After some of the battles of WW1, the losses of men in some battalions were so large, the remaining soldiers were re assigned to new battalions to make viable fighting units. Penny Courtney Hampshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "JANE DYER" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:21 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] Kempston Barracks and the Bedfordshire Regt > hi Chris, I can't answer your questions but I have a friend who is a bit > of an expert on military history. Try searching for Mike Hargreave Mawson > & see if any of his articles can shed any light. > Jane > > [email protected] wrote: > Hello, > I am writing to ask if there are any documents available for public > inspection relating to Kempston Barracks. I would be particularly > interested in lists > of soldiers in service there around 1900 - 1909. > > My gt grandfather died at Ypres in 1915. He was Pvt 3/6538 Arthur > Loveridge. > I have been told by a historian that the number indicates that he was a > member of the 3rd battalion and therefor a special reservist. However, > according > to the CWGC site he was a member of the 1st battalion at the time of his > death. Not sure why this difference of opinion should occur. > > I am wondering if he might have seen earlier service around 1900 since I > can > find no trace of him anywhere on the national index for the 1901 census. > This led me to wonder if he might have been overseas with the army at the > time. > Although he was born in Fenny Stratford Bucks in 1880 and was still there > in > 1891 we know that he lived in Kempston for some time between then and his > death. My grandfather was born in 1909 and Arthurs address was given as 20 > Church > Walk Kempston at his death. > > I do hope that someone can help me to gain some additional information. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Have you got his First World war medal card this is available as a download (cost £3.50) from the National Archives, sometimes they will show some history. The index card is available on Ancestry.Com and shows him in the 1/Bed Regiment. This shows that he qualified for the following: Victory Medal, British Medal and 1915 Star. You might find when he enlisted he joined the 3rd but was then transferred to the 1st on going to the front. The following web-site may be of interest: http://www.bedfordregiment.org.uk/ It contains a lot of details about the regiment including the regimental diaries. Kevin (england)

Chris, Cant help with your specific enquiry, but I too had a number of missing males on the 1901 census. On researching the army service papers 1883-1914, I discovered that most of my missing men were serving in the army in South Africa in the Boer War. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:50 PM Subject: [BDF] Kempston Barracks and the Bedfordshire Regt > Hello, > I am writing to ask if there are any documents available for public > inspection relating to Kempston Barracks. I would be particularly > interested in lists > of soldiers in service there around 1900 - 1909. > > My gt grandfather died at Ypres in 1915. He was Pvt 3/6538 Arthur > Loveridge. > I have been told by a historian that the number indicates that he was a > member of the 3rd battalion and therefor a special reservist. However, > according > to the CWGC site he was a member of the 1st battalion at the time of his > death. Not sure why this difference of opinion should occur. > > I am wondering if he might have seen earlier service around 1900 since I > can > find no trace of him anywhere on the national index for the 1901 census. > This led me to wonder if he might have been overseas with the army at the > time. > Although he was born in Fenny Stratford Bucks in 1880 and was still there > in > 1891 we know that he lived in Kempston for some time between then and his > death. My grandfather was born in 1909 and Arthurs address was given as > 20 Church > Walk Kempston at his death. > > I do hope that someone can help me to gain some additional information. > > Regards, > Chris > > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com

hi Chris, I can't answer your questions but I have a friend who is a bit of an expert on military history. Try searching for Mike Hargreave Mawson & see if any of his articles can shed any light. Jane [email protected] wrote: Hello, I am writing to ask if there are any documents available for public inspection relating to Kempston Barracks. I would be particularly interested in lists of soldiers in service there around 1900 - 1909. My gt grandfather died at Ypres in 1915. He was Pvt 3/6538 Arthur Loveridge. I have been told by a historian that the number indicates that he was a member of the 3rd battalion and therefor a special reservist. However, according to the CWGC site he was a member of the 1st battalion at the time of his death. Not sure why this difference of opinion should occur. I am wondering if he might have seen earlier service around 1900 since I can find no trace of him anywhere on the national index for the 1901 census. This led me to wonder if he might have been overseas with the army at the time. Although he was born in Fenny Stratford Bucks in 1880 and was still there in 1891 we know that he lived in Kempston for some time between then and his death. My grandfather was born in 1909 and Arthurs address was given as 20 Church Walk Kempston at his death. I do hope that someone can help me to gain some additional information. Regards, Chris The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris, try the BLARS site as they may have info about Kempston Barracks. www.bedfordshire.gov.uk/archive/ As Arthur was born in Fenny was he a member of the Gypsy LOVERIDGE family who travelled in the Bow Brickhill and Fenny Stratford area? I see in 1891 that Arthur's father George is a sweep - did Arthur follow in the business as there are some records of the issuing of chimney sweepers certificates at BLARS. Dianne [email protected] wrote: > Hello, > I am writing to ask if there are any documents available for public > inspection relating to Kempston Barracks. I would be particularly interested in lists > of soldiers in service there around 1900 - 1909. > > My gt grandfather died at Ypres in 1915. He was Pvt 3/6538 Arthur Loveridge. > I have been told by a historian that the number indicates that he was a > member of the 3rd battalion and therefor a special reservist. However, according > to the CWGC site he was a member of the 1st battalion at the time of his > death. Not sure why this difference of opinion should occur. > > I am wondering if he might have seen earlier service around 1900 since I can > find no trace of him anywhere on the national index for the 1901 census. > This led me to wonder if he might have been overseas with the army at the time. > Although he was born in Fenny Stratford Bucks in 1880 and was still there in > 1891 we know that he lived in Kempston for some time between then and his > death. My grandfather was born in 1909 and Arthurs address was given as 20 Church > Walk Kempston at his death. > > I do hope that someone can help me to gain some additional information. > > Regards, > Chris

Hello Dianne, I think that we might well have corresponded a little some years ago. Yes Arthur was indeed a member of that family. Several of the family were chimney sweeps but I do not know if Arthur ever took up the career. He was mobilized in Aug 1914 and sent abroad almost right away. I think that he might possibly have been in the army before as there is no trace of him on the 1901 census. 1st battalion Bedfordshires were in India at the time. I don't know what he was doing imeadiately prior to 1914. A long time to wait for the 1911 census to give a clue. The family originally came over from Ireland. I have had a quick look at BLARS via a google search and couldn't find what anything useful but will give it another go. Regards, Chris

Hi Folks, I've made a mistake, I'm afraid ! William died in 1813, so I'm left with a bigger puzzle than I thought! Jill

Hi Folks, I've had a query from a possible rellie that has me flummoxed. I'm looking for a John Stonebridge, born Tempsford in about 1818. I've got the Tempsford P.Rs on microfiche, but obviously they only go up to 1812. His father is William (from his marriage cert.) which should mean his mother is Elizabeth nee Saunders, but the youngest child I have for them is John, born 1808, who died in infancy. As John was a family name, it is very likely that a subsequent son would be given the name. Can anyone help, please? Jill

Hello, I am writing to ask if there are any documents available for public inspection relating to Kempston Barracks. I would be particularly interested in lists of soldiers in service there around 1900 - 1909. My gt grandfather died at Ypres in 1915. He was Pvt 3/6538 Arthur Loveridge. I have been told by a historian that the number indicates that he was a member of the 3rd battalion and therefor a special reservist. However, according to the CWGC site he was a member of the 1st battalion at the time of his death. Not sure why this difference of opinion should occur. I am wondering if he might have seen earlier service around 1900 since I can find no trace of him anywhere on the national index for the 1901 census. This led me to wonder if he might have been overseas with the army at the time. Although he was born in Fenny Stratford Bucks in 1880 and was still there in 1891 we know that he lived in Kempston for some time between then and his death. My grandfather was born in 1909 and Arthurs address was given as 20 Church Walk Kempston at his death. I do hope that someone can help me to gain some additional information. Regards, Chris

Hello About 18 mths ago I was in contact with Steve Woodward regarding his ASKEW line. If he is still around would he please get in contact with me again. Many thanks. Regards Stuart Marshall

Hi Everyone A few weeks ago I posted my first message to this list. I was trying to establish whether Ellen NADEN = Ellen JORDAN = Ellen SCARD In addition I wanted to find marriage of Ellen to Thomas SCARD and the birth of dau Madeline. In all the records I had Madeline was Madeline SCARD, but had never found birth cert. In the space of a few hours and the help of a number of people, particularly Marlene (NZ), Chris (Canada) and Peter (Aust) problems were largely sorted out. I promised to write again after getting the relevant certificates. As briefly as I can, the facts - Marriage of Ellen NADEN and Lewis JORDAN Dec 22nd 1849 St Marys Bedford Birth of Julia Ellen JORDAN Sept 23rd 1850 St Peters Bedford (m Ellen, father Lewis - informant) 1851 Census - Lewis and Ellen JORDAN + Julia 6 months in Bedford Birth of Madelina JORDAN Aug 23rd 1854 St Marys Bedford (mother Ellen - informant, fa Lewis ) !861 Census - Lewis JORDAN (unmarried) in Linslade Buckinghamshire (actually not far west of Bedford, Bedfordshire) 1861 Census Thomas SCARD and Ellen SCARD + dau Madeline SCARD (6) Bexleyheath Kent 1861 Census Julia E JORDAN in Boarding School Bedford Marriage of Ellen NADEN (spinster!) and Thomas SCARD Mar 24th 1862 Kentish Town Middlesex Death of Lewis JORDAN Mar 23rd 1864 in Linslade Buckinghamshire 1866-7 Ellen & Thomas SCARD emigrate to Australia. Madeline (Scard) & Julia (Jordan) stay Eng Marriage of Julia Ellen JORDAN and James BEECHEY 1869 1871 Census Madeline SCARD servant in London 1871 Census James & Julia E BEECHEY + infant son living Wokingham Berkshire. Julia Ellen JORDAN remained JORDAN all her life until marriage Madeline named JORDAN on birth certificate and father's name given as Lewis JORDAN, but mother Ellen the informant and all her life (at least from 1861) known as Madeline SCARD. The 2 sisters (or half-sisters) grew up with different surnames - suggests Lewis JORDAN not Madeline's father, but I cannot (though I'd like to!) say that Thomas SCARD was. If Thomas SCARD 'adopted' Ellen's dau Madeline even before his marriage to Ellen, why didn't he also 'adopt' Julia who was afterall only 4 years older (10 in 1861). Perhaps lends credence to the idea of Thomas SCARD actually being Madeline's father - will remain a mystery I guess. Best wishes Lyn Aust

Thanks Peter. I have already sent a message to Robert Felton from details on rootsweb. Will try the Google. Marianne On 26/07/2008, at 10:29 PM, Peter Booth wrote: > Stuart / Marianne, > > Glad you found each other. > > You might also like to Google using "Reuben Harper" in inverted > commas. > The inverted commas looks for the name as a phrase, meaning both > words must > appear together. > > There is Rob on Rootschat also enquiring about this family but he > doesn't give his connection. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Stuart / Marianne, Glad you found each other. You might also like to Google using "Reuben Harper" in inverted commas. The inverted commas looks for the name as a phrase, meaning both words must appear together. There is Rob on Rootschat also enquiring about this family but he doesn't give his connection. Peter

Hello Stuart, I am descended from Mary Harper she was my GGG grandmother. I have researched quite a bit on the line going back to Reuben and Frances Cook. Would be delighted to swap info. Feel free to contact me off list. Marianne Melbourne Australia On 26/07/2008, at 10:03 PM, Stuart Marshall wrote: > Hello Marianne > > Just read your email and looks like I have finally found someone > who has > the same HARPUR/HARPER interests as me. I am researching the Harpur > line > through Renhold/Ravensden and these link into my IVES line. Maybe we > could > help each other out on this if you are interested. We could also be > "cousins" !! Let me know what you have on this line and I will get > back to > you with some more info. > Hope to hear from you soon. > Regards > Stuart Marshall > Milton Keynes, Bucks UK. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:20 AM > Subject: [BDF] Harpur/Harper Bedford/Ravensden/Renhold > > >> Hello, >> >> New to the list Researching MARY HARPER born 1826 daughter of >> Reuben Harpur and Frances Cook. >> >> Mary married George Cox from Surrey and came to Australia on the Six >> Sisters arriving in 1853. >> Wondered if any one was researching the Harpur/Harper line. >> >> Marianne >> Australia >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Peter, Thank you so much for your reply. I have Mary and George's Marriage Cert. They were married at the Registry Office Bedford. Which seems unusual. I have Mary's siblings, also checked Reuben and Frances on the IGI No other family came with them on the Six Sisters, George Cox was a gardener and was employed by a Mr Webster from the Colac area. They settled in and around Moolap, a market garden area. Sadly George died a few years after their arrival. I will check the resources you have mentioned. Most helpful. Marianne in Melbourne On 26/07/2008, at 9:20 PM, Peter Booth wrote: > Marianne, > > Are you looking specifically for relatives or just help with > research? > > Reuben Harpur married Frances Cook in Goldington on 4/6/1815. > > Renhold batches show nine children christened there between > 1816-1832. > > Have you looked at 1841 and 1851 census? That should give some > clues to > family origins and survivors. > > Mary Haper married George Cox in Bedford in Dec qtr 1847. So you > should > also be able to find them in 1851 census prior to migration. > > Do you know why they migrated? Quite often they may have had > relatives > in the colony, either as free settlers or convicts. Check who was on > the > ship with them. Also check Bedford gaol database. > > And finally, there is one posting for Reuben Harper b1791 on Family > Trees at www.rootsweb.com. It has the births and deaths of most of the > children but does not continue to present day. You might like to > contact > that submitter. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Marianne, Are you looking specifically for relatives or just help with research? Reuben Harpur married Frances Cook in Goldington on 4/6/1815. Renhold batches show nine children christened there between 1816-1832. Have you looked at 1841 and 1851 census? That should give some clues to family origins and survivors. Mary Haper married George Cox in Bedford in Dec qtr 1847. So you should also be able to find them in 1851 census prior to migration. Do you know why they migrated? Quite often they may have had relatives in the colony, either as free settlers or convicts. Check who was on the ship with them. Also check Bedford gaol database. And finally, there is one posting for Reuben Harper b1791 on Family Trees at www.rootsweb.com. It has the births and deaths of most of the children but does not continue to present day. You might like to contact that submitter. Peter in Sydney

Hello, New to the list Researching MARY HARPER born 1826 daughter of Reuben Harpur and Frances Cook. Mary married George Cox from Surrey and came to Australia on the Six Sisters arriving in 1853. Wondered if any one was researching the Harpur/Harper line. Marianne Australia

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Hello Marianne Just read your email and looks like I have finally found someone who has the same HARPUR/HARPER interests as me. I am researching the Harpur line through Renhold/Ravensden and these link into my IVES line. Maybe we could help each other out on this if you are interested. We could also be "cousins" !! Let me know what you have on this line and I will get back to you with some more info. Hope to hear from you soon. Regards Stuart Marshall Milton Keynes, Bucks UK. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Petal & Clea Smith" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: [BDF] Harpur/Harper Bedford/Ravensden/Renhold > Hello, > > New to the list Researching MARY HARPER born 1826 daughter of > Reuben Harpur and Frances Cook. > > Mary married George Cox from Surrey and came to Australia on the Six > Sisters arriving in 1853. > Wondered if any one was researching the Harpur/Harper line. > > Marianne > Australia > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My very heartfelt thanks to Bill Deverell, Patti Salter, Peter Booth, Hugh, and last but by no means least my "cousin" Pam who keeps encouraging me. Every one has made a contribution to this muddled intermarried family. Regards, Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ