley was a hamlet of Luton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445174">Luton but I can't see a baptism in Luton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445175">Luton at the right time of an Elizabeth Coo Surname Facts Coo Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445179">Coo(w)per - I assume you got her name from the birth certificate of one of her younger children. The children who appear in 1841 and 1851 all have their birthplace as Herts or Markyate/Flamstead. It doesn't look as though they ever lived in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445181">Caddington, despite baptising all ten children there. David rick smith a écrit : Hoping you can help with a cross boundary issue Abraham and Elizabeth were born about 1818 probably in Caddington. They had 8 eight children from 1820 and 1840 all of whom were christened in Caddington. I have found the family in the 1841 census living in Flamstead, just over in Hertfordshire and in Luton in the 1851 and 1861 censuses I am however unable to find on the IGI the marriage nor either of their respective parents All help gratefully received Rick Smith The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

What was wrong with my response to your cross post on the other board? In 1851 and 1861 the family was in Flamstead (minus Abraham in 1861). It read You have two issues: - finding their marriage, which in all probability will not give you fathers' names - finding their baptisms from which you will learn their parents' names 1. The IGI shows 10 children baptised, all in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517E">Caddington, the first in May 1819, so the marriage was probably 1818/19. Abraham Punter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517B">Punter married Elizabeth Cowper Surname Facts Cowper Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445177">Cowper at Flamstead Herts on 31 Dec 1818 (per BVRI). You need to check the microfilm at your nearest Family History Centre of the LDS, or at Hertford Surname Facts Hertford Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445172">Hertford, to get any extra detail on the entry, such as witnesses who may provide a clue as to Elizabeth's background in particular (see below) 2. In 1851 Abraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445183">Abraham aged 61 gave his birthplace as Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517F">Caddington, and Elizabeth 53 gave hers as Stopsley (in 1861 Elizabeth widow gave her age as 65 born Ramridge End, which is in Stopsley) The IGI at www.familysearch.org has a baptism of an Abraham Surname Facts Abraham Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445184">Abraham Punter Surname Facts Punter Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl44517C">Punter in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445180">Caddington in 1791 which looks like yours. Parents William and Sarah. At that time Stopsley was a hamlet of Luton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445174">Luton but I can't see a baptism in Luton Surname Facts Luton Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445175">Luton at the right time of an Elizabeth Coo Surname Facts Coo Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445179">Coo(w)per - I assume you got her name from the birth certificate of one of her younger children. The children who appear in 1841 and 1851 all have their birthplace as Herts or Markyate/Flamstead. It doesn't look as though they ever lived in Caddington Surname Facts Caddington Surname Board turn off links ','Related Resources',null,null,200,750,300);" onmouseout="TGN.Util.HoverTip.startHideHoverTipTimer();" id="kwl445181">Caddington, despite baptising all ten children there. David rick smith <[email protected]> a écrit : Hoping you can help with a cross boundary issue Abraham and Elizabeth were born about 1818 probably in Caddington. They had 8 eight children from 1820 and 1840 all of whom were christened in Caddington. I have found the family in the 1841 census living in Flamstead, just over in Hertfordshire and in Luton in the 1851 and 1861 censuses I am however unable to find on the IGI the marriage nor either of their respective parents All help gratefully received Rick Smith The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

Hoping you can help with a cross boundary issue Abraham and Elizabeth were born about 1818 probably in Caddington. They had 8 eight children from 1820 and 1840 all of whom were christened in Caddington. I have found the family in the 1841 census living in Flamstead, just over in Hertfordshire and in Luton in the 1851 and 1861 censuses I am however unable to find on the IGI the marriage nor either of their respective parents All help gratefully received Rick Smith

Hi Eve I have a marriage Cert in my hand where the fathers of both parties are not entered and I got the Cert because I wanted to find out who the mans father was regards Keith ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] COOPER Mystery... > On 16 Apr 2008 at 1:01, [email protected] wrote: > >> > I wonder if anyone can check whether this scenario is >> correct for me >> > please? I have: Mary COOPER baptised 1829 Riseley marrying Thomas >> > SMITH on 29 July 1850 Riseley (IGI). Sept Q 1850 6/59 Father John >> > Cooper. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Cooper ( Mary's sister) >> > I think: Mary SMITH died Sept Q 1850. (Free BMD) Probably buried >> > Riseley. I think Thomas SMITH might then have married Phoebe COOPER >> > (Mary's sister) June Q 1851.Bedford 6/85 (Free BMD) I think: Phoebe >> > SMITH also died June Q 1856 3b/197.Bedford >> >> Legally, Thomas who married Mary could not have >> married her sister then. True, this sometimes happened, >> but mostly the couple would have to go well away from >> where they were known. >> Thomas Smith is such a common name that this is > > (unfinished at the time) quite probably a marriage of an entirely > different man, not even necessarily related. > I think someone found you the likely death of Mary in late 1850, so a > remarriage in the same place in the next year looks more like your > ancestral man. > Of course, the actual marriage entry would settle the question - the > father of Thomas Smith in each case will be shown >> > >> > The problem with this scenario is that a Thomas SMITH married Agnes >> > Peasnall at Riseley in June Q 1851 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.519 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1379 - Release Date: 4/15/2008 > 6:10 PM > >

Bill, So to put it succinctly William Haites(Yeates etc) marries Lydia Dickens in 1806 at Ampthill. They have a daughter Elizabeth Yates in 1807. ( In 1841 they are listed as Yales.) Elizabeth marries Thomas Bunker c1827 and the couple have 3 children Sarah c1831, William c1833 and Ruth c1835. Thomas looks to have died between 1835 and 1844. In 1845, Elizabeth marries for a second time to John Chapman. I presume you have found them in 1851 and any children. Also in 1851, William Bunker c1833 and Ruth Bunker c1835 are living with their grandparents William Yates and Lydia. It looks like Joseph is born between Elizabeth's first and second marriage. You don't give his surname. But you have certificates that don't show a father and you must have him in later census records. You could try bastardy bonds at A2A. There is no obvious Lydia Dickens on IGI. All I can suggest here is to use the Hugh Wallis site of IGI batches. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyBedford.htm#PageTitle In batch, you can search batches in surrounding parishes using only given name of Lydia. Peter

On 16 Apr 2008 at 1:01, [email protected] wrote: > > I wonder if anyone can check whether this scenario is > correct for me > > please? I have: Mary COOPER baptised 1829 Riseley marrying Thomas > > SMITH on 29 July 1850 Riseley (IGI). Sept Q 1850 6/59 Father John > > Cooper. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Cooper ( Mary's sister) > > I think: Mary SMITH died Sept Q 1850. (Free BMD) Probably buried > > Riseley. I think Thomas SMITH might then have married Phoebe COOPER > > (Mary's sister) June Q 1851.Bedford 6/85 (Free BMD) I think: Phoebe > > SMITH also died June Q 1856 3b/197.Bedford > > Legally, Thomas who married Mary could not have > married her sister then. True, this sometimes happened, > but mostly the couple would have to go well away from > where they were known. > Thomas Smith is such a common name that this is (unfinished at the time) quite probably a marriage of an entirely different man, not even necessarily related. I think someone found you the likely death of Mary in late 1850, so a remarriage in the same place in the next year looks more like your ancestral man. Of course, the actual marriage entry would settle the question - the father of Thomas Smith in each case will be shown > > > > The problem with this scenario is that a Thomas SMITH married Agnes > > Peasnall at Riseley in June Q 1851

On 16 Apr 2008 at 1:01, [email protected] wrote: > > I wonder if anyone can check whether this scenario is > correct for me > > please? I have: Mary COOPER baptised 1829 Riseley marrying Thomas > > SMITH on 29 July 1850 Riseley (IGI). Sept Q 1850 6/59 Father John > > Cooper. A witness at the wedding was Phoebe Cooper ( Mary's sister) > > I think: Mary SMITH died Sept Q 1850. (Free BMD) Probably buried > > Riseley. I think Thomas SMITH might then have married Phoebe COOPER > > (Mary's sister) June Q 1851.Bedford 6/85 (Free BMD) I think: Phoebe > > SMITH also died June Q 1856 3b/197.Bedford > > Legally, Thomas who married Mary could not have > married her sister then. True, this sometimes happened, > but mostly the couple would have to go well away from > where they were known. > Thomas Smith is such a common name that this is (unfinished at the time) quite probably a marriage of an entirely different man, not even necessarily related. I think someone found you the likely death of Mary in late 1850, so a remarriage in the same place in the next year looks more like your ancestral man. Of course, the actual marriage entry would settle the question - the father of Thomas Smith in each case will be shown > > > > The problem with this scenario is that a Thomas SMITH married Agnes > > Peasnall at Riseley in June Q 1851

Hi Heather Probably too early for you but I have a John PARKER married to a Mary CHALKLY in 1740 at Flitton. I don't know where John Parker was born. Regards Kerrie > I have Manning from 1791, Parker from 1767 . These folk were from Eaton > Socon, Gt Barford and Colsedon Roxton if of interest to you Elizabeth or > anyone else on this list.