Thank you for the information I hit the send button too early lol. Thanks again Nicci On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Nicci, > > If you know she was unmarried in 1861 and 1871, why would you have us > look at an 1854 marriage to John Humbley? > > Sarah's parents look to be John Armstrong & Elizabeth Mayes. They > married 1828 at Eaton Socon and had Mary 1828, Susan 1830, Elizabeth 1835 > and twins Sarah & Fanny 1838 > > John Armstrong looks to be the son of William Armstrong & Mary born 1795 > at Cople. There's two possibilities for Elizabeth Mayes one 1793 at Cople > and another 1796 at Ravensden. > > John Armstrong dies before 1851. Elizabeth dies after 1871. > > Sarah looks to have been unmarried but had three children, Fanny 1858, > Isabella 1861 and John 1864. Isabella looks to have died young, but > although > she appears in 1861 census, I can't see a birth or death registration. > > I presume you know all about Fanny who was your 2XG grandmother. > > I can't find Sarah in 1881 census, but equally I can't find a marriage > or death around Bedfordshire. > > Son John Armstrong appears in 1881 census in Yorkshire. He is living > with Sarah' sister Elizabeth b1835 who has married Sam Wilson. > > I'd suggest you look for PR's of 1835 marriage to see if both were "of > this parish". You might also check A2A or Eaton Socon records for bastardy > bonds or the like. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just wanted to make sure I was on the right track and to also see if any one else was researching that line. On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:26 AM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Nicci, > > If you know she was unmarried in 1861 and 1871, why would you have us > look at an 1854 marriage to John Humbley? > > Sarah's parents look to be John Armstrong & Elizabeth Mayes. They > married 1828 at Eaton Socon and had Mary 1828, Susan 1830, Elizabeth 1835 > and twins Sarah & Fanny 1838 > > John Armstrong looks to be the son of William Armstrong & Mary born 1795 > at Cople. There's two possibilities for Elizabeth Mayes one 1793 at Cople > and another 1796 at Ravensden. > > John Armstrong dies before 1851. Elizabeth dies after 1871. > > Sarah looks to have been unmarried but had three children, Fanny 1858, > Isabella 1861 and John 1864. Isabella looks to have died young, but > although > she appears in 1861 census, I can't see a birth or death registration. > > I presume you know all about Fanny who was your 2XG grandmother. > > I can't find Sarah in 1881 census, but equally I can't find a marriage > or death around Bedfordshire. > > Son John Armstrong appears in 1881 census in Yorkshire. He is living > with Sarah' sister Elizabeth b1835 who has married Sam Wilson. > > I'd suggest you look for PR's of 1835 marriage to see if both were "of > this parish". You might also check A2A or Eaton Socon records for bastardy > bonds or the like. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Peter, I can claim she is my 3rd Great Grandmother because of the census records My 2nd Great Grandmother Fanny E Armstrong Married William Payne in the 1861 census Fanny is living with her Mother Sarah Armstrong in Eaton Socon. Sarah then is traced in the 1841 Census with her parents John Armstrong and Elizabeth. I have a feeling that she never married and used her maiden name for both her children. Just wanted to see who was researching this line and if they had the same thought. On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Peter Booth <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Nicci, > > I'm not sure how you can claim her as your 3rd GGrandmother if you're > not sure of her married name. Surely you have to have names and dates for > descendants. > > Anyway, I think the answer lies in census records. > > 1841 and 1851, should find Sarah with her parents. 1851 should give her > birthplace. You can compare this with 1861, 1871 and 1881 which should find > her with husband and children. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Listers, I am looking to see if anyone is researching the Sibley line. My 7th GGrandfather Robert b 1721 married an Ann/e had a daughter Sarah b 1746 in Eaton Socon. I have found 2 possible marriages one to Anne Gregory 12 Oct 1245 in Little Staughton and Ann Kippest 16 May 1745 in Wilden. Is anyone researching this line? and does anyone know which is the right Anne? Thank you Nicci

Hi Listers, I was wondering if any one is researching the Armstrong line in Eaton Socon. My 3rd GGrandmother Sarah was born about 1838 parents John and Elizabeth Unknown last name she had 2 children from what I know of Fanny Elizabeth and John. I am looking to find her marriage I did find a possible marriage for her St Neots Sept 1854 to John Humbley 3b 423 name sarah francis. But was wondering if anyone could confirm that this is the right Sarah. Thank you in advance Nicci

Can anyone help with this William Sharp(e)? I can't find a birth c1815 or a marriage c1840. Census shows his birthplace as Luton. William & Martha have children Francis 1840, Edwin 1842, Alfred 1844, Flora 1857 and Clara 1858. All are registered at Luton. He is a grainer & decorator in 1851 & 1861. Peter

Martha and Francis can be found in Luton in 1841. William is not with them. Ancestry have them indexed as Shark. HO107/4/24 f18 p31 Steven ----- Original Message ----- > > I take it that you've been unable to find the family in 1841 - for that > may > throw a little additional light. [I see they were in Lambeth in 1851- and > in > Bedford itself in 1861 - so they evidently moved about a bit.]

Hello Peter, "In theory", if he married after 1 July 1837, then he should be in the GRO Marriages Index - but clearly he's not been found. There are several possibles here... 1) the GROIndexes are known to be well-less-than complete; 2) there are pages 'missing' from the indexes [but perhaps unlikely to break a volume at 'Sh', although it happens with TYSOEs!]; 3) his name could've been mistranscribed in either the GRO Index or FreeBMD/other modern transcripts; 4) they married "abroad" - anywhere other than England or Wales; 5) they never married at all - or waited many years.... OTOH it might be worthwhile searching on Martha - although you'd need to buy at least one birth cert [probably the best being Francis William, 1840 DecQ, Luton, 6 95] to find her maiden name. I take it that you've been unable to find the family in 1841 - for that may throw a little additional light. [I see they were in Lambeth in 1851- and in Bedford itself in 1861 - so they evidently moved about a bit.] As for his birth/baptism he merely states "Bedfordshire" in 1851 and "Luton" in 1861 (and, in passing, Flora & Clara were then shown as born Bedford), although he ages consistently from 35 to 45 in the intervening period. If all true, then he'd've been born 1815/16 - and "somewhere" in Bedfordshire. Although I regularly vary my birthplace/residence depending on where I am when asked [if in Worcestershire - Droitwich; elsewhere in England - Worcester; 'anywhere abroad' - Birmingham] because all the questioner really *needs* is a general idea. This method saves the additional exchange of "Where's THAT?" / "Near Worcester [or Birmingham]" - a place the questioner has heard of :-) Luton's a good 20 miles from Bedford - and if he was born in some small hamlet/village within 4 or 5 miles of Luton, he could be forgiven for rounding-off. And there's always the possibility that his parents were non-conformists of some sort, and that their chapel didn't turn its registers in to the PRO when required to in [about] 1850... HTH Gus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2009 8:34 AM Subject: [BDF] WILLIAM SHARP(E) c1815 Luton married MARTHA c1839 > Can anyone help with this William Sharp(e)? > I can't find a birth c1815 or a marriage c1840. Census shows his > birthplace > as Luton. > > William & Martha have children Francis 1840, Edwin 1842, Alfred 1844, > Flora 1857 and Clara 1858. All are registered at Luton. He is a grainer & > decorator in 1851 & 1861. > > Peter > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betty I've read the other replies. Searching the 1891 Census looking for a Caroline, born 1858 in Aspley Guise, showed 3 possible husbands; William Jenkins Frederick Plumb William Cooper I had no luck searching for their marriages in 1887 Jun Q on freeBMD. But if you check FreeBMD home page for this sentence A breakdown by event and year can be viewed here and follow through to check the coverage, you'll find that about 50% is still to be done for that quarter. Good luck Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Lark" <larknelson@ts.co.nz> To: "Bedford List" <BEDFORD-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 22, 2009 12:48 PM Subject: [BDF] Marriages of Aspley Guise, Bdf. > Please can someone help. > > Edward READ 1810-1888 Occ. Blacksmith m. 27 Dec. 1849 Aspley Guise, Bdf. > Lydia HOPKINS Question please can someone check if Edward READ was a > Widower at this marriage? > > Also there daughter Caroline READ m.June Q.1887 but on FreeBMD there is no > corresponding name for the Groom. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > Regards Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ

Thank you so much to the people who have helped me confirm the READ marriages and all the extra pieces that you have gone to the trouble to send as well, it is very much appreciated. Regards Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ

Hi I am always curious as to WHY one might say that people didn't travel around England at a particular time? Folk were crossing to Europe, emigrating to the States and other colonies, trading & fighting battles so why should we assume they didn't pop across a few Counties?. In 1803 Bedfordshire men were sent away to training camps for military purposes and sometimes wives & families followed. The same thing happened in other Counties because of threats from France. There are several books and online sites which give historical timelines and you need to take into account social and economic circumstances. One example might be the importation of Scottish stonemasons to assist Ireland with rebuilding after a natural disaster in the late 1700s. Depending on their occupation people moved with their employers to or from Country estates as servants etc. Again, depending on their status they moved for education, employment or because of some particular family circumstance. I was misled very early in my research by someone who advised me that folk very rarely moved further than 5 miles from their home village! It took me sometime to realise this was far from accurate! My families certainly travelled <1803> and not a Gypsy among them! Marlene ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > Hello Mary > > There are quite a few Holt births at Holme on Spalding Moor which must be > connected to Elizabeth Holt. > > Its quite unusual for someone to travel that distance around 1800 unless > she > went to stay with a relative in Odell, so unfortunately the bigger mystery > remains unsolved at present > > I would think of her kindly as she was bringing up her Holt grandchildren > who otherwise would have been in the workhouse. > > The following deaths are recorded - (From NBI) > > William Holt, buried 15 Apr 1847 -age 35 - Odell All Saints > Sabina Isabella Holt, buried 18 May 1847 - age 30 - Odell All Saints > > Elizabeth Holt, buried 27 May 1853, age 14 - Harrold St Peter & All Saints > > Peter Jarman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Mary Bateman > Sent: 21 November 2009 15:07 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > Peter, > > Thank you for the information of the Holt family. I think I had decided > that William was an probably illegitimate, but I didn't have the birth > place > of his mother Elizabeth. I will have to try and find information from > Yorkshire now. > I cannot connect John Holt, son of Robert and Ann Holt yet. > Many thanks, > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of John Partridge > Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > ....or even Yorkshire... > > William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah > > On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, > with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus > 3 > > Holt grandchildren. > > cheers John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > >> Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. >> >> She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. >> >> Peter Jarman >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of John Partridge >> Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of >> Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. >> >> The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of >> John >> Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt >> >> So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from >> Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. >> >> Regards >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> >>> Mary, >>> >>> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >>> you're >>> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >>> >>> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >>> www.familysearch.org >>> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >>> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >>> >>> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >>> access at a local FHS centre or else try >>> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >>> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >>> >>> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody >>> else >>> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >>> Rootsweb >>> and Genforum. >>> >>> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of >>> Elizabeth >>> Holt. That record is on IGI. >>> >>> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother >>> with >>> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is >>> a >>> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long >>> after >>> William's 1811 birth. >>> >>> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth >>> Holt >>> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >>> the >>> opposite direction for Odell. That's going to be difficult. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: >> 11/18/09 >> 07:50:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.66/2504 - Release Date: >> 11/15/09 >> 07:50:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 > 07:50:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.74/2515 - Release Date: 11/20/09 > 08:02:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.75/2516 - Release Date: 11/20/09 > 19:43:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please can someone help. Edward READ 1810-1888 Occ. Blacksmith m. 27 Dec. 1849 Aspley Guise, Bdf. Lydia HOPKINS Question please can someone check if Edward READ was a Widower at this marriage? Also there daughter Caroline READ m.June Q.1887 but on FreeBMD there is no corresponding name for the Groom. Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ

The more adventurous of my ag lab ancestors in Beds c1800 sometimes moved as far as the next village. David On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Marlene Shipman <marlene.s@xtra.co.nz>wrote: > Hi > I am always curious as to WHY one might say that people didn't travel > around > England at a particular time? > Folk were crossing to Europe, emigrating to the States and other colonies, > trading & fighting battles so why should we assume they didn't pop across a > few Counties?. > In 1803 Bedfordshire men were sent away to training camps for military > purposes and sometimes wives & families followed. The same thing happened > in other Counties because of threats from France. There are several books > and online sites which give historical timelines and you need to take into > account social and economic circumstances. One example might be the > importation of Scottish stonemasons to assist Ireland with rebuilding after > a natural disaster in the late 1700s. > Depending on their occupation people moved with their employers to or from > Country estates as servants etc. Again, depending on their status they > moved > for education, employment or because of some particular family > circumstance. > I was misled very early in my research by someone who advised me that folk > very rarely moved further than 5 miles from their home village! It took me > sometime to realise this was far from accurate! My families certainly > travelled <1803> and not a Gypsy among them! > Marlene > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:17 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > > > Hello Mary > > > > There are quite a few Holt births at Holme on Spalding Moor which must be > > connected to Elizabeth Holt. > > > > Its quite unusual for someone to travel that distance around 1800 unless > > she > > went to stay with a relative in Odell, so unfortunately the bigger > mystery > > remains unsolved at present > > > > I would think of her kindly as she was bringing up her Holt grandchildren > > who otherwise would have been in the workhouse. > > > > The following deaths are recorded - (From NBI) > > > > William Holt, buried 15 Apr 1847 -age 35 - Odell All Saints > > Sabina Isabella Holt, buried 18 May 1847 - age 30 - Odell All Saints > > > > Elizabeth Holt, buried 27 May 1853, age 14 - Harrold St Peter & All > Saints > > > > Peter Jarman > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On > > Behalf Of Mary Bateman > > Sent: 21 November 2009 15:07 > > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > > > Peter, > > > > Thank you for the information of the Holt family. I think I had decided > > that William was an probably illegitimate, but I didn't have the birth > > place > > of his mother Elizabeth. I will have to try and find information from > > Yorkshire now. > > I cannot connect John Holt, son of Robert and Ann Holt yet. > > Many thanks, > > Mary > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On > > Behalf Of John Partridge > > Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 > > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > > > ....or even Yorkshire... > > > > William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah > > > > On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born > Odell, > > with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, > plus > > 3 > > > > Holt grandchildren. > > > > cheers John > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> > > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM > > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > > > > >> Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at > Odell. > >> > >> She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. > >> > >> Peter Jarman > >> > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com > ] > >> On > >> Behalf Of John Partridge > >> Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 > >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > >> > >> Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of > >> Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. > >> > >> The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of > >> John > >> Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt > >> > >> So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from > >> Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. > >> > >> Regards > >> John > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM > >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > >> > >> > >>> Mary, > >>> > >>> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume > >>> you're > >>> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. > >>> > >>> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at > >>> www.familysearch.org > >>> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at > >>> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl > >>> > >>> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free > >>> access at a local FHS centre or else try > >>> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp > >>> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual > subscription. > >>> > >>> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody > >>> else > >>> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at > >>> Rootsweb > >>> and Genforum. > >>> > >>> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of > >>> Elizabeth > >>> Holt. That record is on IGI. > >>> > >>> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother > >>> with > >>> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is > >>> a > >>> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long > >>> after > >>> William's 1811 birth. > >>> > >>> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth > >>> Holt > >>> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem > in > >>> the > >>> opposite direction for Odell. 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IANAE, but travel seems to have been difficult, dangerous and expensive, with fewer and poorer quality roads and less reliable means of transport. We do know that some of the reasonably affluent did travel, and that people were prepared to walk far further than modern school kids, but with physically onerous work a necessity for many, there would have been relatively few with sufficient time and energy to wander very far without very good reason to do so. Skilled craftsmen moved quite extensively during the middle ages but the Reformation drastically affected such things as the building of new church properties. I think you may find that there was geographic mobility of skilled craft- and tradespeople, but far less for agricultural workers, and until the first world war, England was predominantly an agricultural society. News reports are usually of the unexpected, people doing unusual things, so reports of travel occur *because* travel is unusual. But my gt-grandmother took *two* long sea journeys to S. America in the nineteenth century! Three of her sons had emigrated to Buenos Aires. Joan. Marlene Shipman wrote: > Hi > I am always curious as to WHY one might say that people didn't travel around > England at a particular time? > Folk were crossing to Europe, emigrating to the States and other colonies, > trading & fighting battles so why should we assume they didn't pop across a > few Counties?. > In 1803 Bedfordshire men were sent away to training camps for military > purposes and sometimes wives & families followed. The same thing happened > in other Counties because of threats from France. There are several books > and online sites which give historical timelines and you need to take into > account social and economic circumstances. One example might be the > importation of Scottish stonemasons to assist Ireland with rebuilding after > a natural disaster in the late 1700s. > Depending on their occupation people moved with their employers to or from > Country estates as servants etc. Again, depending on their status they moved > for education, employment or because of some particular family circumstance. > I was misled very early in my research by someone who advised me that folk > very rarely moved further than 5 miles from their home village! It took me > sometime to realise this was far from accurate! My families certainly > travelled <1803> and not a Gypsy among them! > Marlene > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 12:17 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > > >> Hello Mary >> >> There are quite a few Holt births at Holme on Spalding Moor which must be >> connected to Elizabeth Holt. >> >> Its quite unusual for someone to travel that distance around 1800 unless >> she >> went to stay with a relative in Odell, so unfortunately the bigger mystery >> remains unsolved at present >> >> I would think of her kindly as she was bringing up her Holt grandchildren >> who otherwise would have been in the workhouse. >> >> The following deaths are recorded - (From NBI) >> >> William Holt, buried 15 Apr 1847 -age 35 - Odell All Saints >> Sabina Isabella Holt, buried 18 May 1847 - age 30 - Odell All Saints >> >> Elizabeth Holt, buried 27 May 1853, age 14 - Harrold St Peter & All Saints >> >> Peter Jarman >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Mary Bateman >> Sent: 21 November 2009 15:07 >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> Peter, >> >> Thank you for the information of the Holt family. I think I had decided >> that William was an probably illegitimate, but I didn't have the birth >> place >> of his mother Elizabeth. I will have to try and find information from >> Yorkshire now. >> I cannot connect John Holt, son of Robert and Ann Holt yet. >> Many thanks, >> Mary >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of John Partridge >> Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> ....or even Yorkshire... >> >> William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah >> >> On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, >> with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus >> 3 >> >> Holt grandchildren. >> >> cheers John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> >> >>> Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. >>> >>> She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. >>> >>> Peter Jarman >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of John Partridge >>> Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 >>> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >>> >>> Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of >>> Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. >>> >>> The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of >>> John >>> Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt >>> >>> So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from >>> Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. >>> >>> Regards >>> John >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >>> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM >>> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >>> >>> >>> >>>> Mary, >>>> >>>> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >>>> you're >>>> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >>>> >>>> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >>>> www.familysearch.org >>>> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >>>> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >>>> >>>> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >>>> access at a local FHS centre or else try >>>> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >>>> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >>>> >>>> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody >>>> else >>>> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >>>> Rootsweb >>>> and Genforum. >>>> >>>> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of >>>> Elizabeth >>>> Holt. That record is on IGI. >>>> >>>> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother >>>> with >>>> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is >>>> a >>>> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long >>>> after >>>> William's 1811 birth. >>>> >>>> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth >>>> Holt >>>> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >>>> the >>>> opposite direction for Odell. That's going to be difficult. >>>> >>>> Peter >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The List Guidelines >>>> >>>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>>> >>>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>>> >>>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> ---- >>> >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: >>> 11/18/09 >>> 07:50:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.66/2504 - Release Date: >>> 11/15/09 >>> 07:50:00 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 >> 07:50:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.74/2515 - Release Date: 11/20/09 >> 08:02:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.75/2516 - Release Date: 11/20/09 >> 19:43:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I've been looking at the page numbers for marriages in Ampthill 1887 on FreeBMD and something is wrong with the entry for Caroline Read as her page number 659 doesn't fit within the range of numbers. I then looked at the actual page on findmypast.com and it clearly says page 659. I'm guessing that an error occured when the books were typed up and the one way to verify is order the marriage cert from the GRO and have them do a search. Rachel Gujral On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Betty Lark <larknelson@ts.co.nz> wrote: > Please can someone help. > > Edward READ 1810-1888 Occ. Blacksmith m. 27 Dec. 1849 Aspley Guise, Bdf. > Lydia HOPKINS Question please can someone check if Edward READ was a > Widower at this marriage? > > Also there daughter Caroline READ m.June Q.1887 but on FreeBMD there is no > corresponding name for the Groom. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > Regards Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Mary There are quite a few Holt births at Holme on Spalding Moor which must be connected to Elizabeth Holt. Its quite unusual for someone to travel that distance around 1800 unless she went to stay with a relative in Odell, so unfortunately the bigger mystery remains unsolved at present I would think of her kindly as she was bringing up her Holt grandchildren who otherwise would have been in the workhouse. The following deaths are recorded - (From NBI) William Holt, buried 15 Apr 1847 -age 35 - Odell All Saints Sabina Isabella Holt, buried 18 May 1847 - age 30 - Odell All Saints Elizabeth Holt, buried 27 May 1853, age 14 - Harrold St Peter & All Saints Peter Jarman -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mary Bateman Sent: 21 November 2009 15:07 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 Peter, Thank you for the information of the Holt family. I think I had decided that William was an probably illegitimate, but I didn't have the birth place of his mother Elizabeth. I will have to try and find information from Yorkshire now. I cannot connect John Holt, son of Robert and Ann Holt yet. Many thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Partridge Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 ....or even Yorkshire... William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus 3 Holt grandchildren. cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. > > She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. > > Peter Jarman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of John Partridge > Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of > Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. > > The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of John > Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt > > So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from > Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. > > Regards > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > >> Mary, >> >> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >> you're >> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >> >> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >> www.familysearch.org >> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >> >> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >> access at a local FHS centre or else try >> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >> >> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody else >> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >> Rootsweb >> and Genforum. >> >> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth >> Holt. That record is on IGI. >> >> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother with >> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is a >> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long after >> William's 1811 birth. >> >> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth Holt >> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >> the >> opposite direction for Odell. 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Based on the following you could say with some confidence that Edward Read was a widower when he married Lydia Hopkins and she was either a widow or had an illegitimate child. According to Ancestry.com the 1841 Census for Aspley Guise, dist 5 page 2 there is an Edward Reed age 30 Blacksmith and in his household there is: Sarah age 35 Charlotte age 6 William age 3 Mary age 8 months The 1851 Census shows Edward Read with wife Lydia age 36, household includes: Charlotte age 18 daughter William age 12 son Mary age 10 daughter James age 7 son James Hopkins age 7 son in law Findmypast.com burials has a Sarah Read age 46 buried on 28 Dec 1847 in Aspley Guise On Sun, Nov 22, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Betty Lark <larknelson@ts.co.nz> wrote: > Please can someone help. > > Edward READ 1810-1888 Occ. Blacksmith m. 27 Dec. 1849 Aspley Guise, Bdf. > Lydia HOPKINS Question please can someone check if Edward READ was a > Widower at this marriage? > > Also there daughter Caroline READ m.June Q.1887 but on FreeBMD there is no > corresponding name for the Groom. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > Regards Betty Lark, Richmond, Nelson, NZ > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, Many thanks for the information about the Holt family. It is helpful to find that William was illegitimate [not really wanted though!]; I had wondered. At least I know where his mother was born and names of her parents. I must try in Yorkshire now. Many thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Partridge Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 ....or even Yorkshire... William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus 3 Holt grandchildren. cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. > > She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. > > Peter Jarman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of John Partridge > Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of > Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. > > The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of John > Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt > > So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from > Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. > > Regards > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > >> Mary, >> >> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >> you're >> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >> >> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >> www.familysearch.org >> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >> >> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >> access at a local FHS centre or else try >> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >> >> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody else >> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >> Rootsweb >> and Genforum. >> >> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth >> Holt. That record is on IGI. >> >> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother with >> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is a >> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long after >> William's 1811 birth. >> >> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth Holt >> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >> the >> opposite direction for Odell. 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Peter, Thank you for the information of the Holt family. I think I had decided that William was an probably illegitimate, but I didn't have the birth place of his mother Elizabeth. I will have to try and find information from Yorkshire now. I cannot connect John Holt, son of Robert and Ann Holt yet. Many thanks, Mary -----Original Message----- From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Partridge Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 To: bedford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 ....or even Yorkshire... William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus 3 Holt grandchildren. cheers John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. > > She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. > > Peter Jarman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of John Partridge > Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of > Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. > > The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of John > Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt > > So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from > Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. > > Regards > John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > >> Mary, >> >> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >> you're >> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >> >> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >> www.familysearch.org >> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >> >> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >> access at a local FHS centre or else try >> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >> >> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody else >> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >> Rootsweb >> and Genforum. >> >> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth >> Holt. That record is on IGI. >> >> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother with >> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is a >> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long after >> William's 1811 birth. >> >> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth Holt >> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >> the >> opposite direction for Odell. 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The Elizabeth, George & William Holt grandchildren on 1851 seem to be children of William Holt & Sabina (Swannell) So this confirms that the Elizabeth Holt who married William Savage in 1809 was the mother of the illrg. William It'd be good to check the William/Sabina 1838 marriage to see if his father is named. Anyway seems both William & Sabina Holt died June 1847 in Bedford according to FreeBMD John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > John & Mary > > Looks like it may be Elisabeth Holt, christened 13 June 1790, Holme on > Spalding Moor, East Riding on IGI batch no. C012083. Parents John Holt and > Elizabeth. > > Holme is about 15 miles south-east of York, near Market Weighton. > > That's enough detective work for today! > > Peter Jarman > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of John Partridge > Sent: 18 November 2009 22:35 > To: bedford@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > ....or even Yorkshire... > > William Savidge baptised 24 July 1791 at Odell soon of William & Sarah > > On 1851 census living ih Harrold Beds is William Savage age 58 born Odell, > with wife Elizabeth age 61 born Holme, Yorks, plus 3 Savage children, plus > 3 > > Holt grandchildren. > > cheers John > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Jarman" <p.jarman@ntlworld.com> > To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 > > >> Elizabeth Holt seems to have married William Savage 4 June 1819 at Odell. >> >> She might have strayed over the border from Northants or even Bucks. >> >> Peter Jarman >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:bedford-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of John Partridge >> Sent: 18 November 2009 19:33 >> To: bedford@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> Hello, From the Odell PR transcript William Hoult was iilleg son of >> Ekizabeth Hoult baptised 29 Dec 1811 born 31 Oct. >> >> The only other Holt in Odell up to 1813 was baptism on 19 Apr 1812 of >> John >> Holt son of Robert & Ann Holt >> >> So looks like mother Eliz did not originate from Odell, or even from >> Bedfordshire due to lack of any extracted baptism for her. >> >> Regards >> John >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Peter Booth" <pbo08596@bigpond.net.au> >> To: <bedford@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [BDF] HOLT Family - ODELL 1811-1880 >> >> >>> Mary, >>> >>> You seem to have done pretty well getting this far, so I presume >>> you're >>> looking for other researchers rather than specific help. >>> >>> About 95% of available Parish Records for Bedfordshire are on IGI at >>> www.familysearch.org >>> After 1837 you'll find compulsory BDM registrations at >>> http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl >>> >>> There is also a census every 10 years from 1841-1911. Try for free >>> access at a local FHS centre or else try >>> http://www.findmypast.com/home.jsp >>> where you can pay per view, rather than take out an annual subscription. >>> >>> I can't see any submitted trees for your Holt lines, but somebody >>> else >>> may find them in other locations. Try also Holt surname forums at >>> Rootsweb >>> and Genforum. >>> >>> It looks like William Holt b1811 was the illegitimate son of >>> Elizabeth >>> Holt. That record is on IGI. >>> >>> As he was married before 1841, you probably won't find his mother >>> with >>> him. She may also have later married. There are few marriages. There is >>> a >>> Elizabeth Holt marriage in Odell 8 yrs later, but it looks too long >>> after >>> William's 1811 birth. >>> >>> There seem only two christenings around the time for an Elizabeth >>> Holt >>> on IGI, one at Tottenhoe and the other at Leighton Buzzard. Both seem in >>> the >>> opposite direction for Odell. That's going to be difficult. >>> >>> Peter >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The List Guidelines >>> >>> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >>> >>> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >>> >>> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---- >> >> >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: >> 11/18/09 >> 07:50:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.66/2504 - Release Date: >> 11/15/09 >> 07:50:00 >> >> >> >> >> The List Guidelines >> >> http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ >> >> The Bedfordshire Surnames List >> >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.72/2511 - Release Date: 11/18/09 > 07:50:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.66/2504 - Release Date: 11/15/09 > 07:50:00 > > > > > The List Guidelines > > http://bedfordrootsweb.blogspot.com/ > > The Bedfordshire Surnames List > > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/bedf.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BEDFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. 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