Hi Rachel, Sorry but Henry is not down as a widower. The marriage 2 before has widower so it looks like that was noted because I know some Parish Registers don't have it in their transcriptions. Carol > >Hello Listers, >I'm hoping someone can help me out with a lookup in Lidlington parish >register for a marriage between Henry GOODMAN & Ann WARD which took >place on 5 September 1793 at Lidlington. I'm particularly interested >in whether Henry was a widower. >Thanks for any help, >Rachel > >Researching Hurst, Goodman, Keep, Hull in Bedfordshire > >_________________________________________________________________ >Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with >Email Australia. >http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Carol Rudram

Hi Rachel, Are the HULL family in the village of Eversholt by any chance? Roy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rudram" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Goodman marriage in Lidlington > Hi Rachel, > Sorry but Henry is not down as a widower. The marriage 2 before has > widower so it looks like that was noted because I know some Parish > Registers don't have it in their transcriptions. > > Carol >> >>Hello Listers, >>I'm hoping someone can help me out with a lookup in Lidlington parish >>register for a marriage between Henry GOODMAN & Ann WARD which took >>place on 5 September 1793 at Lidlington. I'm particularly interested >>in whether Henry was a widower. >>Thanks for any help, >>Rachel >> >>Researching Hurst, Goodman, Keep, Hull in Bedfordshire >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with >>Email Australia. >>http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au >> >> >> >>The List Guidelines >> >>http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Carol Rudram > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Listers, I'm hoping someone can help me out with a lookup in Lidlington parish register for a marriage between Henry GOODMAN & Ann WARD which took place on 5 September 1793 at Lidlington. I'm particularly interested in whether Henry was a widower. Thanks for any help, Rachel Researching Hurst, Goodman, Keep, Hull in Bedfordshire _________________________________________________________________ Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with Email Australia. http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au

Hi Peter I know it sometimes takes an awfully long time to find even 1 peice of information. As I work full time I am not able to spend as much time as I would like pursuing this hobby so I truely appreciate the help you have given me. Many many thanks for the hours you have spent helping me. I think this will help me break the stonewall I have been hitting for a few years. Michelle

Michelle, I have spent many hours on this. I understand that it's very difficult, but it's going to need that sort of commitment. Following on the 1881 census image that I sent you of what I think is the family, I traced that same family to 1891 and 1901. In 1881 and 1891 they are listed as Hooton, but in 1901 they have been mistranscribed as Horton. And here's a lesson for all researchers. The spelling might be different depending on which supplier you use. Ancestry may be different to 1901 Site and FindMyPast may have a third variant. At least FindMyPast will fix it. Richard Hooton and Sarah had six sons E.G c1870, William c1875, Frederick I c1876, Ernest A c1877, Richardson c1883 and Leonard c1888. By 1891, E.G. looks to have left home. By 1901 William too is absent. You indicated a suspicion he may be at Boer War. One of the other brothers is also a soldier. The father being a policeman and the sons in military indicate a history of service, consistent with the later distinguished career of William. This should get you going. Try and trace the absent sons and follow up with possible marriages. You should be able to find some current day descendants in UK. Peter

Michelle, Medal Record Cards are on Ancestry.com or Ancestry.co.uk. But the card that you mention has no additional information, except that it was the Victory Medal which nearly all servicemen received. However, it does prove he was in SA by 1914 and was not in a normal British Regiment. Have you tried looking for records for British South African Police ? I found this family in 1881 census. There is a William and an Eric, and the father is a policeman. Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Richard HOOTON Head M Male 32 Town, Pembroke, Wales Police Constable Sarah HOOTON Wife M Female 30 Tring, Hertford, England E.G. HOOTON Son Male 11 London, Middlesex, England William HOOTON Son Male 6 London, Middlesex, England Frederick HOOTON Son Male 4 London, Middlesex, England Ernest HOOTON Son Male 3 London, Middlesex, England Richard AVIS Boarder W Male 44 Tunbridge Wells, Kent, England Carpenter Charles PULFER Boarder U Male 40 London, Middlesex, England Carpenter William BIRD Boarder M Male 35 London, Middlesex, England Carpenter -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling 7 Gardnor Road Census Place London, Middlesex, England Family History Library Film 1341036 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 0168 / 94 Page Number 31 Peter

That's lucky - the first of the links I gave is about the Eaton Socon Armstrongs David --- En date de : Dim 18.5.08, Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Re : Armstrong Family > À: [email protected], [email protected] > Date: Dimanche 18 Mai 2008, 22h10 > My apoligogies they are from the Eaton Socon area I believe > > On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM, David > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Pity you don't mention where your Armstrongs are > from in Beds. > > > > Check out a couple of threads on Rootschat > > > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,290766.new.html#new > > and > > > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,230898.0.html > > > > David > > > > > > --- En date de : Dim 18.5.08, Nicci Hartland > <[email protected]> a > > écrit : > > > > > De: Nicci Hartland > <[email protected]> > > > Objet: [BDF] Armstrong Family > > > À: [email protected] > > > Date: Dimanche 18 Mai 2008, 20h00 > > > Hi Listers, > > > > > > I am looking for anyone who is researching the > Armstrong > > > family in > > > Bedfordshire. > > > > > > Listings I have so far: > > > > > > Elizabeth b 1834 bap 11th May 1834 Parents John > Armstrong > > > & Elizabeth ? > > > *Fanny Elizabeth b. abt March 1859 M. William > Payne 12th > > > Nov 1875 Mother > > > Sarah ?* > > > Frances (Fanny) b 1838 bap. 16th Dec 1838 Parents > John > > > Armstrong & Elizabeth > > > ? > > > Isabella b. abt 1860 Mother Elizabeth Armstrong > > > *John b. abt 1796 parents unknown* > > > John b. abt June 1863 M Jane Elizabeth Read abt > March 1892 > > > Parents Sarah > > > Mary b. abt 1829 bap. 4th Jan 1829 Parents John > Armstrong > > > & Elizabeth (She > > > may also have a daughter Mary) > > > *Sarah b. abt 1839 bap 16 Dec 1838 Parents John > Armstrong > > > & Elizabeth* > > > Susan b abt 1831 bap 7th Nov 1830 Parents John > Armstrong > > > & Elizabeth > > > > > > The listing in bold are my grandparents > > > > > > If anyone has any information on these people I > would > > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Nicci > > > > > > -- > > > Researching: > > > > > > Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire > > > Smith - Middlesex, London > > > Sweet - Somerset > > > Marshall - Devon > > > Birmingham - ? Ireland > > > Lennard - St Pancras > > > Achurch - Northamptonshire > > > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la > meilleure protection > > possible contre les messages non sollicités > > http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > Researching: > > Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire > Smith - Middlesex, London > Sweet - Somerset > Marshall - Devon > Birmingham - ? Ireland > Lennard - St Pancras > Achurch - Northamptonshire __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

Pity you don't mention where your Armstrongs are from in Beds. Check out a couple of threads on Rootschat http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,290766.new.html#new and http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,230898.0.html David --- En date de : Dim 18.5.08, Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> > Objet: [BDF] Armstrong Family > À: [email protected] > Date: Dimanche 18 Mai 2008, 20h00 > Hi Listers, > > I am looking for anyone who is researching the Armstrong > family in > Bedfordshire. > > Listings I have so far: > > Elizabeth b 1834 bap 11th May 1834 Parents John Armstrong > & Elizabeth ? > *Fanny Elizabeth b. abt March 1859 M. William Payne 12th > Nov 1875 Mother > Sarah ?* > Frances (Fanny) b 1838 bap. 16th Dec 1838 Parents John > Armstrong & Elizabeth > ? > Isabella b. abt 1860 Mother Elizabeth Armstrong > *John b. abt 1796 parents unknown* > John b. abt June 1863 M Jane Elizabeth Read abt March 1892 > Parents Sarah > Mary b. abt 1829 bap. 4th Jan 1829 Parents John Armstrong > & Elizabeth (She > may also have a daughter Mary) > *Sarah b. abt 1839 bap 16 Dec 1838 Parents John Armstrong > & Elizabeth* > Susan b abt 1831 bap 7th Nov 1830 Parents John Armstrong > & Elizabeth > > The listing in bold are my grandparents > > If anyone has any information on these people I would > greatly appreciate it. > > Regards > > Nicci > > -- > Researching: > > Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire > Smith - Middlesex, London > Sweet - Somerset > Marshall - Devon > Birmingham - ? Ireland > Lennard - St Pancras > Achurch - Northamptonshire > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail

My apoligogies they are from the Eaton Socon area I believe On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 4:05 PM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > Pity you don't mention where your Armstrongs are from in Beds. > > Check out a couple of threads on Rootschat > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,290766.new.html#new > and > http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,230898.0.html > > David > > > --- En date de : Dim 18.5.08, Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > > De: Nicci Hartland <[email protected]> > > Objet: [BDF] Armstrong Family > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Dimanche 18 Mai 2008, 20h00 > > Hi Listers, > > > > I am looking for anyone who is researching the Armstrong > > family in > > Bedfordshire. > > > > Listings I have so far: > > > > Elizabeth b 1834 bap 11th May 1834 Parents John Armstrong > > & Elizabeth ? > > *Fanny Elizabeth b. abt March 1859 M. William Payne 12th > > Nov 1875 Mother > > Sarah ?* > > Frances (Fanny) b 1838 bap. 16th Dec 1838 Parents John > > Armstrong & Elizabeth > > ? > > Isabella b. abt 1860 Mother Elizabeth Armstrong > > *John b. abt 1796 parents unknown* > > John b. abt June 1863 M Jane Elizabeth Read abt March 1892 > > Parents Sarah > > Mary b. abt 1829 bap. 4th Jan 1829 Parents John Armstrong > > & Elizabeth (She > > may also have a daughter Mary) > > *Sarah b. abt 1839 bap 16 Dec 1838 Parents John Armstrong > > & Elizabeth* > > Susan b abt 1831 bap 7th Nov 1830 Parents John Armstrong > > & Elizabeth > > > > The listing in bold are my grandparents > > > > If anyone has any information on these people I would > > greatly appreciate it. > > > > Regards > > > > Nicci > > > > -- > > Researching: > > > > Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire > > Smith - Middlesex, London > > Sweet - Somerset > > Marshall - Devon > > Birmingham - ? Ireland > > Lennard - St Pancras > > Achurch - Northamptonshire > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection > possible contre les messages non sollicités > http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Researching: Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire Smith - Middlesex, London Sweet - Somerset Marshall - Devon Birmingham - ? Ireland Lennard - St Pancras Achurch - Northamptonshire

Hi Listers, I am looking for anyone who is researching the Armstrong family in Bedfordshire. Listings I have so far: Elizabeth b 1834 bap 11th May 1834 Parents John Armstrong & Elizabeth ? *Fanny Elizabeth b. abt March 1859 M. William Payne 12th Nov 1875 Mother Sarah ?* Frances (Fanny) b 1838 bap. 16th Dec 1838 Parents John Armstrong & Elizabeth ? Isabella b. abt 1860 Mother Elizabeth Armstrong *John b. abt 1796 parents unknown* John b. abt June 1863 M Jane Elizabeth Read abt March 1892 Parents Sarah Mary b. abt 1829 bap. 4th Jan 1829 Parents John Armstrong & Elizabeth (She may also have a daughter Mary) *Sarah b. abt 1839 bap 16 Dec 1838 Parents John Armstrong & Elizabeth* Susan b abt 1831 bap 7th Nov 1830 Parents John Armstrong & Elizabeth The listing in bold are my grandparents If anyone has any information on these people I would greatly appreciate it. Regards Nicci -- Researching: Flint - Bedfordshire. Huntingdonshire Smith - Middlesex, London Sweet - Somerset Marshall - Devon Birmingham - ? Ireland Lennard - St Pancras Achurch - Northamptonshire

Hi All I found this meadl information on William Hoaten. Does anyone know what this medal would have been awarded for? Description Medal card of Hoaten, William C Corps Regiment No Rank British South African Police Lieutenant Date 1914-1920 Catalogue reference WO 372/9 Dept Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Series War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War Piece Hampton E - Holland D Image contains 1 medal card of many for this collection Thanks Michelle

This Indenture made the Twenty Ninth Day of September in the Fifth Year of the Reign of our Sovereign Lord George the Second by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King Defender of the Faith, &c Annoq; Dom 1731 Witnesseth, That Thomas Gee and Thomas Wiles Jun Churchwardens of the Parish of Eaton Socon in the County of Bedford And Joseph Farr John Smith and Henry Fox Overseers of the Poor of the said Parish, by and with the consent of his Majesty's Justices of the Peace for the said County whose Names are hereunto subscribed, have put and placed, and by these Presents do put and place Robert Beadles a poor Child of the said Parish, Apprentice to William Abbys of Wieboston in the said Parish of Eaton Socon with him to dwell and serve from the Day of the Date of these Presents, until the said Apprentice shall accomplish the full Terme of seven years from a time next ensuing & full to be compleat & ended according to the Statute in that Case made and provided: During all which term, the said Apprentice his said Master faithfully shall serve in all lawful Business, according to his Power, Wit, and Ability; and honestly, orderly, and obediently in all Things demean and behave himself towards his said master and all his during the said term. And the said William Abbys for himself, his Executors and Administrators, doth Covenant and Grant to and with the said Churchwardens and Overseers, and every of them, their and every of their Executors and Administrators, and their and every of their Successors for the time being, by these Presents, That the said William Abbys the said Apprentice in the way and business of husbandry Shall teach and instruct or cause to be taught and instructed whereby to get his living And shall and will, during all the term aforesaid, find, provide and allow unto the said Apprentice, meet, competent, and sufficient Meat, Drink, and Apparel, Lodging Washing and all other things necessary and fit for an Apprentice. And also shall and will so provide for the said Apprentice, that he be not any way a Charge to the said Parish, or Parishioners of the same; but of and from all Charge shall and will save the said Parish and Parishioners harmless and indemnified during the said term. And at the end of the said term, shall and will make, provide, allow and deliver unto the said Apprentice double Apparel of all sorts, good and new, (that is to say) a good new suit for the Holy-days, and another for the Working-days. In Witness whereof, the Parties abovesaid to the present Indentures interchangeably have put their Hands and Seals the Day and Year above-written. Sealed and Delivered in the Presence of John Woolerston John Smith Senr We whose Names are subscribed, Justices of the Peace (Quorum Unus) for the County aforesaid do (hereby) consent to the putting forth of the abovesaid Robert Beadles Apprentice, according to the Intent and Meaning of the Indenture abovesaid. Ri Hillersdon Hum Maneux Wm Abbiss Memord the day and year within Written The within Named Churchwardens and Overseers of the poor for and in Consideration of all and singular the Agreements within Mentioned and expressed to be performed and kept Have paid at the ensealing of the these present Indentures unto the within named William Abbys the sum of Fourty Shillings towards the within named Robert Beadles Apprenticeshipp And the said Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor do Further promise and agree that the Successors of them for the time being shall well and truly pay or cause to be paid to the said William Abbys his Executors Administrators or Assignes the further sum of Twenty Shillings a year for the terme pf three years to come and the further Sum of Ten Shillings more untill the full Sum of Three pounds and Ten Shillings more (Over and above the said Sum of Fourty Shillings) shall be fully paid and discharged which will make in all the Sum of Five pounds and Ten Shillings being the full and whole sum of the contract money for the said Robert Beadles Apprenticeshipp. Provided Nevertheless that in case the said Robert Beadles shall happen to dye before any or any part of the said Twenty Shillings a year or the ten Shillings Shall become due and payable Then so much as shall not be due or payable before the Death of the said Robert Beadles shall then become Void and unpayable Robt Beadles Indenture of his Apprenticeshipp with Wm Abbys

Thanks to all who gave me some advise. I will have to extend my search to Hooten and Houghton. Does anyone have any information on these surnames. Thanks Michelle

Hello Listers, I have been researching my husband's family of Medlow/Boston family around Little Staughton. On the OPR for Little Staughton they seem to have been members of the established Church of England up to the mid 1800's plus. In 1845 Samuel Medlow married a Charlotte Boston in the Little Staughton Meeting House 'according to the Rites and Ceremonies of the Protestant Dissenters'. Could anyone give me any information as to whether there was any one particular circumstance in this Parish about this time that made some parishioners transfer to another Church, or was it an ongoing thing which just happened in people's personal circumstances? Cheeers Avril

Not sure about Felmersham, but has amyone told you there is a hamlet of Radwell in Hertfordshire? I think it has its own church, but if not, the nearest churches are Baldock, Norton (herts and Stotfold (Beds). Heather

I have HOOTON in my line ( my maternal grandmother was a Hooton), who was born in London, but her mother was a SAMUELS who came from Leighton Buzzard, Bedford. Sheila Gold Coast Australia Hi Michelle, I had a brickwall with a relative with the surname of HOOTEN or HOOTON. Now there comes a pronunciation which can be regional and confused with HOUGHTON. I found all 3 versions in one family record and my HOOTEN is descended from HOUGHTON My group came from Thurleigh to the north of Bedford. Maybe if you also look under Houghton it just could give you a lead. Hope this may help Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michelle Essers Sent: 12 May 2008 17:50 To: [email protected] Subject: [BDF] HOATEN Hi all I have hit a blank wall with my ggf William Charles Hoaten. I believe he came from England. This surname seems to be rather uncommon and as I have been told there were Hoatens in Bedford, I am hoping someone here can help break this wall. >From Findmypast WC Hoaten appears to have traveled from London to South Africa (Cape) in 1899. He was listed as Wm Hoaten, born in 1874. There was also a W Hoaten (b 187 and E Hoaten (b 1886) who traveled from Southampton to South Africa (Cape) in 1907. He moved from South Africa to Rhodesia where he retired as a Major in the Defense Force. When I google this surname I get lots fo hits for the town but nothing for the surname. He died in Rhodesia and it is almost impossible to get a copy of his Death cert from Zimbabwe, so this source is a dead end too. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find out about him? Thanks Michelle Israel The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1420 - Release Date: 07/05/2008 14:12 The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.16/1429 - Release Date: 12/05/08 6:14 PM

Michelle, I've looked at a number of your messages at various forums. I know information is scarce, but unfortunately I don't think you present the readers with sufficient overview or factual data. The one fact you should have is that Mabel Cookson first married Alexander Crombie in March qtr 1899 at Tendring, Essex. So her marriage to William Hoaten wasn't until some years later. I couldn't find a Mabel Crombie in 1901 census, so I'm wondering if they migrated to South Africa immediately after their marriage. You also say that their son Eric was born in Johannesburg, but again fail to mention specific dates. Do you know when and where Alexander Crombie died and how many children there were besides Eric? You can then pinpoint a date for Mabels' marriage to William Hoaten and Eric's subsequent change of name. Again, with Eric's marriage to Marjorie Shelton, you don't give dates and locations. Presumably in South Africa so no use looking at UK records. But I wonder if one of your family has Eric's marriage certificate which might give some extra details. The same can be said for the marriage of William Hoaten and Mabel Crombie. I also wonder about the migration record you found around 1903 with Wm Hoaten and E. Hoaten. You suggested the E. Hoaten was born c1886, so it can't be Eric. I wonder if this was William's first wife or a brother or sister. Their age would be about 17. Did the record show the person's sex.? The only established link to Bedfordshire comes from 1851 census where the only incidence of the Hoaten spelling in all England is at Cardington. Then the family disappear. Did they go to South Africa? It might be worthwhile having a look at this line. I happy to help anybody in need, but there are just too many missing pieces. Peter in Sydney

Michelle, I see you've been doing the rounds of the Rootsweb message boards and mailing lists. I think the problem is that you are not putting in known facts that relate to England. You keep telling stories about what happened when he got to South Africa. While these are very interesting, they don't help locate his UK roots. You have his wife, but you don't list out date and place of marriage. If he left UK in 1899, he would be 26, so presumably was married before he left. Try searching for a marriage on http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl That should give you a location. The most obvious places to look are 1881 and 1891 census. 1881 has 37 possibilities, but none with exact spelling. You can probably rule out William J, William H, etc. There is only one in Bedford, but you are not sure of his birthplace. You can check 1891 for yourself on FindMyPast. Remember to allow surname variants. Most come up as Hooton. Check also FreeBMD for births of William. But none come up as Hoaten or Hooten. Peter

Hi Michelle, I had a brickwall with a relative with the surname of HOOTEN or HOOTON. Now there comes a pronunciation which can be regional and confused with HOUGHTON. I found all 3 versions in one family record and my HOOTEN is descended from HOUGHTON My group came from Thurleigh to the north of Bedford. Maybe if you also look under Houghton it just could give you a lead. Hope this may help Dave -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Michelle Essers Sent: 12 May 2008 17:50 To: [email protected] Subject: [BDF] HOATEN Hi all I have hit a blank wall with my ggf William Charles Hoaten. I believe he came from England. This surname seems to be rather uncommon and as I have been told there were Hoatens in Bedford, I am hoping someone here can help break this wall. >From Findmypast WC Hoaten appears to have traveled from London to South Africa (Cape) in 1899. He was listed as Wm Hoaten, born in 1874. There was also a W Hoaten (b 187 and E Hoaten (b 1886) who traveled from Southampton to South Africa (Cape) in 1907. He moved from South Africa to Rhodesia where he retired as a Major in the Defense Force. When I google this surname I get lots fo hits for the town but nothing for the surname. He died in Rhodesia and it is almost impossible to get a copy of his Death cert from Zimbabwe, so this source is a dead end too. Does anyone have any ideas on how to find out about him? Thanks Michelle Israel The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.9/1420 - Release Date: 07/05/2008 14:12

At least one of the 1851 Cardington Hoaten family show in 1861 as HOUGHTON, and I would think that 1851 was just a spelling aberration. I had a quick look at FreeBMD last night and there was a William Charles Houghton born at the right time in Runcorn. Proving it's the one who who died in Rhodesia is another matter. If there is more information on other posts it's a pity that it wasn't given on this thread David --- En date de : Mar 13.5.08, Peter Booth <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: Peter Booth <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] HOATEN > À: [email protected] > Date: Mardi 13 Mai 2008, 5h15 > Michelle, > > I've looked at a number of your messages at various > forums. I know > information is scarce, but unfortunately I don't think > you present the > readers with sufficient overview or factual data. > > The one fact you should have is that Mabel Cookson > first married > Alexander Crombie in March qtr 1899 at Tendring, Essex. So > her marriage to > William Hoaten wasn't until some years later. > > I couldn't find a Mabel Crombie in 1901 census, so > I'm wondering if they > migrated to South Africa immediately after their marriage. > You also say that > their son Eric was born in Johannesburg, but again fail to > mention specific > dates. > > Do you know when and where Alexander Crombie died and > how many children > there were besides Eric? You can then pinpoint a date for > Mabels' marriage > to William Hoaten and Eric's subsequent change of name. > > Again, with Eric's marriage to Marjorie Shelton, > you don't give dates > and locations. Presumably in South Africa so no use looking > at UK records. > But I wonder if one of your family has Eric's marriage > certificate which > might give some extra details. The same can be said for the > marriage of > William Hoaten and Mabel Crombie. > > I also wonder about the migration record you found > around 1903 with Wm > Hoaten and E. Hoaten. You suggested the E. Hoaten was born > c1886, so it > can't be Eric. I wonder if this was William's first > wife or a brother or > sister. Their age would be about 17. Did the record show > the person's sex.? > > The only established link to Bedfordshire comes from > 1851 census where > the only incidence of the Hoaten spelling in all England is > at Cardington. > Then the family disappear. Did they go to South Africa? It > might be > worthwhile having a look at this line. > > I happy to help anybody in need, but there are just too > many missing > pieces. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? En finir avec le spam? Yahoo! Mail vous offre la meilleure protection possible contre les messages non sollicités http://mail.yahoo.fr Yahoo! Mail