I wonder if someone might set Riobard’s latest missive to music. Two pieces come to mind:  Richie Kavanagh doing his Focal Leabhair  The Catalogue Aria ("Madamina, il catalogo è questo) from the Don Giovanni, by Wolfie Mozart I suppose the missive is technically a leabhar na n-ainmneacha, or a liosta ainmneacha. But in some sense, this is a dictionary, and So, I can see someone singing, Get out your Focal Leabhair And ye’ll know the names with in a half-an-hour http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387LTgiadjw As to Mozart, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeC5N1fVJ8 Riobard, please know that I am most grateful of all of these explanations about customs of the Beara. They make perfect sense. When I was growing up, my Dad had a number of friends named Mike Harrington. Needless to say, twas confusing, with Mike Harrington, Mike T. Harringtom; and Mike TT Harrington. Lest anyone think, we are the only ones who have these issues, my wife loves to tell the stories involving her cousin Sam McLoughlin. Same had the misfortune to be named James in a family where he would be James IV while having a cousin with the same name. Here in New York, we have so many people of Italian descent with the name of di Napoli, a name that means ‘from Naples.’ I am quite sure that these people developed a similar sorting out process. Finally, the Spanish and the Latin Americans are perhaps most logical with the use of mom’s maiden name. Thus, I would be Terrance Dwyer y Sullivan; Riobard would be Riobard Dwyer y Quille. Comparatively gender neutral, but not as much fun when you have the Focal Leabhair For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian names, I will give you the following: For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were often known in Beara in the olden days. * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, and his eldest son is Robert).*. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 89 Today's Topics: 1. More names (Riobard O' Dwyer) 2. Re: More names (geraldine whittington) 3. Re: More names (Susan Twomey) 4. Re: branch names vs place names (Teresa Barnes) 5. Re: branch names vs place names (Judith Casey) 6. Re: branch names vs place names (Sheila Legge) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:49:20 +0000 From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> Subject: [BEARA] More names To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian names, I will give you the following: For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were often known in Beara in the olden days. * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, and his eldest son is Robert).*. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:54:09 -0400 From: geraldine whittington <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] More names To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Wondering if the name 'Percy' is a nickname for some longer Christian name? > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:49:20 +0000 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BEARA] More names > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of > Denis > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like > Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest > son is Robert).*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:55:53 -0700 From: Susan Twomey <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] More names To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Riobard, This is very helpful! Thanks so much! Susan On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of > Denis > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like > Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest > son is Robert).*. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message Susan Twomey 319 Howard Heights Rd Eureka, CA 95503 tel 707-444-2522 ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:09:51 -0700 From: "Teresa Barnes" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Teresa, Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other relations, thought it might be worth a shot. Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? Best Wishes Terry -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc etc. Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way to keep them all separate. Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local cousins. They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither side seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this family. Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. ----- Riobard. On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan families > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God be > with youSeamus > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > To: [email protected] > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" The > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close to > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > ----- Riobard. > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is very > > puzzling: > > see page 1145 volume II > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley farm > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of Denny > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > Timothy > > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:23:05 +0000 From: Judith Casey <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed My famliy links are with the Sullivan (Keagh) On 25/03/2013 17:09, Teresa Barnes wrote: > Teresa, > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > Best Wishes > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations > as > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc > etc. > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way > to keep them all separate. > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled > in > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > cousins. > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither > side > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for > this > family. > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and > cheese. > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, > let > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > ----- Riobard. > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How >> important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > families >> branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their >> name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God > be >> with youSeamus >> >> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM >> >> In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The >> answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara >> came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close >> to >> Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of >> Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name >> originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. >> ----- Riobard. >> >> On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >>> >>> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very >>> puzzling: >> > see page 1145 volume II >>> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) >> > >>> (BALLYCROVANE) >>> >>> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy >>> Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > farm >>> when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. >>> Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of > Denny >>> (the Weaver) McCarthy. >>> >>> >> > >>> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of >> Timothy >>> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? >>> >>> >> > >>> >>> GRMMA, >>> >> > >>> Terrance O?Dwyer >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:36:43 -0000 From: "Sheila Legge" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original HI Teresa My Sullivan branch name is (Ukirre), my Harrington branch names are (Caupy),& Harrington (Causkey) all from Bere Island, Castletownbere and around. Sheila -------------------------------------------------- From: "Teresa Barnes" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:09 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > Teresa, > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > Best Wishes > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations > as > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc > etc. > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way > to keep them all separate. > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled > in > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > cousins. > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither > side > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for > this > family. > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and > cheese. > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, > let > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > ----- Riobard. > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How >> important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > families >> branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their >> name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God > be >> with youSeamus >> >> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM >> >> In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The >> answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara >> came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close >> to >> Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of >> Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name >> originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. >> ----- Riobard. >> >> On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > >> > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very >> > puzzling: >> > see page 1145 volume II >> > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) >> > >> > (BALLYCROVANE) >> > >> > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy >> > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > farm >> > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. >> > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of > Denny >> > (the Weaver) McCarthy. >> > >> > >> > >> > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of >> Timothy >> > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > GRMMA, >> > >> > >> > >> > Terrance O?Dwyer >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> > in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> -- >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Hi Terrance, I didn't have time to get as far as the Mozart one yet, but the song Focal Leabhair is priceless. As they say in Ireland: "Fair play to you". I must admit that you are in the dollar bracket, while I'm only in the cent bracket. ------ Riobard O'Dwyer y Quille. On 26 March 2013 03:18, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > I wonder if someone might set Riobard’s latest missive to music. Two pieces > come to mind: >  Richie Kavanagh doing his Focal Leabhair >  The Catalogue Aria ("Madamina, il catalogo è questo) from the Don > Giovanni, by Wolfie Mozart > > I suppose the missive is technically a leabhar na n-ainmneacha, or a liosta > ainmneacha. > > But in some sense, this is a dictionary, and So, I can see someone singing, > > Get out your Focal Leabhair > And ye’ll know the names with in a half-an-hour > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387LTgiadjw > > As to Mozart, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOeC5N1fVJ8 > > Riobard, please know that I am most grateful of all of these explanations > about customs of the Beara. They make perfect sense. When I was growing up, > my Dad had a number of friends named Mike Harrington. Needless to say, twas > confusing, with Mike Harrington, Mike T. Harringtom; and Mike TT > Harrington. > > Lest anyone think, we are the only ones who have these issues, my wife > loves > to tell the stories involving her cousin Sam McLoughlin. Same had the > misfortune to be named James in a family where he would be James IV while > having a cousin with the same name. > > Here in New York, we have so many people of Italian descent with the name > of > di Napoli, a name that means ‘from Naples.’ I am quite sure that these > people developed a similar sorting out process. Finally, the Spanish and > the > Latin Americans are perhaps most logical with the use of mom’s maiden name. > Thus, I would be Terrance Dwyer y Sullivan; Riobard would be Riobard Dwyer > y > Quille. Comparatively gender neutral, but not as much fun when you have > the > Focal Leabhair > > > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > > > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have > Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); > Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son of Timothy; > Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; > Rodgie Roger = Roger the son of Roger; > Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; > Mike John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; > Quin Mag Jack = Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus > Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. > > With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. > > With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. > > With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. > > With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis > the son of Michael. > > With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. > And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest son is Robert).*. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 12:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 89 > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. More names (Riobard O' Dwyer) > 2. Re: More names (geraldine whittington) > 3. Re: More names (Susan Twomey) > 4. Re: branch names vs place names (Teresa Barnes) > 5. Re: branch names vs place names (Judith Casey) > 6. Re: branch names vs place names (Sheila Legge) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:49:20 +0000 > From: "Riobard O' Dwyer" <[email protected]> > Subject: [BEARA] More names > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > names, I will give you the following: > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) = > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the son > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; Mike > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the son > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of Denis > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like Pawrtalawn) > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > often known in Beara in the olden days. > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert is > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > and his eldest > son is Robert).*. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 12:54:09 -0400 > From: geraldine whittington <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] More names > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Wondering if the name 'Percy' is a nickname for some > longer Christian name? > > > > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 16:49:20 +0000 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [BEARA] More names > > > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > > names, I will give you the following: > > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) > = > > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the > son > > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; > Mike > > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the > son > > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of > > Denis > > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like > > Pawrtalawn) > > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > > often known in Beara in the olden days. > > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert > is > > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > > and his eldest > > son is Robert).*. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 09:55:53 -0700 > From: Susan Twomey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] More names > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Riobard, > > This is very helpful! Thanks so much! > > Susan > > On Mar 25, 2013, at 9:49 AM, Riobard O' Dwyer wrote: > > > For those who wish to delve further into the varius kinds of Christian > > names, I will give you the following: > > For instance with the surname O'Sullivan, you have Mag Mick (O'Sullivan) > = > > Margaret the daughter of Michael (O'Sullivan); Jer Tade = Jeremiah the > son > > of Timothy; Doncha Mort = Denis the son of Mortimor; Rodgie Roger = Roger > > the son of Roger; Katty Phadraig = Catherine the daughter of Patrick; > Mike > > John Daniel = Michael the son of John the son of Daniel; Quin Mag Jack = > > Quinlan the son of Margaret the daughter of John; Seamus Thaidhg = James > > the son of Timothy; Johnny Jude Eoin = John the son of Julia the daughter > > of Eugene; Doncha Murt = Denis the son of Mortimor; Paddy Silvy = Patrick > > the son of Silvester. With the Surname O'Connell you have Tom Maggie = > > Thomas the son of Margaret. With the surname Hampston you have Jim Robin= > > James the son of Robert. With the surname Lynch you have Michael Mike = > > Michael the son of Michael. With the surname Harrington you have Pat Tim > > Paddy= Patrick the son of Timothy the son of Patrick; Vincie Jer Denny= > > Vincent the son of Jeremiah the son of Denis; Tade Philly= Timothy the > son > > of Philip. With Crowley you have Jeremiah Con Jer = Jeremiah the son of > > Cornelius the son of Jeremiah; Richard Pats Curly= Richard the son of > > Patrick the son of Cornelius. With McCarthy you have Johanna Duneen = > > Johanna the daughter of Denis. With Lynch you have Michael Mike = Michael > > the son of Michael. Wth O'Shea you have Patsy Mike Tady = Patrick the son > > of Michael the son of Timothy; Paddy Duin Mhicil = Patrick the son of > > Denis > > the son of Michael. With Murphy you have the long Christian name of Joe > > Quin Donal Partalan = Joseph the son of Quinlan the son of Daniel the son > > of Bartholomew. Alot of the Christian names are Rodgie = Roger; Philly = > > Philip; Duin = Denis; Robin = Robert; Partalan (pronounced like > > Pawrtalawn) > > = Bartholomew; Silvy = Silvester. And that's the way by which people were > > often known in Beara in the olden days. > > * ----- Riobard. (by the way, Riobard is the Gaelic for Robert.. Robert > is > > the Christian name of my uncle, the eldest son of his family. My name is > > Robert [I am the eldest son of my family]. My eldest son is Bobbie, > > and his eldest > > son is Robert).*. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > Susan Twomey > 319 Howard Heights Rd > Eureka, CA 95503 > tel 707-444-2522 > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 10:09:51 -0700 > From: "Teresa Barnes" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Teresa, > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands of > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there and > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > Best Wishes > Terry > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations as > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. etc > etc. > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the way > to keep them all separate. > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled in > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > cousins. > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither > side > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for this > family. > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and cheese. > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, let > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > ----- Riobard. > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > > important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > families > > branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way their > > name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her life.God > be > > with youSeamus > > > > --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > > To: [email protected] > > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > > > > In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > The > > answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in Beara > > came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close > to > > Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > > Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > > originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > very > > > puzzling: > > > see page 1145 volume II > > > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > > > > > > (BALLYCROVANE) > > > > > > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > > > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > farm > > > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > > > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of > Denny > > > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > > Timothy > > > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GRMMA, > > > > > > > > > > > > Terrance O?Dwyer > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and > the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:23:05 +0000 > From: Judith Casey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > > My famliy links are with the Sullivan (Keagh) > > > On 25/03/2013 17:09, Teresa Barnes wrote: > > Teresa, > > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands > of > > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there > and > > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > > Best Wishes > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations > > as > > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. > etc > > etc. > > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the > way > > to keep them all separate. > > > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled > > in > > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > > cousins. > > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither > > side > > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for > > this > > family. > > > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and > > cheese. > > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, > > let > > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > >> important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > > families > >> branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way > their > >> name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her > life.God > > be > >> with youSeamus > >> > >> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > >> > >> In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > > The > >> answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in > Beara > >> came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close > >> to > >> Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > >> Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > >> originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > >> ----- Riobard. > >> > >> On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > >>> > >>> AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > > very > >>> puzzling: > >> > see page 1145 volume II > >>> MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > >> > > >>> (BALLYCROVANE) > >>> > >>> Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > >>> Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > > farm > >>> when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, Ballycrovane. > >>> Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of > > Denny > >>> (the Weaver) McCarthy. > >>> > >>> > >> > > >>> The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > >> Timothy > >>> Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane? > >>> > >>> > >> > > >>> > >>> GRMMA, > >>> > >> > > >>> Terrance O?Dwyer > >>> > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >>> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2013 17:36:43 -0000 > From: "Sheila Legge" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > HI Teresa > > My Sullivan branch name is (Ukirre), my Harrington branch names are > (Caupy),& Harrington (Causkey) all from Bere Island, Castletownbere and > around. > > Sheila > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Teresa Barnes" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 5:09 PM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > > Teresa, > > Just out of curiosity which Sullivan branch are you from. The Hollands > of > > Kilmackowen went to O'Neil Nebraska. One brother Michael stayed there > and > > the other went on to Colorado. The Hollands I refer to were the sons of > > Mary Sullivan (Suonish) Holland. As family seemed to follow other > > relations, thought it might be worth a shot. > > Is anyone out there on the Beara list part of the Suonish clan? > > Best Wishes > > Terry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2013 1:12 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [BEARA] branch names vs place names > > > > All this talk about branch names brings to mind my parents conversations > > as > > I grew up. There was Jim's John and Patsy Tim's John and John Red's > > John----Jim's Tim, John Red's Tim, Patsy Tim's Tim and Eugene's Tim. > etc > > etc. > > Since everyone used the same first names for their kids, this was the > way > > to keep them all separate. > > > > Several years ago I realized that John Red had a brother Paul that came > > from Ireland and John Red settled here close to Lincoln and Paul settled > > in > > O'Neill. I followed Paul's children and then I contacted some of Paul's > > descendants in Omaha and asked if they would like to meet their local > > cousins. > > They pulled up in my driveway and I was then sure that they were John > > Red's kin because they all had bright red hair. Unfortunately neither > > side > > seemed to want to keep in contact and so I gave up on the research for > > this > > family. > > > > Teresa Sullivan Lincoln Ne > > > > > > In a message dated 3/24/2013 12:17:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > > > Seamus, place names and branch names are as different as chalk and > > cheese. > > Place names would cover the various townlands, or local areas in which > > people live. Branch names for instance show the various ways in which, > > let > > us say, take Sullivans/O'Sullivans are differentiated from one another > > ----- like Sullivan(Suonish), Sullivan(Rochtirre), Sullivan(Master), > > Sullivan(Tailor), Sullivan(Dorohy), Sullivan(Rider), etc., etc., etc. > > ----- Riobard. > > > > On 24 March 2013 16:27, seamus O'More <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Riobard my friend,Place names vs branch names are they the same? How > >> important are they to remember and keep. I put my Mom's O'Sullivan > > families > >> branch name on her death cert. It was hard to find and in this way > their > >> name would be remembered as long as someone was researching her > life.God > > be > >> with youSeamus > >> > >> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> From: Riobard O' Dwyer <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [BEARA] new McCarthy Beara query > >> To: [email protected] > >> Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 5:19 AM > >> > >> In answer to Terrance's question: "Is Timothy a McCarthy from Rohane ?" > > The > >> answer is "No". Tradition has it that this section of McCarthys in > Beara > >> came originally from the district of Carrigrohane, which is very close > >> to > >> Cork City. The surname McCarthy in Gaelic, Mac Carthaigh, means son of > >> Carthach {Mac in Gaelic means SON]. Carthach, from whom the name > >> originated, was King of Cashel [Co. Tipperary] around 1040 A.D. > >> ----- Riobard. > >> > >> On 23 March 2013 01:25, terrance <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > AoB volume 2 chronicles the various McCarthy lines. One citation is > > very > >> > puzzling: > >> > see page 1145 volume II > >> > MCCARTHY (WEAVER) > >> > > >> > (BALLYCROVANE) > >> > > >> > Back in the 1840?s there were two brothers: Denis Rohane and Timothy > >> > Rohane. Denis went ?cliamhain isteach? to a small part of the Hanley > > farm > >> > when he married Mary Hanley, daughter of Timothy Hanley, > Ballycrovane. > >> > Timothy Rohane married Catherine O?Sullivan. They were parents of > > Denny > >> > (the Weaver) McCarthy. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The query is: how did the McCarthy name arise from the marriage of > >> Timothy > >> > Rohane and Catherine O?Sullivan.... is Timothy a McCarthy from > Rohane? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > GRMMA, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Terrance O?Dwyer > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > -- > > *Riobard (O'Dwyer)* > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and > > the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BEARA list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BEARA mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BEARA Digest, Vol 8, Issue 89 > ************************************ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message -- *Riobard (O'Dwyer)*