Hello Listers According to the 1851 census, Jacob Barber was born in Felmersham, Bedfordshire. His age on the census is 62. If someone has the resource could they check to see if this is correct? Thank you Dave from a very wet North Devon.

Hi Everyone, I know it's a long time since I started this, but I have managed to get back into it now. I have put together a list of old shops in Bedford. Anyone wanting a copy can email me for one. Can put it on Microsoft Word, AppleWorks or just on an email as a list. let me know if I have missed some shops or have any of them wrong. Cheers Carol Australia Tasmania

Hello Carol, I, too, would appreciate a copy of your list of Bedford shops. A WORD attachment to [email protected] would be fine. Many thanks, Peter Wood Flitwick, Bedfordshire BullGuard Anti-virus has scanned this e-mail and found it clean. Try BullGuard for free: www.bullguard.com

Carol, Would very much much like a copy have some old photos of Bedford but only two ,if the ones I have are different from yours will send you copies. Kind regards Les -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ken & Carol Jones Sent: 05 September 2008 06:56 To: [email protected] Subject: [BDF] Bedford Shops Hi Everyone, I know it's a long time since I started this, but I have managed to get back into it now. I have put together a list of old shops in Bedford. Anyone wanting a copy can email me for one. Can put it on Microsoft Word, AppleWorks or just on an email as a list. let me know if I have missed some shops or have any of them wrong. Cheers Carol Australia Tasmania The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Carol I would be interested to have a copy of the result of all your hard work. I am happy to receive it on Microsoft Word or as a list on email. Many thanks for compiling the list, Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Carol Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: [BDF] Bedford Shops > Hi Everyone, > I know it's a long time since I started this, but I have managed to get > back > into it now. I have put together a list of old shops in Bedford. Anyone > wanting a copy can email me for one. Can put it on Microsoft Word, > AppleWorks or just on an email as a list. let me know if I have missed > some > shops or have any of them wrong. > > Cheers Carol > Australia > Tasmania > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for home users. SPAMfighter has removed 9 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hi Carol Yes, could you please send me a list of the Bedford shops in Microsoft Word format. Thank you for your time. Regards Stuart ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken & Carol Jones" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:55 AM Subject: [BDF] Bedford Shops > Hi Everyone, > I know it's a long time since I started this, but I have managed to get > back > into it now. I have put together a list of old shops in Bedford. Anyone > wanting a copy can email me for one. Can put it on Microsoft Word, > AppleWorks or just on an email as a list. let me know if I have missed > some > shops or have any of them wrong. > > Cheers Carol > Australia > Tasmania > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this lead, Dave. Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Valentine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant > Cannot help with your specific Pheasant, but I had a Catherine Pheasant > marrying a Roger Favell in the Village of Great Barford just to the east > of > Bedford, over 100 years earlier on Feb 27th 1672. > > My interest being the Favell family. > > Might lead you to the right area. > > Dave V > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of SRuch > Sent: 28 August 2008 02:52 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant > > Hi, Peter, > > Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried all of them and have found her 1797 > death record in Baltimore (only the date in church records; cemetery was > removed when a new church was built and headstones gone); probation of her > will which I found in London; > marriage record, also found in London, and no other info about her in St. > Marylebone Church records. I also traveled to Tavistock where I found the > marriage record of John and Rachel's daughter, Ann, among microfiche files > in the public library of all places. > > Rachel is not my ancestor as I'm descended from John and another wife, but > I'm curious about her because of the story of John and his first wife that > has been passed down in our family. My uncles believed John came from the > Isle of Jersey and left England because he hated the British. Perhaps > Rachel > Pheasant (Fezant, Fessant??) was French and also from Jersey? The search > continues. > > Regards, > Shelby > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant > > >> Shelby, >> >> I'm not convinced that Rachel has connections in Bedfordshire, but I >> can >> appreciate the difficulties you are having. The Pheasant surname appears >> in >> a number of other counties. >> >> I think the place to concentrate is the 1795 marriage in St >> Marylebone. >> Have you tried at LDS to see if they have the parish records on film? >> >> Another thought might be to see if any shipping records are available >> for their migration to USA. You might also look for the reason for their >> migration? Where there relatives there that might give some clues to >> origins. >> >> I'm not familiar with US death records. Is it possible some >> information >> could be gleaned from her death record or a tombstone inscription?. >> >> Peter in Sydney >> >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 27/08/2008 > 07:01 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I would like to say a very big thank you, to those kind people who helped with my recent request for information regarding the Cardosi/Hinnigan family of Luton. Thanks to Stella I now have the marriage Cert for Rose Hinnigan and Pietro Cardosi. The above marriage took place at The Catholic Church of St Mary Help of Christians, Castle St, Luton on 23rd January 1918, both were living at 4 Windsor St, Luton. Pietros father was Leopoldo Cardosi, profession states Pietro was a Hat Block Maker and Leopoldo was formerly a Veterinary Surgeon. In 1901 Rose was single and living in Lincoln but I know nothing of her after that until her marriage. If anyone has any further information or advice on this family it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks everyone. Elaine

Know All Men by these Presents that J John Chaplin ? of Wistow in the County of Huntingdon Yeoman am held and Firmly bound to William Law of Eaton Socon in the County of Bedford Grocer and James Sykes of the parish of Eaton Socon aforesaid Yeoman Edward Pridmore of Eaton Socon aforesaid joyner and William Howkins of Eaton Socon aforesaid Yeoman church regarding overseers of the poor in Forty Pounds of good and Lawful Money of Great Britain to be paid to the said William Law James Sykes Edward Pridmore and William Howkins or their certain Attorney Extors Admers Successors or Assigns for the true Payment whereof joind myself my Heirs Extors and Admors Firmly by these presents sealed with my Seal Dated the twenty third day of January in the Year of our Lord 1755. The Condition of this Obligation is such that Whereas Hanah Holding late of Wistow but now of Eaton Socon aforesaid Single Woman was lately delivered of a Female Bastard Child within the parish of Eaton Socon of which is likely to become Chargeable to the said parish of Eaton Socon and of which John Chaplin the son of the above bound John Chaplin is by the said Hanah Holding to be the Father Now the Condition of this Obligation is such that if the abovebound John Chaplin his Heirs Extors or Admors do and shall from time to time and at all times hereafter Acquit Exonerate and Discharge or Otherwise well and Sufficiently save and keep harmless and Indemnifyed as well the abovenamed William Law James Sykes Edward Pridmore and William Howkins Churchwardens and Overseers of the poor of the parish of Eaton Socon aforesaid and their Successors for the time being and every of them as also all the Inhabitants and parishioners of the said parish for the time being of all from all and all Manner of Expences Damages Costs and Charges whatsoever which shall or may Arive come from grow or be Imposed upon them or any of them for or by reason or means of the birth Maintenance and bringing up of such Child and of and from all Actions Suits Troubles Charges Damages and Demands whatsoever Touching or Concerning the same Then the above Obligation to be Void. Sealed and Delivered in the presence of us Richd Mitchell Jno Park Tho Chaplin

Cannot help with your specific Pheasant, but I had a Catherine Pheasant marrying a Roger Favell in the Village of Great Barford just to the east of Bedford, over 100 years earlier on Feb 27th 1672. My interest being the Favell family. Might lead you to the right area. Dave V -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of SRuch Sent: 28 August 2008 02:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant Hi, Peter, Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried all of them and have found her 1797 death record in Baltimore (only the date in church records; cemetery was removed when a new church was built and headstones gone); probation of her will which I found in London; marriage record, also found in London, and no other info about her in St. Marylebone Church records. I also traveled to Tavistock where I found the marriage record of John and Rachel's daughter, Ann, among microfiche files in the public library of all places. Rachel is not my ancestor as I'm descended from John and another wife, but I'm curious about her because of the story of John and his first wife that has been passed down in our family. My uncles believed John came from the Isle of Jersey and left England because he hated the British. Perhaps Rachel Pheasant (Fezant, Fessant??) was French and also from Jersey? The search continues. Regards, Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant > Shelby, > > I'm not convinced that Rachel has connections in Bedfordshire, but I > can > appreciate the difficulties you are having. The Pheasant surname appears > in > a number of other counties. > > I think the place to concentrate is the 1795 marriage in St Marylebone. > Have you tried at LDS to see if they have the parish records on film? > > Another thought might be to see if any shipping records are available > for their migration to USA. You might also look for the reason for their > migration? Where there relatives there that might give some clues to > origins. > > I'm not familiar with US death records. Is it possible some information > could be gleaned from her death record or a tombstone inscription?. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > The List Guidelines http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ The Bedfordshire Surnames List http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 27/08/2008 07:01

Hello John, Thank you for this information. David sent some but he didn't have access to the Banns I don't think regarding the marriage of Lydia Gray to Sam Burgoyne. You are very lucky to access to things like that so close. Kind regards Jan Peasnell On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 6:29 AM, john partridge < [email protected]> wrote: > Janice > > >From Colmworth parish records; As well as Jemima, John & Lydia Gray had > daughter Elizabeth baptised 30 Oct 1791 at Colmworth; & they also had a son > William buried on 3 Sept 1789, but I could not find his baptism. > > There is a marriage at Colmworth on 28 Nov 1785 of John Gray, labourer to > Lydia Goodman - so that's the Goodman Gray link for the Jemima G G Elliott > b > June 1855; daughter of David Elliot & Hannah Perkins.. > > There is Burial of John Gray labourer on 15 Apr 1792 & a marriage of Sam > Burgoyne, widower of Eaton Socon to Letitia Gray, widow on 10 Dec 1804 -- > although the banns at Eaton Socon name her correctly as Lydia Gray, of > Colmworth. > > Lydia Goodman was baptised 1 Mar 1764 age 4, daughter of John & Eliz > Goodman. > > >From the Eaton Socon PR, > while there is a marriage of John Ellard to Jemima Gray on 15 Sept 1806, > there is also a marriage of William Ellard to Mary Seymour on 26 Dec 1804 > The marriage entries says all parties are from Eaton Socon. > > Regards > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:20 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > Hello John, > > Yes, you are more then probably right. I will be interested to see if the > Rusden people can help with a further generation on the ELLIOTT family. > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, john partridge < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Morning Janice & David > > > > Mother & grandson are doing fine thanks; & I'm not easily distracted > > except > > for visits to Dunstable !. > > > > I still think Mary Elliott is the Mary baptised 3//3/1811 is daughter of > > William & Mary ELLET as per extracted IGI entry. > > They had other Ellet children baptised at Eaton Socon as per IGI & > buried > > as per escan site entries; as follows > > John baptised 13/12/1812 - died 1813 age 4 months > > Ann baptised 04/09/1814 dued 1828 age 14 years > > William bapt 10/05/1817 died 1826 age 9 years > > James bapt 01/12/1822 died 1823 age 10 months > > > > Mother Mary was buried 18/June 1827 age 44 making her born 1783 > > > > There was another son John bapt 23/04/1820. On 1841 census he is named > > Elliott with wife Rachel daughter Mary age 8 mnths. > > 1851 through to 1891 they appear with further children Maomi & Harriet > > with > > the name ELLARD. > > Marriage index at St Neots Oct/Dec 1839 is John Elliott to Rachel > Stevens. > > On later censuses his occupation is watch & clock cleaner; & he has an > > ntry > > in the BHRS vol 70 Beds Clock & watchmakers under the name Ellard. > > > > So with wife Mary dying in 1827, William ELLETT (Widower) married > > Elizabeth > > Barnes (Widow) on 23/12/1827 at Eaton Socon. > > 1851 has them in Eaton Socon William age 1776 born Rushden ! ! ! ! & > > Elizabeth b 1771 Budden/Buckden, Hunts > > 1841 has them age 60 & 65 > > > > So Mary Elliot 1810 is not daughter of John & Jemima but most likely is > > their niece, because John & William both born Rushden about same time, > > could > > be brothers ??? - something to ask Sandy on the Northants RootsChat > board > > (akready posted) > > > > Have a think about that. > > > > Regards Grandad John > > > > > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > > From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:18 AM > > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > > Hello David, > > > > Thank you for replying, John will now find himself rather distracted for > > a > > while. > > > > I have recently retired and now have more time to spend researching my > > family in depth. I visited Eaton Socon in June this year and was lucky > > enough to find the very informative books published by ESCAN, several of > > them mentioned members of the Elliott and Case families. Up until then I > > only had information on Ann and Mary. My G/G/Grandmother was the Ann > > Elliott who married Robert Case and she was his housekeeper before they > > married. I do not know if she was married before they married there is > > certainly no evidence of it from this end. (We did know she had been his > > housekeeper). > > > > I think I will just leave the Mary Elliott - John Wrench from Great > > Staughton as is, except of the Christening information. They were > > certainly > > the parents of Thomas and Jacob Wrench that came to Australia and they > > were > > both the nephews of Ann Elliott/Case > > > > All of the information I have regarding Ann Elliott shows her coming from > > Bushmead. I realise that Bushmead is close to Colmworth but until very > > recently Colmworth hadn't been mentioned. > > > > No, I have no information on John and Jemima's children having been > > christened in bulk but Mary and John WRENCH's children were, Thomas, Mary > > Ann and William on 19/5/1839, George and Sophia on 6/8/1843, Eliza and > > Joel > > on 7/5/1854. > > > > It would seem that the parents of Ann and Mary could have (I hope so) > been > > John Ellard and Jemima Gray. Are the parish records of Colmworth > > available? do they go back very far? Are these records being looked at > > by > > the ESCAN group, they are doing such a wonderful job in the Eaton Socon > > area. > > > > Thank you again for answering my request, > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jan Peasnell/Melbourne/Oz > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I've been working with John on this Elliott family, but he's a bit > > > distracted at the moment having become a grandfather earlier today. > > > > > > We think that his Mary Elliott/Ellet is the one baptised on 3 March > 1811 > > > at > > > Eaton Socon, daughter of William and Mary. This is an IGI entry > > > extracted > > > from the parish register so is reliable. Unfortunately an LDS member > has > > > hijacked this baptism, changed the father to John, and married Mary off > > to > > > John Rench at Gt Staughton. I don't think there's much doubt that Mary, > > > daughter of John and Jemima, married John Rench, but she wasn't > baptised > > > on > > > 3 March 1811. > > > > > > Apart from Lydia's baptism at Colmworth in 1832 (extracted entry) the > > > IGI > > > also has a member submission for the baptism of Ann Elliott, daughter > of > > > John, at Colmworth on 23 March 1845, birth about 1818. The only Ann I > > > can > > > see baptised on this date at Colmworth was Ann Herbert, but no parents > > > were > > > mentioned, nor was there an age giving an implied birth of 1818. > However > > I > > > see that an Ann Elliott, father John, married Joseph Herbert in 1839 at > > > Colmworth so the baptism may have been a post marriage, very late, one. > > Is > > > this the Ann who married Robert Case? Seems odd if so, as Robert > appears > > > to > > > have married an Ann Elliot, not Herbert, who was a servant in his > > > household > > > in 1851. Mysterious, particularly as I can't find the Herberts in 1851! > > > > > > When you say the children were baptised in bulk are you referring to > the > > > children of John and Jemima, as I can't find their baptisms at all > > > (apart > > > from Lydia and possibly Ann as very late ones)? > > > > > > I believe that John and Jemima were the John Ellard and Jemima Gray > > > married > > > at Eaton Socon on 15 Sept 1806, and that Jemima Gray was baptised at > > > Colmworth on 4 March 1787 at Colmworth, daughter of John and Lydia > > > (probably > > > explaining where the name Lydia came from with the Elliotts/Cases). > > > > > > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below (or > should > > > have been!); they were not rounded up. > > > > > > Baptism entries do not have details of godparents. Life would be much > > > easier if they did! > > > > > > David > > > > > > > > > --- En date de : Jeu 21.8.08, Janice Peasnell < > [email protected]> > > a > > > écrit : > > > > > > > De: Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > > > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > À: [email protected] > > > > Date: Jeudi 21 Août 2008, 1h59 > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > The information involving this family is complicated to say > > > > the least. The > > > > villages of Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Duloe and even St Neots > > > > gets thrown into > > > > the mix pretty regularly. > > > > > > > > I was contacted about 30 years ago by a member of the > > > > WRENCH family who had > > > > done a considerable amount of research on their family and > > > > they believed > > > > that Mary WRENCH and Ann CASE were sisters. > > > > > > > > I have found that both Mary and Ann ELLIOTT (my > > > > G/G.Grandmother) are > > > > recorded as being born in Bushmead - Mary's marrriage > > > > info on IGI and the > > > > 1881 Census, and Ann in the 1851 Census and her shipping > > > > records). In 1865 > > > > two sons of Mary and John WRENCH travelled to Maryborough > > > > in Queensland, > > > > they were Thomas and Jacob. Thomas married Mary CASE the > > > > daughter of Ann's > > > > husband Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN and was > > > > known to be the > > > > nephew of Ann from Eaton Socon. Ann's shipping records > > > > show her parents as > > > > John and Jemima ELLIOTT. > > > > > > > > In both the 1841 and 1851 Census John and Jane (Jemima) > > > > ELLIOTT are living > > > > with son David in Duloe/Eaton Socon. I have written off > > > > for the Death > > > > certificate of Jemima ELLIOTT to see if there are any clues > > > > there that will > > > > tie this Jemima with Jane as the wife of John. > > > > > > > > I have started looking at the Marriage Witnesses to all of > > > > the children who > > > > were born to John ELLIOTT in Duloe and have found that > > > > almost all have > > > > family members as witnesses. For example When Lydia > > > > ELLIOTT and John > > > > CHEETHAM were married Ann Elliott and David Elliott were > > > > the witness. When > > > > Ann married Robert CASE, Lydia and John CHEETHAM were > > > > witnesses. When David > > > > ELLIOTT married Hannah PERKINS, Lydia and John CHEETHAM > > > > were witnesses. > > > > > > > > Regarding the Christening information - some children were > > > > christened in > > > > Bulk so it is quite possible that the Lydia you are looking > > > > at was > > > > Christened several years after her birth. I go by the ages > > > > given over > > > > multiple Census periods as a guide and certainly not the > > > > 1841 Census which > > > > was rounded down or up to the nearest 5. (Not in all cases > > > > but in quite a > > > > few). > > > > > > > > Re your question regarding their moving to Eaton Socon - > > > > All of the children > > > > of John and Jane/Jemima ELLIOTT were recorded as either > > > > being born in > > > > Bushmead or Duloe and both places are within walking > > > > distance of Eaton Socon > > > > and most of the Census papers mention Eaton Socon so it > > > > would depend on the > > > > document at the time and the person taking down the > > > > information. Most of > > > > the family look as if they could not write as they have a > > > > 'X' on the witness > > > > form of the wedding information. > > > > > > > > I do not know who put the information into IGI regarding > > > > the Mary ELLIOTT > > > > Christened in 1811 with parents William and Mary ELLET. It > > > > may be that Mary > > > > ELLET could be the sister of Jemima ELLIOTT as > > > > 'Lydia' appears in both > > > > families. Do you have access to the Christening > > > > documentation - if so do > > > > they have particulars regarding God Parents? > > > > > > > > Ann ELLIOTT who had four children after coming to Australia > > > > in 1856 named > > > > her children - Jemima, Lydia, Susanna and Hannah - after > > > > Mother and sisters. > > > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM, john partridge < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How do you know that Mary Elliott, who married John > > > > Wrench, was daughter of > > > > > John & Jemima ? > > > > > > > > > > Their 2nd child Lydia Ellet seems to have been > > > > christened in Colmworth in > > > > > 1832 while you say she's born 1817. > > > > > > > > > > & how/when did they get over to Eaton Socon area. > > > > OK they were there in > > > > > 1841 > > > > > & there is a burial of Jemima Elliot in ES in 1856 > > > > on at age 76 > > > > > > > > > > The Mary Elliot I have was born 1809/1810 & > > > > christened at ES on 3/3/1811 to > > > > > parents William & Mary Ellet > > > > > > > > > > Regards John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:38 AM > > > > > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > > > > > I am so very sorry it has taken me so long to > > > > reply. Thank you for this > > > > > > information, which I didn't know. Two of > > > > Mary and John Wrench's > > > > > children, > > > > > > Thomas born in 1838 and Jacob born in 1846 came > > > > out to Australia. Thomas > > > > > > married Mary CASE in Maryborough Qld in 1867. > > > > Mary was the daughter of > > > > > > Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN from > > > > Axminster. Robert's > > > > > > second > > > > > > wife was Ann ELLIOTT from Bushmead and Mary > > > > ELLIOTT's sister. Joseph > > > > > > married Isabella DAVIDSON in 1873 also in > > > > Maryborough. Isabella came > > > > > from > > > > > > Lanarkshire. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you have additional information on the family > > > > I would be most > > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 AM, john partridge > > > > < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello Jan > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Mary Wrench baptised 19/05/1839 Gt Staughton > > > > was 1st child of John > > > > > Wrench > > > > > >> & > > > > > >> Mary Elliott; & she married Joseph > > > > Partridge b 1838 Eaton Socon. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Joseph Partridge was grandson to Jonathan > > > > Partridge b 1789 Bletsoe, Beds > > > > > >> & > > > > > >> is the older brother to my gt-gt-grandfather > > > > > >> > > > > > >> John & Mary Wrench had 8 other children > > > > between 1836 & 1850. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> If you want more info let me know > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Regards > > > > > >> > > > > > >> John Partridge > > > > > >> Bedford > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >> From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:40 AM > > > > > >> Subject: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Hello Listers, > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > I am researching the family of John and > > > > Jane (Jemima) ELLIOTT who > > > > > were > > > > > >> > living in Duloe with their son David in > > > > the 1841/1851 Census. Their > > > > > >> > children were (1) Mary, born 1810 in > > > > Bushmead married John WRENCH. > > > > > (2) > > > > > >> > Ann > > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn abt 1818 Bushmead - Married > > > > Robert CASE in 1853 and > > > > > migrated > > > > > >> to > > > > > >> > Australia with him and his young family > > > > in 1854. (3) Lydia ELLIOTT bn > > > > > >> > 1817 > > > > > >> > Bushmead married John CHEETHAM, they > > > > lived for some time in Eaton > > > > > Socon > > > > > >> > until John died and Lydia moved to Derby > > > > with daughter Ann. (4) David > > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn 1824 Bushmead married Hannah > > > > PERKINS in 1849. (5) James > > > > > >> > ELLIOTT > > > > > >> > bn Eaton Socon who married Rebecca JAMES > > > > in 1841. (6) Sarah ELLIOTT bn > > > > > >> > Eaton > > > > > >> > Socon married John RUFF in 1839. 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Is anyone researching in the vicinity of the village of Yielden/Yeldon in Bedfordshire.  My interest there is with the Hodgkins family.   Forrest

Hi, Peter, Thanks for the suggestions. I've tried all of them and have found her 1797 death record in Baltimore (only the date in church records; cemetery was removed when a new church was built and headstones gone); probation of her will which I found in London; marriage record, also found in London, and no other info about her in St. Marylebone Church records. I also traveled to Tavistock where I found the marriage record of John and Rachel's daughter, Ann, among microfiche files in the public library of all places. Rachel is not my ancestor as I'm descended from John and another wife, but I'm curious about her because of the story of John and his first wife that has been passed down in our family. My uncles believed John came from the Isle of Jersey and left England because he hated the British. Perhaps Rachel Pheasant (Fezant, Fessant??) was French and also from Jersey? The search continues. Regards, Shelby ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Rachel Pheasant > Shelby, > > I'm not convinced that Rachel has connections in Bedfordshire, but I > can > appreciate the difficulties you are having. The Pheasant surname appears > in > a number of other counties. > > I think the place to concentrate is the 1795 marriage in St Marylebone. > Have you tried at LDS to see if they have the parish records on film? > > Another thought might be to see if any shipping records are available > for their migration to USA. You might also look for the reason for their > migration? Where there relatives there that might give some clues to > origins. > > I'm not familiar with US death records. Is it possible some information > could be gleaned from her death record or a tombstone inscription?. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Janice >From Colmworth parish records; As well as Jemima, John & Lydia Gray had daughter Elizabeth baptised 30 Oct 1791 at Colmworth; & they also had a son William buried on 3 Sept 1789, but I could not find his baptism. There is a marriage at Colmworth on 28 Nov 1785 of John Gray, labourer to Lydia Goodman - so that's the Goodman Gray link for the Jemima G G Elliott b June 1855; daughter of David Elliot & Hannah Perkins.. There is Burial of John Gray labourer on 15 Apr 1792 & a marriage of Sam Burgoyne, widower of Eaton Socon to Letitia Gray, widow on 10 Dec 1804 -- although the banns at Eaton Socon name her correctly as Lydia Gray, of Colmworth. Lydia Goodman was baptised 1 Mar 1764 age 4, daughter of John & Eliz Goodman. >From the Eaton Socon PR, while there is a marriage of John Ellard to Jemima Gray on 15 Sept 1806, there is also a marriage of William Ellard to Mary Seymour on 26 Dec 1804 The marriage entries says all parties are from Eaton Socon. Regards John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon Hello John, Yes, you are more then probably right. I will be interested to see if the Rusden people can help with a further generation on the ELLIOTT family. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, john partridge < [email protected]> wrote: > Morning Janice & David > > Mother & grandson are doing fine thanks; & I'm not easily distracted > except > for visits to Dunstable !. > > I still think Mary Elliott is the Mary baptised 3//3/1811 is daughter of > William & Mary ELLET as per extracted IGI entry. > They had other Ellet children baptised at Eaton Socon as per IGI & buried > as per escan site entries; as follows > John baptised 13/12/1812 - died 1813 age 4 months > Ann baptised 04/09/1814 dued 1828 age 14 years > William bapt 10/05/1817 died 1826 age 9 years > James bapt 01/12/1822 died 1823 age 10 months > > Mother Mary was buried 18/June 1827 age 44 making her born 1783 > > There was another son John bapt 23/04/1820. On 1841 census he is named > Elliott with wife Rachel daughter Mary age 8 mnths. > 1851 through to 1891 they appear with further children Maomi & Harriet > with > the name ELLARD. > Marriage index at St Neots Oct/Dec 1839 is John Elliott to Rachel Stevens. > On later censuses his occupation is watch & clock cleaner; & he has an > ntry > in the BHRS vol 70 Beds Clock & watchmakers under the name Ellard. > > So with wife Mary dying in 1827, William ELLETT (Widower) married > Elizabeth > Barnes (Widow) on 23/12/1827 at Eaton Socon. > 1851 has them in Eaton Socon William age 1776 born Rushden ! ! ! ! & > Elizabeth b 1771 Budden/Buckden, Hunts > 1841 has them age 60 & 65 > > So Mary Elliot 1810 is not daughter of John & Jemima but most likely is > their niece, because John & William both born Rushden about same time, > could > be brothers ??? - something to ask Sandy on the Northants RootsChat board > (akready posted) > > Have a think about that. > > Regards Grandad John > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > Hello David, > > Thank you for replying, John will now find himself rather distracted for > a > while. > > I have recently retired and now have more time to spend researching my > family in depth. I visited Eaton Socon in June this year and was lucky > enough to find the very informative books published by ESCAN, several of > them mentioned members of the Elliott and Case families. Up until then I > only had information on Ann and Mary. My G/G/Grandmother was the Ann > Elliott who married Robert Case and she was his housekeeper before they > married. I do not know if she was married before they married there is > certainly no evidence of it from this end. (We did know she had been his > housekeeper). > > I think I will just leave the Mary Elliott - John Wrench from Great > Staughton as is, except of the Christening information. They were > certainly > the parents of Thomas and Jacob Wrench that came to Australia and they > were > both the nephews of Ann Elliott/Case > > All of the information I have regarding Ann Elliott shows her coming from > Bushmead. I realise that Bushmead is close to Colmworth but until very > recently Colmworth hadn't been mentioned. > > No, I have no information on John and Jemima's children having been > christened in bulk but Mary and John WRENCH's children were, Thomas, Mary > Ann and William on 19/5/1839, George and Sophia on 6/8/1843, Eliza and > Joel > on 7/5/1854. > > It would seem that the parents of Ann and Mary could have (I hope so) been > John Ellard and Jemima Gray. Are the parish records of Colmworth > available? do they go back very far? Are these records being looked at > by > the ESCAN group, they are doing such a wonderful job in the Eaton Socon > area. > > Thank you again for answering my request, > > Kind regards > > Jan Peasnell/Melbourne/Oz > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've been working with John on this Elliott family, but he's a bit > > distracted at the moment having become a grandfather earlier today. > > > > We think that his Mary Elliott/Ellet is the one baptised on 3 March 1811 > > at > > Eaton Socon, daughter of William and Mary. This is an IGI entry > > extracted > > from the parish register so is reliable. Unfortunately an LDS member has > > hijacked this baptism, changed the father to John, and married Mary off > to > > John Rench at Gt Staughton. I don't think there's much doubt that Mary, > > daughter of John and Jemima, married John Rench, but she wasn't baptised > > on > > 3 March 1811. > > > > Apart from Lydia's baptism at Colmworth in 1832 (extracted entry) the > > IGI > > also has a member submission for the baptism of Ann Elliott, daughter of > > John, at Colmworth on 23 March 1845, birth about 1818. The only Ann I > > can > > see baptised on this date at Colmworth was Ann Herbert, but no parents > > were > > mentioned, nor was there an age giving an implied birth of 1818. However > I > > see that an Ann Elliott, father John, married Joseph Herbert in 1839 at > > Colmworth so the baptism may have been a post marriage, very late, one. > Is > > this the Ann who married Robert Case? Seems odd if so, as Robert appears > > to > > have married an Ann Elliot, not Herbert, who was a servant in his > > household > > in 1851. Mysterious, particularly as I can't find the Herberts in 1851! > > > > When you say the children were baptised in bulk are you referring to the > > children of John and Jemima, as I can't find their baptisms at all > > (apart > > from Lydia and possibly Ann as very late ones)? > > > > I believe that John and Jemima were the John Ellard and Jemima Gray > > married > > at Eaton Socon on 15 Sept 1806, and that Jemima Gray was baptised at > > Colmworth on 4 March 1787 at Colmworth, daughter of John and Lydia > > (probably > > explaining where the name Lydia came from with the Elliotts/Cases). > > > > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below (or should > > have been!); they were not rounded up. > > > > Baptism entries do not have details of godparents. Life would be much > > easier if they did! > > > > David > > > > > > --- En date de : Jeu 21.8.08, Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > a > > écrit : > > > > > De: Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > À: [email protected] > > > Date: Jeudi 21 Août 2008, 1h59 > > > Hello John, > > > > > > The information involving this family is complicated to say > > > the least. The > > > villages of Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Duloe and even St Neots > > > gets thrown into > > > the mix pretty regularly. > > > > > > I was contacted about 30 years ago by a member of the > > > WRENCH family who had > > > done a considerable amount of research on their family and > > > they believed > > > that Mary WRENCH and Ann CASE were sisters. > > > > > > I have found that both Mary and Ann ELLIOTT (my > > > G/G.Grandmother) are > > > recorded as being born in Bushmead - Mary's marrriage > > > info on IGI and the > > > 1881 Census, and Ann in the 1851 Census and her shipping > > > records). In 1865 > > > two sons of Mary and John WRENCH travelled to Maryborough > > > in Queensland, > > > they were Thomas and Jacob. Thomas married Mary CASE the > > > daughter of Ann's > > > husband Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN and was > > > known to be the > > > nephew of Ann from Eaton Socon. Ann's shipping records > > > show her parents as > > > John and Jemima ELLIOTT. > > > > > > In both the 1841 and 1851 Census John and Jane (Jemima) > > > ELLIOTT are living > > > with son David in Duloe/Eaton Socon. I have written off > > > for the Death > > > certificate of Jemima ELLIOTT to see if there are any clues > > > there that will > > > tie this Jemima with Jane as the wife of John. > > > > > > I have started looking at the Marriage Witnesses to all of > > > the children who > > > were born to John ELLIOTT in Duloe and have found that > > > almost all have > > > family members as witnesses. For example When Lydia > > > ELLIOTT and John > > > CHEETHAM were married Ann Elliott and David Elliott were > > > the witness. When > > > Ann married Robert CASE, Lydia and John CHEETHAM were > > > witnesses. When David > > > ELLIOTT married Hannah PERKINS, Lydia and John CHEETHAM > > > were witnesses. > > > > > > Regarding the Christening information - some children were > > > christened in > > > Bulk so it is quite possible that the Lydia you are looking > > > at was > > > Christened several years after her birth. I go by the ages > > > given over > > > multiple Census periods as a guide and certainly not the > > > 1841 Census which > > > was rounded down or up to the nearest 5. (Not in all cases > > > but in quite a > > > few). > > > > > > Re your question regarding their moving to Eaton Socon - > > > All of the children > > > of John and Jane/Jemima ELLIOTT were recorded as either > > > being born in > > > Bushmead or Duloe and both places are within walking > > > distance of Eaton Socon > > > and most of the Census papers mention Eaton Socon so it > > > would depend on the > > > document at the time and the person taking down the > > > information. Most of > > > the family look as if they could not write as they have a > > > 'X' on the witness > > > form of the wedding information. > > > > > > I do not know who put the information into IGI regarding > > > the Mary ELLIOTT > > > Christened in 1811 with parents William and Mary ELLET. It > > > may be that Mary > > > ELLET could be the sister of Jemima ELLIOTT as > > > 'Lydia' appears in both > > > families. Do you have access to the Christening > > > documentation - if so do > > > they have particulars regarding God Parents? > > > > > > Ann ELLIOTT who had four children after coming to Australia > > > in 1856 named > > > her children - Jemima, Lydia, Susanna and Hannah - after > > > Mother and sisters. > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM, john partridge < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > How do you know that Mary Elliott, who married John > > > Wrench, was daughter of > > > > John & Jemima ? > > > > > > > > Their 2nd child Lydia Ellet seems to have been > > > christened in Colmworth in > > > > 1832 while you say she's born 1817. > > > > > > > > & how/when did they get over to Eaton Socon area. > > > OK they were there in > > > > 1841 > > > > & there is a burial of Jemima Elliot in ES in 1856 > > > on at age 76 > > > > > > > > The Mary Elliot I have was born 1809/1810 & > > > christened at ES on 3/3/1811 to > > > > parents William & Mary Ellet > > > > > > > > Regards John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:38 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > > > I am so very sorry it has taken me so long to > > > reply. Thank you for this > > > > > information, which I didn't know. Two of > > > Mary and John Wrench's > > > > children, > > > > > Thomas born in 1838 and Jacob born in 1846 came > > > out to Australia. Thomas > > > > > married Mary CASE in Maryborough Qld in 1867. > > > Mary was the daughter of > > > > > Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN from > > > Axminster. Robert's > > > > > second > > > > > wife was Ann ELLIOTT from Bushmead and Mary > > > ELLIOTT's sister. Joseph > > > > > married Isabella DAVIDSON in 1873 also in > > > Maryborough. Isabella came > > > > from > > > > > Lanarkshire. > > > > > > > > > > If you have additional information on the family > > > I would be most > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 AM, john partridge > > > < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hello Jan > > > > >> > > > > >> Mary Wrench baptised 19/05/1839 Gt Staughton > > > was 1st child of John > > > > Wrench > > > > >> & > > > > >> Mary Elliott; & she married Joseph > > > Partridge b 1838 Eaton Socon. > > > > >> > > > > >> Joseph Partridge was grandson to Jonathan > > > Partridge b 1789 Bletsoe, Beds > > > > >> & > > > > >> is the older brother to my gt-gt-grandfather > > > > >> > > > > >> John & Mary Wrench had 8 other children > > > between 1836 & 1850. > > > > >> > > > > >> If you want more info let me know > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> John Partridge > > > > >> Bedford > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:40 AM > > > > >> Subject: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello Listers, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I am researching the family of John and > > > Jane (Jemima) ELLIOTT who > > > > were > > > > >> > living in Duloe with their son David in > > > the 1841/1851 Census. Their > > > > >> > children were (1) Mary, born 1810 in > > > Bushmead married John WRENCH. > > > > (2) > > > > >> > Ann > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn abt 1818 Bushmead - Married > > > Robert CASE in 1853 and > > > > migrated > > > > >> to > > > > >> > Australia with him and his young family > > > in 1854. (3) Lydia ELLIOTT bn > > > > >> > 1817 > > > > >> > Bushmead married John CHEETHAM, they > > > lived for some time in Eaton > > > > Socon > > > > >> > until John died and Lydia moved to Derby > > > with daughter Ann. (4) David > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn 1824 Bushmead married Hannah > > > PERKINS in 1849. (5) James > > > > >> > ELLIOTT > > > > >> > bn Eaton Socon who married Rebecca JAMES > > > in 1841. (6) Sarah ELLIOTT bn > > > > >> > Eaton > > > > >> > Socon married John RUFF in 1839. 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Dear Listers I have discovered a little goldmine of information if you have a relative who worked for Hayward Tyler Ltd in Luton during the period 1900 to 1950. In the Bedfordshire and Luton Archives they have a collection [reference SP] of three books, amongst others. The first gives the names of all 'shop floor' employees who had worked for the company and the other two books [one contains surnames with the letters A to L, and the other M to Z] give the names of those who had left the company and the reason for leaving. The information for each employee includes their date of birth, their address, occupation, weekly salary and their National Insurance number. The surnames are in alphabetical order. A potted history of the company is given in the index book for the SP records and so it is possible to relate company events with both local and worldwide events and so place your ancestor in a time context. I found the Archives staff very helpful, knowledgeable and always sincerely smiling. Kind regards David [PS Apologies if you already knew about the records]

Know All Men by these presents that toe Thomas Markham the Elder of the parish of Alconbury in the County of Huntingdon yeoman and William Burton of the same place yeoman the major part of the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of the parish of Alconbury aforesaid are held and firmly Bound to John Moon Robert Dillingham and Edward Lowe the major part of the Churchwardens and Overseers of the Poor of the parish of Eaton Socon in the County of Bedford in the Sum of Fifty Pounds of good and lawful money of Great Britain to be paid to the said John Robert and Edward or either or any of them their or either or any of their attorneys Executors Administrators Successors or Assigns To which payment well and faithfully to be made to Bind our selves and every of us our and every of our Heirs Executors Administrators Successors and Assigns firmly by these presents Sealed with our Seals Dated the Fourteenth Day of December in the year of our Lord One Thousand Seven Hundred and Fifty Two and in the Twenty Sixth year of the Reign of his Majesty King George the Second Whereas Sarah Teate Single woman hath Intruded herself into the abovesaid parish of Eaton Socon and hath for some time past Dwell and Inhabited within the said parish without any Right as to do not having gained a legal Settlement therein And whereas the said Sarah Teate is an Inhabitant legally settled in the said parish of Alconbury and is now become great with Child or Children which said Child or Children when born will be likely to become Chargeable to the said parish of Eaton Socon in case the said Sarah Teat shall be brought to Bed of such Child or Children in the said parish of Eton Socon And Whereas the said Thomas Markham and William Burton in behalf of themselves and their Successors and also the Inhabitants for the time being of the said parish of Alconbury has undertaken to indemnify the said John Moon Robert Dillingham and Edward Lowe their Assigns and Successors and also all other the Inhabitants of the said parish of Eaton Socon which now and shall be hereafter of and from all Damages Charges and Expenses that may accrue to them or any of them by want of the said Sarah Teate's being brought to bed of such Child or Children within the said parish of Eaton Socon or by reason or means of the Birth Maintenance or Education of such Child or Children, or of the Maintenance of the said Sarah Teate Now the Condition of the above written Obligation is such That if the above bounden Thomas Markham and William Burton their Successors for the time being shall and do from time to time and at all times hereafter In Case the said Sarah Teate shall not gain a Legal Settlement in the said Parish of Eaton Socon Receive the said Sarah as an Inhabitant lawfully Settled in the above named parish of Alconbury And also shall and do from time to time and at all times hereafter are and keep Harmless and Indemnified as well the said John Moon Robert Dillingham & Edward Lowe and their successors for the time being as also all and every the Inhabitants and parishioners of the said parish of Eaton Socon which now are or hereafter shall be and every of them of from and against All manner of Costs Charges Damages and Expenses whatsoever which shall or may at any time hereafter happen grow or be Charged or Imposed upon them or any of them for or by reason or means of the Support and maintenance of the said Sarah Teate or for or by reason or means of the said Sarah Teate being great with Child as aforesaid or for or on account or aiding of the Birth Education Maintenance and Bringing up such Child or Children that she the said Sarah Teate now goeth with and of and from all other Suits Troubles Charges Damages and Demands whatsoever touching or Concerning the same Then the above written Obligation to the said otherwise to be and Remain in full force and Virtue Sealed and Delivered In the presence of Abraham Thos Taylor his mark Tho Markham William Burton

"We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to ensure that the General Register Office of the ONS completes asap, as promised, the digitisation of, and online index to, the national BMD ledgers dating back to 1837 previously held in the Family Records Centre in London." Details of Petition: "The GRO's project to put 170 years of national BMD data online is at least twelve months behind schedule. Due to budgetary constraints and overspend on this and other IT projects, the GRO is now also unlikely to find funding in the near future to create the online index search facility that users of the new service will need to access it. The closure of the Public Search Room facilities at the Family Records Centre building in Myddleton Street in October 2007 and the end of access to the 6,550 physical ledgers held there was intended to go hand in hand with the arrival of online indexes to birth, marriages and death records, a promise that is now in the process of being broken." · Read the petition · Petitions homepage Read the Government's response The General Register Office (GRO) has a statutory obligation to make index data for registration records publicly available. Since the closure of the Family Records Centre in March 2008, it has provided copies of the indexes in microfiche format at several libraries and record offices across England and Wales. Many people who would previously have had to visit London to view the indexes are now able to do so much closer to home. Further details on where to search the full range of GRO indexes from 1837 to 2008 can be found at http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/research/groindexes/holders_of_the_gro_indexes.asp GRO recognises that the creation of a publicly-accessible online index will be of even greater value to many family historians. GRO was transferred on 1 April 2008 from the Office for National Statistics to the Identity and Passport Service (IPS). IPS has confirmed that the creation of an accessible online index is a commitment which GRO will continue to work towards. A necessary pre-requisite is that all the registration records from 1837 must be created in a digitised format. The project to achieve this has encountered delays, with about half the records currently digitised. IPS is investigating a new project to complete the work and to address the requirement for an online index. At this stage options for the best method of implementation are being reviewed, and new timescales will be announced as soon as decisions based on the outcome of the review can be taken. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 8456 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Hello John, Yes, you are more then probably right. I will be interested to see if the Rusden people can help with a further generation on the ELLIOTT family. On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 4:37 PM, john partridge < [email protected]> wrote: > Morning Janice & David > > Mother & grandson are doing fine thanks; & I'm not easily distracted except > for visits to Dunstable !. > > I still think Mary Elliott is the Mary baptised 3//3/1811 is daughter of > William & Mary ELLET as per extracted IGI entry. > They had other Ellet children baptised at Eaton Socon as per IGI & buried > as per escan site entries; as follows > John baptised 13/12/1812 - died 1813 age 4 months > Ann baptised 04/09/1814 dued 1828 age 14 years > William bapt 10/05/1817 died 1826 age 9 years > James bapt 01/12/1822 died 1823 age 10 months > > Mother Mary was buried 18/June 1827 age 44 making her born 1783 > > There was another son John bapt 23/04/1820. On 1841 census he is named > Elliott with wife Rachel daughter Mary age 8 mnths. > 1851 through to 1891 they appear with further children Maomi & Harriet with > the name ELLARD. > Marriage index at St Neots Oct/Dec 1839 is John Elliott to Rachel Stevens. > On later censuses his occupation is watch & clock cleaner; & he has an ntry > in the BHRS vol 70 Beds Clock & watchmakers under the name Ellard. > > So with wife Mary dying in 1827, William ELLETT (Widower) married Elizabeth > Barnes (Widow) on 23/12/1827 at Eaton Socon. > 1851 has them in Eaton Socon William age 1776 born Rushden ! ! ! ! & > Elizabeth b 1771 Budden/Buckden, Hunts > 1841 has them age 60 & 65 > > So Mary Elliot 1810 is not daughter of John & Jemima but most likely is > their niece, because John & William both born Rushden about same time, > could > be brothers ??? - something to ask Sandy on the Northants RootsChat board > (akready posted) > > Have a think about that. > > Regards Grandad John > > > > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "Janice Peasnell" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > Hello David, > > Thank you for replying, John will now find himself rather distracted for a > while. > > I have recently retired and now have more time to spend researching my > family in depth. I visited Eaton Socon in June this year and was lucky > enough to find the very informative books published by ESCAN, several of > them mentioned members of the Elliott and Case families. Up until then I > only had information on Ann and Mary. My G/G/Grandmother was the Ann > Elliott who married Robert Case and she was his housekeeper before they > married. I do not know if she was married before they married there is > certainly no evidence of it from this end. (We did know she had been his > housekeeper). > > I think I will just leave the Mary Elliott - John Wrench from Great > Staughton as is, except of the Christening information. They were > certainly > the parents of Thomas and Jacob Wrench that came to Australia and they were > both the nephews of Ann Elliott/Case > > All of the information I have regarding Ann Elliott shows her coming from > Bushmead. I realise that Bushmead is close to Colmworth but until very > recently Colmworth hadn't been mentioned. > > No, I have no information on John and Jemima's children having been > christened in bulk but Mary and John WRENCH's children were, Thomas, Mary > Ann and William on 19/5/1839, George and Sophia on 6/8/1843, Eliza and Joel > on 7/5/1854. > > It would seem that the parents of Ann and Mary could have (I hope so) been > John Ellard and Jemima Gray. Are the parish records of Colmworth > available? do they go back very far? Are these records being looked at by > the ESCAN group, they are doing such a wonderful job in the Eaton Socon > area. > > Thank you again for answering my request, > > Kind regards > > Jan Peasnell/Melbourne/Oz > > > > > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I've been working with John on this Elliott family, but he's a bit > > distracted at the moment having become a grandfather earlier today. > > > > We think that his Mary Elliott/Ellet is the one baptised on 3 March 1811 > > at > > Eaton Socon, daughter of William and Mary. This is an IGI entry extracted > > from the parish register so is reliable. Unfortunately an LDS member has > > hijacked this baptism, changed the father to John, and married Mary off > to > > John Rench at Gt Staughton. I don't think there's much doubt that Mary, > > daughter of John and Jemima, married John Rench, but she wasn't baptised > > on > > 3 March 1811. > > > > Apart from Lydia's baptism at Colmworth in 1832 (extracted entry) the IGI > > also has a member submission for the baptism of Ann Elliott, daughter of > > John, at Colmworth on 23 March 1845, birth about 1818. The only Ann I can > > see baptised on this date at Colmworth was Ann Herbert, but no parents > > were > > mentioned, nor was there an age giving an implied birth of 1818. However > I > > see that an Ann Elliott, father John, married Joseph Herbert in 1839 at > > Colmworth so the baptism may have been a post marriage, very late, one. > Is > > this the Ann who married Robert Case? Seems odd if so, as Robert appears > > to > > have married an Ann Elliot, not Herbert, who was a servant in his > > household > > in 1851. Mysterious, particularly as I can't find the Herberts in 1851! > > > > When you say the children were baptised in bulk are you referring to the > > children of John and Jemima, as I can't find their baptisms at all (apart > > from Lydia and possibly Ann as very late ones)? > > > > I believe that John and Jemima were the John Ellard and Jemima Gray > > married > > at Eaton Socon on 15 Sept 1806, and that Jemima Gray was baptised at > > Colmworth on 4 March 1787 at Colmworth, daughter of John and Lydia > > (probably > > explaining where the name Lydia came from with the Elliotts/Cases). > > > > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below (or should > > have been!); they were not rounded up. > > > > Baptism entries do not have details of godparents. Life would be much > > easier if they did! > > > > David > > > > > > --- En date de : Jeu 21.8.08, Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > a > > écrit : > > > > > De: Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > À: [email protected] > > > Date: Jeudi 21 Août 2008, 1h59 > > > Hello John, > > > > > > The information involving this family is complicated to say > > > the least. The > > > villages of Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Duloe and even St Neots > > > gets thrown into > > > the mix pretty regularly. > > > > > > I was contacted about 30 years ago by a member of the > > > WRENCH family who had > > > done a considerable amount of research on their family and > > > they believed > > > that Mary WRENCH and Ann CASE were sisters. > > > > > > I have found that both Mary and Ann ELLIOTT (my > > > G/G.Grandmother) are > > > recorded as being born in Bushmead - Mary's marrriage > > > info on IGI and the > > > 1881 Census, and Ann in the 1851 Census and her shipping > > > records). In 1865 > > > two sons of Mary and John WRENCH travelled to Maryborough > > > in Queensland, > > > they were Thomas and Jacob. Thomas married Mary CASE the > > > daughter of Ann's > > > husband Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN and was > > > known to be the > > > nephew of Ann from Eaton Socon. Ann's shipping records > > > show her parents as > > > John and Jemima ELLIOTT. > > > > > > In both the 1841 and 1851 Census John and Jane (Jemima) > > > ELLIOTT are living > > > with son David in Duloe/Eaton Socon. I have written off > > > for the Death > > > certificate of Jemima ELLIOTT to see if there are any clues > > > there that will > > > tie this Jemima with Jane as the wife of John. > > > > > > I have started looking at the Marriage Witnesses to all of > > > the children who > > > were born to John ELLIOTT in Duloe and have found that > > > almost all have > > > family members as witnesses. For example When Lydia > > > ELLIOTT and John > > > CHEETHAM were married Ann Elliott and David Elliott were > > > the witness. When > > > Ann married Robert CASE, Lydia and John CHEETHAM were > > > witnesses. When David > > > ELLIOTT married Hannah PERKINS, Lydia and John CHEETHAM > > > were witnesses. > > > > > > Regarding the Christening information - some children were > > > christened in > > > Bulk so it is quite possible that the Lydia you are looking > > > at was > > > Christened several years after her birth. I go by the ages > > > given over > > > multiple Census periods as a guide and certainly not the > > > 1841 Census which > > > was rounded down or up to the nearest 5. (Not in all cases > > > but in quite a > > > few). > > > > > > Re your question regarding their moving to Eaton Socon - > > > All of the children > > > of John and Jane/Jemima ELLIOTT were recorded as either > > > being born in > > > Bushmead or Duloe and both places are within walking > > > distance of Eaton Socon > > > and most of the Census papers mention Eaton Socon so it > > > would depend on the > > > document at the time and the person taking down the > > > information. Most of > > > the family look as if they could not write as they have a > > > 'X' on the witness > > > form of the wedding information. > > > > > > I do not know who put the information into IGI regarding > > > the Mary ELLIOTT > > > Christened in 1811 with parents William and Mary ELLET. It > > > may be that Mary > > > ELLET could be the sister of Jemima ELLIOTT as > > > 'Lydia' appears in both > > > families. Do you have access to the Christening > > > documentation - if so do > > > they have particulars regarding God Parents? > > > > > > Ann ELLIOTT who had four children after coming to Australia > > > in 1856 named > > > her children - Jemima, Lydia, Susanna and Hannah - after > > > Mother and sisters. > > > > > > I hope this helps > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM, john partridge < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > How do you know that Mary Elliott, who married John > > > Wrench, was daughter of > > > > John & Jemima ? > > > > > > > > Their 2nd child Lydia Ellet seems to have been > > > christened in Colmworth in > > > > 1832 while you say she's born 1817. > > > > > > > > & how/when did they get over to Eaton Socon area. > > > OK they were there in > > > > 1841 > > > > & there is a burial of Jemima Elliot in ES in 1856 > > > on at age 76 > > > > > > > > The Mary Elliot I have was born 1809/1810 & > > > christened at ES on 3/3/1811 to > > > > parents William & Mary Ellet > > > > > > > > Regards John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:38 AM > > > > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > > > I am so very sorry it has taken me so long to > > > reply. Thank you for this > > > > > information, which I didn't know. Two of > > > Mary and John Wrench's > > > > children, > > > > > Thomas born in 1838 and Jacob born in 1846 came > > > out to Australia. Thomas > > > > > married Mary CASE in Maryborough Qld in 1867. > > > Mary was the daughter of > > > > > Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN from > > > Axminster. Robert's > > > > > second > > > > > wife was Ann ELLIOTT from Bushmead and Mary > > > ELLIOTT's sister. Joseph > > > > > married Isabella DAVIDSON in 1873 also in > > > Maryborough. Isabella came > > > > from > > > > > Lanarkshire. > > > > > > > > > > If you have additional information on the family > > > I would be most > > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 AM, john partridge > > > < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hello Jan > > > > >> > > > > >> Mary Wrench baptised 19/05/1839 Gt Staughton > > > was 1st child of John > > > > Wrench > > > > >> & > > > > >> Mary Elliott; & she married Joseph > > > Partridge b 1838 Eaton Socon. > > > > >> > > > > >> Joseph Partridge was grandson to Jonathan > > > Partridge b 1789 Bletsoe, Beds > > > > >> & > > > > >> is the older brother to my gt-gt-grandfather > > > > >> > > > > >> John & Mary Wrench had 8 other children > > > between 1836 & 1850. > > > > >> > > > > >> If you want more info let me know > > > > >> > > > > >> Regards > > > > >> > > > > >> John Partridge > > > > >> Bedford > > > > >> > > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > >> From: "Janice Peasnell" > > > <[email protected]> > > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:40 AM > > > > >> Subject: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Hello Listers, > > > > >> > > > > > >> > I am researching the family of John and > > > Jane (Jemima) ELLIOTT who > > > > were > > > > >> > living in Duloe with their son David in > > > the 1841/1851 Census. Their > > > > >> > children were (1) Mary, born 1810 in > > > Bushmead married John WRENCH. > > > > (2) > > > > >> > Ann > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn abt 1818 Bushmead - Married > > > Robert CASE in 1853 and > > > > migrated > > > > >> to > > > > >> > Australia with him and his young family > > > in 1854. (3) Lydia ELLIOTT bn > > > > >> > 1817 > > > > >> > Bushmead married John CHEETHAM, they > > > lived for some time in Eaton > > > > Socon > > > > >> > until John died and Lydia moved to Derby > > > with daughter Ann. (4) David > > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn 1824 Bushmead married Hannah > > > PERKINS in 1849. (5) James > > > > >> > ELLIOTT > > > > >> > bn Eaton Socon who married Rebecca JAMES > > > in 1841. (6) Sarah ELLIOTT bn > > > > >> > Eaton > > > > >> > Socon married John RUFF in 1839. 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Shelby, I'm not convinced that Rachel has connections in Bedfordshire, but I can appreciate the difficulties you are having. The Pheasant surname appears in a number of other counties. I think the place to concentrate is the 1795 marriage in St Marylebone. Have you tried at LDS to see if they have the parish records on film? Another thought might be to see if any shipping records are available for their migration to USA. You might also look for the reason for their migration? Where there relatives there that might give some clues to origins. I'm not familiar with US death records. Is it possible some information could be gleaned from her death record or a tombstone inscription?. Peter in Sydney

Hello David, Thank you for replying, John will now find himself rather distracted for a while. I have recently retired and now have more time to spend researching my family in depth. I visited Eaton Socon in June this year and was lucky enough to find the very informative books published by ESCAN, several of them mentioned members of the Elliott and Case families. Up until then I only had information on Ann and Mary. My G/G/Grandmother was the Ann Elliott who married Robert Case and she was his housekeeper before they married. I do not know if she was married before they married there is certainly no evidence of it from this end. (We did know she had been his housekeeper). I think I will just leave the Mary Elliott - John Wrench from Great Staughton as is, except of the Christening information. They were certainly the parents of Thomas and Jacob Wrench that came to Australia and they were both the nephews of Ann Elliott/Case All of the information I have regarding Ann Elliott shows her coming from Bushmead. I realise that Bushmead is close to Colmworth but until very recently Colmworth hadn't been mentioned. No, I have no information on John and Jemima's children having been christened in bulk but Mary and John WRENCH's children were, Thomas, Mary Ann and William on 19/5/1839, George and Sophia on 6/8/1843, Eliza and Joel on 7/5/1854. It would seem that the parents of Ann and Mary could have (I hope so) been John Ellard and Jemima Gray. Are the parish records of Colmworth available? do they go back very far? Are these records being looked at by the ESCAN group, they are doing such a wonderful job in the Eaton Socon area. Thank you again for answering my request, Kind regards Jan Peasnell/Melbourne/Oz On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 2:44 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > I've been working with John on this Elliott family, but he's a bit > distracted at the moment having become a grandfather earlier today. > > We think that his Mary Elliott/Ellet is the one baptised on 3 March 1811 at > Eaton Socon, daughter of William and Mary. This is an IGI entry extracted > from the parish register so is reliable. Unfortunately an LDS member has > hijacked this baptism, changed the father to John, and married Mary off to > John Rench at Gt Staughton. I don't think there's much doubt that Mary, > daughter of John and Jemima, married John Rench, but she wasn't baptised on > 3 March 1811. > > Apart from Lydia's baptism at Colmworth in 1832 (extracted entry) the IGI > also has a member submission for the baptism of Ann Elliott, daughter of > John, at Colmworth on 23 March 1845, birth about 1818. The only Ann I can > see baptised on this date at Colmworth was Ann Herbert, but no parents were > mentioned, nor was there an age giving an implied birth of 1818. However I > see that an Ann Elliott, father John, married Joseph Herbert in 1839 at > Colmworth so the baptism may have been a post marriage, very late, one. Is > this the Ann who married Robert Case? Seems odd if so, as Robert appears to > have married an Ann Elliot, not Herbert, who was a servant in his household > in 1851. Mysterious, particularly as I can't find the Herberts in 1851! > > When you say the children were baptised in bulk are you referring to the > children of John and Jemima, as I can't find their baptisms at all (apart > from Lydia and possibly Ann as very late ones)? > > I believe that John and Jemima were the John Ellard and Jemima Gray married > at Eaton Socon on 15 Sept 1806, and that Jemima Gray was baptised at > Colmworth on 4 March 1787 at Colmworth, daughter of John and Lydia (probably > explaining where the name Lydia came from with the Elliotts/Cases). > > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below (or should > have been!); they were not rounded up. > > Baptism entries do not have details of godparents. Life would be much > easier if they did! > > David > > > --- En date de : Jeu 21.8.08, Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> a > écrit : > > > De: Janice Peasnell <[email protected]> > > Objet: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Jeudi 21 Août 2008, 1h59 > > Hello John, > > > > The information involving this family is complicated to say > > the least. The > > villages of Eaton Socon, Bushmead, Duloe and even St Neots > > gets thrown into > > the mix pretty regularly. > > > > I was contacted about 30 years ago by a member of the > > WRENCH family who had > > done a considerable amount of research on their family and > > they believed > > that Mary WRENCH and Ann CASE were sisters. > > > > I have found that both Mary and Ann ELLIOTT (my > > G/G.Grandmother) are > > recorded as being born in Bushmead - Mary's marrriage > > info on IGI and the > > 1881 Census, and Ann in the 1851 Census and her shipping > > records). In 1865 > > two sons of Mary and John WRENCH travelled to Maryborough > > in Queensland, > > they were Thomas and Jacob. Thomas married Mary CASE the > > daughter of Ann's > > husband Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN and was > > known to be the > > nephew of Ann from Eaton Socon. Ann's shipping records > > show her parents as > > John and Jemima ELLIOTT. > > > > In both the 1841 and 1851 Census John and Jane (Jemima) > > ELLIOTT are living > > with son David in Duloe/Eaton Socon. I have written off > > for the Death > > certificate of Jemima ELLIOTT to see if there are any clues > > there that will > > tie this Jemima with Jane as the wife of John. > > > > I have started looking at the Marriage Witnesses to all of > > the children who > > were born to John ELLIOTT in Duloe and have found that > > almost all have > > family members as witnesses. For example When Lydia > > ELLIOTT and John > > CHEETHAM were married Ann Elliott and David Elliott were > > the witness. When > > Ann married Robert CASE, Lydia and John CHEETHAM were > > witnesses. When David > > ELLIOTT married Hannah PERKINS, Lydia and John CHEETHAM > > were witnesses. > > > > Regarding the Christening information - some children were > > christened in > > Bulk so it is quite possible that the Lydia you are looking > > at was > > Christened several years after her birth. I go by the ages > > given over > > multiple Census periods as a guide and certainly not the > > 1841 Census which > > was rounded down or up to the nearest 5. (Not in all cases > > but in quite a > > few). > > > > Re your question regarding their moving to Eaton Socon - > > All of the children > > of John and Jane/Jemima ELLIOTT were recorded as either > > being born in > > Bushmead or Duloe and both places are within walking > > distance of Eaton Socon > > and most of the Census papers mention Eaton Socon so it > > would depend on the > > document at the time and the person taking down the > > information. Most of > > the family look as if they could not write as they have a > > 'X' on the witness > > form of the wedding information. > > > > I do not know who put the information into IGI regarding > > the Mary ELLIOTT > > Christened in 1811 with parents William and Mary ELLET. It > > may be that Mary > > ELLET could be the sister of Jemima ELLIOTT as > > 'Lydia' appears in both > > families. Do you have access to the Christening > > documentation - if so do > > they have particulars regarding God Parents? > > > > Ann ELLIOTT who had four children after coming to Australia > > in 1856 named > > her children - Jemima, Lydia, Susanna and Hannah - after > > Mother and sisters. > > > > I hope this helps > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 4:39 PM, john partridge < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > How do you know that Mary Elliott, who married John > > Wrench, was daughter of > > > John & Jemima ? > > > > > > Their 2nd child Lydia Ellet seems to have been > > christened in Colmworth in > > > 1832 while you say she's born 1817. > > > > > > & how/when did they get over to Eaton Socon area. > > OK they were there in > > > 1841 > > > & there is a burial of Jemima Elliot in ES in 1856 > > on at age 76 > > > > > > The Mary Elliot I have was born 1809/1810 & > > christened at ES on 3/3/1811 to > > > parents William & Mary Ellet > > > > > > Regards John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Janice Peasnell" > > <[email protected]> > > > To: <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 6:38 AM > > > Subject: Re: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > > > > > > > > Hello John, > > > > > > > > I am so very sorry it has taken me so long to > > reply. Thank you for this > > > > information, which I didn't know. Two of > > Mary and John Wrench's > > > children, > > > > Thomas born in 1838 and Jacob born in 1846 came > > out to Australia. Thomas > > > > married Mary CASE in Maryborough Qld in 1867. > > Mary was the daughter of > > > > Robert CASE and his first wife Mary WARREN from > > Axminster. Robert's > > > > second > > > > wife was Ann ELLIOTT from Bushmead and Mary > > ELLIOTT's sister. Joseph > > > > married Isabella DAVIDSON in 1873 also in > > Maryborough. Isabella came > > > from > > > > Lanarkshire. > > > > > > > > If you have additional information on the family > > I would be most > > > grateful. > > > > > > > > Thanks again > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > > > Jan Peasnell > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 4:10 AM, john partridge > > < > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hello Jan > > > >> > > > >> Mary Wrench baptised 19/05/1839 Gt Staughton > > was 1st child of John > > > Wrench > > > >> & > > > >> Mary Elliott; & she married Joseph > > Partridge b 1838 Eaton Socon. > > > >> > > > >> Joseph Partridge was grandson to Jonathan > > Partridge b 1789 Bletsoe, Beds > > > >> & > > > >> is the older brother to my gt-gt-grandfather > > > >> > > > >> John & Mary Wrench had 8 other children > > between 1836 & 1850. > > > >> > > > >> If you want more info let me know > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> > > > >> John Partridge > > > >> Bedford > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > > >> From: "Janice Peasnell" > > <[email protected]> > > > >> To: <[email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 10:40 AM > > > >> Subject: [BDF] Elliott Family - > > Bushmead/Duloe/Eaton Socon > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Hello Listers, > > > >> > > > > >> > I am researching the family of John and > > Jane (Jemima) ELLIOTT who > > > were > > > >> > living in Duloe with their son David in > > the 1841/1851 Census. Their > > > >> > children were (1) Mary, born 1810 in > > Bushmead married John WRENCH. > > > (2) > > > >> > Ann > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn abt 1818 Bushmead - Married > > Robert CASE in 1853 and > > > migrated > > > >> to > > > >> > Australia with him and his young family > > in 1854. (3) Lydia ELLIOTT bn > > > >> > 1817 > > > >> > Bushmead married John CHEETHAM, they > > lived for some time in Eaton > > > Socon > > > >> > until John died and Lydia moved to Derby > > with daughter Ann. (4) David > > > >> > ELLIOTT bn 1824 Bushmead married Hannah > > PERKINS in 1849. (5) James > > > >> > ELLIOTT > > > >> > bn Eaton Socon who married Rebecca JAMES > > in 1841. (6) Sarah ELLIOTT bn > > > >> > Eaton > > > >> > Socon married John RUFF in 1839. Hannah > > ELLIOTT bn Eaton Socon > > > married > > > >> > William CROW in 1841. > > > >> > > > > >> > I am particularly interested in > > identifying Jane/Jemima ELLIOTT who > > > was > > > >> > born > > > >> > in Colmworth in abt 1871. 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