Betty, Patti, and others This may help somebody with Richardson families around Maulden. Descendants of John RICHARDSON 1 John RICHARDSON b: 1769 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG . +Elizabeth ADDINGTON b: 1786 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG m: 1811 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ...... 2 Samuel RICHARDSON b: 1812 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: in Pre 1841 ...... 2 [1] Louisa RICHARDSON b: 1817 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG .......... +Samuel PARKER b: Abt. 1815 m: in ILLEGITIMATE ............... 3 Eliza RICHARDSON b: 1835 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ...... *2nd Husband of [1] Louisa RICHARDSON: .......... +Joseph CARTER b: Abt. 1815 m: 26 May 1845 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ............... 3 Joseph RICHARDSON b: 1839 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ...... 2 Rebecca RICHARDSON b: 1818 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG .......... +Samuel SHARP b: 1823 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK m: 16 Oct 1848 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK ...... 2 [2] Hannah RICHARDSON b: 1821 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: Sep 1883 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK .......... +Joseph DANIELS ............... 3 Hannah RICHARDSON (DANIELS) b: 03 Nov 1839 in MAULDEN. BEDFORDSHIRE ENG ................... +Charles ODELL b: 1836 m: 19 Apr 1861 in MAULDEN. BEDFORDSHIRE ENG ........................ 4 William ODELL b: Mar 1862 in MAULDEN. BEDS ...... *2nd Husband of [2] Hannah RICHARDSON: .......... +Francis COX b: 1819 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: Sep 1883 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK m: 25 Dec 1856 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ............... 3 Josiah COX b: Sep 1857 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ................... +Emma Elizabeth MONEY b: 1856 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG m: 17 Sep 1877 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Josiah COX b: Dec 1877 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Ellen COX b: Jun 1880 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Edward COX b: Jun 1883 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Hannah Elizabeth COX b: Sep 1885 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Francis COX b: Sep 1887 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Christopher COX b: Mar 1890 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Ethel COX b: Mar 1892 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ........................ 4 Maggy COX b: Mar 1899 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG ............... 3 Ellen COX b: 1860 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ...... 2 Edmund RICHARDSON b: 1822 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG ...... 2 George RICHARDSON b: 1824 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG Peter in Sydney

George, Sorry I've been a bit quiet. My daughter gets on the computer and I can't get a go. If you search Google using "bastardy bond" in inverted commas you will get some good definitions. Basically, what we now class as social security was the responsibility of the parish where they were born. So you have Poor Law Unions, Workhouses etc. I have seen cases where a widow and children where put on a cart and sent back to their parish of origin, because their new parish denied any responsibility for caring for them after the breadwinner died. As for James Hytt, we don't know what happened and it may be very difficult. I had exactly the same occurrence with my Cox ancestors from Bedford. The son stole a turkey and took it home to feed the family. Both were sentenced to transportation - the son for stealing and the father for receiving. Both went initially to the Hulks in the Thames because the gaols were full. There they would have waited for the transport ships. Imagine the conditions. The Hulks were ships that had outlived their usefulness and were leaky and rotting. Imagine the water and sanitary conditions with 400-500 prisoners on board. If you thought a three month trip to Australia was perilous, it was probably a luxury compared to the hulks. As for my family, I found the son in Australian convict records, but could never find his father. I surmised he died on the hulks and eventually was able to find a record proving this. He was deemed to ill for transportation and left to die. I will have to look back and see if I can locate the records of death on the hulks. But I think it was a ship by ship basis, so we may need a ship's name. It's also possible that he was transported elsewhere. Australia was not the only destination for transportation. I know Canada and the Caribbean were also used and perhaps there were others. Peter

Hi Peter Thanks for the Cox and Money marriages, I didnt have them. I do have a couple more children for John and Elizabeth Ann Richardson bap 22 Jan 1815 & Caroline Richardson bap 29 Dec 1815 and died Jan 1816. Samuel Richardson married Isabella Hitchcock (no marriage details yet) and had daughter Ann Richardson 1832. Edmund Richardson married Hannah Newman b 1822 Maulden in 1845 and had 9 children: Ann 1847 Susan 1849 Leonard Samuel 1852 Eli 1853 Louisa 1855 Amos 1857 Emma 1861 Arthur 1863 Charles 1869 also a granddaughter Caroline Richardson b.1880 but I dont know who her parents are yet. The rest of my information tallies with yours. Do you also have Lydia Chapman as John 1769's first wife? Cheers Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] RICHARDSON families of Maulden > Betty, Patti, and others > > This may help somebody with Richardson families around Maulden. > > Descendants of John RICHARDSON > > > > 1 John RICHARDSON b: 1769 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > . +Elizabeth ADDINGTON b: 1786 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG m: 1811 in MAULDEN. > BEDS. ENG > > ...... 2 Samuel RICHARDSON b: 1812 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: in Pre 1841 > > ...... 2 [1] Louisa RICHARDSON b: 1817 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > .......... +Samuel PARKER b: Abt. 1815 m: in ILLEGITIMATE > > ............... 3 Eliza RICHARDSON b: 1835 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ...... *2nd Husband of [1] Louisa RICHARDSON: > > .......... +Joseph CARTER b: Abt. 1815 m: 26 May 1845 in MAULDEN. BEDS. > ENG > > ............... 3 Joseph RICHARDSON b: 1839 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ...... 2 Rebecca RICHARDSON b: 1818 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > .......... +Samuel SHARP b: 1823 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK m: 16 Oct 1848 in > AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK > > ...... 2 [2] Hannah RICHARDSON b: 1821 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: Sep 1883 > in > AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK > > .......... +Joseph DANIELS > > ............... 3 Hannah RICHARDSON (DANIELS) b: 03 Nov 1839 in MAULDEN. > BEDFORDSHIRE ENG > > ................... +Charles ODELL b: 1836 m: 19 Apr 1861 in MAULDEN. > BEDFORDSHIRE ENG > > ........................ 4 William ODELL b: Mar 1862 in MAULDEN. BEDS > > ...... *2nd Husband of [2] Hannah RICHARDSON: > > .......... +Francis COX b: 1819 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG d: Sep 1883 in > AMPTHILL. BEDS. UK m: 25 Dec 1856 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ............... 3 Josiah COX b: Sep 1857 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ................... +Emma Elizabeth MONEY b: 1856 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > m: > 17 Sep 1877 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Josiah COX b: Dec 1877 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Ellen COX b: Jun 1880 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Edward COX b: Jun 1883 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Hannah Elizabeth COX b: Sep 1885 in AMPTHILL. > BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Francis COX b: Sep 1887 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Christopher COX b: Mar 1890 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. > ENG > > ........................ 4 Ethel COX b: Mar 1892 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ........................ 4 Maggy COX b: Mar 1899 in AMPTHILL. BEDS. ENG > > ............... 3 Ellen COX b: 1860 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ...... 2 Edmund RICHARDSON b: 1822 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > ...... 2 George RICHARDSON b: 1824 in MAULDEN. BEDS. ENG > > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 19/07/2008 > 14:01 > > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7594 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Many thanks to everyone who answered my query. Why didn't I think of FamilySearch? Doh! The marriage appearing at Bromham does make sense and I'll now check it against the original registers. Many thanks Allan Smith Sheffield _________________________________________________________________ The John Lewis Clearance - save up to 50% with FREE delivery http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719806/direct/01/

Hi Betty I can second this information, as far as I have been able to work it out too. Louisa Richardson 1815 (who married Joseph Carter) also had an illegitimate child, Eliza Richardson 1834, father was Samuel Parker (IGI has baptism etc). I also have Elizabeth Addington 1786 as the SECOND wife of John Richardson 1770 - his first wife was Lydia Chapman 1768, they married 11 Oct 1790 Maulden, had 6 children between 1790 and 1806 and Lydia died 1809, two years before he married Elizabeth Addington in 1811. Cheers Patti ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill and Jenny Deverell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] RICHARDSON families of Maulden > Betty > > Further to previous message. > I checked IGI and 41 and 51 census further. > > Louisa RICHARDSON dau 1820 of John and Elizabeth married Joseph CARTER > 1845 > Which fits the 1851 census for Eliza 1835 > And makes that John's wife Elizabeth ADDINGTON. > That John born 1769 Maulden (Thonas and Sarah SIMPSON) > > Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832 is dau of John and Mary SMITH > That John born Maulden 1790 to John and Lydia > > There are at least 5 Johns around in 1841 > John born Clophill c1786 m1804 Elizabeth HAINS > John born Maulden 1790 m Mary SMITH > John born Maulden c1812 m Jemima > John born Maulden 1769 m Elizabeth ADDINGTON > John born Greenfield c1800 m Elizabeth NORTHWOOD > > Just to complicate things there's another Joseph CARTER > Joseph CARTER m 1837 Ann RICHARDSON > (I think dau 1820 of John and Mary - see Joseph in 1851 and Mary in 1861) > > Good Luck > > Bill Deverell > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Betty Lark > Sent: 19 July 2008 01:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BDF] RICHARDSON families of Maulden > > Hi Listers, If there is someone on this list who can put me out of my > misery > I will be so grateful. > John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth who please had son Edmund RICHARDSON > bc1823-1910 > Maulden m.1845 Maulden Hannah NEWMAN 1822-1905 Maulden. > They had a son Leonard Samuel RICHARDSON 1851- m.16 June 1870 Maulden > Harriet Dennis RICHARDSON illigitimate daughter of Elizabeth RICHARDSON > 1832-1864 Maulden do John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth (is she ADDINGTON or > NORTHWOOD.) Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 then went on to m.21 Jan. 1853 > Ampthill, John William Odell DENNIS obviously the father of her > illigitimate > daughter. > > I am sure these families are connected but I can not quite get it. > thanks so much for any help you can give me. > Betty, Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 19/07/2008 > 14:01 > > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 7593 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Betty Further to previous message. I checked IGI and 41 and 51 census further. Louisa RICHARDSON dau 1820 of John and Elizabeth married Joseph CARTER 1845 Which fits the 1851 census for Eliza 1835 And makes that John's wife Elizabeth ADDINGTON. That John born 1769 Maulden (Thonas and Sarah SIMPSON) Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832 is dau of John and Mary SMITH That John born Maulden 1790 to John and Lydia There are at least 5 Johns around in 1841 John born Clophill c1786 m1804 Elizabeth HAINS John born Maulden 1790 m Mary SMITH John born Maulden c1812 m Jemima John born Maulden 1769 m Elizabeth ADDINGTON John born Greenfield c1800 m Elizabeth NORTHWOOD Just to complicate things there's another Joseph CARTER Joseph CARTER m 1837 Ann RICHARDSON (I think dau 1820 of John and Mary - see Joseph in 1851 and Mary in 1861) Good Luck Bill Deverell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty Lark Sent: 19 July 2008 01:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [BDF] RICHARDSON families of Maulden Hi Listers, If there is someone on this list who can put me out of my misery I will be so grateful. John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth who please had son Edmund RICHARDSON bc1823-1910 Maulden m.1845 Maulden Hannah NEWMAN 1822-1905 Maulden. They had a son Leonard Samuel RICHARDSON 1851- m.16 June 1870 Maulden Harriet Dennis RICHARDSON illigitimate daughter of Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 Maulden do John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth (is she ADDINGTON or NORTHWOOD.) Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 then went on to m.21 Jan. 1853 Ampthill, John William Odell DENNIS obviously the father of her illigitimate daughter. I am sure these families are connected but I can not quite get it. thanks so much for any help you can give me. Betty, Richmond, Nelson, NZ The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Two queries: 1) in respect to Ann Stringer..#10 in generation Three, what does the 1817 - BASTARDY actually mean? Is Thomas Wagstaff agreeing to look after Ann or is he owning to be the father of a child born while James Hytt is incarcerated?. and 2) Do you know where James Hytt was transported to and on what vessel. I searched the convict details for New South Wales and Tasmania but cant seem to trace him. Regards...George ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records This is what I think the Hite family looks like, which is not much more than I posted on Saturday put into logical format, and with a few censuses added. Descendants of John Height Generation One 1. John Height married Ann (-?-). Children of John Height and Ann (-?-) were: + 2 i. Robert Height, b. 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds; m. Ann Jeakins. Generation Two 2. Robert Height was born on 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds.1 He married Ann Jeakins on 27 Dec 1757 at Thurleigh, Beds.2 He was buried on 11 Jun 1787 at Colmworth, Beds.3 Ann was buried at Colmworth on 19 March 1827 aged c89.3 Children of Robert Height and Ann Jeakins all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 3 i. John Hytt was christened on 10 Jun 1759.4 4 ii. Mary Hytt was christened on 25 Oct 1761.5 5 iii. Ann Hytt was christened on 27 Mar 1763.6 6 iv. Thomas Hytt was christened on 20 Apr 1766.7 7 v. William Hytt was christened on 26 Mar 1769.8 8 vi. Robert Hytt was christened on 19 May 1771.9 9 vii. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 10 Aug 1774.10 She was buried on 20 Aug 1774 at Colmworth, Beds.11 + 10 viii. James Hytt, b. 28 Apr 1776; m. Ann Stringer. + 11 ix. Samuel Hytt, b. 6 Sep 1778; m. Jane (-?-). 12 x. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 12 Nov 1780.12 She was buried on 18 Nov 1780 at Colmworth, Beds.13 Generation Three 10. James Hytt was christened on 28 Apr 1776 at Colmworth, Beds.14 He married Ann Stringer on 27 Mar 1795 - she was buried at Colmworth on 11 March 1833 aged c55.13 On 25 May 1805 aged 27, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with sheep stealing, and was found guilty on 24 July 1805, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Hulks at Woolwich.15 Any children born after Mary could not have been James' as he had been transported. 1817 - BASTARDY - Recognizances: Thomas Wagstaff, Colmworth, bastardy. (Woman's husband has been in foreign parts under sentence of transportation for some years.) ANN HITE.16 Children of James Hytt and Ann Stringer all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 13 i. Edith Hite was christened on 3 Apr 1796.17 She married John Spestel on 14 Jun 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.18 14 ii. Frances Hite was born c1801.19 She was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.20 She married William Wagstaff on 9 Nov 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.21 She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; William Wagstaff 45; Frances Wagstaff 40; Joseph 20; Edith 15; Ann 14.22 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Fanny Waxtaff head marr 50 lace maker b Colmworth; John Waxtaff son 6 b Colmworth.23 15 iii. William Hite was christened on 15 Apr 1798.24 16 iv. Samuel Hite was born circa 1801. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.25 On 8 Nov 1820 aged 19, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with burglary, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Justitia Hulk at Woolwich on 8 May 1821.26 17 v. Mary Hite was born on 25 Oct 1805.27 She was christened on 14 Mar 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.28 She was buried on 26 Aug 1823 at Colmworth, Beds; age 18.29 Children of Ann Stringer all born Colmworth, Beds include: 18 James Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds. He married Sibel Stock on 25 Oct 1830. He married Harriet Haynes on 31 Oct 1837 at Ravensden, Beds - James 28 father Samuel; Harriet 22 father William. He witnessed the burial of Sibel Stock on 3 Feb 1837 at Colmworth, Beds; age 26. He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Ravensden, Beds;James Hite 30 ag lab; Harriet Hite 25; Jane Hite 10; Eliza Hite 7; Rebeckah Hite 6mths. He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Thurleigh, Beds; James Hite head marr 40 Grocer b Colmworth; Harriet Hite wife 38 b Ravensden; Eliza Hite 17 dau b Ravensden; Rebecca Hite dau 10 b Ravensden; Bethshebar Hite dau 8 b Ravensden; William Hite son 6 b Ravensden; Harriet Hite dau 2 b Ravensden; Isabela Hite dau 2 b Ravensden. Children of James Hite and Sibel Stock both born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 21 i. Jane Hite was born in 1831. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 22 ii. Eliza Hite was born in 1834. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 19 ii. Rebecca Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. 20 iii. Maria Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. She married Charles Shimmans on 27 Oct 1834 at Colmworth, Beds. 11. Samuel Hytt was christened on 6 Sep 1778 at Colmworth, Beds.30 He married Jane (-?-). He was buried on 13 Jul 1847 at Colmworth, Beds; age 68.31 Children of Samuel Hytt and Jane (-?-) all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 23 i. William Hite was born circa 1815.32,33 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 36 ag lab b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 57 b Colmworth.34 He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 46 shepherd b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 66 b Colmworth.35 24 ii. Samuel Hite was born circa 1817.36,37 He married Sarah Huckle on 28 Oct 1844 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel, father Samuel; Sarah, father William.38 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel Hite head marr 34 ag lab; Sarah Hite wife 29; William Hite son 3; Samuel Hite son 7 mths. All born Colmworth.39 25 iii. James Hite was born circa 1818.40,41 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.42 26 iv. Hannah Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds.43 She was christened on 11 Mar 1821.44 She married John Abrams on 12 Oct 1827 at Colmworth, Beds.45 She was buried on 19 May 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; age 31.46 27 v. Sarah Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.47 28 vi. Susan Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.48 29 vii. Charlotte Hight was christened on 30 Jun 1823.49 She married John Colgrave on 12 Apr 1842 at Colmworth, Beds.50 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.51 Happy for it to be shot down! I can go and watch Bastille Day fireworks quite happily now! David --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, David <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: David <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records > À: [email protected] > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 8h08 > I have both the Colmworth transcript and the BVRI, to which > I referred in my postings of Saturday, plus the NBI. I > think you may be trying to reinvent the wheel, Peter, as I > spent half of Saturday putting these Hites/Hights/Hytts > together. > > There's nothing in the BVRI indicating the ages of the > late baptisms, other than Mary where her 1805 birth date is > given and which I quoted earlier, and other than what can be > gleaned from burials, censuses, and the fact that of the > five children baptised on 18 Jul 1819 three were children > of Ann Hite, and two were children of James and Ann Hite, > which taken together with the A2A bastardy reference that I > found, makes it fairly certain that the two legitimate > children were born before 1805 when James was transported, > and the other three illegitimate ones were born after 1805. > > There's a John EYTE in Colmworth in 1841 and I wonder > if this might be another variation. > > Being some sort of public holiday here today in France > I'll put together a tree in my genealogy program and > post it later on. > > David > > > --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, Peter Booth > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > De: Peter Booth <[email protected]> > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish > Records > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 4h55 > > Does anyone have access to Colmworth Parish records > that > > might assist > > with this query? > > > > From observations of the Colmworth batches it > looks > > like male > > christenings are missing and that there was a practice > of > > many family > > christenings being performed on the one day. I'm > > wondering if PR's might > > record the actual ages of those being baptised. > > > > 1841 census shows only three HITE families in > > Bedfordshire, one at > > Colmworth, one at Ravensden and the third at Wilden. > Only > > one person is aged > > over 40. And there are no Hite variants in Colmworth. > > > > I might look to trace some of the BDM events > through to > > later censuses. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente > http://mail.yahoo.fr _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. 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Hi Betty 1841 census suggests that Elizabeth 1832 is dau of John and Mary. 1851 confirms. IGI has bp 30 DEC 1832 John and Elizabeth have dau Eliza 1835 as well as Edmond in 1841 census She looks like their Gdau (dau of dau Louisa and Samuel PARKER) Haven't trace Eliza yet in 1851 although there is one as dau of Joseph and Louisa CARTER 1861 census has Elizabeth DENNIS with husband John and children George 6, Harriet 9 and Eliza 4. Looks as though they are next door to her widowed mother Mary who has 2 CARTER Gdaus. You definitely have 2 different John RICHARDSONs. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Betty Lark Sent: 19 July 2008 01:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [BDF] RICHARDSON families of Maulden Hi Listers, If there is someone on this list who can put me out of my misery I will be so grateful. John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth who please had son Edmund RICHARDSON bc1823-1910 Maulden m.1845 Maulden Hannah NEWMAN 1822-1905 Maulden. They had a son Leonard Samuel RICHARDSON 1851- m.16 June 1870 Maulden Harriet Dennis RICHARDSON illigitimate daughter of Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 Maulden do John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth (is she ADDINGTON or NORTHWOOD.) Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 then went on to m.21 Jan. 1853 Ampthill, John William Odell DENNIS obviously the father of her illigitimate daughter. I am sure these families are connected but I can not quite get it. thanks so much for any help you can give me. Betty, Richmond, Nelson, NZ The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Listers, If there is someone on this list who can put me out of my misery I will be so grateful. John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth who please had son Edmund RICHARDSON bc1823-1910 Maulden m.1845 Maulden Hannah NEWMAN 1822-1905 Maulden. They had a son Leonard Samuel RICHARDSON 1851- m.16 June 1870 Maulden Harriet Dennis RICHARDSON illigitimate daughter of Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 Maulden do John RICHARDSON & Elizabeth (is she ADDINGTON or NORTHWOOD.) Elizabeth RICHARDSON 1832-1864 then went on to m.21 Jan. 1853 Ampthill, John William Odell DENNIS obviously the father of her illigitimate daughter. I am sure these families are connected but I can not quite get it. thanks so much for any help you can give me. Betty, Richmond, Nelson, NZ

Hi Paul (and everybody else who might have the problem!) The recurring debit is done via Futurepay which is part of Worldpay Go to http://www.worldpay.com/shopper/ see the FAQs You should be able to cancel your agreement there. You'll probably have to request a new UserID and Password (this isn't the Origins one) They send them to you as 2 separate E-mails I had a variation of the same problem - my credit card was renewed with a different expiry date which then caused the Origins renewal to bounce at Worldpay. In that case I got a msg about the rejection from Worldpay. Bill Deverell -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Eggleton Sent: 18 July 2008 00:48 To: Bedford; Cornwall; London; Middlesex Subject: [BDF] off subject - Origins I apologize for posting this but it is genealogy related and I would like to find out others' situations. A couple of months ago I bought a month's subscription to OMS services tradining as Origins.net - the charge was £10.50 which I paid out of my UK credit card. They have continued to deduct two further monthly payments on the basis that the small rpint on the original email stated that I had to explicitly send them an email canceling the subscription. Well I have done and have requested a refund for 2 months on the basis of them using sharp U.S. type practice of automaticaly deducting unless I cancel. I have signed no documents to that effect. They don't answer my emails so I don't know now whether they will deduct yet another month's payment at the beginning of August. I can't believe I am the only person encountering this - has anyone else a similar experience. Once again apologies for using this forum but I know someone can help me and others. Thanks Paul The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Laomi , son of Geoffrey and Mary Tomkins was born on 11th june 1808 and baptised on July 10th. For some reason the name Laomi is shown in inverted commas This is from the Stagsden Parish Register microfiche.The marriage of Geoffrey and Mary (Gibbs) was on October 13th 1800. If you want me to look for siblings, just ask. Jill ----- Original Message ----- From: "David" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark Any member submissions without a precise must be treated as suspect. In fact ANY member submission should be treated as suspect! Only one entry on the IGI for Loammi Tompkins is extracted and that shows him as female! But on the IGI there is another member submission marriage so it needs checking against the parish register, at Bromham Beds on 30 Oct 1828 between Lomi Tompkins and Elizabeth Clark. It looks as though it might be one of these member submissions which is identical to an extracted entry, and the LDS in its wisdom then deletes the extracted one. David --- En date de : Ven 18.7.08, [email protected] <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark > À: [email protected] > Date: Vendredi 18 Juillet 2008, 11h28 > Hi Allan > > FamilySearch has it as 1828, but not exact date, soz. > > They have his bapt as 10 July 1808, if that helps > > All the best > Matthew > > >----Original Message---- > >From: [email protected] > >Date: 18/07/2008 10:00 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subj: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark > > > >Would it be possible for some kind person to do a look > up for me? > > > >I'm looking for the marriage of my great great > grandparents Loammi Tom > (p)kins and Elizabeth Clark at St Leonards Church, Stagsden > some time > around 1830. > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Allan > >Sheffield > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Find the best and worst places on the planet > >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >The List Guidelines > > > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Free games for all the family - > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.1/1559 - Release Date: 17/07/2008 18:08

Hi Allan FamilySearch has it as 1828, but not exact date, soz. They have his bapt as 10 July 1808, if that helps All the best Matthew >----Original Message---- >From: [email protected] >Date: 18/07/2008 10:00 >To: <[email protected]> >Subj: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark > >Would it be possible for some kind person to do a look up for me? > >I'm looking for the marriage of my great great grandparents Loammi Tom (p)kins and Elizabeth Clark at St Leonards Church, Stagsden some time around 1830. > >Thanks in advance > >Allan >Sheffield >_________________________________________________________________ >Find the best and worst places on the planet >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/ > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD- [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __________________________________________________________ Free games for all the family - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play __________________________________________________________

Would it be possible for some kind person to do a look up for me? I'm looking for the marriage of my great great grandparents Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark at St Leonards Church, Stagsden some time around 1830. Thanks in advance Allan Sheffield _________________________________________________________________ Find the best and worst places on the planet http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/

Any member submissions without a precise must be treated as suspect. In fact ANY member submission should be treated as suspect! Only one entry on the IGI for Loammi Tompkins is extracted and that shows him as female! But on the IGI there is another member submission marriage so it needs checking against the parish register, at Bromham Beds on 30 Oct 1828 between Lomi Tompkins and Elizabeth Clark. It looks as though it might be one of these member submissions which is identical to an extracted entry, and the LDS in its wisdom then deletes the extracted one. David --- En date de : Ven 18.7.08, [email protected] <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark > À: [email protected] > Date: Vendredi 18 Juillet 2008, 11h28 > Hi Allan > > FamilySearch has it as 1828, but not exact date, soz. > > They have his bapt as 10 July 1808, if that helps > > All the best > Matthew > > >----Original Message---- > >From: [email protected] > >Date: 18/07/2008 10:00 > >To: <[email protected]> > >Subj: [BDF] Loammi Tom(p)kins and Elizabeth Clark > > > >Would it be possible for some kind person to do a look > up for me? > > > >I'm looking for the marriage of my great great > grandparents Loammi Tom > (p)kins and Elizabeth Clark at St Leonards Church, Stagsden > some time > around 1830. > > > >Thanks in advance > > > >Allan > >Sheffield > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Find the best and worst places on the planet > >http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/101719807/direct/01/ > > > > > > > >The List Guidelines > > > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Free games for all the family - > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play > __________________________________________________________ > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente http://mail.yahoo.fr

I had a similar experience (not with Origins, though). I don't think they will acknowledge your emails. I think your best recourse is through your credit card company. Tell them that you did not authorize those charges and you want that amount credited back to your account. They will probably want you to make the complaint and refund request in writing. They will then look at it and you MAY get your $ back. Good Luck, pam -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Eggleton Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:48 PM To: Bedford; Cornwall; London; Middlesex Subject: [BDF] off subject - Origins I apologize for posting this but it is genealogy related and I would like to find out others' situations. A couple of months ago I bought a month's subscription to OMS services tradining as Origins.net - the charge was £10.50 which I paid out of my UK credit card. They have continued to deduct two further monthly payments on the basis that the small rpint on the original email stated that I had to explicitly send them an email canceling the subscription. Well I have done and have requested a refund for 2 months on the basis of them using sharp U.S. type practice of automaticaly deducting unless I cancel. I have signed no documents to that effect. They don't answer my emails so I don't know now whether they will deduct yet another month's payment at the beginning of August. I can't believe I am the only person encountering this - has anyone else a similar experience. Once again apologies for using this forum but I know someone can help me and others. Thanks Paul The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I apologize for posting this but it is genealogy related and I would like to find out others' situations. A couple of months ago I bought a month's subscription to OMS services tradining as Origins.net - the charge was £10.50 which I paid out of my UK credit card. They have continued to deduct two further monthly payments on the basis that the small rpint on the original email stated that I had to explicitly send them an email canceling the subscription. Well I have done and have requested a refund for 2 months on the basis of them using sharp U.S. type practice of automaticaly deducting unless I cancel. I have signed no documents to that effect. They don't answer my emails so I don't know now whether they will deduct yet another month's payment at the beginning of August. I can't believe I am the only person encountering this - has anyone else a similar experience. Once again apologies for using this forum but I know someone can help me and others. Thanks Paul

Hi Brian Sorry! I was just replying to another post & trying to be helpful! However I do have Stringers in my tree which give me a headache every time I think about it! They're much later and from Bath. However I must say - don't be surprised by movements between villages and /or Counties. I have discovered there were many reasons behind travel! 1. Around 1800 many men who joined the National Defence were obliged to attend "training camps" well away from the home village. (This may account for some illegitimate births in unexpected places and large gaps in the usual family). 2. Individuals were "selected" by employers to move to "family seats" in another County. (I have one such. He moved from Riseley Beds to become the labourer on an estate in Hunts owned by the big brother of the local Vicar. Later his children moved to London and it was only by doing sideline research that I discovered the address given on Marriage Certs was the London townhouse of the estate owner in Hunts. Obviously the staff moved with the Employer! The message here is that recording everything (!!) becomes important if you want to try and understand the social conditions of the time! And take educated guesses at the reasons behind movements! Unfortunately I am stuck with my family as I have a birth circa 1761 place unknown , parents unknown etc! I therefor cannot help much with your dates of circa 1742! BUT I would look carefully at the marriage cert for witnesses and other entries on the pages around the event. Your Ann may already have moved village with her first husband! Look for clues in the names of the children (grandparents etc) and ensure you track every individual in the family right through their life! Good luck Marlene Brian and Betty Sells wrote: > Hi Marlene, > Your reference to an Ann Stringer interested me, I've been searching for > references to Ann Stringer for some time, I have a widow Ann Stringer who > married an ancestor of mine John Sells on Nov 11th 1742. Her maiden name was > Emmerson and her late husband was Frances Stringer, there were children from > the first marriage and your Ann may have been the daughter of mine. Maybe > I've been looking in the wrong place, I have Barton le Clay as the place of > the wedding to John and I assumed Ann was from thar area. If you come across > anything that you feel might be of use to me I would appreciate a note. > Thanks a lot > Brian Sells > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marlene Shipman" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2008 9:06 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite > > > >> Kia Ora >> Greetings from across the Ditch! >> Interestingly there is a member's submission (not always to be trusted!) >> on the Mormon site (LDS) which indicates a William Hite was baptised at >> Colmworth in 1798. His parents were apparently James Hytt and Ann >> STRINGER! There is no indication of a Samuel Hite baptism but it's >> interesting to note he burgled the home of a Thomas STRINGER! >> It might be worth getting the film of Colmworth Parish from your nearest >> Mormon Church Family History centre to see if you can find anything of >> interest. >> >> James Hite married Ann Stringer at Colmworth on 27 March 1795. They had >> a son named Samuel who was baptised 18 July 1819 (perhaps as an adult?? ) >> >> Most interesting perhaps is the entry for the Baptism of Hannah HITE on >> the 11 March 1821. Her parents were Samuel HITE and wife Jane! I >> cannot find a marriage, but if a marriage exists it might explain a late >> baptism undertaken before a marriage! >> >> I think it would be worth your while to get the film as there may be >> notes writtten by the Vicar that won't appear on the online version! >> Good luck >> Marlene. >> Fully fledged member of Ancestry Anonymous! >> >> >> George Herring wrote: >> >>> G'Day....my wife's great, great, grandfather was Samuel Hite born in or >>> around Colmworth, Bedfordshire, England circa 1801. He was transported to >>> Van Diemans Land (Australia) for life in 1821 and then after an >>> adventurous life married a convict, Mary Ann Pendrell. Samuel and Mary >>> the raised a large family and then went onto have an extended family >>> domiciled throughout Australia. What we don't have is who were Samuels >>> family in England. >>> >>> The following are the details which caused him to be convicted, sentenced >>> and transported: >>> >>> Samuel was convicted of Burglary in 1821 and sentenced to life >>> imprisonment. The sentence was subsequently commuted to transportation to >>> the colonies. He embarked aboard the convict transport ship Malabar which >>> sailed from Gravesend on 22 June 1821 bound for Tasmania, >>> Australia.........previously known as Van Diemans Land......with a total >>> of 172 prisoners and arrived on 21 October 1821. 171 of the prisoners >>> disembarked at Hobart,Tasmania, Australia. >>> >>> On 10 July 1837, he married a female convict Mary Ann Pendrill (Pendrell) >>> at Campbell Town, Tasmania, Australia.Mary Ann had been transported in >>> 1836 after being convicted of obtaining goods under false pretences and >>> being sentenced to 7 years. >>> >>> >>> * Age: From his death certificate Samuel was aged 93 in 5 June 1891 >>> Samuel born in 1798. The trial records for Samuel give his age as 17 in >>> 1818 and 20 in 1820, ie born in 1801. From the information in the book >>> "Bushrangers in Van Diemans Land 1824 -1827" Samuel was a youth of >>> nineteen, in 1824, ie born in 1805. >>> >>> He was uneducated or had very little education and signed his name with >>> an 'x' on and in all known documents. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Quarter Sessions Roll - Shelf Mark QSR 24 >>> >>> Note: I have use 'f' where written as 's' and not used punctuation unless >>> it appears in the original document. >>> >>> 1819 - Reference 121 - No 17, Recognizance to Answer to an Indictment >>> >>> Bedfordshire - Be it remembered that on the tenth day of March in the >>> Year of Our Lord One Thousand Eight Hundred and Nineteen, Samuel Hite of >>> Colmworth Labourer personally came before me Hugh Wadebery Clerk one of >>> His Majesty's Justices of the Peace of the faid County and acknowledged >>> himself to be indebted to our Sovereign Lord the King in the sum of ten >>> pounds of Lawful Money of Great Britain shall perfonally appear at the >>> next Quarter Sessions acknowledged to be holden at Bedford and there to >>> anfwer and Indictment to be preferred against him by Thomas Carter of >>> Colmworth Labourer and not to depart without Leave of the Court. Then the >>> Recognizance to be void, otherwife of Force. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Bedfordshire Epiphany Sessions 1821 - Shelf Mark QSR >>> 25/61 >>> >>> A Calendar of the Prisoners in His Majesty's Gaol for the said County >>> >>> Prisoner No 8 - Samuel Hite of Colmworth age 19. Committed the 23rd of >>> October 1820, by the Rev. H.W. Gery, Clerk charged by the Oath of Thomas >>> Stringer and others with having burglariously broken into the House of >>> the said Thomas Stringer, a Colmworth, on the 17th Instant, and stolen >>> therefrom a small trunk containing some writings, seventeen Guineas, five >>> Half-Guineas and about ten Seven Shilling Pieces. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Prisoners in County Gaol - Shelf Mark QGV 10/1: >>> >>> Page 60 - 29 December 1818 - Samuel HITE, aged 17, Colmworth, Violent >>> Assault. >>> >>> Page 17 - 5 November 1820 - Samuel HITE, aged 19, Colmworth, Burglary, >>> Transported for Life. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Prisoners in County Gaol - Shelf Mark QGV 10/1: >>> >>> Page 60 Samuel HITE: Date Committed - 29 December 1818, Height - 5'4", >>> Complexion - Fair, Hair - Light Brown, Age - 17, Abode - Colmworth, >>> Offence - Violent Assault, Sentence - Bailed to 10 March 1819, Notes - >>> orderly and well behaved. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Page 70 (not 17) Samuel HITE: Date Committed - 5 >>> November 1820 ,Height - 5' 4", Complexion -Fair, Hair - Light Brown, >>> Age -19, Abode - Colmworth, Offence - Burglary (vide Page 60), Sentence - >>> Death but reprieved to Transported for Life, Notes - To the Justitiar >>> Hulk at Woolwich 8 May 1821, orderly and well behaved. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Samual Hite - Convict report >>> >>> Transported for Burglary, Sentence - Life >>> >>> Goal report "Bad character, has been in custody before" >>> >>> Hulk report "Orderly" >>> >>> Stated M (mother) at Cowmouth (Colmworth?) - Washerwoman >>> >>> 21 Mar 1825 received 26 lashes for stealing about a peck of potatoes from >>> Gov. garden >>> >>> Conditional Pardon No. 646 - 12 Nov 1834; Full Pardon No 670 - 15 Dec >>> 1840. >>> >>> * Court - Convict: Name: Samuel Hite; Where Convicted: Bedford Asst; >>> When: 14 Mar 1821; Sentence: Life; Native Place: Cowmouth Bed.; Trade or >>> Calling: Farm Labr; Age: 19; Height: 5' 4 1/4"; Eyes: Grey; Hair: Dark >>> Brown. >>> >>> I am looking for someone in Bedfordshire...or England itself... who could >>> research Samuels date and place of birth, together with the full details >>> of his parents, siblings and ancestors. I fully rtealise that there would >>> be a cost involved and perhaps i could negotiate this with the interested >>> party; >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards....George >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Does anyone have access to Colmworth Parish records that might assist with this query? From observations of the Colmworth batches it looks like male christenings are missing and that there was a practice of many family christenings being performed on the one day. I'm wondering if PR's might record the actual ages of those being baptised. 1841 census shows only three HITE families in Bedfordshire, one at Colmworth, one at Ravensden and the third at Wilden. Only one person is aged over 40. And there are no Hite variants in Colmworth. I might look to trace some of the BDM events through to later censuses. Peter

Sorry, forgot to add endnotes to previous message: Endnotes 1. IGI - extracted entry. Hereinafter cited as IGI 2. Ibid. 3. FFHS, National Burial Index 2nd Edition, Sept 2004. Hereinafter cited as NBI2. 4. Parish Register Transcript Hereinafter cited as PR Transcript. 5. Ibid. 6. Ibid. 7. Ibid. 8. Ibid. 9. Ibid. 10. Ibid. 11. Ibid. 12. Ibid. 13. Ibid. 14. Ibid. 15. Web site, http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=514. 16. Access to Archives, The National Archives, online www.a2a.org.uk, BLARS QSR/23/1817/207. Hereinafter cited as A2A. 17. PR Transcript. 18. IGI. 19. 1841 Census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1841 Census. 20. LDS, British Isles Vital Records Index 2nd Edition (Salt Lake City, UT, USA: LDS, 2001). Hereinafter cited as BVRI 2. 21. IGI. 22. 1841 Census. 23. 1851 census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1851 census. 24. PR Transcript. 25. BVRI 2. 26. Web site, http://apps.bedfordshire.gov.uk/grd/detail.aspx?id=2630. 27. BVRI 2. 28. Ibid. 29. NBI2. 30. PR Transcript. 31. NBI2. 32. 1841 Census. 33. 1851 census. 34. Ibid. 35. 1861 census for England . Hereinafter cited as 1861 census. 36. 1841 Census. 37. 1851 census. 38. IGI. 39. 1851 census. 40. 1841 Census. 41. 1851 census. 42. Ibid. 43. 1841 Census. 44. BVRI 2. 45. IGI. 46. NBI2. 47. BVRI 2. 48. Ibid. 49. Ibid. 50. IGI. 51. 1851 census. --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, David <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: David <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records > À: [email protected] > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 13h50 > This is what I think the Hite family looks like, which is > not much more than I posted on Saturday put into logical > format, and with a few censuses added. > > Descendants of John Height > > > > > Generation One > > > 1. John Height married Ann (-?-). > Children of John Height and Ann (-?-) were: > + 2 i. Robert Height, b. 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, > Beds; m. Ann > Jeakins. > > > Generation Two > > > 2. Robert Height was born on 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, > Beds.1 He married > Ann Jeakins on 27 Dec 1757 at Thurleigh, Beds.2 He was > buried on 11 Jun > 1787 at Colmworth, Beds.3 Ann was buried at Colmworth on 19 > March 1827 aged c89.3 > Children of Robert Height and Ann Jeakins all born at > Colmworth, Beds, > were as follows: > 3 i. John Hytt was christened on 10 Jun 1759.4 > 4 ii. Mary Hytt was christened on 25 Oct 1761.5 > 5 iii. Ann Hytt was christened on 27 Mar 1763.6 > 6 iv. Thomas Hytt was christened on 20 Apr > 1766.7 > 7 v. William Hytt was christened on 26 Mar > 1769.8 > 8 vi. Robert Hytt was christened on 19 May > 1771.9 > 9 vii. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 10 Aug > 1774.10 She was > buried on 20 Aug 1774 at Colmworth, > Beds.11 > + 10 viii. James Hytt, b. 28 Apr 1776; m. Ann > Stringer. > + 11 ix. Samuel Hytt, b. 6 Sep 1778; m. Jane (-?-). > 12 x. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 12 Nov > 1780.12 She was > buried on 18 Nov 1780 at Colmworth, > Beds.13 > > > Generation Three > > > 10. James Hytt was christened on 28 Apr 1776 at > Colmworth, Beds.14 > He married Ann Stringer on 27 Mar 1795 - she was buried at > Colmworth on 11 > March 1833 aged c55.13 > On 25 May 1805 aged 27, he was committed to Bedford > Gaol charged with > sheep stealing, and was found guilty on 24 July 1805, and > was sentenced to > death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the > Hulks at > Woolwich.15 Any children born after Mary could not have > been James' as > he had been transported. > 1817 - BASTARDY - Recognizances: Thomas Wagstaff, > Colmworth, > bastardy. (Woman's husband has been in foreign parts > under sentence of > transportation for some years.) ANN HITE.16 > Children of James Hytt and Ann Stringer all born at > Colmworth, Beds, > were as follows: > 13 i. Edith Hite was christened on 3 Apr 1796.17 > She married > John Spestel on 14 Jun 1820 at Colmworth, > Beds.18 > 14 ii. Frances Hite was born c1801.19 She was > christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, > Beds.20 She > married William Wagstaff on 9 Nov 1820 at > Colmworth, > Beds.21 > She appeared on the census of 6 Jun > 1841 at > Colmworth, Beds; William Wagstaff 45; > Frances Wagstaff 40; > Joseph 20; Edith 15; Ann 14.22 She > appeared on the census > of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Fanny > Waxtaff head marr > 50 lace maker b Colmworth; John Waxtaff > son 6 b > Colmworth.23 > 15 iii. William Hite was christened on 15 Apr > 1798.24 > 16 iv. Samuel Hite was born circa 1801. He was > christened on 18 > Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.25 > On 8 Nov 1820 aged 19, he was > committed to Bedford > Gaol charged with burglary, and was > sentenced to death, > reprieved for life, and was delivered on > board the > Justitia Hulk at Woolwich on 8 May 1821.26 > 17 v. Mary Hite was born on 25 Oct 1805.27 She > was christened > on 14 Mar 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.28 She > was buried on 26 > Aug 1823 at Colmworth, Beds; age 18.29 > > Children of Ann Stringer all born Colmworth, Beds > include: > 18 James Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, > Beds. He was > christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, > Beds. He married > Sibel Stock on 25 Oct 1830. He married > Harriet Haynes on > 31 Oct 1837 at Ravensden, Beds - James 28 > father Samuel; > Harriet 22 father William. > He witnessed the burial of Sibel Stock on 3 > Feb 1837 at > Colmworth, Beds; age 26. > He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at > Ravensden, Beds;James Hite 30 ag lab; > Harriet Hite 25; > Jane Hite 10; Eliza Hite 7; Rebeckah Hite > 6mths. He > appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at > Thurleigh, Beds; > James Hite head marr 40 Grocer b > Colmworth; Harriet Hite > wife 38 b Ravensden; Eliza Hite 17 dau b > Ravensden; > Rebecca Hite dau 10 b Ravensden; > Bethshebar Hite dau 8 b Ravensden; William > Hite son 6 b > Ravensden; Harriet Hite dau 2 b Ravensden; > Isabela Hite > dau 2 b Ravensden. > Children of James Hite and Sibel Stock both > born at > Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: > 21 i. Jane Hite was born in 1831. She > was > christened on 2 Aug 1835 at > Colmworth, Beds. > 22 ii. Eliza Hite was born in 1834. She > was > christened on 2 Aug 1835 at > Colmworth, Beds. > 19 ii. Rebecca Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. > 20 iii. Maria Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. > She married > Charles Shimmans on 27 Oct 1834 at > Colmworth, Beds. > > 11. Samuel Hytt was christened on 6 Sep 1778 at > Colmworth, Beds.30 > He married Jane (-?-). He was buried on 13 Jul 1847 at > Colmworth, Beds; > age 68.31 > Children of Samuel Hytt and Jane (-?-) all born at > Colmworth, Beds, > were as follows: > 23 i. William Hite was born circa 1815.32,33 > He appeared on the census of 30 Mar > 1851 at > Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 36 > ag lab b > Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 57 b > Colmworth.34 He > appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at > Colmworth, Beds; > William Hite head marr 46 shepherd b > Colmworth; Elizabeth > Hite wife 66 b Colmworth.35 > 24 ii. Samuel Hite was born circa 1817.36,37 He > married Sarah > Huckle on 28 Oct 1844 at Colmworth, Beds; > Samuel, father > Samuel; Sarah, father William.38 > He appeared on the census of 30 Mar > 1851 at > Colmworth, Beds; Samuel Hite head marr 34 > ag lab; Sarah > Hite wife 29; William Hite son 3; Samuel > Hite son 7 mths. > All born Colmworth.39 > 25 iii. James Hite was born circa 1818.40,41 > He appeared on the census of 30 Mar > 1851 in the > household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, > Beds; John > Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; > Charlotte > Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William > Colgrave son 2 b > Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b > Colmworth; James > Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b > Colmworth.42 > 26 iv. Hannah Hite was born circa 1810 at > Colmworth, Beds.43 She > was christened on 11 Mar 1821.44 She > married John Abrams > on 12 Oct 1827 at Colmworth, Beds.45 She > was buried on 19 > May 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; age 31.46 > 27 v. Sarah Hite was christened on 11 Mar > 1821.47 > 28 vi. Susan Hite was christened on 11 Mar > 1821.48 > 29 vii. Charlotte Hight was christened on 30 Jun > 1823.49 She > married John Colgrave on 12 Apr 1842 at > Colmworth, Beds.50 > She appeared on the census of 30 Mar > 1851 in the > household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, > Beds; John > Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; > Charlotte > Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William > Colgrave son 2 b > Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b > Colmworth; James > Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b > Colmworth.51 > > Happy for it to be shot down! > > I can go and watch Bastille Day fireworks quite happily > now! > > David > > > > --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, David > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > De: David <[email protected]> > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish > Records > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 8h08 > > I have both the Colmworth transcript and the BVRI, to > which > > I referred in my postings of Saturday, plus the NBI. I > > think you may be trying to reinvent the wheel, Peter, > as I > > spent half of Saturday putting these > Hites/Hights/Hytts > > together. > > > > There's nothing in the BVRI indicating the ages of > the > > late baptisms, other than Mary where her 1805 birth > date is > > given and which I quoted earlier, and other than what > can be > > gleaned from burials, censuses, and the fact that of > the > > five children baptised on 18 Jul 1819 three were > children > > of Ann Hite, and two were children of James and Ann > Hite, > > which taken together with the A2A bastardy reference > that I > > found, makes it fairly certain that the two legitimate > > children were born before 1805 when James was > transported, > > and the other three illegitimate ones were born after > 1805. > > > > There's a John EYTE in Colmworth in 1841 and I > wonder > > if this might be another variation. > > > > Being some sort of public holiday here today in France > > I'll put together a tree in my genealogy program > and > > post it later on. > > > > David > > > > > > --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, Peter Booth > > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > > > De: Peter Booth <[email protected]> > > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish > > Records > > > À: [email protected] > > > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 4h55 > > > Does anyone have access to Colmworth Parish > records > > that > > > might assist > > > with this query? > > > > > > From observations of the Colmworth batches it > > looks > > > like male > > > christenings are missing and that there was a > practice > > of > > > many family > > > christenings being performed on the one day. > I'm > > > wondering if PR's might > > > record the actual ages of those being baptised. > > > > > > 1841 census shows only three HITE families in > > > Bedfordshire, one at > > > Colmworth, one at Ravensden and the third at > Wilden. > > Only > > > one person is aged > > > over 40. And there are no Hite variants in > Colmworth. > > > > > > I might look to trace some of the BDM events > > through to > > > later censuses. > > > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > > [email protected] with the word > > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and > > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus > intelligente > > http://mail.yahoo.fr > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente > http://mail.yahoo.fr _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. 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This is what I think the Hite family looks like, which is not much more than I posted on Saturday put into logical format, and with a few censuses added. Descendants of John Height Generation One 1. John Height married Ann (-?-). Children of John Height and Ann (-?-) were: + 2 i. Robert Height, b. 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds; m. Ann Jeakins. Generation Two 2. Robert Height was born on 1 Jan 1731 at Keysoe, Beds.1 He married Ann Jeakins on 27 Dec 1757 at Thurleigh, Beds.2 He was buried on 11 Jun 1787 at Colmworth, Beds.3 Ann was buried at Colmworth on 19 March 1827 aged c89.3 Children of Robert Height and Ann Jeakins all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 3 i. John Hytt was christened on 10 Jun 1759.4 4 ii. Mary Hytt was christened on 25 Oct 1761.5 5 iii. Ann Hytt was christened on 27 Mar 1763.6 6 iv. Thomas Hytt was christened on 20 Apr 1766.7 7 v. William Hytt was christened on 26 Mar 1769.8 8 vi. Robert Hytt was christened on 19 May 1771.9 9 vii. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 10 Aug 1774.10 She was buried on 20 Aug 1774 at Colmworth, Beds.11 + 10 viii. James Hytt, b. 28 Apr 1776; m. Ann Stringer. + 11 ix. Samuel Hytt, b. 6 Sep 1778; m. Jane (-?-). 12 x. Elizabeth Hytt was christened on 12 Nov 1780.12 She was buried on 18 Nov 1780 at Colmworth, Beds.13 Generation Three 10. James Hytt was christened on 28 Apr 1776 at Colmworth, Beds.14 He married Ann Stringer on 27 Mar 1795 - she was buried at Colmworth on 11 March 1833 aged c55.13 On 25 May 1805 aged 27, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with sheep stealing, and was found guilty on 24 July 1805, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Hulks at Woolwich.15 Any children born after Mary could not have been James' as he had been transported. 1817 - BASTARDY - Recognizances: Thomas Wagstaff, Colmworth, bastardy. (Woman's husband has been in foreign parts under sentence of transportation for some years.) ANN HITE.16 Children of James Hytt and Ann Stringer all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 13 i. Edith Hite was christened on 3 Apr 1796.17 She married John Spestel on 14 Jun 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.18 14 ii. Frances Hite was born c1801.19 She was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.20 She married William Wagstaff on 9 Nov 1820 at Colmworth, Beds.21 She appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; William Wagstaff 45; Frances Wagstaff 40; Joseph 20; Edith 15; Ann 14.22 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Fanny Waxtaff head marr 50 lace maker b Colmworth; John Waxtaff son 6 b Colmworth.23 15 iii. William Hite was christened on 15 Apr 1798.24 16 iv. Samuel Hite was born circa 1801. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.25 On 8 Nov 1820 aged 19, he was committed to Bedford Gaol charged with burglary, and was sentenced to death, reprieved for life, and was delivered on board the Justitia Hulk at Woolwich on 8 May 1821.26 17 v. Mary Hite was born on 25 Oct 1805.27 She was christened on 14 Mar 1819 at Colmworth, Beds.28 She was buried on 26 Aug 1823 at Colmworth, Beds; age 18.29 Children of Ann Stringer all born Colmworth, Beds include: 18 James Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds. He was christened on 18 Jul 1819 at Colmworth, Beds. He married Sibel Stock on 25 Oct 1830. He married Harriet Haynes on 31 Oct 1837 at Ravensden, Beds - James 28 father Samuel; Harriet 22 father William. He witnessed the burial of Sibel Stock on 3 Feb 1837 at Colmworth, Beds; age 26. He appeared on the census of 6 Jun 1841 at Ravensden, Beds;James Hite 30 ag lab; Harriet Hite 25; Jane Hite 10; Eliza Hite 7; Rebeckah Hite 6mths. He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Thurleigh, Beds; James Hite head marr 40 Grocer b Colmworth; Harriet Hite wife 38 b Ravensden; Eliza Hite 17 dau b Ravensden; Rebecca Hite dau 10 b Ravensden; Bethshebar Hite dau 8 b Ravensden; William Hite son 6 b Ravensden; Harriet Hite dau 2 b Ravensden; Isabela Hite dau 2 b Ravensden. Children of James Hite and Sibel Stock both born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 21 i. Jane Hite was born in 1831. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 22 ii. Eliza Hite was born in 1834. She was christened on 2 Aug 1835 at Colmworth, Beds. 19 ii. Rebecca Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. 20 iii. Maria Hite was christened on 18 Jul 1819. She married Charles Shimmans on 27 Oct 1834 at Colmworth, Beds. 11. Samuel Hytt was christened on 6 Sep 1778 at Colmworth, Beds.30 He married Jane (-?-). He was buried on 13 Jul 1847 at Colmworth, Beds; age 68.31 Children of Samuel Hytt and Jane (-?-) all born at Colmworth, Beds, were as follows: 23 i. William Hite was born circa 1815.32,33 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 36 ag lab b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 57 b Colmworth.34 He appeared on the census of 7 Apr 1861 at Colmworth, Beds; William Hite head marr 46 shepherd b Colmworth; Elizabeth Hite wife 66 b Colmworth.35 24 ii. Samuel Hite was born circa 1817.36,37 He married Sarah Huckle on 28 Oct 1844 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel, father Samuel; Sarah, father William.38 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 at Colmworth, Beds; Samuel Hite head marr 34 ag lab; Sarah Hite wife 29; William Hite son 3; Samuel Hite son 7 mths. All born Colmworth.39 25 iii. James Hite was born circa 1818.40,41 He appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.42 26 iv. Hannah Hite was born circa 1810 at Colmworth, Beds.43 She was christened on 11 Mar 1821.44 She married John Abrams on 12 Oct 1827 at Colmworth, Beds.45 She was buried on 19 May 1841 at Colmworth, Beds; age 31.46 27 v. Sarah Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.47 28 vi. Susan Hite was christened on 11 Mar 1821.48 29 vii. Charlotte Hight was christened on 30 Jun 1823.49 She married John Colgrave on 12 Apr 1842 at Colmworth, Beds.50 She appeared on the census of 30 Mar 1851 in the household of John Colgrave at Colmworth, Beds; John Colgrave head marr 34 farmer b Eaton Beds; Charlotte Colgrave wife 28 b Colmworth; William Colgrave son 2 b Colmworth; Charlotte Colgrave dau 1 b Colmworth; James Hite brother in law unmarr 33 ag lab b Colmworth.51 Happy for it to be shot down! I can go and watch Bastille Day fireworks quite happily now! David --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, David <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: David <[email protected]> > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish Records > À: [email protected] > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 8h08 > I have both the Colmworth transcript and the BVRI, to which > I referred in my postings of Saturday, plus the NBI. I > think you may be trying to reinvent the wheel, Peter, as I > spent half of Saturday putting these Hites/Hights/Hytts > together. > > There's nothing in the BVRI indicating the ages of the > late baptisms, other than Mary where her 1805 birth date is > given and which I quoted earlier, and other than what can be > gleaned from burials, censuses, and the fact that of the > five children baptised on 18 Jul 1819 three were children > of Ann Hite, and two were children of James and Ann Hite, > which taken together with the A2A bastardy reference that I > found, makes it fairly certain that the two legitimate > children were born before 1805 when James was transported, > and the other three illegitimate ones were born after 1805. > > There's a John EYTE in Colmworth in 1841 and I wonder > if this might be another variation. > > Being some sort of public holiday here today in France > I'll put together a tree in my genealogy program and > post it later on. > > David > > > --- En date de : Lun 14.7.08, Peter Booth > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > De: Peter Booth <[email protected]> > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Samuel Hite - COLMWORTH Parish > Records > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Lundi 14 Juillet 2008, 4h55 > > Does anyone have access to Colmworth Parish records > that > > might assist > > with this query? > > > > From observations of the Colmworth batches it > looks > > like male > > christenings are missing and that there was a practice > of > > many family > > christenings being performed on the one day. I'm > > wondering if PR's might > > record the actual ages of those being baptised. > > > > 1841 census shows only three HITE families in > > Bedfordshire, one at > > Colmworth, one at Ravensden and the third at Wilden. > Only > > one person is aged > > over 40. And there are no Hite variants in Colmworth. > > > > I might look to trace some of the BDM events > through to > > later censuses. > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message > > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. Une boite mail plus intelligente > http://mail.yahoo.fr _____________________________________________________________________________ Envoyez avec Yahoo! Mail. 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