Hi Jacqueline, Sorry couldn't see any marriages, only a possible son baptised 19 April 1655 names Richard, so presumable he married but perhaps in another parish the records don't have any banns that I can see as some other parishes do. If I've time later this week I'll look in surrounding parishes to see if I can throw any light on a marriage for you. Carol >Hi Carol, thank you so much for the information, I know you have helped me >in the past. I would think that its my Robert, thank you. Could I ask if >its not too cheeky if you have marriages as well, as I am also looking for >his marriage. >Thanks once again for your help >Best Wishes >Jacqueline > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol Rudram" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 3:28 PM >Subject: Re: [BDF] Parrill > > >> Hi Jacqueline, >> >> I've had a quick look through the baptisms at Marston Mortaine on the >> Parish records fiche I have and I think I mught have found Robert >> Perrill baptism. There's a baptism on 7th January 1620/21 of Robert son >> of Robert Perritt, no other Robert Peritts turn up but Robert Perrill >> the elder had at least 2 more children baptised in that era. John on >> 19th April 1618, and Richard on 6th March 1624/5. But if it's the elder >> Robert's baptism your looking for I could see any prior to 1618. >> >> Hope this hasn't confused the issue, but by the looks of the fiche the >> earlier pages of the parish records were in a poor state when transcribe >> - several years only have vague names and dates included. >> >> >> Carol Rudram ( researching Edwards & Webb in Bedfordshire) >> >Hi list, I am looking for the baptism of Robert Parrill / Parroll / >> >Parrell in Bedfordshire. I have his burial record in 1657 in Marstone >> >Mortaine, but I cannot find his baptism. I wondered if someone might be >> >able to check for me if they have the baptism cd. >> >Thank you for any help you might be able to give. >> >Kind regards >> >Jacqueline >> > >> > >> > >> >The List Guidelines >> > >> >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> > >> >The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> > >> >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html >> > >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Carol Rudram >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.1/1079 - Release Date: >19/10/2007 05:10 >> >> > > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >The Bedfordshire Surnames List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Carol Rudram

None that I know of. They raised their large family in Bedworth. Carole ......................................................................... ............................................................ On Sun, 21 Sep 2008 19:32:53 +0000 (GMT) David <[email protected]> writes: > Bedworth and Foleshill are in Warwickshire. Edwin was born in Camden, > London, or so he said in 1881. Eliza was born in Warwickshire. > > Is there any Bedfordshire connection? > > David > > ......................................................................... ....................................... > --- En date de : Dim 21.9.08, Dwight Mathews > <[email protected]> a écrit : > > > De: Dwight Mathews <[email protected]> > > Objet: [BDF] Edwin Henry Newman > > À: [email protected] > > Date: Dimanche 21 Septembre 2008, 21h08 > > Edwin Henry Newman (b. 1843) is my G-grandfather, and in > > Sept. 1865 he married Eliza Lawrence (b.cir. 1843). > > Their daughter Ada Ellen (b. 1882) is my grandmother. > > > > I am looking for Edwin's home address as recent as > > possible. > > In 1881 they lived on Mill Street, Peakes Yd., Bedworth. > > Where is this? > > His death date is unknown to me, but it is about 1918(?). > > His wife preceded him in death (d. unknown). > > > > They ran a grocery store in Foleshill for many years on > > Station Street West.which I believe is an Indian take-away > > and catering place now. > > They also were ribbon weavers in Bedworth, but I don't > > know the address of the factory. > > > > Any help with this family and their goings-on would be > > greatly appreciated. > > Carole Mathews > > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ Visit the Big Apple. Click here for information on vacation packages and tickets. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK3rpbLIIRPGyxjPgwhk2eI8mtzR931E2yXEM9xTUgkWXWN/

Hi list, I am looking for the baptism of Robert Parrill / Parroll / Parrell in Bedfordshire. I have his burial record in 1657 in Marstone Mortaine, but I cannot find his baptism. I wondered if someone might be able to check for me if they have the baptism cd. Thank you for any help you might be able to give. Kind regards Jacqueline

Hi Jacqueline, I've had a quick look through the baptisms at Marston Mortaine on the Parish records fiche I have and I think I mught have found Robert Perrill baptism. There's a baptism on 7th January 1620/21 of Robert son of Robert Perritt, no other Robert Peritts turn up but Robert Perrill the elder had at least 2 more children baptised in that era. John on 19th April 1618, and Richard on 6th March 1624/5. But if it's the elder Robert's baptism your looking for I could see any prior to 1618. Hope this hasn't confused the issue, but by the looks of the fiche the earlier pages of the parish records were in a poor state when transcribe - several years only have vague names and dates included. Carol Rudram ( researching Edwards & Webb in Bedfordshire) >Hi list, I am looking for the baptism of Robert Parrill / Parroll / >Parrell in Bedfordshire. I have his burial record in 1657 in Marstone >Mortaine, but I cannot find his baptism. I wondered if someone might be >able to check for me if they have the baptism cd. >Thank you for any help you might be able to give. >Kind regards >Jacqueline > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >The Bedfordshire Surnames List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Carol Rudram

Edwin Henry Newman (b. 1843) is my G-grandfather, and in Sept. 1865 he married Eliza Lawrence (b.cir. 1843). Their daughter Ada Ellen (b. 1882) is my grandmother. I am looking for Edwin's home address as recent as possible. In 1881 they lived on Mill Street, Peakes Yd., Bedworth. Where is this? His death date is unknown to me, but it is about 1918(?). His wife preceded him in death (d. unknown). They ran a grocery store in Foleshill for many years on Station Street West.which I believe is an Indian take-away and catering place now. They also were ribbon weavers in Bedworth, but I don't know the address of the factory. Any help with this family and their goings-on would be greatly appreciated. Carole Mathews ____________________________________________________________ Free Information On How We can Help With Your Patent. Click Here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oEoUGu1g6q99Cuz2idkMcNBz38RtRFhR7c2KBWMgOER6EjD/

Unfortunately Marston Moretaine parish register/bishops transcripts only start at 1602. As Robert baptised a child in Marston in 1618 there's every chance that his baptism predates 1602, so there won't be a record. David --- En date de : Dim 21.9.08, Jacqueline Davies <[email protected]> a écrit : > De: Jacqueline Davies <[email protected]> > Objet: [BDF] Parrill > À: [email protected] > Date: Dimanche 21 Septembre 2008, 17h42 > Hi list, I am looking for the baptism of Robert Parrill / > Parroll / Parrell in Bedfordshire. I have his burial record > in 1657 in Marstone Mortaine, but I cannot find his baptism. > I wondered if someone might be able to check for me if they > have the baptism cd. > Thank you for any help you might be able to give. > Kind regards > Jacqueline > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Know all Men, these Presents that We William Mace of Tempsford in the County of Bedford Butcher, John Brown of Tempsford aforesaid yeoman, Peter Addington of Roxton in the said County Yeoman, and Luke Addington of Wyboston in the Parish of Eaton Socon in the said County Yeoman are held and firmly bound to William Law and John Weston Churchwardens and George Walker John Lord and Charles Saymour Overseers of the Poor of the Parish of Eaton Socon in the said County in Forty Pounds of good and Lawful money of Great Britain to be paid to the said Churchwardens and Overseers or their certain Attorney Successors or Assigns for the true Payment whereof We bind ourselves our Heirs Executors and Administrators Jointly and Severally Firmly by these Presents Sealed with our Seals Dated this Thirteenth day of December in the Year of our Lord 1763. Whereas Elizabeth Whittimore of Eaton Socon aforesaid Singlewoman hath in a Voluntary Examination on both before Richard Audell Esqr one of his Majesties Justices of the Peace for the said County Declared herself to be with Child and that such Child is likely to be Born a Bastard and hath Charged the above bound William Mace with having begotten the same Now the Condition of the above Obligation is such that of the above bound William Mace, John Brown, Peter Addington and Luke Addington their Heirs Executors or Administrators do from time to time and at all times Hereafter fully and Clearly Acquit Exonerate and Discharge or otherwise well and Sufficiently save Harmless and Indemnified as well the said William Law, John Weston, George Walker, John Lord and Charles Saymour Churchwardens and Overseers aforesaid and their Successors for the time being and every of them as also all he Inhabitants and Parishioners of the said Parish of Eaton Socon aforesaid which now are or at any time hereafter shall be (for the time being) and every of them of and from all and all manner of Expences Damages Costs Charges and Incumbrances whatsoever which shall or may in any manner or at any time hereafter Arive come Grow or be Imposed upon them or any or either of them for or by reason or means of the Birth Maintenance Education or bringing up such Child or Children that the said Elizabeth now goeth with and shall be Delivered of and of and from all Actions Suits Charges Troubles Damages and Demands whatsoever touching or Concerning the same Then the above Obligation to be Void or Else to remain in full force. Sealed and Delivered (being first duly stampt) in the Presence of us Weiylt(?) Gery Jno Park Wm Mace John Brown Peter Addington

Jan, I realise that your original email was simply to find a current email address of a previous submitter, that it's not your family, and you have only just started to help a friend. But David is quite right. In order to try and help, he's had to go and research readily available information, that you should have been able to provide. However, don't get him wrong. He is one of the most helpful people on the list. I share his frustration with getting people to provide sufficient information. As for Richard Upton, it looks like he fits the 1799 christening at Ampthill. There doesn't seem to be a marriage or other children to parents John and Julia. Perhaps somebody could check Ampthill PR's. He is a clerk with East India Company. His first marriage seems to have been about 1823, as he has three children 15 and above by 1841 census. He has a 4th child and possible others who died with his first wife before her death between 1827-1836. He then marries Isabella Murray of Scotland in 1836. Unfortunately Pallots doesn't indicate where. They have three children before 1841 and three more before 1851. One also dies. You indicate Richard dies around 1855. Where you go from here depends on how much you want to do for your friend. There are hundreds of Upton records on Dunstable batches. Often you can get results by sorting them into families and eras. But it's a big job. I couldn't see any Upton's from Ampthill in submitted family trees at Rootsweb, but there may be data and family researchers on other sites. You could also try a few keyword searches at Google. If you're really keen, you might search for records of the East India Company. Good luck with assisting your friend. Peter in Sydney

Thank you Peter. Actually it is my family. The said Richard UPTON is my 3x great grandfather, but yes, I have just started to attempt to further family information given to me long ago. Certainly my plan is to search East India Co records when I can next make it to London, but in the mean time follow up some of the ideas/leads suggested by posters on this list, and search PRs. Many thanks for all your help, and everyone else who replied. Jan. > Jan, > > I realise that your original email was simply to find a current email > address of a previous submitter, that it's not your family, and you have > only just started to help a friend. > > But David is quite right. In order to try and help, he's had to go and > research readily available information, that you should have been able to > provide. > > However, don't get him wrong. He is one of the most helpful people on > the list. I share his frustration with getting people to provide sufficient > information. > > As for Richard Upton, it looks like he fits the 1799 christening at > Ampthill. There doesn't seem to be a marriage or other children to parents > John and Julia. Perhaps somebody could check Ampthill PR's. > > He is a clerk with East India Company. His first marriage seems to have > been about 1823, as he has three children 15 and above by 1841 census. He > has a 4th child and possible others who died with his first wife before her > death between 1827-1836. > > He then marries Isabella Murray of Scotland in 1836. Unfortunately > Pallots doesn't indicate where. They have three children before 1841 and > three more before 1851. One also dies. > > You indicate Richard dies around 1855. > > Where you go from here depends on how much you want to do for your > friend. There are hundreds of Upton records on Dunstable batches. Often you > can get results by sorting them into families and eras. But it's a big job. > > I couldn't see any Upton's from Ampthill in submitted family trees at > Rootsweb, but there may be data and family researchers on other sites. You > could also try a few keyword searches at Google. If you're really keen, you > might search for records of the East India Company. > > Good luck with assisting your friend. > > Peter in Sydney > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello David, I.m sorry if you feel your time has been wasted. I must admit I hadn't expected anyone to go to so much trouble to help me, and my original post was merely an enquiry to see if anyone had connections with this family. As soon as I was asked for more details, I posted them. In any case I greatly appreciate the help given to me; certainly not wasted time in my opinion, because although I already have much of the information you posted, there is also new information, and I am always glad of comments and advice from someone who is clearly a more experienced researcher than myself. So, thank you for your time and trouble, David, and once again my apologies if you still feel I have wasted your time. Best regards, Jan > I'm sure you have more information than you're divulging. Name of the 1836 > wife, children etc? A minimalist approach makes it more difficult for people > to help you. > > As hinted at by Peter, 1836 was probably a second marriage > > This might be Richard and family, but without the name of at least one child > I can't be certain: > > 1851 census > HO107/1505 page 19 > Orchard Cottage, Hackney > Richard Upton head marr 51? (or 56) Clerk East India House b Ampthill > Isabella Upton wife 48 b Edinburgh > Maria Upton dau unmarr 28 b Hackney Middx > Eliza Upton dau unm 25 b Hackney > Sarah Upton dau unm 23 b Hackney > Isabella J Upton dau unm 16 Scholar b Hackney > Richard Upton son 12 scholar b Hackney > Allen? Murray Upton son 10 scholar b Hackney > Julia Ann Upton dau 9 b Hackney > E Murray Upton son 7 b Hackney > Mary Smart unm 24 House servant b Kirkaldy > > 1841 > HO107/ > Park Rd, St John's Hackney > Richard Upton 40 Cant read occupation Not born in county > Isabella Upton 35 b Scotland > Maria Louise 15; John George 15; Eliza 15; Sarah Ann 13; Isabella Jane 5; > Richard 2 1/2; William James 1. All b Middlesex; Hannah Rushen 25 Female > servant Not b in county > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. > > So it looks as though Richard married first c1822, and was dead by 1861 when > Isabella was a widow. There's a death of a Richard Upton in Hackney in the > March quarter 1859 on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > > On Pallots Marriage Index there's a marriage at St James Duke Place in Apr > 1822 between Richard Upton and Louisa Harlow, which might be his first > marriage, given Maria's middle name (the marriage is also on the IGI) > > Richard's age in 1851 is the key. It's transcribed on Ancestry as 56, but I > think it may be 51. If it is 51 then the 1799 baptism on the IGI, parents > John and Julia, looks favourite, particularly as he named his 5th daughter > Julia. If you ordered his death certificate his age would be given. > > Virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI - but I can > see only the one child of John and Julia. However there are then 3 children > baptised in St Leonards Shoreditch to John and Julia, so they may have moved > to London when Richard was still very young. > > In 1841 there was a Julia Dawson age 65 born Ireland living with James & > Mary Dawson, both 45, in Islington. I can't see a marriage of John Upton and > Julia - perhaps it took place in Ireland - was he a soldier perhaps? > > Since typing the above I see you've posted a great deal more information, so > I've largely wasted my time this morning. I'll post it anyway > > David > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > > >> Jan, >> >> That's not a lot of information to go on. >> >> My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed >> birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is >> very >> late to be marrying. >> >> Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would be >> information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, >> but Middlesex it such a big place. >> >> When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various >> census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? >> Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's best >> to check them all. >> >> And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? >> >> I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede about >> 1830 and don't have census records. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedford.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thanks Bev. I think that is quite likely. I have only just started researching this line of the family and it is certainly not something I had ruled out. Thanks again, Jan > Peter wrote: > > > not a lot of information to go on. > >> My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed >> birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is >> very >> late to be marrying. >> > > I had a similar situation in Somerset with my 3G grandfather. He was born in > 1758 and married in 1804. After years of research I stumbled on an Index of > Strays, which led me to discovere he had married earlier a long way from his > home village and had spent 10 years at sea before returning to his home > village where he married my 3G grandmother, his first wife having died while > he was at sea. > > So consider an earlier marriage too. > > Bev > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Peter wrote: not a lot of information to go on. > > My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed > birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is > very > late to be marrying. I had a similar situation in Somerset with my 3G grandfather. He was born in 1758 and married in 1804. After years of research I stumbled on an Index of Strays, which led me to discovere he had married earlier a long way from his home village and had spent 10 years at sea before returning to his home village where he married my 3G grandmother, his first wife having died while he was at sea. So consider an earlier marriage too. Bev

Jan, That's not a lot of information to go on. My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is very late to be marrying. Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would be information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, but Middlesex it such a big place. When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's best to check them all. And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede about 1830 and don't have census records. Peter

Hello Eve & Dave, the James DUDLEY I was looking for I have had it confirmed that it is actually George James DUDLEY from a member of the family whom I did not know. Again many thanks. Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ

Hi Jan, I had a quick look at the Parish Record fiche I have of Ampthill, and there are numerous Uptons! But no Richard about 1794, there was one earlier about 1790. The records I have run from 1602 - 1812 and as I said there are alot of references to Upton (Apton as another spelling). If you would like me to send you a list of all I can find I'm willing to do so but I think I would need to send it to you snail mail ! as it would be rather a large file to send via e-mail. Also it might take me 2-3 weeks to send it to you. If you'd like me to do that send me a personal e-mail [email protected] and I will see what I can do for you. None of my ancestors appear to have married Uptons but were in Ampthill for a period in 17th -18th century. Carol ( Scottish Borders) >Hello Peter, > >Many thanks for your response. I will, as you advised, post details of >the family I am searching for... > >I am seeking further info on the UPTON family of Ampthill - Richard >UPTON born about 1794 and his parents whom I believe were John and Julia. >I know Richard had moved to Middlesex before 1836 when he married, but I >know nothing of his siblings, or parents origins. > >I would be very grateful to hear from anyone who can help with this family. > >Many thanks, > >Jan >(Glastonbury, Somerset) > >> Jan, >> >> My ancestors came from the same area, but the only Upton I have is the >> 1838 marriage of Sarah Upton to William Adams. And that's not much help, as >> it looks to be a second marriage for Sarah, so I'm not sure if Upton was >> here maiden name. >> >> I checked IGI, and while there were three Richard Upton born around the >> time, none was born exactly in 1794. There was also an earlier marriage in >> 1786 of a Richard and Sarah, but using a parent search I could find no >> children. >> >> I'd suggest you post some specific detail of what you know and see what >> the good people on the list can help with. They're a pretty clever lot. >> >> Peter in Sydney. >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > >The List Guidelines > >http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > >The Bedfordshire Surnames List > >http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Carol Rudram

The Pallots slip for the 1836 marriage to Isabella Murray describes Richard as "w" - widower David On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 9:08 AM, David <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm sure you have more information than you're divulging. Name of the 1836 > wife, children etc? A minimalist approach makes it more difficult for people > to help you. > > As hinted at by Peter, 1836 was probably a second marriage > > This might be Richard and family, but without the name of at least one > child I can't be certain: > > 1851 census > HO107/1505 page 19 > Orchard Cottage, Hackney > Richard Upton head marr 51? (or 56) Clerk East India House b Ampthill > Isabella Upton wife 48 b Edinburgh > Maria Upton dau unmarr 28 b Hackney Middx > Eliza Upton dau unm 25 b Hackney > Sarah Upton dau unm 23 b Hackney > Isabella J Upton dau unm 16 Scholar b Hackney > Richard Upton son 12 scholar b Hackney > Allen? Murray Upton son 10 scholar b Hackney > Julia Ann Upton dau 9 b Hackney > E Murray Upton son 7 b Hackney > Mary Smart unm 24 House servant b Kirkaldy > > 1841 > HO107/ > Park Rd, St John's Hackney > Richard Upton 40 Cant read occupation Not born in county > Isabella Upton 35 b Scotland > Maria Louise 15; John George 15; Eliza 15; Sarah Ann 13; Isabella Jane 5; > Richard 2 1/2; William James 1. All b Middlesex; Hannah Rushen 25 Female > servant Not b in county > Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. > > So it looks as though Richard married first c1822, and was dead by 1861 > when Isabella was a widow. There's a death of a Richard Upton in Hackney in > the March quarter 1859 on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > > On Pallots Marriage Index there's a marriage at St James Duke Place in Apr > 1822 between Richard Upton and Louisa Harlow, which might be his first > marriage, given Maria's middle name (the marriage is also on the IGI) > > Richard's age in 1851 is the key. It's transcribed on Ancestry as 56, but I > think it may be 51. If it is 51 then the 1799 baptism on the IGI, parents > John and Julia, looks favourite, particularly as he named his 5th daughter > Julia. If you ordered his death certificate his age would be given. > > Virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI - but I can > see only the one child of John and Julia. However there are then 3 children > baptised in St Leonards Shoreditch to John and Julia, so they may have moved > to London when Richard was still very young. > > In 1841 there was a Julia Dawson age 65 born Ireland living with James & > Mary Dawson, both 45, in Islington. I can't see a marriage of John Upton and > Julia - perhaps it took place in Ireland - was he a soldier perhaps? > > Since typing the above I see you've posted a great deal more information, > so I've largely wasted my time this morning. I'll post it anyway > > David > > > > On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Jan, >> >> That's not a lot of information to go on. >> >> My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed >> birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is >> very >> late to be marrying. >> >> Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would >> be >> information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, >> but Middlesex it such a big place. >> >> When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various >> census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? >> Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's >> best >> to check them all. >> >> And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? >> >> I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede >> about >> 1830 and don't have census records. >> >> Peter >> >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedford.html> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I'm sure you have more information than you're divulging. Name of the 1836 wife, children etc? A minimalist approach makes it more difficult for people to help you. As hinted at by Peter, 1836 was probably a second marriage This might be Richard and family, but without the name of at least one child I can't be certain: 1851 census HO107/1505 page 19 Orchard Cottage, Hackney Richard Upton head marr 51? (or 56) Clerk East India House b Ampthill Isabella Upton wife 48 b Edinburgh Maria Upton dau unmarr 28 b Hackney Middx Eliza Upton dau unm 25 b Hackney Sarah Upton dau unm 23 b Hackney Isabella J Upton dau unm 16 Scholar b Hackney Richard Upton son 12 scholar b Hackney Allen? Murray Upton son 10 scholar b Hackney Julia Ann Upton dau 9 b Hackney E Murray Upton son 7 b Hackney Mary Smart unm 24 House servant b Kirkaldy 1841 HO107/ Park Rd, St John's Hackney Richard Upton 40 Cant read occupation Not born in county Isabella Upton 35 b Scotland Maria Louise 15; John George 15; Eliza 15; Sarah Ann 13; Isabella Jane 5; Richard 2 1/2; William James 1. All b Middlesex; Hannah Rushen 25 Female servant Not b in county Ages over 15 in 1841 were rounded down to the nearest 5 below. So it looks as though Richard married first c1822, and was dead by 1861 when Isabella was a widow. There's a death of a Richard Upton in Hackney in the March quarter 1859 on http://freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl On Pallots Marriage Index there's a marriage at St James Duke Place in Apr 1822 between Richard Upton and Louisa Harlow, which might be his first marriage, given Maria's middle name (the marriage is also on the IGI) Richard's age in 1851 is the key. It's transcribed on Ancestry as 56, but I think it may be 51. If it is 51 then the 1799 baptism on the IGI, parents John and Julia, looks favourite, particularly as he named his 5th daughter Julia. If you ordered his death certificate his age would be given. Virtually all of Beds pre 1812 has been extracted onto the IGI - but I can see only the one child of John and Julia. However there are then 3 children baptised in St Leonards Shoreditch to John and Julia, so they may have moved to London when Richard was still very young. In 1841 there was a Julia Dawson age 65 born Ireland living with James & Mary Dawson, both 45, in Islington. I can't see a marriage of John Upton and Julia - perhaps it took place in Ireland - was he a soldier perhaps? Since typing the above I see you've posted a great deal more information, so I've largely wasted my time this morning. I'll post it anyway David On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 6:51 AM, Peter Booth <[email protected]>wrote: > Jan, > > That's not a lot of information to go on. > > My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed > birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is > very > late to be marrying. > > Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would be > information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, > but Middlesex it such a big place. > > When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various > census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? > Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's best > to check them all. > > And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? > > I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede about > 1830 and don't have census records. > > Peter > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html<http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7Ehughw/bedford.html> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, Pallots shows his marriage to Isobella MURRAY in Hornsey, Middlesex, 1836 (Pallots). I did only say /about/ 1794. I actually have his baptism in 1799 (only IGI though) so he couldhave been born a few years later, and that would tie in with 1851 census [HO107/1505/612/19] where he is given as being 51 (although could be 57) In1841 [HO107/698/2/8/8] his age is given as 40, which is closer to his baptismal date as birthdate. I believe he died in 1855 but have no place of death. This is just info passed to me by another researching relative. His occupation was a clerk in the East India Co. I don't know what his father did as I have been unable to find him yet. I appreciate anything you are able to come up with, and am grateful for your help, Peter. Many thanks, Jan. > Jan, > > That's not a lot of information to go on. > > My immediate reaction is "Do you have the right Richard Upton?" Assumed > birth in 1794 and married in 1836. That would make his age 42, which is very > late to be marrying. > > Do you have a date and location for the marriage? Perhaps there would be > information about his age, birthplace and parents in the Parish Registers, > but Middlesex it such a big place. > > When and where did he die? Have you tracked him through the various > census records up to that time? Are his age and birthplace consistent? > Sometimes we look at just one census and assume data is accurate. It's best > to check them all. > > And what about his occupation? Does he follow his father? > > I'll try, but not much to work with. It gets hard once you precede about > 1830 and don't have census records. > > Peter > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello Peter, Many thanks for your response. I will, as you advised, post details of the family I am searching for... I am seeking further info on the UPTON family of Ampthill - Richard UPTON born about 1794 and his parents whom I believe were John and Julia. I know Richard had moved to Middlesex before 1836 when he married, but I know nothing of his siblings, or parents origins. I would be very grateful to hear from anyone who can help with this family. Many thanks, Jan (Glastonbury, Somerset) > Jan, > > My ancestors came from the same area, but the only Upton I have is the > 1838 marriage of Sarah Upton to William Adams. And that's not much help, as > it looks to be a second marriage for Sarah, so I'm not sure if Upton was > here maiden name. > > I checked IGI, and while there were three Richard Upton born around the > time, none was born exactly in 1794. There was also an earlier marriage in > 1786 of a Richard and Sarah, but using a parent search I could find no > children. > > I'd suggest you post some specific detail of what you know and see what > the good people on the list can help with. They're a pretty clever lot. > > Peter in Sydney. > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedford.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On 14 Sep 2008 at 10:16, Betty Lark wrote: > Hello Listers, James DUDLEY m.31 Aug. 1877 Lidlington, Bdf. Elizabeth > Mary Ann BOWLER. >From the 1881/1901 Census it says James DUDLEY was > born Marston, Bdf. (abt.1853) this couple had 8 children Joseph 1878, > Annie 1880, James 1883, William 1888, Walter 1890, Gertrude 1891, > Charles 1895, Salome 1897. > > Please can anyone advise where James DUDLEY was baptised as he does > not appear in Marston. Remember baptism in church (or otherwise) was not compulsory and (from the Religious census of 1851) only about a third or so of the population actually attended any place of worship. In Beds, Methodism was strong, so was Baptist membership, in some places a lot stronger than the Church of England.